Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

15 Aug 2010

Torry Holt Placed On IR

The Torry Holt experiment in New England is over; he was placed on injured reserve with a knee injury today, and could end up receiving an injury settlement.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 15 Aug 2010

13 comments, Last at 16 Aug 2010, 7:50pm by Ryan C.

Comments

1
by Spielman :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 4:19pm

Will the last member of the Greatest Show on Turf to leave please turn off the lights?

*click*

Thanks, Torry.

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by Mr Shush :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 7:12pm

So which of them go to Canton? I think I vote yes to Faulk (duh), Pace and Warner, no to Bruce (not a dominant enough peak) and Holt is right on the edge.

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by tuluse :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 7:30pm

I think Bruce has a better case than Holt. Personally, I would put them both in.

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by Mr Shush :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 7:53am

Bruce certainly ranks higher than Holt in the career cumulative rankings for receptions (5th with 1024, will be overtaken by Owens this season vs. 11th with 920), receiving yards (2nd with 15,208, will be overtaken by Owens this season vs. 10th with 13,382) and receiving touchdowns (9th with 91 vs. 27th= with 74). He also has more career AV (137 vs. 123). On the other hand, Holt is ahead in career yards per game (4th with 77.4 vs. 19th= with 68.2). He was selected to 7 pro bowls to Bruce's 4 and 1 AP 1st team all pro to Bruce's 0 (though Bruce should be considered unfortunate in that his best season - 1995 - coincided with similarly dominant years from more established receivers by the names of Rice, Irvin and Moore and consequently did not even result in a pro bowl selection).

Seasons above n yards:

1700: Bruce 1, Holt 0
1600: Bruce 1, Holt 2
1500: Bruce 1, Holt 2
1400: Bruce 2, Holt 2
1300: Bruce 3, Holt 6
1200: Bruce 4, Holt 6
1100: Bruce 6, Holt 8
1000: Bruce 8, Holt 8

If you're looking for sustained excellence, you have to lower your bar for "excellent" to 1000 yards before Bruce matches Holt. Only Rice has more career 1300 yard seasons than Holt, with 7 (Moss is also on 6 and so could conceivably pass him). No-one else has ever had 6 in a row, as Holt did from 2000 to 2005. Shift the bar to 1250, and in the aggregate rankings Moss moves ahead and Harrison level, but the run of 6 is still unequalled. Shift it to 1200, and Holt remains tied with Harrison in 3rd but the run is equalled by Moss and thrashed by Rice (9). Down to 1150, and Holt is once again tied with Moss for 2nd and beaten only by Rice for his run of 8.

You know, having looked into this in more depth, I'm still inclined to rank Holt ahead of Bruce, but I might revise my view on Canton-worthiness to probably for Holt and maybe for Bruce. In any case, I'm certain that those two and Harrison are, in some order, the 3rd, 4th and 5th best receivers of their generation (behind Owens and Moss) and reasonably confidant that none of the three are as good as the two best of the next generation (Johnson and Fitzgerald) - though they may all prove to have been more long-lived. That to me is exactly where they should be to be possible but not certain Hall of Famers.

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by Spielman :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:05am

I'm actually shocked by how little I care, as a big Rams fan. Regardless of which guys from that group get into Canton, everything from 2000-2009 for me is marked by bitterness over Kurt Warner's thumb.

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by Dean :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:21am

The feeling in STL is that all 5 go in.

On the one hand, these are the people who saw the Rams, game in, game out. On the other hand, there's also a bit of homerism involved.

My feeling is that Warner, Faulk and Pace are locks (although Pace will be on the Linemans timetable), and that the WRs are both borderline. They wouldn't cheapen The Hall by their induction (ahem, Lynn Swann), but they're in line behind Chris Carter, Tim Brown, and possibly Andre Reed and Roy Green.

On the other hand, their place in line is in front of Herman Moore, Drew Pearson, Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, etc.

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by Temo :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 7:23pm

He'll need surgery on the knee, but this was essentially a nice way of the Pats telling Holt he wouldn't make the team.

Or a nice way of making sure he won't be joining anyone else's team?

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by RichC (not verified) :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 11:24pm

I'm pretty sure we'd see a grievance by Holt if that was the case. You can't IR a player who isn't hurt.

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by Temo :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 2:34am

Well, I'm saying if he has a 2 month injury and you IR him and all that.

Anyway, wasn't being serious. Just trying to stir the nest.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 8:20pm

holt goign to get TV gug sooner or later, good commenator of football. But might be too late for this seaosn. If not itneretsted in sitting home al year then can sign on with travlling circus and show off crooked finger in freak show exhibit

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by Yaguar :: Sun, 08/15/2010 - 11:20pm

"When did I know? Sophomore year. Thomasville High School held me to three catches - three catches for 144 yards and two touchdowns."

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by Bill (not verified) :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 10:04am

Kind of sad...

Even though he wasn't impressive in camp, I would have still liked to have him just for his leadership and locker room presence. They might have ended up cutting him anyway. He was basically the 5th WR behind Edleman and Tate.

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by Ryan C. (not verified) :: Mon, 08/16/2010 - 7:50pm

In other news equally pertinent to the 2010 NFL season, I walked to the gas station today and bought some Oreos and milk. Sorry Torry, you're an afterthought.