Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

07 Dec 2007

Two Men Enter, No Men Leave

Last night's Bears-Redskins tilt figured to end the playoff hopes of one team, but instead it ended them for both, as starters Rex Grossman and Jason Campbell were knocked out with what look to be season-ending injuries that will cast a shadow beyond this season. Will the Bears bring back Rex Grossman after another wildly inconsistent year and another major injury? Will Joe Gibbs decide to retire after missing the playoffs yet again?

Posted by: Sean McCormick on 07 Dec 2007

28 comments, Last at 10 Dec 2007, 8:53pm by sundown

Comments

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by Aaron Boden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:20pm

FREE KYLE ORTON!

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by Aaron Boden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:22pm

seriously though. the Bears season is done. They might as well see if Orton can actually play quaterback. He is supposed to be light years ahead of where he was when he started as a rookie, so why not see?

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by karl (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:26pm

re 2:

the same can be said for alex smith. light years ahead of abysmal does not equate to good. or even mediocre. time to start thinking about derek anderson and donovan mcnabb.

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by Eddo (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:28pm

3: True, but there is no reason to be playing Brian Griese any more. And remember, "light years ahead" could still mean he's now a decent NFL quarterback.

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by David Mazzotta (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:41pm

Does Kyle Orton still have a family of four living in his neck beard?

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by Aaron (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 3:46pm

Do you think Eli Manning looks at Brian Griese and sees himself?

Occasionally shows ability, but then bungles it up and throws games away, yet keeps getting jobs because of his last name.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 4:28pm

Was I the only one screaming, "Field goal! Field goal!" at Lovie Smith once the Bears hit the 26-yard line with over 1:30 remaining and tearing my hair out once they were inside the red zone with a minute-plus? Not to mention going for it on 4th and 1. Less than two minutes, you're trailing, and you're surprised it takes 15 seconds to pull every player off a QB sneak pile-up?

You need to get an onside and two scores anyway, so take the kick, give your offense some extra time and stop hemming and hawing with 3-down situations and go straight to the 4-down ones. I'm not always in favor of the field goal first strategy, but given the situations the Bears were getting themselves in and the time remaining I don't see where Lovie Smith's brain was at those last two minutes.

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by Lou (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 5:15pm

7

No, No you weren't. I'm not always in favor of field goal first either, but this situation called for it.

And yeah I'd like to see if Orton is any good. He was a fourth round rookie thrust into a very tough situation. I doubt Romo would've played much better his rookie year, given the same situation. So Orton has had time to improve, lets see if he has.

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by Costa (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 5:27pm

History is not kind for QBs that started off as badly as Orton did. I don't expect there's anything to look forward to there.

I can still understand the "What have you got to lose" thinking, but in the end, the chances he'll be anything worthwhile are slim and none.

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 6:21pm

The way I figure it is, if Kyle Orton just wins, and he's dramatically better, then maybe it's time to put him in and win out.

Enough of giving other teams a shot because Grossman and Griese are there.

Seriously though, the Bears know what they have in the other two guys - An inconsistant mistake-prone QB with a deep ball and an inconsistant older QB. Why not throw Orton in? Whats to lose at this point? I mean, the Bears are going to need a QB anyway in the offseason, might as well see if Orton can do anything before drafting someone or trading for McNabb.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 6:30pm

before drafting someone or trading for McNabb.

What will the NFL do when the offseason comes and goes and McNabb is still with the Eagles?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 7:07pm

Why am I seeing a picture of some girl in the background of all the extra points today? Did I miss something?

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by Chas (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 7:09pm

With everything that's gone on with the QB situation, the fact that the Bears haven't really even considered putting orton in there is pretty telling. He's god awful.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 7:20pm

Re: 11 The league will probably go on. In Philadelphia, however, some people whose jobs consist mainly of attacking the best QB in team history will breath a deep sigh of relief.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 7:24pm

"#

With everything that’s gone on with the QB situation, the fact that the Bears haven’t really even considered putting orton in there is pretty telling. He’s god awful. "

A lot of people were saying similar things in Dallas last year (until week 6 or 7) or Cleveland at the beginning of this year.

