Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

16 Apr 2010

49ers Acquire Ted Ginn

Jay Glazer reports that the 49ers have traded for Ted Ginn Jr.

Adam Schefter says it's for a "late" 2010 pick.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 16 Apr 2010

42 comments, Last at 20 Apr 2010, 12:07pm by jimbohead

Comments

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by BadgerDave :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:05pm

having Crabtree across from him should help Ginn out, now that Boldin is gone, could be best 1,2 combo in NFC West (in a few years)

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by TomKelso :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:18pm

I'm not sure Ginn is better than Early Doucet, much less Steve Breaston. I know he's been nowhere near as productive as Breaston.

And then there's that Fitzgerald fellow -- yeah, the Niners may have upgraded their receivers, but let's not get carried away....

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by jimbohead :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:50pm

Ginn's not going to be #2, that will probably still be Morgan. Ginn's there to be a return guy, and maybe a deep threat in 3 receiver packages, though they like Hill in that role anyways. My guess is that this spells doom for Brandon Jones, who's now essentially 5th on the depth chart at WR, and doesn't offer ST value.

Also, Mortensen says that it's a 5th rounder, which seems to be the going rate for firesale WRs. Not bad.

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by RickD :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:22pm

"(in a few years)"

Yeah, when Larry Fitzgerald retires.

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by alexbond :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:19pm

And yet, Alex Smith is still throwing the ball.

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by drobviousso :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:32pm

49'ers were hard up for a return man too, right? I think I like this move for them.

Do other people get the sense that they've really been making some smart moves lately?

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by Brendan Scolari :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:26pm

Yep. Pretty good move for a kickoff returner and 3rd receiver I think.

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by bravehoptoad :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 6:26pm

Receiver is one of their deepest positions. Crabtree looks like a star; they like Morgan a lot; they like Hill, and the few times Brandon Jones has actually seen the field he's done pretty well.

It's returning they got Ginn for, where last year they sucked.

If it spells the end of anything, it's C. J. Spiller ideas to the 49ers.

I am starting to like their talent -- the only thing I hate is that they're handcuffed to finding a starting RT in the draft. If we had someone half-way decent we could stick there, we could take the best players in our slots. Now we'll end up reaching at some point or another.

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 10:37am

I think a better perspective is they are now freed to take a RT in the first round. I agree with Jimbohead (below) who says the 49ers could even take two OL in the first round. The best available tackle at #13 then either Iupati or Pouncey at #17 could solidify their line like when the Jets drafted Ferguson and Mangold. They could then draft a safety in round 2 or 3 and a speed back like McCluster and seriously compete with Arizona for the NFC West (it's not like the Rams or Seahawks will for at least another year or two).

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by bravehoptoad :: Tue, 04/20/2010 - 11:28am

What if the best available tackle available at 13 is someone like Brown or Saffold? Do you take him then? Even at 17 one of those guys would be a reach. Do you take Anthony Davis? The guy has done nothing good this offseason. See what I mean? If Trent Williams or Brian Bulaga is at 13, great, fine, things are easy.

If there are no appropriate tackles at 13 or 17, it would be nice to have a blue-collar guy like Pashos at RT so you could just take the BPA, because if all those tackles are gone by then, that means teams have been skipping someone really good like Haden or Spiller or Earl Thomas or etc., etc.

The way things are now, if there's an early run on tackles, we have to worry about reaching for one or trading back. It would be pity.

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by jimbohead :: Tue, 04/20/2010 - 12:07pm

That's exactly why I think the niners ought to consider trading up to the browns spot to get Williams of Bulaga. The browns have no interest in a tackle, and the trade could probably be accomplished with a 1st and a 3rd.

But I hear you on haden/earl thomas. Having a truly excellent corner would do wonders for that defense, and allow them to continue getting pressure with marginal pass rush talent. And Lewis at safety scares me.

I just really hope they don't grab spiller. I can't defend it well, but I just have this gut feeling that he's McFadden 2.0. Plus, I don't buy that getting a new RB is the answer for that offense. The LG and RT positions were just so weak all year in every phase. I don't Plus, Alex Smith.

