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02 Nov 2009
Chargers Release Chris Chambers
The Twitter account of the San Diego Union-Tribune's Kevin Acee notes that the Chargers have released wide receiver Chris Chambers.
Amongst qualifying wide receivers, Chambers's -84 DYAR and -49.6% DVOA ranked 79th and 80th out of 82, respectively, and he'd caught only eight of the 30 passes (27 percent) on which he was the intended receiver.
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Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Another receiver for the Bears?
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Unless he can block for Cutler and Forte, he's not joining the team.
Actually, if can play DT at an above average level, we could use him.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Remember when everyone (general fans/media) clamored for him to be billed as a legit #1 WR? Good times.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
To be fair, he was pretty amazing for three whole games in 2005...
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
I recall this being the first website which called Chambers overrated, due to his low catch rate.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
The irony is that right before this happened he managed to beat Asomugha on a 3rd down pass late in the game. If Asomugha intercepted that, the Raiders very easily could've won the game.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Barnwell's bland, emotionless response to this news is striking, being that he's the guy who outed Chambers as hugely overrated in the first place. Unfortunately he was forced to reconsider his position after his research showed that catch percentage is mostly a product of team play and usage rather than individual skill. After all, Chambers's historically bad performance with the Dolphins appeared to be a fluke, especially once he moved to San Diego and greatly improved. How ironic that new evidence appears which seems to indicate that Barnwell's original view was correct, yet he is not in a position to gloat about it.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
He "greatly improved" to his previous level as a below-average receiver (click his name for his stats). Let's not go too far.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Ah, I was waiting for this.... Drafted Floyd in FFB with my second to last pick (Norwood was last .... now when will Turner get an injury or is he Dickerson in disguise).
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Huh? Barnwell shouldn't gloat too much because it's rather unseemly to gloat over someone losing his job, but Chambers really isn't very good. Chambers' numbers did improve fairly significantly when he joined the Chargers, but even last year, playing with one of the best quarterbacks in the league and alongside two of the most productive receivers in the league (Jackson and Gates), he only managed to finish 42nd in the league with a 0.2% DVOA. That's not enough to justify keeping him around in the face of his other bad seasons--especially given that this year, he's been just as awful as he was with the Dolphins, suggesting that those years weren't a fluke.
As for the Chargers' decision to cut him, Chambers is an average receiver in the best of times, a bad one most of the rest of the time, and probably has no trade value once the offseason comes. So why should the Chargers hold on to him even until the end of the season? Better to get rid of him now so he's not a distraction and try to replace (or improve) his production with whomever was backing him up.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
My point was just that Barnwell was well-established as Chambers's biggest critic up until recently, and this would have been a great opportunity for an "I told you so," if only Barnwell had not backed off his position. But he did. Now it's too late. Sorry, Bill.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
I'm rather shocked. After watching Chambers against KC last week, I thought to myself, "He's really, really awful. They should just release him." Then, I thought to myself, "Smith would never do anything like that. It would be like admitting failure."
Chalk one up to first instincts.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
AJ Smith won’t receive a "failure" mark for this one. Chambers was productive in 2007 after they traded for him. Not great, but productive. With McCardell gone and the oft-injured Vincent Jackson yet to make an impact, Rivers had no one on the team to throw to who wasn't named Gates. Chambers served his purpose for two years, and has since been made obsolete by the young guys.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Smith's admitted mistakes time and again, it's just that he's such a jerk nobody seems to remember. In addition to this past Feb's press conference, he released Shane Olivea in 2007 and Matt Wilhelm before training camp this year, both players with whom Smith negotiated long-term deals.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
If he's the 80th best receiver, then isn't he qualified for a job as a third receiver for a team? Obviously if he's going to be a third receive then he should be paid as such. But to say a guy deserves to be cut because he's the 80th best receiver in the league doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
80th OUT OF 82 qualifying receivers. IE, there are only 2 receivers that regularly are thrown passes that have worse stats than he [many 3rd WRs don't get much action... heck, I bet some 2nd WRs don't get enough action to qualify]. I'd say that's pretty bad...
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Browns or Rams, I suppose.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
"on which he was the intended receiver." Really? We attempt passes "on" receivers, as though it were an assault?
Chris Chambers was to sure-handedness what Barnwell is to sixth-grade grammar.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Um, fail much?
Chambers was the intended receiver *on* 30 passes.
Therefore, there were 30 passes *on* which he was the intended receiver.
Maybe leave the "sixth-grade grammar" jokes aside until you find something you're correct about.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
"and he'd caught only eight of the 30 passes (27 percent) on which he was the intended receiver."
Actually he was the intended receiver "of" the pass.
I think your point is to make sure you are right before correcting someone. That's good advice.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
did this site ever start an irrational grammar thread? i kind of figured stats nerds wouldn't go in for grammatical debate, but a number of discussions have devolved into arcane grammar disputes.
if not "on," what should it be? "to?" "for?" "of?"
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
I would guess "of", as in "I was the recipient of many lousy gifts last Christmas", rather than "I was the recipient on many lousy gifts last Christmas."
Which raises the question: Why are they called "wide receivers" instead of "wide recipients"?
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
I think you could say you were the recipient on many gift giving attempts however.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Every thread is an irrational grammar thread.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Good point.
No make that, well point. Not that the point is healthy, but the act of making the point was a verb of course, and you did it well. But then again, the point is a noun, so it should be good. So I stand by my first comment. Unless, you continue making good points, in which case you are doing well in sort of an on-going stream of pointness (pointedness? pointility? en pointe? pointilism? Georges Seurat or Edgar Degas should be able to clear up the last two.... Crap! now a couple dead French Impressionists have hijacked this thread hijack! You're trying to take what I've rightfully stolen. This is job for Jack Bauer!) that is clearly both good and well.
I have a headache. Bye.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
I approve.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Well done.
No, good done.
Ah, hell. Good on ya.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
It's a good idea, but I imagine everyone who took it seriously would have his or her (wait, make that his) head explode when they tried to correct a raiderjoe post.
And if we have any discernible values around here, the Right to Post Drunk trumps proper grammar every time.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
And if we have any discernible values around here, the Right to Post Drunk trumps proper grammar every time.
America - F*** Yeah!
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
As dreadful as he is this season, he was mediocre the last few seasons. I imagine a few teams will be interested in a "free" look at him.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
It won't be free, though. He has to clear waivers first. Any team who claims him off waivers would have to pay the remainder of his contract (2.25 Mil) for his services for the year.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
So what you're saying is... he won't be claimed on waivers, and then teams can get a free look at him once he becomes an UFA?
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
This was a good call. Malcom Floyd was better than Chambers last year, and with him seeing more playing time this year, he was bound to push Chambers aside eventually.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
And Naanee has shown great skills as well that complement the towering Floyd and Jackson.
Then fourth on the chart is first round pick Davis, who is supposedly doing very well in practice, and then there's Osgood, who is probably at least on par with Chambers anyway.
Its a crowded bunch of guys and the odd man out was the under-performing old one, as is often the case.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
The Niners will get him.
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
KC gets him.
Actually, the team that ought to sign him is Oakland. They need receivers that can at least keep their feet long enough to watch balls bounce off their hands, and that's Chris Chambers!
Re: Chargers Release Chris Chambers
Did you call that or announce it? Because KC has, in fact, picked up Chambers.
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