Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

06 Apr 2007

David Carr Agrees to Terms With Panthers

The Charlotte Observer reports that former Texans QB David Carr has agreed to a two-year deal with the Carolina Panthers. Carr had recently visited Seattle, but the scuttlebutt seems to be that he has a better chance of getting playing time behind Jake Delhomme than Matt Hasselbeck. The article says that the Panthers "obviously don't view Carr as the typical backup". Whether or not Delhomme's job would be in jeopardy if he struggles, Carr's certainly a better backup option than Chris Weinke. Carolina now has the first two players selected in the 2002 NFL Draft - one spot after the Texans made Carr the #1 overall pick and the first in the franchise's history, the Panthers selected DE Julius Peppers. The third overall pick in the '02 draft, Joey Harrington, also visited Carolina, according to the linked article.

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 06 Apr 2007

54 comments, Last at 18 Apr 2011, 11:57pm by christian louboutins

Comments

1
by Ron Mexico Is A Cylon (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 3:41am

...any Panthers news this offseason is *good* Panthers news...

discounting the Morgan return, that is, of course.;)

2
by W Nelson (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 4:19am

I am sad. This will not help Brent Basanez's chances of playing any time soon.

3
by Kyle W (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 7:46am

Cool, now they just need to sign Joey Harrington, Mike Williams, Quentin Jammer, Ryan Sims, Bryant McKinnie, Roy Williams, John Henderson, Levi Jones, Dwight Freeney, Wendell Bryant, Donte Stallworth, Jeremy Shockey, Albert Haynesworth, William Green, Phillip Buchanon, T.J. Duckett, Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, Daniel Graham, Bryan Thomas, Napolean Harris, Ed Reed, Charles Grant, Lito Sheppard, Mike Rumph, Jerramy Stevens, Marc Colombo, Kendall Simmons, Robert Thomas and Patrick Ramsey and they will have . . . .

Actually I have no idea what you would have if you signed this lot.

4
by sam_acw (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 7:53am

Look at the rest of the QBs from the class of 2002. They all suck too - you could actually argue that Carr was the best QB in the draft!

5
by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 9:06am

Weinke was looked terrible last year in the Giants game.

Oh, and this article was biased against the Patriots because it didn't mention them.

6
by Charles Jake (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 9:10am

Terry Bradshaw and I will not rest until Tim Rattay has a job.

7
by Zac (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 9:27am

Jesus Christ, Chris, if you don't want a Patriots bias, then DON'T TALK ABOUT THEM! If this turns into a Patriots thread, I'm totally blaming you.

8
by Patriots Homer (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 9:36am

I can't believe the Pats didn't look at Carr to be Tom Brady's backup.

9
by mmm... sacrilicious (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 10:10am

This sounds exactly like when the Giants signed Kerry Collins to a 4 year, $19 million contract in 1999, then said that Kent Graham was still their starter. Riiiiiiight...

10
by Spike (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 10:16am

The Pats would never pick up someone like Carr--the Texans' ichor might rub off on the other players like green turf dandruff sticks to white shoes.

11
by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:21am

#7 It was a joke. You see, there is no reason to talk about the Pats when David Carr ( formerly of the Texans) is picked up by the Carolina Panthers). ERRRR, I don't know how much more sarcastic I could have made my comment.

12
by Joe T. (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:30am

So how 'bout that Tom Brady?

13
by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:33am

I'd be willin to put money down that Carr is the starter before the end of the year.

14
by Joe T. (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:33am

The issue now is how to corrupt Carr's name into some sort of sexual slur. Carolina last year had Delhommo and Wanker. Any ideas?

15
by passerby (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:44am

The Panthers get Carr so that they can trade for Brady straight up. The guy haven't won anything in a while.
If that deal doesn't work, they can trade Carr for Manning straight up. The guy haven't won anything since Feb.

16
by GBS (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 11:57am

I'll be interested to see the contract terms. I've got to believe he could have made more money and had a better chance to start elsewhere unles he was told (and paid like) Delhomme was on thin ice.

Why do we have an Olympic swimmer as an anti-spam word?

17
by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 12:11pm

3, 4, Extra Points post: The 2002 draft really sucked didn't it? Of the top 5, the only two that should be starting on a team are Julius Peppers and Quentin Jammer, and Quentin is a human pass interference flag as the #1 CB.

5: Weinke has a decent shot at being the worst QB in the last 10 years to start multiple NFL games. He was so bad the Panthers actually took him off the field at one point to direct snap to DeAngelo Williams.

16: Gil Thorpe, the cartoon character.

18
by MJK (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 12:29pm

Re 17,

Yeah, that was my thought, too... Bad year...

19
by Sisyphus (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 12:44pm

You have to wonder what Carr would be like behind an offensive line. If Delhomme struggles, and he likely will, Carr could be a very nice alternative. Confidence though is the question mark, does Carr have much left?