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by Troy (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:41pm

Very smart move by the 49'ers. Hopefully they'll continue the trend and go OL and DB's in the first round.

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by jimbohead :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:58pm

We'll see what happens with OT. If there's a run on them early, I'm betting that they'll trade up with the browns, giving them something like a 1st (13th overall) and 3rd, if Trent Williams is there. Otherwise, there may be no one worth having when 13 and 17 come around.

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by Brendan Scolari :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:26pm

Anthony Davis should be there, and I think they like him.

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by jimbohead :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 3:01pm

My sincere hope is they get both Williams and Iupati in the first. LG was such an incredibly weak position for them last year, and at this point, Baas has no upside. Davis concerns me, just b/c I've heard he has work ethic issues. There's a real danger to becoming to arrogantly reliant on Singletary's ability to shape young men.

But seriously, 2 new starters on the O-line, maybe picking up atogwe at Safety in June (a boy can dream right?), and having a return game? Awesome.

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by David :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 1:55pm

Ted f#~@!ng Ginn?!

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by starzero :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 5:39pm

that was my first thought too

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hail damage

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by Temo :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 9:45pm

He could cure cancer and his name would be Ted Fucking Ginn to me (we can curse here, by the way).

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by Theo :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 5:20am

but at least the niners didn't waste a first round pick on him!

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by Go Pats (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:02pm

It's a good move for a return man that was really needed. He can fly and may help as the 3rd/4th WR and open things up a little for Crabtree and Davis. Good move. Now they can focus on the OL and secondary initially in the draft. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE A 1st/2nd round pick on a QB.

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by Karl Cuba :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:11pm

I'm delighted with this move, I've been irritating my friends with this very idea for a while now. Amusingly, the Dolphins could have had Willis instead of him in that draft.

Personally, I think that while Ginn hasn't been great with Miami, he hasn't been awful either. I thought he had the chance to be pretty good after his second year when he caught 56 passes for 790 yards in an offense that was hardly geared to throwing the ball a lot, particularly with a noodle armed quarterback that doesn't mesh with Ginn's skill set. Clearly he has some issues as Parcells has let him drop to fifth on the Dolphins' depth chart, with some questioning his work ethic and his willingness to go over the middle.

However, he does give the niners two things they need; speed at receiver and a decent return man. If you didn't watch the 49ers last year then look at their returns DVOA, the punt returning alone cost them at least two wins and for much of the season the niner kick returners were a tight end and a fullback. The niners might have made the playoffs if he had only been our returner last year.

He won't be a starter for the niners at receiver but he'll help pin a safety deep on the opposite side of the field to Crabtree and Davis on passing downs (at least as far as Singletary acknowledges the existence of such things, I think he believes that they're found at the foot of rainbows). If it is only a fifth, I love the move.

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by Brendan Scolari :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:30pm

Agreed completely, another smart move. Now we can just hope Baalke knows what he's doing with this draft because the Niners have a good chance of becoming contenders for awhile, especially in their division.

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by Dean :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 2:13pm

My first thought was that shouldn't the headline read "49ers Acquire Ted F***ing Ginn?"

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by Dan :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 3:29pm

Great move for the Niners to get a good returner for cheap (a 5th and about $1.2M/yr). There's been talk of them taking Spiller in the first as a returner and a change of pace back. This lets them fill that special teams need for a lot cheaper so they can use their early picks on more important positions, and if they're lucky Ginn can also add value as a situational deep threat.

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by Led :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 5:07pm

Ginn hasn't actually been a very good returner. He did have 2 TDs against the Jets this year, but if you look at the rest of his career those TDs seem kinda fluky. The Fins had negative DVOA on KO returns for the two preceding years and Ginn was near the bottom of the league in return average with no TDs. This year, aside from the 2 TDs Ginn was decidedly mediocre. I don't know how much of the return performance is poor design and/or blocking by Miami and how much is Ginn, but from the numbers he has not stood out as a good returner. He sure is fast though.

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by bravehoptoad :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 6:29pm

Rats. That stinks.

Still, if he's even mediocre, he'll be a huge improvement over last year.

