Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

24 Jan 2008

Scouts Inc. Ranks All 106 Super Bowl Players

Sure, we can have debates about the players near the top of this list -- does it still make sense to list Richard Seymour as the best Patriots lineman, are we overrating Eli Manning based on four good games, is Laurence Maroney really better than Brandon Jacobs. But the most fun (and basically absurd) part of this list is the bottom. Quick: Chad Jackson or Sinorice Moss? Kevin Boothe or LeKevin Smith? Who gets to be "Mr. Super Bowl Irrelevant?" (Answer: Antwain Spann, the third-string Patriots cornerback.) One thing I will note: How can you talk about Stephen Gostkowski and not include the word "kickoffs?" I swear, I need a catchy phrase here like we had for "Curse of 370," because I think my next mission is to make people in the national media understand the importance -- and consistency -- of kickoff distance. Join with me, and together we'll get Neil Rackers and Olindo Mare into the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 24 Jan 2008

37 comments, Last at 26 Jan 2008, 5:34am by BDC

Comments

1
by Joseph (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 1:34pm

1st?

Seriously, Guy Whimper that low? I don't watch the G-men, but the backup LT is THAT low?

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by Toxikfetus (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 1:41pm

A name like "Guy Whimper" automatically moves you 20 places down the list.

Now, "T-Bone Knuckles", that's gotta be good for at least a 5 position bump.

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by Grumio (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 1:50pm

No way Spann (#106) is worse than Stephen Spach (#105). I saw the solitary tackle this year he made and it was fantastic. Better than anything Spach did on the '05 Eagles. A travesty.

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by Otis Taylor 89 (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:09pm

I shouldn't even look at these things (God I want this game to get here!),but Stephen Neal #38? He's missed several games this year, but he is probably one of the most athletic OGs in the league and his return in the playoffs was one big reason why NE ran the ball so well.

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by vanya (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:13pm

Aaron,

Right on about Gostkowski. One of the big factors in the AFC Championship game was the difference between his excellent kickoffs and Kaedings very poor ones. Belichick even made a point of stressing this in the Monday morning press conference, but most of the media I guess isn't bright enough to pay attention.

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by QB (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:25pm

Wow, they really bent over backwards to not disrespect the Giants.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:37pm

When did Ryan O'Callaghan get traded to the Giants? :)

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by ChrisFromNJ (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:41pm

How, exactly, is Sinorice Moss in the top 100 here?

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by Tom D (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:18pm

Is Matt Cassel really better than Anthony Wright? I doubt it.

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by Disco Stu (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:21pm

I appreciate Aaron trying to steer discussion away from the top of the article, so I'll take the bait-

Whimper whould be higher- he might be the starting LT next year. And Tyree might be too low with all his contributions to the team.

And Feagles- "Nobody in the NFL is better than Feagles at placing punts inside the 20-yard line as a directional punter" Has this just become boilerplate by now? Is it true anymore? Was it ever? As a Giants fan I feel great having him back there kicking (and esp holding), but this GOAT directional kicking stuff is a bit too hagiographic for me.

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by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:35pm

"Is Matt Cassel really better than Anthony Wright? I doubt it."

This is the same Anthony Wright who played for Baltimore, right?

I doubt either one of them is good, but I'd give the edge to Cassel. That being said, I think Cassel loses his job next year to Gutierrez

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by Crushinator (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:46pm

While I like Osi, I think he's a tad overrated. Against guys not named Winston Justice, he's had 7 sacks in 15 games.

I don't think he's a bad player and I'm sure he gets a solid amount of pressure and hurries, but I think he gets over-regarded by the national media based on that one game.

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by Carlos (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:49pm

Up at the top of the list, these are the two most hilarious selections:

#6 Plaxico Burress
#13 Wes Welker

I thoughts Scouts Inc were the guys who supposedly knew something about this game called football.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:23pm

There is no freakin' way Willie Andrews isn't one of the top 75. Willie Andrews is rated to low because he makes a lot of Special Teams stops and even has a return for a touchdown. The Billboard Top 100 is way better than this. Kasey Kasem wuzz da bombbbb!

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by Settle for 3 Turner (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:23pm

Aaron,
With apologies to my golfing brethren, how about "Figgies for show, kickoffs for dough" or a more salacious option "Length does matter"

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by Disco Stu (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:00pm

The order goes:

Pats
Pats
Giants
Pats
Giants
Giants
Pats
Pats
Pats
Giants
Pats
Pats
Pats
Pats

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by CaffeineMan (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:52pm

Hey, I like the golf idea. How about:

Chip for show. Drive for dough.

