As someone who regularly plays a full team with nothing but the worst guys (a favorite enjoyment in football and basketball), I seriously disagree with Jared Lorenzen.

His Throw Power alone makes him a service QB. He should be in the hall of fame of bad QBs, with that guy from Michigan on the Cardinals (and extremely good video game football player with bad overall)

Cory Sauter actually deserves to be on this list. It could be called the Cory Sauter list.

I never played with Richardsen though, so maybe he was that bad.

The QB from Arizona was John Navarre. Again, saved by throw power.

Basically, any bad QB with an 80+ throw power is serviceable. The guys that can't even throw a 10 yard pass, those are who you need to focus on for worst QB.

You could give me a QB with the worst accuracy, and an 87 throw power, and I'll move the ball down the field.

Lorenzen has

TP: 88
THA: 76

Hell, he's better than many starting QB's in the league.

Horrible choice for the list, I think you were just looking for an excuse to use him because he is on your mind signing with the Colts.

In QB, TP and TA are the two most important stats, and overall is SERIOUSLY IRRELEVANT.

You just play as them to match their weaknesses.

And I agree with another comment poster on the IGN thread, Steve Grogan in Tecmo Super Bowl deserves honorable mention even though it isn't Madden.

Last comment, I'm trying hard. Can you tell that I play with the worst teams every year yet?

The QB on the Saints, scrambling QB, overall around 67 from 2007 also deserves in the hall of fame of bad qbs.

He was the Michael Vick of bad Qbs.

Trying hard not to comment more. Really.

Adrian McPherson was the QB, and I was right about his rating. It's pretty sad that I have memorized the worst qb's in the league's rating, and I couldn't tell you Manning or Brady's from particular years.

I'm going to leave the computer now so I stop replying.

But, After looking over the 2007 rating list again, I wanted to clarify.

Throwing Power > Throwing Accuracy.

Accuracy you can fudge by being really skilled. Pump faking to get more room. Throwing very good routes. Maximum Passing.

Throwing Power there is no way to overcome.

So a player like Lorenzen > Shaun King

Shaun King has a much higher overall, but Lorenzen, or Peterson, or any QB with a 87-90 Throwing Power will smoke them.

If you can't get the ball far enough, there's nothing you can do to really force the defense away from you. Play Action doesn't work so well. You're in a world of hurt.

So if you actually play the game with all of these players, you'll find that a guy with a rating of 67 is better than a guy with a rating of 80 if their throw power is very low.

Using just that metric, I'd call Koy Detmer the worst QB in Madden 2007.

So take any team. And use both QB's, and tell me what you think. I'll be surprised if you think it's easier using Koy Detmer than Lorenzen.

SPD and THA are the most important stats for a QB in madden.
What do you need THP for if your passes are sailing over the sidelines? And running away from the rush - that's gold.

Congrats, Nathan. I think 7 intentional posts in a row may be the most of your own in FO history, or at least the recent era.

I refuse to acknowledge any list of bad QBs that doesn't include Bobby Hoying.

Henry Burris

Madden fact:
Michael Robinson (HB 49ers) is a better QB than DJ Shockley and DJ Shockley (QB Falcons) is a better HB than Michael Robinson.

I always sort of liked Jeff Brohm. Does anyone have any more information about exactly how awesome he was in the XFL?

I remember messing around with the build-a-player, I ended up with a J-Load like offensive lineman build (I think I had him 7-foot, 365 lbs), slowest possible speed, max arm strength and power.

This resulted in a delay of game on most plays as he was unable to make it under center before the play clock ran out. The solution was to call shotguns, which meant he didn't have to amble as far and those precious seconds were enough to get a snap off. I was able to use this QB to successfully runs sneaks up the middle from shotgun for enough YPC to sustain drives on the rookie mode.

Bohm sucked in NFl, but was kind of food in the XFL.

One of worst Qbs in Madden Age should be Spergon Wynn. He sucked real bad. I will look at list later. just wanted to mention Wynns name so will check later to see if I am right

He should be in the hall of fame of bad QBs, with that guy from Michigan on the Cardinals (and extremely good video game football player with bad overall)

You are referring to my favorite quarterback, John Navarre, as I was his favorite target during his Michigan years.

couple observations-

bravo Nathan- way to channel John Favreau in Swingers "...this is Mike, I think your machine cut off last time..."

what are the odds that raiderjoe spelled "Spergon Wynn" correctly?!?!?

Re #13- Bill actually wrote an article on Jeff Brohm before this past draft... pretty interesting one too.

Henry Buress
Chad Hutchinson
Ryan Leaf
Spurgen Wynn
Rohan Davey
Brock Berlin

The running QB the chiefs had who never played.

How about the QB with an S name that the Broncos had who pretty much only scrambled and didn't even really throw?

#13:
He got off to a real good start, and I think his team (the Orlando Rage) started off perfect, or close to it. Then, he was taken out for a while by a QB blitz and I don't think he ever played well again.

