Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

15 Sep 2009

Shawn Andrews, Reggie Hayward Done For Season

Ouch! Adam Caplan of Scout.com reports that Eagles right tackle Shawn Andrews is out for the season with a back injury, which puts Winston Justice, who started last Sunday against the Panthers, on the spot. Well, at least they have a little mobility at the quarterback position ... and Jon Runyan, please pick up the green courtesy phone.

Also, Jaguars defensive end Reggie Hayward will be out for the rest of the season with a broken shin. In 2008, Hayward led all ends in Stop Rate and ranked second with -1.3 yards per play allowed. This might have the Jags playing fewer snaps in the 3-4 alignment they want to implement in 2009.

Posted by: Doug Farrar on 15 Sep 2009

15 comments, Last at 18 Sep 2009, 8:18am by Jimmy

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by ElJefe :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 11:24am

Reading between the lines on the Shawn Andrews story:

Unless we see a story in the next 48 hours about Andrews undergoing surgery for back, I believe this is really about his not responding well to treatment for his mental illness. Putting him on IR leads me to believe the coaching staff doesn't feel as though they can trust him, and may then lead to his being released at the end of the season.

Kevin Kolb, congratulations on your first NFL start. But ... we signed Jeff Garcia this week, and since we're going to be adding Jon Runyan next week ... if you continue to look that impotent, you may be getting cut when Michael Vick is able to be added to the roster.

Overeducated Layabout

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by Pat (filler) (not verified) :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 3:37pm

"Unless we see a story in the next 48 hours about Andrews undergoing surgery for back, I believe this is really about his not responding well to treatment for his mental illness."

Why do you say that? Back injuries can be career-enders for offensive linemen. Andrews was very heavy early on in his career, and he could've just stressed things enough where it can't hold up without pain anymore.

I actually feel really, really bad for Andrews. He was medically cleared to play, which means there's nothing structurally wrong with his back... but that's bad, because it means any pain that's left over is probably not really fixable. If he doesn't want to play with pain, it's hard for me to make the jump to "he's still mentally ill."

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by Independent George :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 11:35am

Mr. Goodell? There's a Mr. Tuck on line 1, asking if we can move the Pro Bowl back to Hawaii.

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by bingo762 :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 12:23pm

I think Garcia gets cut after this week so they can bring Runyan back. Feeley knew this, which is why he signed with Carolina. Why comeback for a week when you can be on a team the whole season and probably start? If the Eagles were inclined to cut 2nd round draft picks, Reggie Brown would have been axed instead of IR'ing Andrews.

Ike Reese (take it for what it's worth) speculated that Andrews is physically and mentally fine, he's unhappy with the extension he signed a few years ago(making $750,000 this year). The Eagles brought in his brother and college roomate to try and placate him. Apparently, it didn't work.

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by Joseph :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 12:35pm

Quick q, as I am scouting the Eagles for next week's Saints game. Andrews was (supposed to be) playing RT?

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by Red Hedgehog :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 3:00pm

Yes, Andrews was supposed to play RT this year, but never ended up taking a snap in a regular or preseason game.

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by bubqr :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 5:50pm

Forget the old Justice, the new one is average, at least, and not awful like he used to.

On another note, McNabb injured, Andrews IR'es, lack of continuity, and now Westbrook might have some contract issues... I don't feel as good as I used too about this team.

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by peachy (not verified) :: Tue, 09/15/2009 - 5:58pm

So, lemme get this straight. Last year, Jax took defensive ends with the first two picks of the draft, and then BAM - they lose both starting guards. This year, they pick offensive tackles in the opening rounds, and BAM - they lose a starting end. How many more years of this do we need before they're in curse territory?

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by Bobman :: Wed, 09/16/2009 - 12:00pm

I'd say, conservatively, negative ten. Goes back to their blowout win over the Dolphins in the playoffs after the 99 season. Maybe that's just the TMQ in me talking.

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by Xeynon (not verified) :: Wed, 09/16/2009 - 8:57am

Forget the old Justice, the new one is average, at least, and not awful like he used to.

I predict that this particular reality will take about half the season to sink in, and we're going to have to endure countless "Winston Justice is playing above his head!" stories in the mainstream media in the meantime.

Justice had one horrible game, playing against an All-Pro in a game which he had to start at a position he's not accustomed to playing without adequate preparation, and in which his coaching staff was out-schemed and his teammates played equally poorly (don't forget that the fact that he gave up four sacks means his teammates gave up eight). He played 3/4 of the season finale that year at Buffalo at right tackle after Runyan went out with an injury, and acquitted himself well, which everyone forgets about because it was a late season game against an AFC opponent with no playoff implications. By all accounts he was one of the team's five best linemen in training camp this year. He was a highly decorated player at USC who was a high round round pick - he obviously has some talent, so if he's developed the focus and dedication necessary to be a good NFL player to go with it, it's not at all surprising that he played pretty well on Sunday.

Andy Reid is a pretty good judge of offensive line talent - I doubt he'd be willing to write Andrews off or leave Justice in the starting lineup when there are other legitimate options on the roster (Stacy Andrews, Todd Herremans) if Justice really was that bad.

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by Jimmy :: Thu, 09/17/2009 - 9:38am

He was a highly decorated player at USC

While he was there he also threatened someone with a replica hand gun. Not that the victim knew it was only a replica, they thought they might die. If he hadn't been a star athlete he would possibly still be in jail.

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by Thanos (not verified) :: Thu, 09/17/2009 - 11:28am

And how exactly does this relate to playing football??
Not trying to minimize the situation, but there are plenty of players in the NFL (as there are in every profession) who are just bad people. The coaches only care about how much they contribute to winning or losing the game. The rest is just ammo for contract negotiations, and of course staying out of Principal Goddell's office.

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by Jimmy :: Fri, 09/18/2009 - 8:18am

Considering that he has been in the league for several years how does his performance in college relate to the NFL. Justice (appropriate name) has played in the NFL and for the most part not that well. What he did at USC is irrelevant now he has been in the league a couple of years so I thought I would offer some other info about his performance there. I would argue that the fake gun incident is at least as valuable in evaluating Justice as a game he might have played against Oregon state against some guy who now sells insurance.

Anyway I wasn't being super-serial. Not this time.

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by bubqr :: Fri, 09/18/2009 - 4:18am

It does show a mean streak, you love that in an OL. I'm pretty sure it improved his draft stock.

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by BarryJive :: Thu, 09/17/2009 - 9:57am

Can't wait to see those stories in the mainstream media about how an offensive lineman is playing.