Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

26 Apr 2007

Archive: Hot Button with Jack McCallum

On the eve of the draft, we at Football Outsiders pass on the sage wisdom of SI writer Jack McCallum as written following the 2000 draft. Please, don't take his words to heart, number-crunching geeks.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 26 Apr 2007

36 comments, Last at 27 Apr 2007, 9:55pm by Duff Soviet Union

Comments

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by Mac (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 3:27am

I've got a couple choice words for McCallum, but I don't know what the profanity restrictions are here. I just enjoy watching players join their future teams. I enjoy learning about who performed great without spotlight, and who hid mediocrity with a few great snaps. I like the crappy hats and expensive suits. I just like the draft...even if I do sometimes mute the TV until picks are announced.

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by Ch V Kalyan (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 7:42am

I was going thru 1998 Draft archive and this was the Peter King special:
I think Manning is 3 percent better than Leaf and will be, long term, a better pro.
Not 5% or 10% but 3% ... this is the reason for all the love, Mr. King.,

By the way, we all know who Ryan Leaf is, don't we?

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by Jason Mulgrew aka The Mul Dawg aka Lord J Rocka (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 7:58am

Manning was about 67% better.

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by Kami (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 8:16am

No way. At least 68%.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 10:17am

Peter King is a draft expert... after all, he works for SI.

So who does Petey like this year? I'm a little bit confused. First it was Jemarcus Russel, then he wouldn't be suprised if Calvin Johnson was the top pick, and then it was " you heard it here first, don't be suprised if Brady goes #1".

Oh a lighter note, did anybody hear the Raiders tried to give Quinn a low ball offer to be the top pick? They figure they can give Russell the money, or low ball quinn and get him for cheaper.... Then the question is which is more money... The lowball #1 offer, or the average 2,3,4 etc. money? Maybe the Raiders think Quinn wants to be the top pick so bad that they would be in a win/win situation ( short term) if he agrees to that low balled offer ( or doesn't).

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 10:22am

Well. That was the point I had earlier.
How good of a scout / coach / analist are you when you can't recognise the talent of guys like Warner, Brady, Colston, etc etc.

I hope you at FO can make more things like the QB projection system.
Free us from the 'intangibles', 'poise', 'vision', 'range', 'upper body strength' and other empty cliches.

A monkey throwing darts at a draftboard would do as good at predicting stars and busts.

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by OMO (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 10:48am

Chris, if you are going to act/post like Florio and steal his material, you could at least give him the decency of referencing his story when you post it like you've "scooped" something.

On another note...are you going to post with this much quantity once the season starts?

Not trying to start something...just asking an honest question.

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by Adam H. (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 11:14am

Speaking of PFT...HOLY CRAP!

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by Chris (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 11:18am

Hahaha you usually go out and insult me or my posts, but then you say " not that I'm trying to start anything".

No, I probably won't even post once the season starts.

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by Theo, Holland (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 11:57am

7. OMO.
Just send the guy an email if you want to talk to him about very personal things.
(like, how much you love him)

Offtopic and ontopic: good.
opinions about a poster: bad.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 12:00pm

#8

Not a good week for Senor Mexico.

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by mmm... sacrilicious (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 12:02pm

#6: I think this article is a great example of using case studies of outliers to prove a point. Yes, Warner, Brady, and Colston are great, but NOBODY saw it coming. Teams can't build a strategy around finding the next diamond in the rough, because most likely it won't happen. Odds are simply much greater of hitting on a high pick.

The best way of putting it, I think, is something I read (don't remember where) in the last few days... If the Colts had sucked slightly less in 1997 and the Chargers had sucked slightly more, Manning would be shining in SD and Leaf would be an all-time Colt bust. No matter how good you are at talent evaluation, most of the process is chance.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 12:14pm

#8,#11, if these reports are true, the contest for "Biggest NFL Idiot" is officially over. How would you like to be Arthur Blank this morning, reflecting on the amount of money you've given this imbecile?

Always remember; the power of evil is insignificant compared to the power of stupidity.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 12:26pm

I'd love to see Vick fishing. He probably grabs New Mexicos gun and starts shooting at the water, hoping that some fish rise belly up.

Neglected animals in his house? Feeding the animals is like practice... we're talking about practice here... not games... practice.

Do you think the guy who neglects his animals pays close attention to detail to that shiny playbook his coaches gave him? Do you think he has a good work ethic or now he just shows up to games and tries to "make plays".

Oh, but he means so much to his team... he gives his team a chance to win... he's still young... he will be the best quarterback ever... give him some receivers...

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 12:46pm

Joey Harrington may get another shot at resurrecting his career sooner than I thought. Petrino cannot be entrusting his NFL coaching career to this cretin Vick. If the Raiders take Russell, I wonder what the Falons would have to give up to get the Lions' pick, in order to draft Johnson. They have those #2 picks from the Texans, of course. What else would Millen ask for?

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by Fake Name (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 1:03pm

RE: I'd love to send e-mail to Chris personally, but I don't know his e-mail address.

BTW, Chris, any spam you may get after posting your e-mail address has nothing to do with me.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 1:13pm

I was going to say the Falcons might be sorry they gave up Schaub, but the truth is you could argue that there's no reason to think that Schaub is actually better than Harrington, and considering the ransom they got for him they're probably better off this way.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 1:31pm

Yeah, depending on how the Falcons parlay what they received from the Texans, I'd say they are better positioned now to deal with the reality that Vick is an utter numbskull than they were before.

