Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

26 Dec 2010

Vikings-Eagles Postponed Until Tuesday Night

NFL PR guy Greg Aiello reports on his Twitter account that the Eagles-Vikings game scheduled for tonight will instead be played on Tuesday night. A snowstorm on the East Coast produces the postponement.

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 26 Dec 2010

62 comments, Last at 29 Dec 2010, 1:30am by tuluse

Comments

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:10pm

Shoudltn take a whole dya and night to remove snow at LF Field. Game oculd have been played Monday but this all abotu money. NBC doesn't want to lose vierwers to another game on espn.
Wagkes vs Vikgins sicncne had to be psotponed should have been postponed to next day just liek Giants-Vikigns game.
Wanted to watch wolfpakc=moutnaineers game on tuesyday but now will have to watch eagkes-viks instead becuause NFl always take precident over college games even if college game look liek better game on paper.

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by DavidL :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:27pm

This isn't about snow on the field, incidentally; it's about snow on the roads. The PA-NJ-DE area is looking at a snow-related state of emergency that could last until Monday, and no way the NFL wants headlines about fans crashing their cars and dying when they were trying to drive home from an Eagles game in a midnight blizzard.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 2:47pm

Pansies.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:12am

Personal attacks on other posters are a good way to get banned. So avoid them! -mgmt

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by Jerry :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:10am

This is more likely to be a comment on the league and the city of Philadelphia than an attack on other posters.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:17am

To Jerry,

Bill Barnwell got rid of bad psot. Domebody wrote soemthing bad to FiteOmarTomlin.

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by Jerry :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:24am

That makes more sense. Thanks.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:22am

Correct- it was a comment on the NFL moving the game. Pretty soon we won't see games on ozone action days, etc.
I have taken your prior warning to notice and have not insulted any posters here although I can't say they treat me similarly.

*edit note* I see it (the warning) was not actually directed at me.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:08pm

Ed Rendell echoed your sentiments, in slightly more words:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/moving_the_chains/Rendell_slams_decis...

"I think the fans can make their own judgements about their own safety. This is football. Good lord, Vince Lombardi would be spinning in his grave if we cancelled a football game over this amount of snow."

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by chemical burn :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:44pm

I wish constant homophobic, misogynist, disgusting language with the discourse level of a FoxSports message-board poster WAS a way to get banned.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 11:48am

Just went back over about the last month's worth of posting,
the only possibly offensive words I could find were "fark", "idiot", and "pansy"

I wish making crap up about other posters and trolling them would get you banned.

"Constant homophobic and misogynistic", my arse.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:46pm

FireOmarTomlin, don't take this wrong way, because I've definitely noticed your effort, but I believe some can take offense to the use of "pansy", implying that the league or players or fans are weak or feminine or homosexuals in a derogatory sense.

It bothers me a little bit, but not that much. I can see where others could take greater offense.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:17pm

I only ever meant it in a "weak, or wimpy" manner. No other connotation was intended. If anyone took it another way, then I DO apologize. Guess I can blame my coaches growing up for calling us the word. If I had intended any other meaning, I would have used words that definitely mean that.

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:20pm

Can I call the league or players wimps? weaklings?

Will anyone take offense to that?

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:00pm

Being completely earnest here, no sarcasm intended:

You could try not calling them names at all. A sentence like "This sport's becoming too soft." or "The NFL is taking player protection too far." says almost the same thing, without being offensive to anybody. Even just "typical" is better; discussion can come from that, whereas "pansies" or other name-calling is only likely to lead to sarcastic responses and an argument.

Speaking for myself, it's not necessarily offensive connotations of the words that I notice when reading your posts; it's the frequent lack of actual discussion points. For example, in the Open Discussion thread I really wish instead of "LMAO@Bungles" you'd talk about why you think they're worthy of mockery, maybe describe the play. You're usually watching games I'm not (UK fan here; we usually only get whatever games Nantz/Simms and Buck/Aikman are calling.) so I'm genuinely interested in what's going on. That's why I read the Open Discussion thread in the first place.

"Bungles just totally blew that coverage, nobody near Mason. Easy touchdown for a crap offense. LMAO." Same point; better post.

I may not be saying that all very well; any use to you?

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by Kevin from Philly :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 2:22pm

I would suggest "candy assed" as an alternative. Implies spineless, wimpy behavior, but doesn't imply sexual orientation.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 3:21pm

Are you sure about that? The term "candy-assed" seems like it could be one of those things that originated as a derogatory term, like some guy who has a "sweet ass" or something.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 3:23pm

I second all of this.

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by Dean :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 3:42pm

I'm not one to really care one way or another about coarse language. I've been known to use my share of it. My suggestion would simply be to apply it to the topic rather than the poster if you're going to use it. The above point about making sure you actually have something to contribute is a good one, too, and one we all don't always follow.

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:01am

"We've become a nation of wusses. The Chinese are kicking our butt in everything. If this was in China do you think the Chinese would have called off the game? People would have been marching down to the stadium, they would have walked and they would have been doing calculus on the way down."