I could be wrong though, that's just from memory.

I miss the XFL.

Re: 13, 18

Brohm's Orlando Rage started the season 6-0. In the 7th game, Brohm was sacked by L.A. Xtreme linebacker Juan Long, separated his shoulder, and missed the rest of the season.

Brohm's stats on the season: 69 of 119 (58.0%) for 993 yards, 9 TD, 3 INT, passer rating of 99.9.

I actually use to always take Shockey and try and build him up to trade him later, but last years Madden was too frustrating.

I use to do that with Seneca Wallace back before he was somewhat decent OVR too.

re18
I always try to spell guys names wright. Sometimes I make a typing mistake or sometime i just dont know the guys name. But I did spell Wynn's name right. Chris in posted 19 spelled it wrong

19 - Are you talking about Jarious Jackson for the Broncos? Hoo boy. He... was not good at football.

18. Actually I noticed Raider Joe almost always gets the hard names right (like "Nanamdi Asomugha"... heck I might have just written that wrong, but I remember RaiderJoe had it right).

I think he's like a football idiot savant or something. Like Bill Belichick, only less anti-social.

19, 24: I thought perhaps it was Bradlee Van Pelt? Career: 11 carries for 48 yards and a touchdown, 2-8 passing for 7 yards and a 39.6 QB rating.

I always say no quarterback from my college is ever worth having, but, considering Van Pelt, maybe it's actually the entire state . . .

15: That may be the funniest thing that has ever appeared in the comment threads on this site.

Anybody have a favorite player to go iron man with in Madden? My favorite was Bo Orlando of the Bengals in Madden 97. I would badly piss off my buddies by playing him as a slot receiver (he was also a safety) and passing to him over and over again. He would always be the player of the game with gaudy receiving numbers to go with multiple interceptions. Good times.

Whenever he would score or get a pick, I would shout "BO ORLANDO!" I chose him for the name, really.

14: Jeff Brohm was one of Madden's worst but he was the XFL's best. The story of his astounding 2001 season with the Orlando Rage appeared on this very site, four months ago today. He had the highest DVOA of any XFL quarterback, by far. Linked under my name.

What about Preston Parsons on the Madden 2004 Cardinals? I once had TO and Randy Moss on the outside, with the best-possible line in the game, and Travis Henry coming out of the backfield (he was like 92 overall that year), and Parsons was so inaccurate and noodle-armed, I could literally not complete a pass on Pro level.

He seems like a nice guy in A Few Seconds of Panic, but man he sucked pixels...

BO ORLANDO!

He's still racking up INTs, lo these many years later.

I can't believe a FO article didn't adjust for era. In previous Maddens they used a much larger range of ratings. So a 60 in 1995 is like a 75 in 2008.

I worked with Bo Orlando's (real) brother at one point. They both played at Berwick (PA) High School, IIRC.

Woodbury played special teams for the Jets, if memory serves. I don't think he ever got in a game as a QB.

re: 9

Actually, I'm part of several epic threads. I just don't post a whole lot anymore, but I'm around.

re: 10

I'm honestly surprised you used logic to defend your responses. It's a video game :)

But honestly, it's easy to list the lowest rated quarterbacks. It's much more difficult to have actually played with all of them, and have intricate opinions about them.

re: 13

I see SOMEONE understands what I'm talking about. Michael Robinson (hb for the Niners) is a very nice QB option. I've used him many times. I'm not alone in my insanity.

re: 16

Spergon Wynn did suck very hard.

And, Robinson is a better WR than QB or HB

"SPD and THA are the most important stats for a QB in madden.
What do you need THP for if your passes are sailing over the sidelines?"

Here's the issue. If a guy can throw far, you can score a touchdown based on play action fakes, and good play calling.

Accuracy is irrelevant when you're open, and using maximum passing.

So let's say I choose a route with 2 cuts, a post out, then a cut back towards the middle.

You pump fake before the first cut. The CB is gone.

Then you maximum pass in the middle of the field, and no matter how bad the accuracy, the guy will catch it.

It's simply a matter of skill being able to overwhelm accuracy, while no skill can overwhelm power.

If you can't throw it, you can't throw it. I can't do anything about it but throw short. No matter how intricate I make the play calling, I'm relying on a lot of plays with a bad QB to make it down the field.

For the record, I play with some of the worst players at every position, so a fast WR that is bad and a QB that's bad with good throw power = touchdowns.

As long as you're open, and you make the right play calls, a TD will occur.

Whereas, trying to dink and dunk with a guy over many more plays, and with an RB that is also terrible (I like fast tiny terrible RBs to get to the outside and avoid my terrible line of pass blockers)

My favorite fast tiny RB that was bad?

Shaud Williams

I could rack up 1000 yard seasons with Shaud.

Hey, Raiderjoe, I was in Trader Joe's last night and noticed that they have Sierra Nevada's special anniversary edition. I would have bought a six pack but my girlfriend reminded me of the other beer that we have at home.