I wonder if there is anything Rich Mckay would do to package their #8 pick, the haul from Texas, along with some other items of value, and get the Raiders' pick to draft Russell, and also get Randy Moss? I wouldn't do it myself; I really generally dislike the notion of trading up to get in the top five, and I think Moss is very unlikley to regain anything close to his past form, but I wonder if McKay would get stupidly aggressive. It sure would be a blessing for the Raiders, assuming they didn't draft stupidly.

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by BigManChili (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 2:00pm

I think everyone is forgetting the fact that "Senor Mexico" doesn't even live in that house. It's in Virginia, and his nephew lives there. Vick currently has his primary residence in Atlanta.

Link goes to the AJC article. (Login with BugMeNot)

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by Chris (not verified) :: Thu, 04/26/2007 - 2:36pm

Omo... errr Fake Name.... you seem like that kind of a guy.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 4:07am

If these allegations about Vick are true, and it seems as if they are, Vick needs to be suspended from the NFL. Fighting dogs is sick. If you've ever seen how those dogs are treated you know why its illegal. The dogs aren't starving because Vick 'forgot' to feed them. He deliberately starves them to make them mean and desperate so they'll fight to the death. They are kept in cages or on chains so short they can barely breathe. That sort of cruelty to animals is just below the level of murder, rape and pedophile. I hope he goes to prison for a long time.

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by Truman (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 6:22am

Yeah, I only wish the Falcons could have traded Vick given his rap sheet of.....of......oh he's never been convicted of a crime? The only thing he's been charged with is fishing in a restricted area?
Yeah, that compares to Jake Plummer's and McNair's DUI, Brady's steroid allegations, Peyton's sexual harrassment suit and Roethlisberger's helmet citation (woah, that one actually is the same)

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by SJM (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 9:36am

Re: 20

Just to be clear, no one is accusing Vick of mistreating dogs or fighting them. There is suspicion that those things might have happened on property that he owns but does not live on, committed by another person (his cousin?), possibly even without his knowledge.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 10:01am

Of course it's not his fault.... It's his receivers fault, his offensive lines fault, and his head coaches fault.

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by jim johnson (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 11:53am

Q uinn will be the better QB. Russel will be another Vick, but maybe without the dogs.

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by jim johnson (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 11:57am

#22 oh come on. You can't do stuff like that and no know about it. Vick is a classless jerk and should be suspended for stupidity.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 1:29pm

Truman, one doesn't have to be charged with a crime to be an utter and complete dunce. Allowing your property to be used for a dog-fighting operation, after getting heat for flipping off fans, and having a "bottle incident" at airport security, qualifies as being stupid beyond belief, so stupid that it calls into question whether one has the mental capacity to play the position.

Now, he certainly should be afforded the presumption of inocence, in regards to criminal matters, and it is possible that the person Vick was allowing to use the property was an extraordinarily good con man, and Vick was just innocently taken advantage of. If, however, credit card billing statements or cell phone records establish that Vick has been on the property while dozens of pit bulls are chained up in outbuildings, Vick is either a criminal, or the dumbest bastard on the planet.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 1:54pm

re:22

There were more than 60 dogs. If he doesnt know about it, I'll eat my hat.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 3:04pm

26- Criminal or the dumbest bastard on the planet... can he be both?

If you run a drug ring through your house (and your not there) you still get in trouble. Vick doesn't get a pass because he didn't live there.

Somebody borrowed Jamal Lewis's cell phone for drug deals and he had to spend a summer in jail...

If an illegal dog fighting ring is being run at one of Vicks houses, he's in trouble.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 3:05pm

I only heard today that there were more than 60 dogs. That being the case, I agree that it's highly unlikely that he didn't know about it.

Still, even in that case he's only an accessory to a crime, not a criminal.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 4:26pm

SJM, there are tons of people living in small rooms and eating lousy food for being accessories, and yes, they are considered criminals. His only possible out here is if he hasn't been on the property for a long time, prior to canine gladiator school starting. Like I said, he better hope he's never used his cell phone while visiting his pooches.

What a complete and utter moron. You literally couldn't get any more dumb if you tried; I wonder how this numbskull feeds himself.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 4:42pm

What about that myspace pic of him smoking a joint with some trick...

Falcons management: Errrr I know mike... that you like to smoke and all.... I know that you like the camera and all.... but you just can't be doing that.

I just wonder what he will say? I was laughing my head off when New Mexico was trying to defend himself for pulling a guy on some highschool kids at a Mcdonalds parking lot... " It was a big misunderstanding... it was my cellphone".

Sounds like an honest mistake to me. It happens all the time. People get into arguments at the fast food joint and pull out their cell phones in anger and point them at people.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 6:17pm

Will,

I suspect that Mike will cop a plea deal in exchange for testifying against his cousin or whoever, and never see the inside of a cell. If he was smart, that is, which we all know is highly suspect.

Chris,

Pop quiz: What other QB's do you hate besides Vick and Leftwich?

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 7:22pm

The politics of something like this can get a little funny, SJM. A large percentage of the general public hates animal abusers more than they do people abusers. If they have Vick absolutely dead to rights, without need of eyewitness testimony (witnesses that Vick can pay off for silence), that he has been on the property when doggy fight club was in operation, then a prosecutor may try to make his bones by making things very hard for Michael the Meathead. Things like cell phone records, credit card billing records showing nearby purchases, or delivey records might well establish that Vick was fully informed of what was happening, and if that is the case, that the prosecuter doesn't need any cooperative witnesses, things can get pretty bad.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 8:55pm

SJM- I don't hate Byron Leftwhich, I just don't think he's a very good quarterback. Big difference.

I don't like Mike Pick as a person though.

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by Duff Soviet Union (not verified) :: Fri, 04/27/2007 - 9:55pm

If he doesn't get suspended for a long time, Pacman Jones' lawyer is going to have a field day.