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06 Jan 2006

Va. Tech Dismisses Marcus Vick

Well, after "accidentally" stomping on Elvis Dumervil during the Gator Bowl, and several off-field incidents, New Mexico is done at Virginia Tech. (free registration/bugmenot required)

Posted by: P. Ryan Wilson on 06 Jan 2006

52 comments, Last at 10 Jan 2006, 2:56am by Racer X

Comments

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by BillWallace (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 8:51pm

His future looks promising

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by JonL (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 8:57pm

I hear The U needs a quarterback.

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by DNL (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 8:59pm

So, he's what -- a day two draft pick?

That 4th round pick the Jets are getting for Herm now looks a whole lot better. Expensive, though, with all the times they'll be payin' VickJr's bail.

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by Richie (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:28pm

He needs to meet Maurice Clarett.

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by Nate (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:33pm

But at least he's herpes-free.
We think.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:42pm

Maybe he and Ryan Leaf can get an apartment together and solve crimes in their spare time.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:43pm

Damn, why didn't think of it earlier? Ladies and gentleman, meet the starting QB for your Baltimore Ravens.

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by karl (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:46pm

if only the ravens were so lucky.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 9:57pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, the quarterback of YOUR Georgia Southern Eagles....Markus Vick!

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:00pm

I was thinking that either the Vikings or Raiders would get him.

Another possibility is Atlanta drafting him. Mike Vick tells the staff that he wants his bro, that they'll start revolutionizing the way the game is played, etc. They turn it into a weird spread offense with halfback option passes galore.

Okay, maybe that part wouldn't happen.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:02pm

Also, I want to add that this was about right in terms of punishment. This sort of action can't be tolerated in the NCAA, and New Mexico was a series of bad behaviors after bad behaviors.

Oooh...there's an idea. Bill Parcells loves dealing with these kinds of people, doesn't he?

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by RH (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:16pm

Look for him to be a 3rd round pick, possibly falling into the 4th or climbing into the late 2nd with a great combine.

My money is on DA RAIDAHZ to draft him in the 3rd.

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by Ruben (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:25pm

Didn't the Raiders pick up that Walters kid out of Arizona State just a year ago in the 3rd Round? Highly unlikely they'd take another one...

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by peachy (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:31pm

And once again the question is - how did a nice program like VaTech end up with him? Has Miami's recruiting prowess really slipped that far, to miss out on both Clarett and Vick? No wonder they fired a bunch of coaches - just disgraceful.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 10:45pm

"Another possibility is Atlanta drafting him. Mike Vick tells the staff that he wants his bro, that they’ll start revolutionizing the way the game is played, etc. They turn it into a weird spread offense with halfback option passes galore."

we NEED this to happen. surriously.

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by Richard (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 11:06pm

re: #10

I'm confused. Is hallback option pass the new lingo for bong hits?

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by Vash (not verified) :: Fri, 01/06/2006 - 11:50pm

Maurice Clarett Bonus! *thumbs-up*

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by JonL (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 12:23am

how did a nice program like VaTech end up with him?

Marcus Vick is from Virginia.

Also, I hear his cousin went there or something.

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by peachy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 1:06am

Yeah, but in the old days the U had pull, baby - it didn't matter where you were from, or if some relative went someplace else (Matthew, Mark, Mario, Martin - I can never remember that other dude's name) - if you had Marcus Vick potential, it was Coral Gables all the way. Alas... those days are gone forever. (sniffle)

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 1:47am

I dunno, this is kinda big for just stomping on a prone opponent. I mean, if you do that in college basketball, they give you a token spot on the Dream Team!

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by dlm (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:17am

The guy should go directly to Oakland.

Do NOT pass Go, Do NOT collect $200....

Just stomp 'em, baby.

