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19 Nov 2009
Brian Brohm was signed off the Packers' practice squad by the Bills. Green Bay apparently offered to match the Bills' two-year deal, but Brohm chose to go to Buffalo.
He immediately becomes their second-best quarterback after Gibran Hamdan.
Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 19 Nov 2009
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21 Nov 2009, 7:38pm by
awww a trent edwards shot?
Brian Brohm worthy of an Extra Point?
Slow news day.
Not Vroom and some others? I'm still liking Edwards. He wasn't great last season, but I think its less a case of regression than having no O-line at all this season. But never having seen Brohm play, maybe he can get it done for the Bills next season.
WIN, if only for the Raiderjoe reference.
We've seen that Jauron has ruined three quarterbacks now...
Sports talk radio and sports message boards are the killing fields of intellectual discourse.
Brohm is known for having no sense of timing, tiny hands and happy feet in the pocket. In Green Bay he got beat out by a 7th-rounder for the backup spot. I don't know if he has improved since the offseason but last time i saw him play he was atrocious.
Too bad about Brohm - if he could throw the ball 20 yards in the air, he'd be Peyton. As is, he's Brady Quinn, except mercifully benched. Were I a GM, I'd sign him, and tell him to get in the weight room and add 100lbs to his bench and 150 to his squat, then see what his throw looks like.
I don't know if it's sarcastic but, you are aware that B.Quinn benched something like 23 times at the combine ? More than one of his invited OL ? And Russell meanwhile propably ate every bars he came across, but still has the most powerful arm I've ever seen.
Unleashing the dragon is not given to anyone.
Vroom didn't have a real chance to prove himself in GB, did he?
My memory says that he was a good prospect out of college so I'm very curious what he can do.
The year before he actually came out, people were talking about him like a franchise QB. I'll take credit for calling him overhyped back then, before a very mediocre senior season (and post-college workouts) dropped his stock.
It really only took one game that I saw personally-- Rutgers' huge emotional upset win over Louisville. I had pretty decent seats to watch the game, and I saw a guy in Brohm who was always watching the pass rush rather than looking down the field and always made decisions a second too late. And that was against RUTGERS, which was having a nice season but should never be regarded as a top-flight team.
The Packers still took him in the 2nd round for whatever reason, but personally I think that guy isn't even backup material in this league.
Having not seen hardly any Louisville games, I thought Brohm was a good second round pick a couple years ago because all reports indicated that he was the most "NFL ready" QB in the draft. At this stage, however, the guy can't play a lick. The game seems way too fast for him. In his final preseason performance, he did a bit better but all the routes were short, no read, quick tosses. I wish him well, but there's a reason the Packers exposed him by placing him on the practice squad. The same year the Packers drafted Brohm, they took LSU's Matt Flynn in the seventh round. Flynn quickly jumped ahead of the highly regarded Brohm. Neither have / had a chance to surplant Rodgers, who will be a 10-year guy for the Packers.
Just think -- only a few years ago, Football Outsiders Almanac referred to teams doing very poorly as "playing for Brohm" or some similar pun. Poor bastard.
Man, the Bills are a wreck. They need an actual GM and a functional front office so very badly.
I believe it was "The Brohm Closet."
I like the move for the Bills: the season is a waste, and Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't the answer, but Brohm might show something. Then again, he might show just enough to prevent the Bills from acquiring an actual QB in the offseason.
And wasn't that the year after "The Quest for Quinn"
And two years after "Leinart Land"
During the draft that year, I was yelling for the Bucs to take Brohm and was seriously pissed off when they didn't. Of course, they picked Dexter Jackson out of Appalachian State instead who parlayed that upset win over Michigan into one really bad season of pro football before he was cut. Total waste of a second-round pick. He's apparently on the Panthers practice squad now.
I guess I should feel good that the Bucs flamed out with a second-round WR pick, because second-round QB picks tend to hang around a lot longer. At least Jackson sucked quickly.
Hell, I was screaming for us to take him with the first pick, and then even louder when he was still there in the second. But I don't watch college.
Gibran Hamdan hasn't taken a snap in the NFL in 6 years.
He's a career 4th stringer / UFL backup at best.
i was shocked he was ever even drafted. the dude didn't even start every game as a senior at IU.
but i guess spurrier had recruited him in college and liked his arm...
Brohm was immortalized in the 2007 prospectus as the lowest category of team projection. Which he will now get to realize with the Bills.
While I don't know if Brohm has enough arm strength to play in the NFL, I wouldn't write him off just yet. People forget that not every QB looks great immediately. Rodgers basically sucked his first two years and it was a blessing for him that he was playing behind You-Know-Who of the consecutive starts. It wasn't until AR's third year that the light went on. Brohm could be the same way. If he still sucks after next year it's unlikely he'll ever be more than backup. I just think it's still too early to tell.
You can't tell jack about a quarterback until they've been in the league for 2-3 years. The learning curve, especially against top flight competition, is brutal.