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by redskinsjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 7:46pm

All Todd Collins does is win. redskins go 9-7 run table to Phoenix. Gibbs win 4th super bowl with differnt qb. Campbell back next year better than ever get Gibbs thumb ring

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by dbt (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 8:10pm

rex: torn MCL, doesn't need surgery, out "3-4 weeks", so he won't play again this year.

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by Aaron Boden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 9:06pm

re: 5

I haven't seen a picture of Kyle's glorious neck pelt recently, but as a great neck beard advocate I bow down before him

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by Alex (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 9:09pm

I mean, the Bears are going to need a QB anyway in the offseason, might as well see if Orton can do anything before drafting someone or trading for McNabb.

Trading for McNabb would take three first round picks, which is maybe a little more than the Bears are willing to give up for a QB. On the other hand, it would keep the Bears from drafting a terrible QB in the first round for the next three years (unless they trade up), so that's a plus. Seriously, the Bears have drafted 9 QBs in the last 20 years, including 3 in the first round, and the best one was Jim Harbaugh, and it's not particularly close.

Anyway, this is all academic, because the Eagles aren't going to let McNabb go, incessant rumors be damned. McNabb is going to be the starting QB for the Eagles until his arm falls off. Given his injury history, I'd say that gives him at least 3-4 years to prove all the idiots in the Philadelphia media wrong.

What will the NFL do when the offseason comes and goes and McNabb is still with the Eagles?

Make sure they don't put any NFC North teams on MNF? Seriously, will there be any above average QBs in that division after Favre retires?

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by MC2 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/07/2007 - 10:05pm

#15: Well done.

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by Chas (not verified) :: Sat, 12/08/2007 - 1:05pm

Trading for McNabb would take three first round picks

Is this a joke?

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by mmm... sacrilicious (not verified) :: Sat, 12/08/2007 - 1:41pm

Dude... even the Herschel Walker trade only included 2 first-round draft picks.

I think McNabb would be valued about where Culpepper was when the Vikings traded him - a QB with awesome physical talents, but with injury problems and questions about slippage in his play. Plus, McNabb is a few years older than Culpepper was.

I think the Eagles will get a single 2nd round pick for him. Maybe a low first if they're lucky.

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by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Sat, 12/08/2007 - 2:10pm

re10 Bears can get Raiders reject in offseason. Raiders keep Josh McCown or Daunte Culpepper. One they don't keep become free agent and maybe solve Bears problem. J McCown (very athletic Qb) probably worth keeping more than Culpepper. Both are better than Greise and Grossman so whichever one bears get will make twam better.
Raiders can afford to lose one of those guys because Jamarcus russell going to take over in 2008 and A Walter going to be 3 string Qb.

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by Costa (not verified) :: Sat, 12/08/2007 - 4:02pm

I seriously doubt a 2nd rounder alone would be enough for McNabb. I'm pretty sure the Eagles would be able to get 1st rounder + some more for him.

That's assuming they trade him at all, of course, which I don't think would be a good idea.

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by starzero (not verified) :: Sun, 12/09/2007 - 5:17am

a) even if mcnabb singlehandedly won every game and the super bowl next season, the phillie media would still call for his head. b) doesn't anyone remember lovie's insistence that "rex is my man" all through last year? even in the super bowl, he played rex. do you really think orton will see any playing time unless griese goes down too? c) since hester does all the bears' scoring, why don't they make him quarterback so he can throw to himself all day?

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by Spoilt Victorian Child (not verified) :: Sun, 12/09/2007 - 4:32pm

I think the Eagles will get a single 2nd round pick for him. Maybe a low first if they’re lucky.
You're assuming they want to trade him, which they apparently don't. They are indeed reportedly asking for three first-round picks.

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by mawbrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/10/2007 - 11:20am

I doubt that McNabb will be an Eagle for the duration of Kolb's contract (three more years). I would guess he'll be with the Eagles one more year (2008) and get traded after that, but a move after this year (if there's a really good offer) or waiting until 2009 (if McNabb plays great next year) wouldn't really surprise me.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 12/10/2007 - 8:53pm

#10: The way I figure it is, if Kyle Orton just wins, and he’s dramatically better, then maybe it’s time to put him in and win out.

The "just wins" thing is what kept Grossman starting for way longer than he should have been. It's time to demand a guy who looks like he should be playing quarterback in the NFL as opposed to checking out the scoreboard and figuring you must have an MVP candidate because you ended up with more points than the other team.