Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

03 Mar 2008

Bengals Finally Get Their Tackle, Add Robertson

ESPN is reporting that the Bengals have acquired Dewayne Robertson from the Jets in exchange for fourth and fifth round picks in the 2008 draft. The Bengals thought they had their defensive tackle problem solved when they agreed to a trade with Detroit for Shaun Rogers, but the trade fell through and Rogers was snapped up by rival Cleveland. Robertson, who was the fourth overall selection in the 2003 draft, was a poor fit in New York's 3-4 scheme, but he represents a major upgrade and comes for less than the going rate for established defensive tackles.

Posted by: Sean McCormick on 03 Mar 2008

15 comments, Last at 05 Mar 2008, 10:32am by Jets Fan

Comments

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by Steve Nolan (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 3:07am

Vilma and Robertson, cornerstones of the NYJ defense for a decade. Or like a year, either one.

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by karl, miami (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 5:04am

re 1:

hahahahaha. what's even funnier, that statement is going to be repeated within a year or two about d'brickshaw and mangold, the supposed cornerstones of the jets oline for the next decade. but don't worry, you have the mangenius at the helm. i hear he's some kind of a defensive strategy savant.

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by Jimmy (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 10:48am

I am a bit pissed off that the Bears didn't think Robertson was worth a 4th and 5th. He would have given the team a very strong rotation at DT. Is a 4th rounder actually going to be any better than a guy who was the fourth pick in the draft. There would also have been the pick coming back to Chicago angle.

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by JoRo (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 10:55am

It has sure looked that way so far. I hafta say I would much rather fit my D to my talent than force my talent into my scheme... and thats what Mangenius did... so I dunno how brilliant he really has been.

But whatever I'm not a Jets fan... kinda sad my Broncos didn't get Robertson though... that was a low price, but I guess the Bengals had a higher pick in each round too.

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by Dice (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 11:20am

I'll believe they still play defense in Cincy when I see it.

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by KnickerBlogger (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 1:11pm

While I'm not happy with the departure of Vilma, I'm not going to shed a lot of tears for Robertson. He was pretty bad, even when the Jets used a 4-3. Maybe a new team will get him to turn things around, but he would frequently get beat in 1-1 battles. Team ran up the middle on the Jets over the last few years, and Robertson was definitely one of the reasons.

It hurts the Jets that a former #1 pick turned out to be such a bust, but they'll be better off without him.

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by NY expat (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 1:50pm

re: 2, 6

There's certainly a legit point to be made that Mangini made very poor use of Vilma's talents. Like KnickerBlogger, I can't think of any extended periods of good play from Robertson. It seems like what the Jets really need is to raid the Giants' personnel evaluation/d-line coaching staff. Even with half the success that the Giants have had you'd get a decent d-line.

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by Scott (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 5:05pm

Smart managers change the scheme to fit the talent. Dumb managers try to wedge talent to fit the scheme. By imposing a 3-4 on 4-3 personnel, he essentially traded the teams two previous #1 picks for a #5 and a #4 and #5. We also used a #2 (Harris) to replace Vilma. What a huge waste.

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by jimm (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 5:43pm

The year Robertson was drafted there was 4 DT's in the top 12. Only one turned out to be a top player. At the time the Vikings were the laughing stock of the league for screwing up the selection for the 2nd straight year, but looks like they got the right guy anyway.

Robertson
J. Kennedy (ST L)
Sulivan (NO)
K. Williams (Minn)

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by Jets Fan (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 5:46pm

If Vilma consistently played better than Harris they wouldn't have gotten rid of him. But he didn't. Harris played better, on a conisistent basis, thereby making Vilma expendable & tradable... so he is gone. Not too complicated or controversial. Robertson has pretty significant knee issues ... and he is just too small to anchor the defensive line. I don't see any controversy in that decision either.

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by Sean McCormick :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 8:07pm

Update- it looks like this deal is also going to fall through for the Bengals, as Robertson is refusing to renegotiate his salary. Look for him to be fitted for a Broncos outfit in the near future.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Mon, 03/03/2008 - 9:52pm

And supposedly the Bengals have now agreed to a deal with Antwan Odom. Maybe. At least for a few hours.

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by Sebastian the Ibis (not verified) :: Tue, 03/04/2008 - 1:17am

The Jets were retarded for trading 2 number one picks to move up to take a D lineman in the fist place!

The Jets are still retarded for trying to run a 3-4 with 4-3 personnel.

I thought it was Herm Edwards, but maybe there is something in the water. I mean they don't even know what state they play in- how can you expect them to evaluate personnel.

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by Scott (not verified) :: Tue, 03/04/2008 - 7:10pm

#10- You are right. The recent decisions are probably the correct ones. However, the Jets forced themselves into these moves because of poor decisions about jamming a square peg (4-3 personnel) into a round hole (3-4 scheme).
Again, what a shame- over the past three years Vilma went from DROY and Pro Bowler to having virtually no trade value.

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by Jets Fan (not verified) :: Wed, 03/05/2008 - 10:32am

The Jets certainly know what state they play in, (usually a state of confusion).

It could be worse, at least the Jets venture into NY once a year when they play the Bills... the Giants don't bother to go to NY at all, and as far as I know they still go by the NY Giants.

& be more careful how you throw around that "retarded" word.. some folks find that offensive. I have a brother in law who is retarded. (and he just recently took over football operations for the Miami Dolphins).