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14 Oct 2009

Vinatieri Has Surgery, Colts Sign Stover

The Colts' Adam Vinatieri has undergone a knee scope that will keep him out of action for 4-8 weeks.

To replace him, the Colts have added Matt Stover, who will play for an organization besides the Browns/Ravens for the first time in 19 years.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 14 Oct 2009

27 comments, Last at 17 Oct 2009, 1:01am by Bobman

Comments

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by Key19 :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 12:39pm

Is Vinatieri pretty much done? Just wondering. I have no idea what the career expectancy is for kickers, but it just seems like Vinatieri is breaking down a lot lately (and isn't nearly as good as when he was winning Super Bowls).

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by Joe T. :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 1:00pm

Well, Stover proves you can hang around a long time. The Ravens cut him loose I believe because Haushka (sp?) was better on kickoffs, but Stover was pretty good from within 40. The Anderson/sen boys, and John Carney all had long careers.

Reminds me of John Hall, who after signing with the Skins was constantly hurt, and washed out after a couple seasons while still relatively young.

Just a thought: neither Tom Brady nor Peyton Manning have ever won a Super Bowl without Adam Vinatieri.

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by PatsFan :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 1:42pm

Joe T. FTW!

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by JFP (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 3:35pm

I see a a new irrational thread. Who is better without Adam Vinatieri - Brady or Manning?

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by Bobman :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 3:38pm

Neither have so-called greats Dan Marino of Dan Fouts. Maybe it's time to reevaluate them through a prism of "what if AV kicked for their teams (when he was 8)...."

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 1:22pm

This may begin the first-ever waiver wire run on a kicker.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 2:25pm

I went to pick him up in yahoo, but yahoo does not have him loaded in the league yet.

I hate yahoo. I should have played on espn.

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"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.

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by JSA (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 7:25pm

Unless you have room on your roster for two kickers, don't pick him up yet, Colts have a bye this week.

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by Bobman :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 3:36pm

Fantasy football aside, I think them cutting Ed Johnson will have a greater effect on the Colts' season. But less headline-worthy right now.

Vinny is more brittle as he ages, they have a punter with a great leg handling KOs well, and Stover has always been reliable. Maybe McAfee (the punter) has been working on long FG attempts--even if he's just 50/50 but the older guys, who are more accurate inside 45 yards, are below that, then it works just fine.

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by Ben :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 4:31pm

Yeah, I was just coming to mention the Ed Johnson cut. The Colts are claiming that it's for performance reasons, and not for off the field issues again, but that's hard to swallow. If he's just playing poorly, you'd think they'd demote him, instead of cut him. Cutting one of your starting DTs mid-season just seems odd...

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by Purds :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 7:19pm

I agree. It seems an odd cut. Perhaps they are thinking they need to be this extreme to get Ed to do work outside of games. The Polian comments indicate he's not been working off the field (poor weight control, work habits), and perhaps they hope no one will pick him up (no one did last year) and that the cut will get him to realize he needs to bring the complete package, not just on game days.

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by Floyd (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 5:00pm

Stover is almost there. He started out with Cleveland. Went to Baltimore when the Browns moved. And now he's with Indy - the team who moved from Baltimore. All he needs to do is play for Cleveland again and the circle of healing will be complete.

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by Yuri (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 8:03pm

He can probably assist with the quarterback problems Cleveland has been having...

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by Bobman :: Sat, 10/17/2009 - 1:01am

Shhhh, don't tell Barry Levinson who will go all Gilooley on Stover if he finds out he's soiling the purity of his time in Baltimore with time in Indy (for the team he would no doubt call the TurnClots if he spent any time with Raiderjoe). Then again, if he finds out that Stover once played for the Browns in Cleveland, then played for the same team called the Ravens in Balt, his head might eplode.

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by C (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 5:18pm

I hope Vinateri's surgen is clutch with the knife?

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 8:21pm

stover gerat kicker one of best ever so getting him good move for Clots. tough to say who better for carere Stover, Vinaterier, Anderosn, Andersen, or the other guy from the saints

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by _Chris (not verified) :: Wed, 10/14/2009 - 10:23pm

Raiderjoe spells like JaMarcus Russell plays quarterback; RJ spelling < OK!

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by DaveP :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 11:42am

Yeah, but you gotta love the "Clots". That's a name that could stick.

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by Dan :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 7:24am

You left out the Chiefs kickers, Nick Lowery and HOFer Jan Stenerud, who are both top 5 all time (probably top 3 along with Morten Andersen).

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by Mr Shush :: Fri, 10/16/2009 - 6:18pm

To be fair, I think there's a case to be made for Stover as the best kicker of his generation/the last decade. He's not in the same league as Anderson, Andersen, Lowery or Stenerud, though.

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by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 1:20am

never said typing was strongsuit, splleing good when typing slow but usually type fast to get more things doen in life that way
secret to typing fast is as long as you get all the letters correctly they can be in wrong order but readre still going to konw word

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by Martial (not verified) :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 11:15am

Dude is just a Taoist master. I feel like I'm learning more about right action every time I read the Raiderjoe.

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by Pio (not verified) :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 11:19am

this is quite true actually, as long as the first and last letters are right the others can be in any order and most folks will barely notice...raiderjoe may be more clever than we had thought.

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by TTLG :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 8:17pm

I just want to know how many tries it takes for Raiderjoe to correctly enter his username and password here.

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 10/16/2009 - 7:10am

dont know what password is just copy and patse it from email get when start acount in septmeber 2008. always do that when have to which is like once every 2 weks or soemtimes 1 weke

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by Hurt Bones :: Thu, 10/15/2009 - 1:23pm

So Stover finally plays for a dome team. He's the all time leader in field goals outdoors.

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by SteveNC (not verified) :: Fri, 10/16/2009 - 3:22pm

The Snickers curse strikes again!