Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

18 Jan 2011

Hue Jackson Promoted to Head Coach of Raiders

The Raiders have promoted offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to head coach. Jackson is apparently considering hiring Al Saunders away from the Ravens to serve as the new offensive coordinator, potentially reuniting him with Jason Campbell.

As the press release noted: "The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation."

Posted by: Bill Barnwell on 18 Jan 2011

67 comments, Last at 22 Jan 2011, 6:24pm by Mr Shush

Comments

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by Jimmy :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 1:46pm

The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation and some others.

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by jebmak :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 9:57pm

+1

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by jklps :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 1:48pm

Rumor has it he has already started accruing fines to be charged when Crazy Al wants to fire him for no reason.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 1:58pm

condolences, Hue

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by Mr Shush :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:03pm

The Raiders are so dysfunctional he'll probably fail there no matter what, but I actually think there's a reasonable chance Jackson will be a good head coach, if not in Oakland then somewhere.

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by Will-I-Am-Not (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:09pm

Will the fire burn longer than his tenure as Head Coach, I wonder?

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by coboney :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:20pm

So where is RaiderJoe? I'd like to hear his take on the newest coach of the Raiders.

On another front this was expected so not surprising at all. Other then the fact it took so long. I do find the thought of Al Saunders being hired a bit surprising - Hue Jackson is an offensive coach and not many of them want to hire relatively big names at OC. But then with the Raiders a lower level big name OC who's old is probably safer tehn someone young as Hue showed Tom Cable.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:23pm

Laughable franchise.

Best thing about it these days is reading RaiderJoe's posts ... let me see I predict something like "Jockson grate coach, Al Davis never make mistake and fined Cable for eating too many doughnust. Riaders will win lockout."

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by BucNasty :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 3:23pm

greta*

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by GlennW :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:44pm

Even Al's press releases are strange, although I think he stole the theme from William Blake...

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by dmb :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 2:59pm

"The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation."

Does this mean that Jackson and Raiders fans will be the interviewees in those Prilosec-sponsored posts next year?

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by wr (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 3:09pm

With the fire in their hearts, they'd be prime candidates for an antacid commercial.

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by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 3:42pm

Madr 1st post before but dudnt take. Will try again tonitr on computer. Smart phone dumb like chief before

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by AnonymousA (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 3:50pm

I find "chief" ambiguous. Is this a dig at Cable? At the Chiefs? Both? RJ is just too deep for me...

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by Chocolate City (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 4:40pm

I just try to let Raiderjoe's posts wash over me like the waves of the Pacific Ocean.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 1:54am

Great, encourage the village idiot. Keep him **** posting in every thread contributing nothing with a gimmick that wasn't funny to start with.

That said, condolences Hue. You'll make a great HC somewhere else when Davis fires you for no reason as the raider's are laughable terrible. I honestly feel pretty bad for the guy.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 1:56am

*laughably.

... almost as terrible as my spelling :P

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by tuluse :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:31am

Who died and made you king of comedy? RaiderJoe is greta.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:22am

Yeah. Most comics use the same routine for 3 years + (HUR DURR I CAN MISPELL WORDS AND ACT LIKE AN IDIOT) while contributing nothing to the discussion.

Elevated football discussion? Good god people stop encouraging him.

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by Whatev :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 5:27am

While contributing nothing to the discussion, you say?

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 11:49pm

1. Read my other posts.

2. Pointing out a troll and asking the community to stop encouraging him is a contribution in my book.

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by some guy (not verified) :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:30am

Have you read all of raiderjoe's posts? If you look past the spelling he actually occasionally drops some bombs out of his insanely detailed football memory, and he's pretty funny too.

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by tuluse :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 2:41am

RaiderJoe may be many things, but a troll he isn't.

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by zlionsfan :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 10:58pm

Wait, he was talking about RJ?

I thought he was telling us not to reply to ... oh, never mind. Right. That would have been terribly ironic.

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by Kevin from Philly :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 5:25pm

What's with the bug up your butt about RJ? A lot of us find him very amusing. If you don't like his posts, scroll past. Sheesh.

