Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

05 Sep 2009

Cut Day: Garcia, Pollard, Rhodes, Tyree, and Zach Thomas

We'll update the Saturday cuts as warranted in here; feel free to add your thoughts and own updates in this thread.

So far, prominent cuts include David Tyree, Chartric Darby, and Billy Cundiff.

Colt Brennan appears heading to IR, and Matt Roth is on PUP.

12:21 ET: Add to that list Dominic Rhodes and D.J. Shockley.

1:00 ET: The PFT Twitter notes that Ronald Curry, Darius Walker, John Standeford, and Corey Ivy have both also been cut.

7:00 ET: Let's update with the biggest cuts of the past few hours. The biggest by far is the apparent decision in Oakland to let go of Jeff Garcia and go with Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye as JaMarcus Russell's backups.

Also cut today: veterans Zach Thomas (probably heading for retirement), Ashley Lelie, and Bernard Pollard in Kansas City; tight end Alex Smith in New England (with David Thomas traded to New Orleans); Kynan Forney in San Diego (meaning rookie Louis Vazquez will start at guard); cornerback Marcus McCauley in Minnesota (a 2007 third-rounder); David Patten in Cleveland; D.J. Hackett in Washington; LCF favorite Brian Brohm in Green Bay (which we actually mentioned in a separate XP); defensive end Paul Spicer in New Orleans; 2008 third-round defensive end Bryan Smith in Philadelphia; and the player FO's Seattle crew loves to hate, safety Brian Russell.

These cuts were offset by a couple veteran (very late) signings, with Lawyer Milloy headed to Seattle and Vonnie Holliday to Denver.

Some moves are already listed in KUBIAK projections; others should be in there by late tonight for those of you with Sunday or Monday drafts.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 05 Sep 2009

38 comments, Last at 08 Sep 2009, 12:36pm by Insancipitory

Comments

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by MJK :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 1:01pm

Patriots cut Andrew Walter. With the cut of O'Connel last week, that means the only backup they have behind Brady at QB is undrafted rookie Brian Hoyer. While Hoyer has looked good in preseason action, he is an undrafted rookie. A.J. Feely for Alex Smith or Ben Watson trade coming? Also, you have to think this implies Brady's shoulder is fine.

Pats also cut Billy Yates, an O-lineman who has started in the past and can play G or C. Wonder how long before Cleveland/Denver/KC picks him up...

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by MJK :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 1:09pm

Nothing earth-shakingly surprising so far, except fro maybe Corey Ivy. Isn't he a serviceable #3 corner who played for a pretty good defense? Who's replacing him on the Ravens roster?

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by jonnyblazin :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 5:49pm

He was cut from the Browns, actually.

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by tonic889 (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:42pm

As a Ravens fan, I can attest that Corey Ivy is neither serviceable, nor a #3 CB, nor playing for the Ravens. He'll be lucky if he ever sees the playing field again. Especially while Chris McCallister remains unsigned. Anyway, the fact that Ozzie Newsome considers Frank Walker worthy of a roster spot but not Corey Ivy speaks volumes.

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by glengarryleads (not verified) :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 12:37am

As a Ravens fan, I can attest that Corey Ivy is neither serviceable, nor a #3 CB, nor playing for the Ravens.

Best thing i read all day!

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by zlionsfan :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 1:51pm

I'm guessing Standeford was part money, part skill ... he was listed as a backup to the Johnsons on the depth chart, but obviously last year he couldn't crack the lineup until trades and injuries cleared out everyone else in front of him. With cheaper players and others on the roster, Standeford's definitely expendable.

Of course if this means that behind Megatron the Lions have Bryant Johnson, Dane Looker, and Keary Colbert, excuse me if I'm not exactly thrilled. (Not to imply that Standeford is better than any of them.)

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by Telamon :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 1:58pm

In addition to Colt Brennan on the IR, Chase Daniel has been cut by the Redskins, leaving Todd Collins as the lone backup for Campbell.

It's odd to see Redskins management actually showing confidence in their quarterback for once.