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by johonny (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 7:09pm

Ginn had several long returns called back while he has been in Miami. The Dolphins blocking was terrible when he started.

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by Rhombus (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 8:39pm

Yeah I'll take mediocre over last year's special teams any day.

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by Displaced Cane :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 5:08pm

Let's review the Dolphins' 2007 draft:
1 - Ted Ginn, Jr., WR/KR, Ohio State (traded for a 5th round pick)
2 - John Beck, QB, Brigham Young (released)
2 - Samson Satele, C, Hawaii (traded for a 6th round pick)
3 - Lorenzo Booker, RB, Florida State (traded for a 4th round pick)
4 - Paul Soliai, DT, Utah (still on the team!)
6 - Reagan Mauia, RB, Hawaii (released)
6 - Drew Mormino, C, Central Michigan (released)
7 - Kelvin Smith, LB, Syracuse (released)
7 - Brandon Fields, P/K, Michigan State (still on the team - and good!)
7 - Abraham Wright, DE/OLB, Colorado (released)

So the Fins turned an entire draft class into 4th, 5th, and 6th round picks, a mediocre DT, and a good punter. And to think that GM Randy Mueller was fired the following offseason -- what a shame....

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by BrewCrew (not verified) :: Sun, 04/18/2010 - 11:56am

Analysis like that shouldn't even be allowed, it's so depressing. Then again I'm a Pats fan, mwah ha ha

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by DEW (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 6:11pm

As a Fins fan, I'm actually kind of irked at this; with Marshall on the team, we could all stop pretending that Ginn was a WR at all and stuck with using him as a return man, where he was actually effective. Unless they're planning on summoning the ghost of Fulton Walker, they're going to need a new returner...

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by johonny (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 7:07pm

I agree. The Dolphins have a lot of late round picks already in this draft. I guess this does free up capital. Kick Returners aren't really worth the money Ginn was making. I don't think Ginn was all that fired up to be a return guy only either.

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 7:52pm

guinn still better than quinn. quinn now with broincs gnn now with 49ers. miani dolphins got more out of ginn (good returner, nondescript wr)) than would have got oiut of quinn (crap qb). also dolphins get more out of ginn than browns get out f quinn.

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by Phil Osopher :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:00pm

two 6th round picks and a good back up RB/FB hybrid type > one 5th round pick.

Quinn and Ginn have both been huge disappointments for each team. Maybe the new Browns mgmt team can actually draft NFL level players and not the suck that they have for the last 20 years.

Parcells has turned around Miami by sheer will. Hopefully, Holmgren can do the same with Cleveland.

BTW, JaMarcus really is a "Grrrrreat Player". ;-) lolol

“You have to learn the rules of the game. And then you have to play better than anyone else.”
-Albert Einstein

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:43pm

only shpwn glimpses so far but has all the tools. onvce put it all together, he going to be force in nfl. up[side is still john elway territpry

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by Red5 (not verified) :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 1:12am

League is littered with players who have "all the tools" but never fully develop. Keep shooting for the moon, joe. I'll be you a case of sierra nevadas jamarcus never is even 1/4 the QB elway was.

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by Red5 (not verified) :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 1:13am

thats "BET" not "be". Shit, did I start drinking too?

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by loneweasel (not verified) :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 9:08pm

For a perspective, Ted Ginn was traded for a better pick than Santonio Holmes.

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by Solomon :: Fri, 04/16/2010 - 10:42pm

If you recall, Ginn, Holmes, and Anthony Gonzalez all played for the 2005 Ohio State Buckeyes. Each player was a first-round draft pick as well.

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by Theo :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 11:46am

... a less bad pick.
How I wish the glass is half full, the glass is still 2 times too large.

close italics

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by Big Johnson (not verified) :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 3:39am

ted ginn? what a useless trade. only when high draft picks turn into backups do they get their own headlines. This is less news than obama checking out that girls as....... politics <<<< oops

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by arb49 (not verified) :: Sat, 04/17/2010 - 8:06am

They only seem to have traded for Ginn himself. Are his family still on the Miami roster?