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by Spielman :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 4:51pm

That's one of the most uncomfortable quotes I've read in awhile. Sounds more like North Korean propaganda than a press release from a professional football team.

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by V. Barbarino (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 8:10pm

Nice one. I'm still laughing. Although, if one thinks about it, there are some comparisons to be made between the Cryptkeeper and Kim Jong-Il. A messianic complex, a segment of true believers ( not too many left for Al, admittedly )who consider him incapable of doing wrong, and a distinct feeling that his players are trapped under a dictatorship from which there is no escape. Does Al Davis claim to have made 300 holes-in-one? I'm fairly certain many of the holdovers in the front office refer to him as Dear Leader. Does he have nuclear weapons?
Perhaps Goodell should consider the ol' 'carrots & sticks' negotiations to finally get him to sell the team.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 8:35pm

+1 for the original and +1 for the reply. I'd like to see Al issue statements before every game along these lines: "We will rain down on the Chiefs with the fury of a thousand suns to repay the disrespect they've heaped upon us...."

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by Raiderjoe :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 8:46pm

Might happenn, evene though Raiders don't need words to win. Just win, naby. No words needed. Just get offennse out threre on field and take. Raiders don't worry about tkaing what defense gives them. They just take what they wnat.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 4:43am

No offense (I'm partial to the raiders) but Oakland needs a lot more than words. They need a new owner, a more consistent defense, a coaching staff given more than 7 months to develop their players, a decent draft or two out of the past ten years, and a host of other things.

The franchise is a disaster right now - worse or as bad as Denver. Any other assessment is blind and utter stupidity or willful ignorance, take your pick.

As for you, you need a new routine other than blurting out "homer" sentences and misspelling words. It's not cute or funny, it just makes you and this site look like fools.

<--- Oakland homer.

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 7:16am

I feel bad for you. I normslly type fast and do not care if typing errors are made. This is a football message board. Not English class. Get a clue and stop your whining. It makes you look like a nancy.

Look I typed slow and made sure every word was spelled correctly. Happy now?

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by dbostedo :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:59am

+1000

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 3:57pm

FastEddi ... you're wrong.

There are occasions when RJ contributes almost encyclopaedic knowledge of players or games from past history ... and they don't even need to be from the Raiders.

RJ ... normslly?

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by Raiderjoe :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 6:38pm

ha. cant even typre goodcwhen trying to

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:24am

Hey mods. Double standard much?

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by Mr Shush :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 9:08am

Dude, he was taking the mick out of himself for his own typo, not attacking you.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 11:55pm

Your schtick was amusing 3 years ago. It wore thin a few months after that but doesn't bug me too much... other than making raider's fans look like idiots.

That said, I'm more upset with the community and the moderators for tolerating/encouraging you. The adults in the room are at fault here. This isn't the comment section on youtube, this is FO a site I have great respect for. It doesn't need to be serious business 24/7 but good god man.

This site is awesome because of it's elevated discussion, wonderful content, and brilliant outlook (typically.) You do nothing but mash the same bit over and over again - and I'm shocked no one has called you out earlier.

I never directly insulted you "nancy." I've said your bit is old and you need new material. Butthurt much? Whining about whining is pretty hilarious.

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by Mr Shush :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 9:16am

I get the impression you think RJ is a teenager with very little knowledge of football and an urge to pick online fights. I'm pretty sure that in reality he is a lot older than that, dyslexic, and maybe drinks a bit too much, has an outstanding knowledge of football and (especially) football history, and is never rude or obnoxious to anyone. Yes, he takes his homerism a little further than the rest of us, but never aggressively so. And if I had to pick one person, out of all the FO writers and commentators, to be on my team for an NFL trivia quiz, it would be RaiderJoe hands down.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 6:11am

He is a transparent troll and doesn't upset me all that much. The community does for tolerating/encouraging it.