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by buzzorhowl (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 2:39pm

As a Redskin fan, I gotta say I thought Chase Daniel did better in preseason than Colt did. I don't feel that great about cutting him, esp. with Colt on IR.

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by dsouten :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 2:44pm

Agreed. But various outlets are backing off from earlier reports that Chase won't be offered a practice squad spot, so he may still be around. What this may mean is that the Redskins will be able to add one of the new running backs (Mason, Alridge, or Dorsey) while still keeping Yoder as a third TE if Fred Davis continues to be inconsistent.

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by mattymatty :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 3:11pm

Can anyone really "continue to be inconsistent"?

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by buzzorhowl (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 3:38pm

That's all to the good. I think out of those three names we should keep Mason, though I hear Cerrato is irrationally attached to Alridge for whatever reason.

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by DavidL :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 2:13pm

That means both the Giants and the Redskins will carry only two QBs this year; New York cut two of the three backups they had on their preseason roster.

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by Dan :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 4:47pm

Word is that Brian Brohm will be cut. A sad day for the Lewin Forecast system.

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by Sifter :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 6:30pm

Do you think you could add which teams these players were on? As mentioned earlier, MJK thought Ivy was still on the Ravens (as did I) but apparently not. I'd be surprised if most people could name the teams all these 10 guys were cut from without looking it up.

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by Riceloft :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 6:31pm

Jeff Garcia cut by the Raiders...wow.

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by socctty :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 6:59pm

Al Davis-directed move to protect JaMarcus Russell?

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by Insancipitory :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 7:11pm

I'm sure he's a wonderful person, I am truly sorry for his misfortunes, but Brian Russell had to go. Lawyer Milloy might not be the answer, even for this year, but it had to happen.

Seattle Seahawks release Brian Russell, sign Lawyer Milloy for 1 year.

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by Doug Farrar :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:19pm

On the downside, Russell's release means that the animated GIF industry just collapsed. And we may never see another ass-tackle, nor see a safety run a pick on his own cornerback to allow a long TD catch. He was the Scrappiest of White Guys and he will be sorely (un)missed.

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by Insancipitory :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:32pm

I can think of one person who will do his part to keep the animated gif industry going.

http://giftube.com/gifs/520.gif

You're welcome.

This one comes up when searching for Tony Romo animated gifs.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y166/EdRacer71/7136kn.gif
search engines can be better. or not.

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by Telamon :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:54pm

The reaction of the lineman on the left is almost as funny as J-Shock's. I had that gif open on my computer for weeks when it was first made. Always brightened my day.

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by Spielman :: Tue, 09/08/2009 - 8:29am

What game was that from/ I can't remember the circumstances. Missed easy FG?

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by Insancipitory :: Tue, 09/08/2009 - 12:36pm

2005 Giants at Seahawks. Seahawks winning in overtime. Shockey got to witness his special teams miss 3 FGs that day; and his offense commit (I believe) 11 false starts.

The loss really belongs to Coughlin, as it was clear, particularly by the 3rd try that it just wasn't going to happen from long range. They missed from closer earlier, by the time they missed the last one, the temperature had dropped significantly; the stadium is at sea-level, effectively on the ocean, and they were kicking into a light breeze. The way their defense was playing, a good coffin corner punt would have pretty much sealed the deal. But they missed short, Seahawks got good field position, a couple of plays later Josh Brown is kicking one for the win.

Not that the Giants would have even made it to overtime had Shockey not been gifted a TD by the officials. Coughlin would eventually go on to whine about the noise.

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by Insancipitory :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 7:39pm

DJ Hackett, I'll always remember him fondly, but it would seem that this might be the end of his NFL dream too.

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by BroncosGuy (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:04pm

Good job, Bill, culling some highlights from a river of dreck.

I'd like to hear from Oakland watchers (well, sober ones, if any), is Garcia done? Is he really worse than Graddy and (shudder) Frye?

And Vonnie Holliday?

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by Insancipitory :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 8:34pm

Charlie Frye is brutal, he's a professional piñata.