Ultimately, you have to boil it down to two categories: physical, and mental. If you have all the physical tools, but none of the mental ones, you're JaMarcus Russell. Sure, you can put the ball through the uprights from 80 yards away on your knees, but that doesn't mean squat if you can't figure out when to check down or know when a receiver is open. If you have all the mental tools but no physical ones, you're Chad Pennington. Great guy, smart as hell, and he can be a starting QB for a mediocre to bad team, but he's probably not taking you to the playoffs, and he's not winning the Super Bowl. His arm just isn't good enough to force a defense to respect the deep pass.
The best guys are in the middle. Not everyone gets to be Peyton Manning, who somehow has all the physical tools and all the mental ones, but as long as you're somewhere inbetween you can probably find a home as a backup and maybe get a shot as a starter.
Actually, why stray from the Raiders for your examples? I think Bruce Gradkowski might be a better example of a guy with the mental tools but not the physical tools.
Pennington is actually a decent QB. It seems like you're putting too high a value on the mental game if you take him as an example. I'd contend that they are equally important. And I'd submit for you consideration Daunte Culpepper as an example of a QB with physical tools only who managed some success in the NFL.
What I remember about Brian Brohm was that he was something of a Football Outsiders darling on draft day because he measured up nicely on the collegiate statistical predictors of NFL success (completion percentage and number of starts).
Err... Culpepper or Vick. Vick's probably the best comparable with Pennington.
Why the irrational diss on Pennington? He has taken two different teams to the playoffs, and without looking, I believe he did it twice with NY and once with Miami. His arm is plenty good to force a defense to respect the deep pass.
You must be thinking of someone else.
"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.
I know he hasn't looked good in the Pros but this is a guy who started for a few years at Louisville and a guy I never felt safe going up against as a Rutgers fan. He seemed to complete crucial passes and drive the ball fairly well when needed while in college. Maybe he just needs to play in an actual game that counts and not just a preseason game.
We all know preseason doesn't count for anything in Green Bay anyways... What was Rodgers' QB rating in the preseason?
High, and it's still doing fine in the regular season. A better comparison would be how many sacks he took: 0 vs ∞
Ah, no wonder they were talking about Ted Thompson's drafting ability on the radio today. I'd have to disagree with them on this one though. Brohm was worse than Flynn, and they decided to go with 2 QBs on the active roster rather than 3. They hadn't given up on him, or they wouldn't have even bothered signing him to the practice squad.
And as the news says, the Pack offered to sign him to the active roster as well, but he declined. I'm sure he thinks he's more likely to see the field in Buffalo, which I can't disagree with. I do think he had a better chance to actually in Green Bay than he will in Buffalo, but who knows?
Oh, and the Packers signed rookie QB Mike Reilly of DII Central Washington to take Brohm's place on the practice squad (i.e. scout team QB). He spent the preseason with Pittsburgh.
Wikipedia's list of famous Central Washington students includes John Kitna, Craig T. Nelson, and the "For Dummies" book author.
It is odd that this is deemed newsworthy but Chris McAlister's signing isn't...
begfore begin just want to say Sierra Nevada Stout is stout like Raiders run D of 1970s.
BCS dumb system most of time. watxhing Boise State vs utag State on epspn2. Bisw State up 42-24 against Aggies. what if Texas, alaba,ma florisda winner, TCu and BS all fdinish regu season undeftated? BCs (dumb comuter) probably going tot ake alabama florida winner vs texas, That meakes TCU and Boise state go to Fiesta Bowl or something crappy like Independence Bowl or Gatior Boql.
point of post was to make comment on Brain Borom. Not relaly good qb had good stats at Luisville but stats lie. Brom could betat jets or chiefs. easy pickings there. also play cots in week 17 and Clts if clinch afc 1 seed oging to take it eays in week 17. Manning play 1st quatter and maybe first eseries in 2nd. Then ohter guy come in and play Qb. Same withd efense. all good players come out early like Dwight Freeneu and Roibert Mathis and some other.s So broom not getting strongf gam e by oposnetn so maybe have good gma ehtta day.
What do you think of the Bigfoot?
was drunk last night, sorry for typinh skills. could edit 29 but why waste the time? got things to do.
Bigfoot is maybe rela. One was filmed one time (1967)_- but turned out was human running aorund woods in gorilla suit.
Good channcnes Bigfoot exist but oging to be hard to ctatch one alive or dead. If dead rmeains probably get eaten by bear or wolves or maybe other bigofoots. When alive bigoofots probably very fast and also are gerta at hiding. so good luck ever trying to catch one
I was talking about Sierra Nevada's Bigfoot. It's their barleywine, which hits like George Atkinson.
Awesome stuff haha
Oh wow. Didn't know Sierra Nevada has Bigfoot now. going to have to look for that. Store nearby has Stout, Porter, and Torpedo and summerfest even though not summer anymoroe. going to look at other stores in area
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