Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

24 Apr 2010

Jason Campbell to Oakland, Seattle's New Backfield, and Other Draft Trades

Consider this a catch-all thread to discuss veterans dealt on the third day of the NFL Draft, including:

An estimate, based on the "QB projection without team variables" element of the FO team projection system: Replacing JaMarcus Russell with Jason Campbell improves the Oakland offensive projection by 16 percentage points. (Replacing Gradkowski with Campbell only improves things by five percentage points.)

My big question off this: Who is the new starting cornerback in Arizona? Greg Toler? Ralph Brown?

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 24 Apr 2010

34 comments, Last at 26 Apr 2010, 2:14pm by ChicagoRaider

Comments

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by Marko :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 1:47pm

I propose that there be a new feature this year on FO: An Audibles at the Line every week that solely contains commentary from Chris and Raiderjoe regarding the Raiders' quarterback play. Hilarity ensues.

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by dbostedo :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 2:32pm

+1

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by coboney :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 9:59pm

Only if we get a promise that we don't have to read 5+ essays a week elsewhere by Chris on Jason Campbell. Not that I'm tired of them in the least.

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by Weszilla (not verified) :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 2:00pm

Is Buffalo paying attention? Wouldn't Campbell and Morrison have been huge upgrades?

Captcha: Foolery Projections

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by mattymatty :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 2:30pm

"Is Buffalo paying attention?"

Based on years of evidence you'd have to say clearly not.

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by Ralph Wilson (not verified) :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 6:41pm

I'm paying attention! I always pay attention! Where's my pudding? Did somebody take my pudding? I WANT MY PUDDING!

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 7:42pm

You can't have any puding until you eat your meat

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by mrh :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 10:43pm

nice Pink Floyd reference

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by big_jgke :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 9:39am

Wow, RJ, that's easily the most lucid comment you've ever made. +1

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by GoldenTate (not verified) :: Mon, 04/26/2010 - 1:50pm

Raiders have a good draft, and Raiderjoe starts commenting coherently? WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?!

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by tuluse :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 5:34pm

I'm surprised the Giants didn't make a serious attempt at Morrison.

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by dsouten :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 4:41pm

I eagerly await the verdict on whether or not Jason Campbell is food.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 5:32pm

Jason Campbell going to be geat quarterback for Raiders. Al Davis genus at getting veteran qbs who ild team didnt handle right. D Lamonica, J. Plunkett, R. Gannon all gtrat once put on Raiders helmet. Campbell going to be same. Have qualty backups Gradkowski and Russell. All three good. Uf Campbell get ibjured other QBs can keep team afloat just like when Aikman miss some gams in career but Cowvoys still win wjen Beurelein, Kosat and Gareet play. Great day. Goin to buy case of Sierra Nevada Porter ans celbrate big Raiders weeken

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by RaxGrissman :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 3:41am

I looked this beer up. Glad to see you enjoy good craft ale. Try some Quebec beer if you find it, its dam good.

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by JonC :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 10:28am

OT but any particular brewers to recommend?

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by RaxGrissman :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 2:09pm

Hmmm... Dieu du Ciel is incredible but probably nearly impossible to find. Unibroue is probably the easiest micro/craft to find, they make really good Belgian style beer. Also more likely to find is St Ambroise, who makes an awesome oatmeal stout. But really I could go on forever. right now Quebec's microbrew/craft market must be pretty saturated. There's so many others out there that are very good: Les Maitres Brasseurs, 3 Mosquetaires, Brasseurs et Freres, and on and on.

But yea, if you see Dieu du Ciel you must buy it. Very complex and awesome beers. Plus if you're ever in Montreal they have a rockin brewpub too.

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by Eddo :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 6:53pm

Are you referring to Unibroue's 1837 beer? If so, I second your recommendation. It's delicious.

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by RaxGrissman :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 7:41pm

Yeah that one's pretty sweet, but any of the beers that they put in the big 750ml bottles are pretty good.

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by jklps :: Mon, 04/26/2010 - 10:50am

Jason Campbell is just okay. Gradkowski is way better at anticipating throws than Campbell ever has been.

Be careful what you wish for.

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by ChicagoRaider :: Mon, 04/26/2010 - 2:14pm

Sorry, RD. Russell is not even a good backup. The third QB is going to be Boller or Frye.

And an above-average season will depend on the offensive line improving on last year and Darren McFadden breaking some arm tackles. The first is probably a 3-out-of-4 shot. But the second is less than even money. If he can't break arm tackles his best use is as a slot receiver or kick returner. Damn I wish we had a punt returner like Greg Pruitt again.

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by Gold_Star_for_R... :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 6:02pm

Greg Toler. Apparently, he impressed Wiz enough late in the season that the team feels comfortable starting him opposite DRC.

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by drobviousso :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 10:01pm

This Steelers fan is thrilled with this trade.

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by Theo :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 4:13am

We only need Porter, Haggans and Faneca back to get that feeling...

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by tuluse :: Sat, 04/24/2010 - 10:33pm

ESPN just reported that Campbell was traded for a 4th. Seems about fair to me.

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by Dired :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 12:32am

Per Clayton on ESPN, it's not just a fourth, but a conditional fourth - he has to go to the Pro Bowl or lead the Raiders to the playoffs for them to get it. So they essentially cut him without voiding his contract.

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by Sophandros :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 10:12am

I wouldn't be surprised if the Raiders won the AFC West this year.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 10:21am

The Raiders play in the AFC West.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 10:27am

no surprise if Raiders or Chagers win afc west. only surprise would be if Chiegs or Broncos win diviison.

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by CuseFanInSoCal :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 11:25am

I would. Despite lousy drafts for years, the Chargers own the AFC West, though Denver rents it for the first half of the season.

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by Nathan :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 12:23pm

It's a timeshare.

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by Shalimar (not verified) :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 2:18pm

San Diego isn't really drafting poorly the last 4 years. It just seems like they are compared to the incredible run they had where terrific talents like McNeil and Castillo fell to them late in the first round. It's not that English and Weddle for example are bad players. Smith just seems to get fixated on who he wants the last few years and either drafts them higher than anyone projects or trades up to get them. If you look at the talent brought in from 2006-2009 though, San Diego has still done a little better than average.

And if you look at the lower rounds, San Diego's scouts still have an excellent eye for talent. That is what makes it so frustrating when Smith gives away so many of those picks in his trade-ups. San Diego more than most teams has shown the ability to get quality from them.

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by Brendan Scolari :: Mon, 04/26/2010 - 3:30am

Larry English was indeed a bad player last year, we'll see how he fares in the future.

And while Weddle may not be a bad player, the price they paid to trade up for him, Jacob Hester, and Ryan Matthews was ludicrous and is hurting their drafts. As you said, he really needs to stop with those because SD has been good drafting in the later rounds.

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by Misfit74 :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 1:33pm

Someone needs to tell Eisen about Leon Washington's injury. He didn't "blow out his knee". What a Putz.

He broke his leg. Big difference.

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by alien manning (not verified) :: Sun, 04/25/2010 - 9:14pm

Du Dieux Ceil is indeed the best and most complex brewer of beer I have ever come across but I believe they do not import a single case of beer outside of Montreal Island.