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by Briguy :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 9:35pm

Garcia may have been cut, but it's unlikely that he's done in the NFL or worse than Gradkowski or Frye. According to ESPN, he was cut because he (perhaps rightfully) felt that he was better than Russell and shouldn't have to be the backup. No offense to Raiderjoe, but Oakland isn't winning anything this year with or without Garcia, and it doesn't make sense for them to have a 39-year-old threatening Russell's place as the franchise QB--regardless of how FO feels about Russell's ability to actually become that franchise QB. So yes, Garcia was cut to protect Russell.

Both ESPN and CNNSI ran stories recently about backup QBs, and both sites, if I recall correctly, ranked Garcia as the top backup in the league. It would surprise me greatly if he doesn't find another spot somewhere. The problem is that he probably could have made a difference on a team that really needed a QB if he'd been given a starting spot, and it's too late to give him one now.

For example: would Minnesota have been better off going after Garcia than Favre? I think it's a legit argument. Less distraction, obviously, but more importantly, I think there would be less pressure on Childress to give him the ball in critical situations where, if FO is to be believed, Favre just can't cut it anymore. Favre means more throwing into coverage and less handing the ball off.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 1:17am

I can see Garcia as a backup. But given his style of play, he's as likely to be injured as a starter as a piñata at a boy's birthday party.

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by Dice :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 9:39pm

Skins kept Marcus Mason and Marko Mitchell? Even though they're buried on the depth chart, I hope both see some action and make an impact. Yeah, its only preseason, and against the second stringers, but guys who produce need to get a shot. Maybe they'll dump Mike Williams for Pashos, who can't be worse. I'm still having trouble believing Heyer is the answer.

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by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 1:08am

Mason seems redundant but I love Mitchell. I believe in Heyer as long as he can stay healthy. The real surprise is that they cut Jeremy Bridges.

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by Dice :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 1:30am

I don't think Mason is redundant, and he's certainly better as a backup if Betts or Portis gets hurt, than oh, Shaun Alexander. IIRC, Cartwright didn't get many, if any, carries last season when Betts was hurt. I agree fully with you about Mitchell. Hoping he's another low round/undrafted "hit" like Horton last season. I didn't see much of Bridges, so I can't comment on him, but I'd have preferred he be kept than Mike Williams.

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by buzzorhowl (not verified) :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 5:15pm

I'm probably jumping the gun here, but I'd like Mason better as our third down back than Betts. I feel like Betts has been on the decline for the last couple of years. Maybe having Mason nipping at his heels will force him to be more productive, or maybe he'll just get bumped down on the depth chart if Mason outperforms him. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen.

Marko Mitchell shows potential to beat out Kelly and Thomas for the opposite wideout position, which says just as many bad things about Kelly and Thomas as it does good things about Mitchell himself.

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by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 11:08pm

I think Mitchell could beat Thomas, but he only beats Kelly if Kelly can't stay healthy. I'm hoping Mitchell becomes another Skins late round success. They've had a surprising number lately- Golston, Doughty, Blades, and Horton all in the 6th-7th round in 2006-2008.

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by Dice :: Mon, 09/07/2009 - 10:35am

God knows they need to get some of those picks right. I've always liked Doughty, but I'm surprised anyone else thought they got it right on him. I think he was serviceable for a late round pick that ended up starting by default.

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by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Mon, 09/07/2009 - 12:23pm

"Starting by default" is another way of saying the team thought a 6th round draft pick was good enough that they didn't need to upgrade the position with a veteran free agent or a higher draft pick. Also, "serviceable for a late round pick" is almost always a success. Most late round picks never make a significant contribution.

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by ernie cohen (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 9:53pm

Leave it to OAK to cut their best QB. Garcia to NE.

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by Whatev (not verified) :: Sat, 09/05/2009 - 10:38pm

Well, if JaMarcus Russell shapes up (heh) he can still become Ben Roethlisberger (heh).

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by forcefulmuffin (not verified) :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 11:19am

raiders picked up richard seymour for first round pick 2011

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by forcefulmuffin (not verified) :: Sun, 09/06/2009 - 11:21am

the raiders might have been shaving numbers off the cap in order to make room for seymour, and after having watched all of the preseason games gradkowski looked better than jamarcus and garcia to be honest