Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

14 Jan 2010

Drop In TO's Numbers Not TO's Fault

Shocking! I know. Ryan Fitzpatrick and Trent Edwards get to join the Buffalo coaching staff underneath the bus, thanks to this interview with Stephen A. Smith.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 14 Jan 2010

13 comments, Last at 15 Jan 2010, 11:19am by bingo762

Comments

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by bingo762 :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 4:17pm

Stephen A. Smith still has a medium to scream at people and cram too many unnecesary words into sentences?!?

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by Treima (not verified) :: Fri, 01/15/2010 - 3:34am

QUITE FRANKLY, I think he's still under contract with ESPN. HOWEVAH, I hope he crawls back under a rock sometime soon.

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by bingo762 :: Fri, 01/15/2010 - 11:19am

Close. It should be:

QUITE FRANKLY, I think he's still under contract with ESPN at this particular moment. HOWEVAH, I hope that sometime in the near, whether the organization he currently works for realizes it or not future, he crawls back under a rock.

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by bingo762 :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 4:24pm

He will make one hell of a coach someday. Just look at the way he scouted the Bills before he decided to sign with them

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 5:35pm

I think that of the team that wanted to sign him, the Bills were the team.

"Just look at that pumpkin."
-John Madden, looking at the moon.

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by Marko :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 4:44pm

And water is wet. Nothing is ever TO's fault.

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by JoeHova :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 5:16pm

If I'm not mistaken, Quick Reads has mentioned several times that Fitzpatrick is a sub-NFL level QB. That doesn't excuse Owens for publicly blaming him but Owens might not be washed up quite yet.

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by Pat (filler) (not verified) :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 9:04pm

but Owens might not be washed up quite yet.

Owens, 2007: 448 DYAR, rank 3, 28.2% DVOA, rank 5
Owens, 2008: 75 DYAR, rank 46, -5.6% DVOA, rank 56

Yeah, he is. You don't fall off a cliff as a WR with a Pro Bowl QB at 35 and then bounce back at 37.

To be honest it's impressive enough he was essentially replacement-level at 36, but... no, he's done. He's not Jerry Rice.

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by Dr. Mooch :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 9:12pm

What continues to bother me is that FO stats (and even cursory observation) consistently rate Edwards as a better QB. (The exception being only at the end of the season after Fitzpatrick's impressive display against the Colts' practice squad.) And yet the consensus opinion is that Edwards was more useless to the team that Gibran Hamdan.

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by SFC B (not verified) :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 8:57pm

Any chance that a team will take a Moss-In-Oakland chance on Owens and have him suddenly explode when freed from a terrible team?

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by Arkaein :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 9:33pm

"Then if they are doing that job and have that type of title, then they should know and assess the situation as to why my numbers are down. Again, you have mentioned a guy like Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick, when I signed there the coaching staff mentioned to me and they told me that Trent was an up and coming quarterback that can throw the ball down the field, he is accurate so I took them at their word for what they said. I understood that Lee had been there and had been productive the year before."

That's being thrown under the bus? Weak. More like being thrown under and old lady in a wheelchair.

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by MC2 :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 10:45pm

Honestly, what do you expect Owens to say? How often do you hear former great players who are willing to admit that they're washed up? It's much easier to blame the circumstances.

Unshakable confidence in one's own abilities is part of being a great player. That's why so many great players (in all sports) wind up going to a new team at the end of their career and spending a year or two embarrassing themselves. They have to prove to themselves what's already obvious to everyone else.

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by Dice :: Thu, 01/14/2010 - 11:58pm

Personally, I'd like to see more of Fitzpatrick at QB. He's crappy but cheap, you know what he's bad at(everything) and why spend on a good QB with no line? Let the Harvard grad do it. Pip pip!
/sarcasm