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by wr (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:24am

Trogdor - It was more than
that. He was also arrested for driving with a suspended license, and drunk driving(?).
Also, he was suspended the entire 2004 season for legal problems, and had been warned that any further violation would result in his expulsion.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:25am

#20-

In addition, he was busted for speeding and driving w/a suspended license. While I don't think even the two of those combined would be enough, combine it with his past transgressions and VT had to dump the guy.

He's talented, but a complete punk and headcase. I wonder who will take him, if anyone. He's talented, but I think he's too short to be a QB. I've met him, and there's no way he's 6 feet tall- they're being generous. One thing he has going for him is that he actually tried to be a good pocket passer, unlike his brother.

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by Al (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:26am

Honestly, at best, Vick is a mid to late 3rd round pick.

He's got talent, yes, but he doesn't have much beyond that. He has less of a clue how to manage the clock than Herm Edwards.

He has a difficult time reading more exotic defensive schemes (which are really mild in college compared to the NFL) -- see the Miami and FSU games.

In reality, I don't see Marcus Vick ever taking a snap as a starting QB in the NFL (or even a backup). As a QB, I think his closest comparison is Michael Bishop.

I wouldn't be surprised, however, if he was drafted as a receiver (ala Eric Crouch). He played that position with some regularity a couple years back when Randall was starting at QB. He had quite a bit of success (good hands, and we all know he has great speed). He has average size at 6'0 216 lbs.... but his muscle size can be worked on at the NFL level.

With his athletic ability, I think he could be a very good slot receiver, or a Kevin Faulk style half back.

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by charles (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:50am

Oh wait, you didn't know miami doesn't play black quarterbacks.... yeah i said it now prove me wrong

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by kleph (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 3:14am

From the Associated Press:

The Virginian-Pilot of Norfolk reported on its Web site on Friday night that Vick would turn pro.

"It's not a big deal," Vick was quoted as telling the newspaper. "I'll just move on to the next level, baby."

(click my name for the link)

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by peachy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 4:17am

20 - And might I add that basketball players generally don't wear metal spikes on the court...

25 - Do you seriously think a little thing like race will get in the way at the U? Can he rap? Can toke up? Can he stomp? Then the man can play! And yes, it is rather sad that after all the work that Miami has put into rehabbing its image, people like me still gleefully take cheap shots at it. But, to be fair, I'm a Florida fan, so taking cheap shots at Miami is my birthright, literally - I was born at the University hospital. (Also cheap shots at FSU and UT; UGA too, I guess, but that's just insult to injury these days.)

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by mathesond (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 4:29am

Isn't Florida that cow college at the other end of the state?

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by Slippery Pete (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 4:39am

#27:

Even non-Florida fans should keep taking shots at Miami. Seriously, Miami goes through all of this work to rehabilitate its image, and then it enrolls Willie Williams. Must be because he's a soldier, and all he cares about is the "U".

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by peachy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 5:11am

28 - No, no - it's the girl's school that's at the other end of the state. We're more in the middle... (and UF's really not a "cow college", I'm afraid - my father's degree in agricultural economics to the contrary. Ahem.)

29 - Wasn't Shockey a soldier too? He's said so many stupid things as a pro I sometimes forget his choicest quotes from college.

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by A. Diggity Dawg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 5:42am

I literally spit my Coke out at "New Mexico". Man, do Ron Mexico jokes ever get old? I want him and Bro Sweets to do a buddy cop movie.

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by Björn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 1:20pm

"I think his closest comparison is Michael Bishop."

The same Michael Bishop who can't find a starting job in the CFL? The guy has an arm like that kid in "Rookie of the Year".

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by Ruben (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:03pm

I think Vick The Lesser should be the new recipient of TMQ's "Most Likely to be fielding punts for the Edmonton Eskimos" award...and here I thought Clarett would inherit it from longtime recipient Akili Smith...

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by Ruben (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:11pm

"Everybody does it in the NFL and college football," Boddie said. "He just got caught doing it, and since he's been in trouble in the past everything just got blown all out of proportion."

Way to go, Mommy Vick, in NOT chastising your young adult son; way to pass the buck of responsibility, parental role model!