-PA governor Edward G. Rendell

This man represents twelve and a half million Americans, and made his comments publicly, with his real name.

I'm just sayin'

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 12:00am

pansy is a flower with both male and female sex organs... FireOmarTomlin is clearly insensitive to hermaphrodites, too, or whatever we're supposed to call 'em now.

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by tuluse :: Wed, 12/29/2010 - 1:30am

I was going to point out that a pansy is a flower, and flowers are not the most sturdy of plants and so the analogy actually makes sense and is not hurtful unless you are unduly sensitive.

As for FireOmarTomlin, I don't generally enjoy your posts, but it's because your tone is so aggressive, and you often post reactions without letting readers know what is happening. So all I read is how you think a coach or player is awful or how you thought something was funny with no context to know what you were talking about. You really need to write what it is you are reacting to.

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by Ed (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 3:08pm

The important question is whether the Tuesday game will count in fantasy scoring.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:06pm

yes, will defintiely ocunt in fantasy. If have Vick, you goign to be happy becsuause will now play on clean field.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:23am

best raiderjoe typo ever?

"ocunt in fantasy"

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Men are more ready to repay an injury than a benefit because gratitude is a burden and revenge a pleasure.

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by Theo :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 4:28pm

I thought football games where always played except for lightning?
This is slowly turning this into a pussy league.
(average fan who doesn't know the details, but I've played in blizzards, even as an amateur)

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by Grizzled Old Scout (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:30pm

This is less about the pussification of the league's players than of its fans. This is a sop to encourage Eagles fans who might have been on the face about a night game in a massive blizzard. Similar thinking, I recall, was behind the Vikings' move to the Metrodome, it was all about increasing the comfort of fans.

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by DavidL :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 5:36pm

Yeah, how dare they not be willing to risk their lives to watch football. What pussies.

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by MC2 :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 9:38pm

Yes, because attendance is mandatory. It's not like they could choose not to go (unless they like the idea of jail time).

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by Dennis :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:03pm

The alternative is eating a couple hundred bucks worth of tickets, depending on how many people are in your group.

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by MC2 :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 12:24am

You know there's a reasonable chance of bad weather in Philly in late December. That's a chance you take when you buy the tickets.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 10:58am

This goes beyond "bad weather", though, at least for Philadelphia. There have been only 20 snowfalls of more than one foot since 1885, according to this article.

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by FireOmarTomlin :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:24am

Funny, they ask the players to ?

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:34pm

woudl love to watch gamde in blizzard at stadium

would hate to drive there

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by Jerry :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:59pm

In an actual blizzard, you'd see more snow than football.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:15am

well yes Eagles-Viks agem today/tonight woudl be like 1948 NFL tutle gsame (Super Bowl -18), 2007 Biles-Browns game, 1982 Diklphins-Pates game, 1984 Brocnos-Packers game and some others. All blizzard games with not lot of points.

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by PatsFan :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:48pm

I was at the 1982 Pats-Phins "Snowplow Game". I don't recall there being much snow during the game (despite what the Wikipedia page says) though there obviously was some. The snow had mostly fallen the night before and that morning. It was damned windy and cold, though. And Schaefer Stadium being what it was, the field was in terrible shape.

It was amusing that Mosi Tatupu (Lofa's father) who grew up in Samoa and who played for USC had 81 yards on 13 carries (though former Raider (and Cranston, RI native) Mark van Eeghen did have 100yd for NE).

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by B :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 6:45pm

Football delayed for weather? What is this, baseball? Next thing we'll have different rules for the NFC and AFC.

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by erniecohen :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 8:39pm

This could loom large if CHI loses next week to GB, because PHL will have to play DAL on a short week for the bye.

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by Adam B. :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 9:51pm

I live about 15 minutes from LFF and have been a season ticket holder for 30+ years. (I'm 38.) There is no way in hell I'd be going in these conditions -- mostly because of the road conditions post-game.

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by chemical burn :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 10:48pm

So, what you're saying is that maybe it would have been irresponsible for the city to allow this event to take place tonight? That the conditions would have unnecessarily put lives and property in certain danger?

Are you sure it's not just that the league is now full of pussies?

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by Eddo :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:11am

Thank you for this. The game was cancelled for the benefit of the fans - the league's customers - and their safety. Not because the players can't or won't play in the snow.

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by Dennis :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:06pm

It also would be a bad allocation of the city's resources to put them towards a football game rather than the safety of the residents.

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by Utvikefan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 10:54pm

Football games cancelled for snow? Seriously? Anyone in Philly that can tell us how much snow they actually have atm? Welcome to football 2010, you can't tackle, you can't guard a receiver, you can't even look at a QB with bad intentions, and now you can't play in the snow. Reminds me of how the NBA became irrelevant.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:16pm

maybe 10 inchehs right now

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by Francisco (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:28pm

Raiderjoe lives in Philly? Awesome. Great game this week, btw-- if the Oakland offense can get consistent that team will be awesome, considering Janikowski can score if they're past the 50.