Anyway, someone needs to put together the all time worst Madden teams by edition, and then we can debate which collection is the all time worst.

I use to make Brian St. Pierre into a Pro Bowl caliber QB (usually for the Cardinals or the Lions) in I think Madden 2005

"You are referring to my favorite quarterback, John Navarre, as I was his favorite target during his Michigan years."

In NFL2k5 I would always put Navarre as my starting QB for Arizona since Josh McCown had such poor arm strength.

I have to agree with the people saying that as long as they have decent arm strength they can be used. Navarre was so much better than McCown for that reason. You literally could not throw further than 15 yards with McCown.

re: 39

Exactly. Accuracy is important, but not as important as distance. Accuracy can be helped by good play calling. Distance cannot be helped.

If you can't get the ball down the field.

Let's say I'm playing defense, and you can't get the ball down the field.

I can stay close, ignore deep routes (because the ball literally won't even make it there), and focus on stopping the running game, making you have to throw often with what we all agree is a bad qb.

If not, the field is open and you can still attack.

No matter how low the accuracy rating is, you can still hit a slant. You can still hit an out. You can still hit passes.

It's not like on a 5 yard out the ball is going to go into the stands.

However, with lack of distance, the ball will not go far enough. Go's are out of the question. Long post routes.

Because with lack of distance, you'll under throw for easy ints.

So with bad accuracy, you limit ints by throwing away from the defender. The ball might be dropped, but not intercepted.

I've tried it with numerous players over full seasons. I can win a Superbowl with a high throw power low accuracy Qb on all-pro.

I can barely win games with a no throw power high accuracy player.

You dink and dunk, but the defense is doubly vicious because they don't have to defend deep. Further, most plays have deep routes, so your options to throw to are much less.

Let's say WR 1 is running a Go. Wr 2 is running a slant. TE is running a curl.

Your only options are slant and curl. Curl isn't much of an option after the curl is complete (you need to throw before the curl most times.)

So that leaves your slant, and a non-existant Go.

Your options just don't exist.

Tony Easson

26- It was Van Pelt. It seemed like all he did was QB sneaks.

Where is Danny Kanell? This guy couldn't make it as the 3rd baseman on the Newark Bears and he still showed up in a lot of Maddens. What was his dismal Overall when he was 3rd string on the Broncos a few years back?

Danny Kanell was a true crap Qb. He finish his career with 31 tds and 34 Ints. His rating was 63.2 and have 5.4 average yards per pass. That is really sucky. Broncos real stupid team for letting Kanell play for them in 2003.

You know what? I agree with this 100%. Jeff Brohm? Not a bad QB in the XFL. Casey Weldon? Even he was OK in the XFL. Wally Richardson was a bad QB--A BAD XFL QB, for the NY/NJ Hitmen. So, yup--I have no beef declaring him the worst Madden QB ever.

I was thinking about Danny Kanell with all the other Giant reject QB's ( dave brown, kent grahmn, jessie palmer etc.) but Kanell threw 31 TD passes and not that many more picks.

Look at guys like Henry Burress or Van Pelt who couldn't even complete passes so they just resorted to running.

There was that unnamed Chiefs 3rd stringer who was on the Chiefs reality show who sucked real bad too. He was Van Pelt on steroids only against preseason 3rd stringers but Herm liked him.

I will piss off the Pats fans and throw Matt Cassels name into the mix.

07' Threw 7 passes and 1 was picked off and ran back for a TD. He threw more TD passes to Miami Dolphins than his own team and made Brady come back into the game ans BB suffer criticism.

06' 8 passing attempts and he was sacked 3 times. Very Ryan Leaf like.

05' 13/24 his rookie year in mop up, that was his best year.

College - Sat on the bench. I can't think of any other backup college QB's to make the NFL.

Matt Cassell is a very mysterious player, he is rare to come into live games and lives his NFL/college life through practice.

This is equal to the 11th man on an NBA bench who does shoot around before games and wears the shirt, but never gets into games.

Matt Cassell is a practice/pregame powerhouse.

I haven't played Madden for years (prefer NCAA), but I always went for high accuracy QBs because I run an offense based on short, reliable passes to the outside and a power running game up the middle. Just a 3 yard gain if the WR gets tackled, but if he avoids it there's often nobody else back there since I'd audible to a power running play if they didn't defend the middle strong.

THP is a hindrance in that kind of offense, your QB can easily overthrow it and the ball lands out of bounds, giving the WR no chance.

Maybe this explains why I like Chad Pennington so much as a QB.

I can’t think of any other backup college QB’s to make the NFL.

I think Brad Johnson was a backup at FSU, and he had a decent career in the NFL. But he's kind of the exception to the rule, there.

Thanks to this, I looked up Jared Lorenzen's wiki article... and found someone nicknamed him "He Ate Me".
I haven't laughed this hard in awhile. Thank you.