I have to believe that Oakland was offering more but Carr certainly didn't need any more time behind a suspect line. Certainly this was the better career move even if he isn't starting.

20
by Rob (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 12:53pm

19:
Yeah but is Carolina's line that great? I haven't watched them in long enough to know, but it was my understanding that the line was part of Delhomme's struggles. Anyone know?

21
by mmm... sacrilicious (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 12:59pm

#17, 18: Too bad that was the year that the Lions had the #3 overall pick...

22
by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 1:04pm

Delholme's struggle is that he is awful at making his progressions. If you can cover steve smith, you can pretty much leave everyone else open, and he'll still throw at Smith.

Carr will be a huge upgrade, IMO.

23
by The Other Vlad (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 1:13pm

14:

Carr-pet muncher? Or is that too much of a reach?

24
by Sergio (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 1:25pm

re: 20

Surely it's much+ better than the Oakland OL. I mean, even Miami's OL was much better... and that's saying something.

25
by Joe T. (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 1:49pm

#23 - Better than I could come up with. He was munching alot of carpet in Houston, so it might work...

26
by EcstacyPants (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 1:50pm

Re: 14
How about David 'Hot' Carrl. Somewhat reminiscent of how his O-line treated him.

27
by morganja (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 2:13pm

Delhomme is a good quarterback. His problems last year were due to his Center and LT being injured for the year in the very first game and the absolute complete lack of a running game. I think part of the perception that he locks onto his primary receiver too much came from Dan "Feed The Stud" Henning who believed that every play should be designed to go the same guy. He's no longer the OC and I think that will help a lot.
Delhomme's performance last year actually reinforced my belief that he is a top 10 QB. With no line and no running game he put up decent to good numbers and finished middle of the pack. Most QB put in that situation would have been in the bottom of the league and thrown a lot more interceptions than Touchdowns.

28
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 2:28pm

As a Panthers fan, I fell in love with Delhomme during our Superbowl season. He had something like a 97 QB rating when the team was losing, he was always bringing us back. He's shown himself to be an average QB most of the time, but he does make a lot of mistakes, so I think it's quite possible Carr seizes the job, particularly next season (after he's learned the playbook and what not). I'm very conflicted over this pickup... seems like a good backup, but I don't want it to undermine the team if Delhomme starts playing somewhat poorly.

29
by Phil (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 2:59pm

This web site has such a Carolina Panthers-bias.

30
by Ch V Kalyan (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 4:04pm

so lemme see ...

Plummer wanted to play for Texans and would have been available for a 5/6 rounder. Texans cringe, broncos call their bluff and trade plummer to the Bucs

Texans then go and acquire falcon backup for a price equivalent to a mid-first round pick (2 second round picks, swap of first round pick) and release David Carr without trading him for even a 6th/7th pick

do you see a team like Indy/Philly/Steeler do it?NFL is not a level playing field because the front offices are not the same. Texans are poorer up there and it takes a lot to overcome them. While Charles Casserdly was a punching bag for everyone, i see the new GM being no different.

Carr - I think you have landed in a decent place. OL does exists in Carolina. Have fun.

31
by Crushinator (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 4:25pm

YES, DAVID CARR.

The road to the Super Bowl runs through Carolina this year.

32
by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 5:21pm

Morganja, the issue isnt that Delholmme locks onto a reciever, its that he makes his progressions very slowly. He wont make it to the 3rd guy ever, and if the pass rush is good, hes in trouble before he looks at the 2nd guy.

33
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 5:31pm

Rich, it's not like Carr progresses fast through his reads, either.

34
by Sifter (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 6:33pm

#30 - The speculation is that the Bucs deliberately traded for Plummer AND signed Garcia to screw up the quarterback carousel for this off-season. And they certainly have. I think blaming the Texans FO is a little harsh, they obviously didn't want Plummer THAT much if they were only offering a 5th or 6th compared to the mid-1st-equivalent suite of picks they gave up for Schaub.

Now what I'd love to see is the Bucs draft a QB. And they could probably get some good value. I mean, how many teams might draft a 1st day QB? I had Carolina as one, but I'm not so sure now given 'Hot' Carrl's potential to improve in a different team.

35
by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 8:19pm

Re: #17

Lito Sheppard is the #1 CB in that draft not Jammer.

36
by morganja (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 8:43pm

Re: 34
Fox repeatedly throughout his career has siad that he will never draft a quarterback in the first round. It takes too long, and is way too expensive, to develop a 1st round rookie into a productive player.

I see this as a long term reclamation project that might eventually lead to a younger, competent starter in two years, when Delhomme is 34 and maybe starting to decline. He is the starter this year and should remain the starter.

37
by morganja (not verified) :: Fri, 04/06/2007 - 8:53pm

Re: 32
He has trouble finding the second guy because he hasn't had time to look or decent receivers getting seperation to look at.

