Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

29 Feb 2008

Bengals lose Williams, add Rogers, keep Jones

Quite a day for the Bengals defense. They lose Madieu Williams to the Vikings, but A) They were 31st in pass defense DVOA last year, and B) They're probably better off losing him then guaranteeing him $13 million, like Minnesota did. They then traded third- and fifth-round picks to the Lions for defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. At this point I must point out that the Lions finished dead last in defending runs up the middle in 2007. Finally, the Bengals announced they had reached an agreement to re-sign linebacker Dhani Jones. The article on the Bengal's Web site suggests the team could go with a 4-3 or 3-4 defense in 2008.

Posted by: Vince Verhei on 29 Feb 2008

11 comments, Last at 01 Mar 2008, 12:42am by Bill

Comments

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by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 7:16pm

Rogers lots of talent, when he wants to play. Plus his contract is a deal compared to Tommy Kelly's

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by Michael David Smith :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 7:27pm

I like Rogers a lot and think Bengals fans will be glad to have him. As a Lions fan, I wouldn't mind losing him for third- and fifth-round picks if I trusted Matt Millen to use those picks wisely, but I don't trust Millen, so I think this is a bad move for the Lions.

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by buddha (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 7:32pm

Rogers was the most talented defensive player the Lions had. Which says a lot about the level of talent on the Lions.

When Rogers was motivated to play and healthy, he was one of the best defensive tackles in the league. Unfortunately, he was never motivated and healthy for long.

Like MDS said, the fact that Millen is making these picks makes it a worthless trade for Detroit. They get rid of their best player and get two picks Millen will undoubtedly use on the next Brian Calhoun, Drew Stanton or Johnny Baldwin.

In other words, the Lions just gave up an all-pro defensive tackle for a couple of special teams players.

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by Goran (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 7:50pm

Why is he an All-pro? Because of his high Madden rating?

He's been hyped up as a great player for a long time, but as this article points out about the Lions defense, they were never, ever a good defense, even with such a "stud" playing. At one point you really have to ask yourself why is this guy so great.

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by Average Steeler Fan (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 8:09pm

Damnit!

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by Jake_Plummers_Beard (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 8:46pm

Millen compiling draft picks? He gonna get hisself some new receivers!

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by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 9:10pm

Well he has not been an All-Pro since 2005. 2006 he started out strong, got hurt, got suspended, got IRed.

Same with this year, started out strong, got tired, got bad. He still had 7 sacks, he is still a great special team player. Is he still as good as he was in 2005? Thats probably only up to him and his coaches getting it out of him.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 9:28pm

I'm sure with the collection of hard working, motivated, team-oriented players the Bengals have Shaun Rogers will fulfill his potential. If anything its high time the Bengals took a chance on a gifted athlete that has had character problems.

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by lionsbob (not verified) :: Fri, 02/29/2008 - 11:38pm

Well the Shaun Rogers to Cincy deal is off...the hot rumor is Rogers to Cleveland for Bodden and a 3rd rounder. I doubt that is very true

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by buddha (not verified) :: Sat, 03/01/2008 - 12:30am

wait a second...did matt millen just make a good trade?

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by Bill (not verified) :: Sat, 03/01/2008 - 12:42am

The trade to the Bengals was stopped because of salary cap rules?

OK, I'm confused.