Yeah, she throws the bone about "Nobody's perfect, he just did the wrong thing" but seriously, she should be alternating smacking him upside the head and telling the media that he's a friggin' dolt for potentially seriously injuring another player for no reason at all.

I hope whichever GM decides to prematurely end his career by drafting Reggie Bush in the top 5 will seal the deal by trading up to take Vick the Lesser in the low first or early 2nd round...and then try to make this Mighty Mouse a QB. What's the Houston area code?

(Note: Little Vick wasn't even going to play QB at VT at all until his year after redshirting, because he just didn't have the arm strength; he'd probably be a good Stokley-like slot man for getting underneath...)

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by Lance S. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:21pm

#22 & #23

Wait, there's more:

"Feb. 17, 2004: Arrested without incident and charged with four misdemeanors -- three for allegedly allowing underage girls to have alcohol and one for allegedly having sex with a 15-year-old at a January party. Released on $2,500 bond.

May 14, 2004: Convicted of three counts of contributing to the delinquency of a minor and sentenced to 30 days in jail and fined $2,250. Found not guilty of having sex with the 15-year-old.

Sept. 13, 2004: In plea deal, pleads no contest to one misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor. Receives 30-day suspended jail sentence, is fined $100, ordered to perform 24 hours of community service and stay away from the teenage girls."

That's quite an impressive rap sheet. In light of his entire "body of work" I think his dismissal is entirely justified.

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by Purds (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:31pm

GUTLESS, GUTLESS, GUTLESS!

Why isn't anyone giving Va Tech grief about the timing here? Clearly, they knew December 17th that he'd gotten the two other driving charges, and they say: "The university provided one last opportunity for Vick to become a citizen of the university and readmitted him in January 2005, with the proviso that any future problems would result in automatic dismissal from the team."

Yes, they still kept him in there for the Bowl game. Boy, that's integrity right there.

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by wrmjr (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 2:43pm

If Vick is open to playing WR, maybe Millen will make him a first round selection. Then he could be the emergency 3rd qb too.

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by kleph (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 3:14pm

while i agree the statement in and of itself is wrong, i really have a hard time chastising the kid's mother for sticking up for him. it remains to be seen if this is vick's personal view or not.

seeing this whole train wreck i have to say the best thing vick could do is transfer to a smaller program with a known track record of producing quality players, keep his mouth shut and out of trouble for a year while quietly racking up a ton of wins and gaudy stats.

then, after going number one or number two in the 2007 draft and getting his driver's license back then he can pay for a bugatti veyron in cash and proceed to do some serious high livin.

but, if these stories are correct, he has allen iverson giving him life advice i kind of doubt we are looking at an upward career arc for the guy.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 5:38pm

you think tearing up I-AA is enough to get new mexico #1 or #2 in the draft? no way. late first round, maybe.

one big knock on him is supposedly that, like all the other Mexicos (most notably Mikey) he's dumb as a box of rocks and cannot read complicated defenses. I-AA sure ain't going to convince anybody about that, nor his character issues.

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by Thok (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 6:11pm

3rd or 4th round pick to Atlanta seems like the best solution to me-older Vick should be able to convince younger Vick to get on the field as a WR to help shore up Atlanta's weak receiver corps and have the flying Mexico brothers be the rage of the league.

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by JCD (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 6:25pm

This from the si.com article:

The last straw came Friday, even as Beamer was preparing to visit Vick and offer him the options of accepting a two-game suspension or deciding to leave Virginia Tech.

A fax sent to Steger's office disclosed that Vick had been stopped for driving 38 mph in a 25 mph zone and driving with a revoked or suspended license on Dec. 17. Vick had told Beamer about the ticket for driving on a suspended license on Dec. 19, Beamer said, but had never mentioned to anyone that he'd also been caught speeding.

So I guess the last straw was driving 38 mph in a 25 mph zone.