After watching the Patriots and the Colts this past post-season, it is remarkable how much longer they have in the pocket than Delhomme did this year. The Panthers kept in just about everyone to block on every play, the Tight End, the backs, I'm surprised they didn't keep the receivers in to block. Most often, if the defense didn't blitz, there were 7 men covering 2 or 3 potential receivers, and still no time to throw the ball. Delhomme really impressed me this past year in how he made a team that could easily have gone 3-13 into an 8-8 team. He was 7-5 as a starter and would have been 8-4 without the costly interception at the end of the Eagles game when he was playing with a cracked thumb.

And through it all, Delhomme has been a class act and an inspiration to his teammates as well as his fans. He has gotten a lot of grief from Panther fans, but don't confuse them with Steeler fans. They don't know much about football in Charlotte yet, and tend to blame a lot of things on the quarterback that aren't his fault.

38
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 12:41am

that 2002 draft was just criminally bad.

39
by Alan Milnes (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 11:33am

re 35. I think the OP was saying that Jammer is not really a good fit as your team's #1 CB, not comparing him to any other CB in that draft. Read it again and you will see what I mean.

40
by Alan Milnes (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 11:34am

re 38

Well in Philly we were pretty happy with Shepherd, Brown, Lewis and Westbrook!

Alan

41
by morganja (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 12:33pm

Carr signed with the Panthers because he is a very active Christian and the Panthers, from Jerry Richardson on down, are very active Christians and work very hard to bring other active christians into their organization. Interesting to see their pro-player and pro-active christian strategy yield tangible benefits.

42
by Tom (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 1:32pm

I see no way Carr passes up Delhomme as a starter. Unless you like 3 yard passes to the flat as your primary offense.

Also, David Garrad was probably the best QB in the 2002 draft, or maybe McCown.

43
by Joe T (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 1:40pm

#26 - Hot Carrl it is.

44
by morganja (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 5:10pm

Just finished editing out the commercials to the week one game, ATL at Car. Delhomme had absolutely no time all day. Wharton was getting tortured by Abraham even before his injury. It really didn't look as if Wharton is the answer at LT. That makes me very wary of our line next year. Gross was much better, but still gave up a lot of pressure.

45
by Pete (not verified) :: Sat, 04/07/2007 - 8:48pm

I think this is an improvement for Carr and for Carolina.
However, I wonder if Carr wouldn't receive better protection and advice (if less likely to play) with the Colts, San Diego, or the Patriots. These are great teams who have great lines and might offer more consistent coaching than Carr has received so far.

#41 - The Colts head coach is openly Christian, so that would make a good fit if he went that route. Actually, along those lines, wouldn't the Bears make a good choice (or would that be too much potential for QB controversy)?

46
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 04/08/2007 - 1:01am

The Colts aren't willing to pay any more for quarterbacks, though. Jim Sorgi has posted DVOAs of 5% and 25% in his first two years (he didn't play at all last year.) If your backup is cheap and good, and your starter is brilliant and never gets injured, you don't need another player at the same position.

47
by BruceNH (not verified) :: Sun, 04/08/2007 - 6:57am

Re: 25

I don't think you know what "carpet muncher" really means.

48
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 04/08/2007 - 1:22pm

This entire thread is biased towards the Houston Texans somehow.

49
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 04/08/2007 - 1:50pm

After watching the Atl-Car game again it is incredible what a flopper Vick is. There isn't a soccer player in the world who flops as often or dramatically as Vick. But I guess as long as the NFL keeps throwing 15 yard penalty flags for him there isn't any reason for him to stop. Does anyone have any statistics on the QB who draws the most Personal Foul penalties?

50
by Chris (not verified) :: Mon, 04/09/2007 - 12:34pm

49- He was probably high

51
by Brian (not verified) :: Mon, 04/09/2007 - 2:04pm

I'm gonna go ahead and start calling him him David "Back-Seat" Carr. A) It's vaguely sexual. B) He's now taking a backseat to Jake Delhomme. C) Regardless of his O-Line, he'll always play most of the game on his back and/or his seat.

52
by Crushinator (not verified) :: Mon, 04/09/2007 - 2:26pm

42

David Carr padding stats with lots of 3 yard passes + Steve Smith = 200 reception year for him.

You all heard it here first

53
by admin :: Mon, 04/09/2007 - 2:59pm

I'm not a big fan of where this conversation is going, so can we stay away from the homophobic double entendres? Thanks.

54
by christian louboutins (not verified) :: Mon, 04/18/2011 - 11:57pm

There are numerous forms of louboutin outlet
cheap christian louboutin or boots are usually available. To handle inside numerous competition, this kind of style of
christian louboutins or boots provides many perks. The sweetness and also ease and comfort are usually a couple of
Christian Louboutin Mesh. In addition to, as much superstars are usually thinking about this kind of brand name,
Christian Louboutin Flat or boots also get to be the signal from your trend craze.
christian
christian louboutin sale
Christian Louboutin Pumps
Christian Louboutin Boots
Christian Louboutin Evening
Christian Louboutin Red Shoes