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by Ryan (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:57pm

Why is the hefty lefty Jared Lorenzen so low?

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by bubqr (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:57pm

49. TE Kevin Boss -- Giants

He has filled Shockey's shoes very nicely. He is not as good a receiver or run-blocker, but he does something the Giants didn't ask Shockey to do: pass block. Boss is solid at it, allowing Manning more time in the pocket.

I thought Shockey was staying too much in protection, and Giants fans were complaining about it ?

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by Jon (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 7:48pm

12, sacks are not a perfect measure of pass rush performance. Think back to week 17. Osi was dominating Matt Light, giving Brady almost no time to throw. Brady is great at getting rid of the ball quickly though, hence no sacks.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 8:00pm

I liked this bit from the Gutierrez comment:
he has shown little to date.
He was undrafted and is third string. He is also playing behind Brady. What exactly can he be expected to have shown?

Incidentally, he does have a career passer rating of 118 (from his one career attempt). Although he does have -13 yards rushing on the career, I'd say the passer rating warrants at least 102 on this list.

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by lyford (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 8:01pm

Because someone had to do it, I present the cumulative rankings:

Patriots: 2579
Giants: 2992

Patriots have 10 of the top 14 (71%) and 24 of the top 44 (55%).

That and a buck'll get you two apple pies at McDonald's...

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 8:24pm

12: Yea, and you can pretty much do that for everybody.

The "If you take away those times when he really dominated, then he wasn't so dominant" argument is the one of the worst in all of sports. Especially when you're already dealing with a really fluky statistic like sacks.

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by cabbage (not verified) :: Thu, 01/24/2008 - 11:12pm

LeKevin Smith

I loved him in D'Clerks.

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by Raiderjoe (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 12:34am

re13
What is complaint? Burress not high enough or too low. Welker not high enough or too low? Welker and Burress some of my best Wrs in league. Buress remind me of Ronald Curry, captain of Raiders.
Welker like homeless man Fred Biletnkioff.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 2:07am

"Welker like homeless man Fred Biletnkioff" is going in the Welker comment in the book, typos and all.

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by kyle (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 4:17am

madison hedgecock over russ hochstein? really?

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by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 6:16am

I've gotta say, nice comment Raiderjoe.

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by David (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 7:58am

26 - If that's a promise, then I promise to buy the book again this year. In fact, the more Raiderjoe input that makes it into the book, the more likely I am to buy it. If you let him write the entire Raiders section (Or even better, the sections of the Chargers, Chiefs and Broncos) I'll probably buy multiple copies.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 10:33am

#26 - I'm going one further - I will be sorely disappointed if PFP 2008 doesn't include an entire section devoted to Raiderjoe.

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by AndyE (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 11:16am

Hurray for the now-IR'ed Mel Mitchell to at least get ranked number 81.

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by AndyE (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 11:20am

Okay, Scouts Inc is seriously dissing special teams. No way is Eugene Wilson - now the #4 safety for the Pats, who we rarely see - higher in value than Kelley Washington, Willie Andrews, and Pierre Woods - the core coverage guys.

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by dryheat (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 11:35am

I also think that "Raiderjoe" really needs to be added to the FO glossary.

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by Herm? (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 6:50pm

How is most of this even measurable? Did they go back to Cassell's Highschool days? or Gutierrez's college days? Someone threw this POS list together and got paid for it? My hero.
Here's to you, Mr. Scouts Inc. fatuous list maker...
Have another Duff Light.

and lyford, we have tax in Massachusetts. I'll be scraping my ashtrays and fishing under the seats for a nickel if I want those pies.

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by Eric J (not verified) :: Fri, 01/25/2008 - 6:51pm

The absense of a posessive ending to "homeless man" makes it sound like Fred Biletnikoff is accomodationally challenged.

All fear Raiderjoe.

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by Alex (not verified) :: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 2:59am

#26 - I’m going one further - I will be sorely disappointed if PFP 2008 doesn’t include an entire section devoted to Raiderjoe.

I'm going even further - I might not even buy PFP 2008 if it doesn't have a section devoted to Raiderjoe (or at least have Raiderjoe comment about each team at the end of each team's chapter).

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by BDC (not verified) :: Sat, 01/26/2008 - 5:34am

36:

That would be great. I wasn't really planning on buying it, but if it had a comment by RJ after each team, I think I would buy it just for that. Just to see what RJ has to say about my team.

Is it possible that this might be RJ's big break?