Incidentally, I demand to know who that is in the ad on the left. It's not Tori Black.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:34pm

well, not in Philly but not far away

tried to go to Tanier book reading of FOA 2010 at collingswood library agust 13 but coudltn quite make it

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by Kevin from Philly :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:25am

Yes, RJ is the pen name for "The Situation".

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by Sisyphus :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:24pm

You know in parts of the country where they get serious snow and declare a snow emergency it means exactly that. You are not to be out traveling on the roads unless it is an emergency; you may be subject to arrest if you are and manage to be annoying enough. They will be concentrating trying to clear the roads and make sure emergency services are available. Road conditions are dangerous and they do not intend to waste time hauling some moron's sorry A$$ out of a drift somewhere because he wants a pack of cigarettes. (Or to go watch a football game.)

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by MC2 :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:16am

There's a simple solution to that problem that doesn't involve arresting anyone - just leave his "A$$" in the drift.

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by Joshua Northey (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 12:10pm

If you leave the care there it is then in the way of the plows. Now before you say something trite asbout the city running over his car with the plow...

The city is not about to open itself up to that potential liability. If he is rich or has a friend who is a lawyer it could end up as a messy legal battle, and it risks damaging the plow.

That said I live in MN and we have several snow emergencies a year and I have never heard of anyone ge3tting arrested. Mostly just hundreds (literally) of cars being towed.

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by Utvikefan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/26/2010 - 11:38pm

Actually, in Utah we do get some bad storms. I think nothing of going to work in 12" of snow. We are higher than Denver where I live, and just across the Rockies. There have been PLENTY of games played during snowstorms before.

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by BDC :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 2:02am

Not in Philly, but over in Jersey we're at 20 inches. Mostly tapered off by now in comparison to before, but still falling (edited to add, another inch in the time it took me to write this). No way this game could have been played, at least not with any fans in attendance. I actually did have to drive around 9PM (fortunately just a very short distance) and it was horrendous. Plows did a great job, but it was coming down way faster then they could keep up. It wasn't simply the amount of snow, it was that it was falling so damn fast. Visibility was also close to zero.
To the above poster, driving in 12 inches isn't a big deal. You're right, by tomorrow when everyone goes to work, things will be fine. Try doing it here, NOW though, and well, you won't find things quite so easy. As someone else pointed out, when a location that is used to receiving snow issues a warning, pay attention, it probably means something.

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by Kevin from Philly :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:23am

Just got to work in Jersey. The snow isn't really that bad - about 6-8 inches, though the roads are kinda slick. Of course, that's with hardly anyone on the roads. You're probably better off staying home unless you have a 4 wheel drive.

It's disappointing, but I think postponing the game was probably the right thing to do. At 8 PM the roads weren't too bad, but it would have been a nightmare trying to get 65,000 people out of South Philly after the game.

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by R. Johnston (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 4:47pm

The fans could have been in attendance, especially if they got there a little early. They'd just never have left. A whole lot of snow fell from a couple of hours before game time through midnight. Imagine thousands, perhaps tens of thousands, of cars in outdoor parking lots, each car and lot covered with a foot or so of snow, the drivers of each trying to leave at the same time. You'd have 30,000 people bunking at Lincoln Financial Field and they'd still be clearing the lots come next Sunday's game against Dallas.

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by Jerry :: Tue, 12/28/2010 - 1:39am

You might be able to strand a crowd in an indoor venue, but not at an outdoor stadium that's not designed to keep that many people inside. The same foot or so of snow that would be on cars would also be on fans. Just imagine the snowball (and other) fights that would break out, especially with no ability to kick people out. (That would be the case anywhere, not just Philly.)

They could have gotten the players and TV people to the Linc and played a game that might have been up there with the 3-0 Steelers-Dolphins game of a few years ago. Getting fans in and out would have been enough of a problem that postponing the game was the right decision.

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by John (not verified) :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 11:01am

What is it with Vikings and snow this year? I'm glad they're not going to make the playoffs, although it would be entertaining to see Dallas clobbered by a blizzard just in time for the Super Bowl.

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by Adam B. :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 1:11pm

The problem isn't so much the postponement as a postponement until Tuesday, which is solely tv-driven. Were these not both East Coast home games they could have done like week one and staggered starts at 7p and 10p.

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by Jay Gloab :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 1:26pm

Well, I half agree with this. When the decision was made at mid-day yesterday, it wasn't known how bad the snow would be by hypothetical gametime tonight; the forecasts had the snow continuing into last night and possibly into this morning, so yesterday it was conceivable that the roads would still be disastrous by tonight.

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 5:18pm

Any of the other UK posters here know whether any UK channel is likely to change their schedule to show this game? I can't find any information on that, but I also can't navigate C4's website because my flash plugin keeps crashing.

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by Dennis :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:09pm

The bigger issue is moving the game to Tuesday instead of tonight so it doesn't conflict with the ESPN game. That's crap, IMO.

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by Eddo :: Mon, 12/27/2010 - 8:42pm

As a fan of neither team, I'm just happy I get an extra day of football.

But it does suck, especially for the Eagles and fans with tickets.