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by overrated (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 6:30pm

#35-
You are missing the point totally- at least he didn't give herpes to the underaged girl, he's a regular prince charming!

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by overrated (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 6:35pm

#40-
Weak reciever core for Atlanta? That sounds like an excuse for Vick's performance. Matt Schuabb has no problem tearing up the scoreboard when Vick is crying on the sidelines with his injury of the minute.
Plenty of teams would take his recievers and running backs and tight end combination and keep Price as well, not make him a scapegoat!

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by overrated (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 6:43pm

The Jaworski article on the main football outsider page backs up my previous comment about Vick's wideouts being good enough to get the job done. I saw one Atlanta fan questioning Vick's heart, well duh! I mean, how tough is Vick!

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by Thok (not verified) :: Sat, 01/07/2006 - 7:49pm

Re 43

I think Vick is at best a mediocre quarterback. I also think that he has bad wide receivers.

As for Matt Schaub, well, I also think that New England has a horrible secondary.

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by emcee fleshy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 12:43am

The ATL WR's are getting better. 1-Finneran (37th in DVOA), 2-Jenkins(46th) and 3-Roddy White(76th) are considerably better than 1-Price(78th in 2004), 2-Dez White(73d), and 3- Finneran(N/A). Also, young Jenkins and RWhite came along quite nicely over the course of the year.

I still don't see what's up with the 7-hating. Listening to y'all, you'd think his real name was Kordell Leaf.

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by Ruben (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:59am

#46:

Well, in terms of value-versus-money-and-#1-pick, he might as well be.

Considering Brees was top of the second round, Palmer's absolute domination this year, and Leftwich whooping it up as the #7 overall (not to mention the complete lack of marketing for these QBs lightyears better than Vick), the bashing of the TRUE Rusher McFumbles is warranted.

Until he's earned that massive signing bonus and all the hype, he will be accosted by the thinking fans, who don't just lap up whatever the league throws them.

But remember: HE CAN MAKE PLAYS WITH HIS LEGS!!LET MIKE B MIKE LOLOL!!1111oneoneone

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by hate 7 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 3:20pm

to immense flesh,
I am from Virginia and I assure you that the 7-hating is because both Vicks are overrated punks with no class or morals at all who would be criminals if not for their gift wrapped NFL opportunities. And before you accuse me of something like racism or bias or whatever, I think there are plenty of scramble around QBS like McNabb who are decent role models and decent pocket passers when they need to be. TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN, MUCH IS EXPECTED!!!! That include the Vick brothers in crime.

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by duh! (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 3:27pm

It makes no sense to say that Atlanta's wide recievers are 'coming around' based on DVOA or any statistics. They first need a pocket passer or at least a passer to get them the ball or they will always have low stats. Does anyone really think they would have less catches if Matt Shuabb threw them passes downfield since he can't just scramble until he gets 'nicked up' and then leave the game.

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by emcee fleshy (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:50pm

I just think its odd how worked up y'all get about this guy you don't know, who plays for a franchise that practically nobody cares about otherwise. Unquestionably, there are rational and valid critiques about Mike Vick. But none of them have appeared in this thread. Y'all just appear to just enjoy hollering about something. I suppose Mr. West was right - there'll always be haters that’s the way it is /
haters marry hater b*tches and have hater kids.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:58pm

"both Vicks are overrated punks with no class or morals at all who would be criminals if not for their gift wrapped NFL opportunities"

I fear you rather miss the point, Mr 7. While I'm sure that it is the case that in nearby possible worlds where neither Vick is a current or pending NFL player (assuming a fairly standard sort of view of both modality and identity) both are criminals, I would find it both more salient and briefer to note simply that in the actual world both Vicks really are criminals.

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by Racer X (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2006 - 2:56am

re: #50

I think Vick draws such reactions because of the way he's marketed. Simply put, the manner in which announcers gush over him is an insult to the intelligence of everyone here.

Also, he attracts some of the most obnoxious internet fanboys this side of Dragonball Z.