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by Hurt Bones :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 10:30am

Your schtick was amusing 3 years ago. It wore thin a few months after that but doesn't bug me too much

Except it obviously does bug you. RJ writes what he feels about his home team. He's passionate about the Raiders. I think most here have a greater respect for Raiders' fans because of Raider Joe.

I've said your bit is old and you need new material.

In my book that's calling a person a fraud. I would take that as an insult. Do you really think he intentionally misspells words all the time? Try doing it yourself before you suggest others are doing it.

This site is awesome because of it's elevated discussion, wonderful content, and brilliant outlook

All Raider Joe qualities IMO.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:33pm

One of the rules of the site is not to insult other posters. Raiderjoe hasn't broken it yet in a ton of posts. You have. So you won't be posting here anymore.

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by FastEddi (not verified) :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 6:10am

Yeah well if that's your feeling I won't be reading here anymore.

Double standards, hypocritical mods and a community encouraging a total buffoon.

Good stuff FO. Buh-bye.

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by MC2 :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 8:10am

Excellent news. Don't let the door hit you.

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by SarahPalin (not verified) :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 4:15pm

Encouraging people to leave the community? Really?

Been watching this exchange quietly for the past few days and it's pretty sad the way people jumped on "eddi" simply because he thinks RaiderJoe is a troll (he isn't.)

I'm disappointed in some of the responses here. Very immature - particularly from you.

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by Dean :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 4:28pm

I suppose I'd have some sympathy for eddi if I could recall anything he contributed. Maybe I'm wrong but he struck me as a guy who had nothing to say other than that he didn't like another poster. That doesn't exactly add any value to the discussion.

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by MC2 :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 6:47pm

It's not like I asked the mods to ban him, or anything like that. The way I see it, he came on here, acted like a jerk, and then when people called him on it, he whined about how people were being mean to him, and stormed out in a huff.

I'm not sure what it is about him that I'm supposed to miss. Is it the constant vicious attacks on RJ or the petulant "how dare anyone disagree with me" attitude?

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by Mr Shush :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 7:24pm

I do think banning him was maybe a little harsh.

For my money, he was wrong and a little rude, but not aggressively obnoxious in a way that would merit banning. I hope I came across as defending RJ, not attacking Eddi - certainly that was my intention.

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by MMM (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:39pm

I would like to offer my continued support of posts by RaiderJoe. They are a major contribution to these message boards, and it wouldn't be the same without them. He knows his football history. And I am a Chiefs fan.

That said, I would really encourage people to watch the extremely bizarre press conference video. No overhead projector this time, but it's weird to watch Hue Jackson sit there and squirm as Al ravages Cable. Two years from now, we will be hearing what a liar and failure Hue Jackson was and how the Next Coach is The One Who Will Lead the Raiders Back to 1977 with the excellent talent assembled by a bunch of people who do whatever they think it was Al said through his oxygen mask.

Also: Ben Davidson speared Len Dawson in 1970, and it shouldn't have been offsetting penalties, and the Chiefs shouldn't have had to punt. Just sayin'.

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by lljohansen (not verified) :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 5:49am

I would like to also offer my support of posts by RaiderJoe and I too consider him a major contributor to the FO message boards, along with many other regular posters. I always look forward to any reply by RaiderJoe.

Keep it up RaiderJoe, you make this place even better:-)You have even made me search for Sierra Nevada beer here in Copenhagen, Denmark.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 7:16am

FastEddi ... as you say, you are the first person to call RaiderJoe out for his act. That said, I'm not sure there's many others who will agree with you.

RJ ... keep it up RaiderJoe ... the rest of us look forward to your posts ... remember you heard from me first ... "Riaders will win lockout in 2011" ... :-)

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by zlionsfan :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 11:08pm

Actually, he wasn't. From time to time, people have jumped on Raiderjoe for the way he posts ... and almost without exception, they've not really contributed anything to the conversation themselves. Yes, he doesn't type things correctly that often. We can all see that. If the FO guys cared, they would have already warned or banned RJ, but they haven't, and for good reason IMHO.

As others have said, his knowledge is very impressive. I consider myself to have a pretty good depth and breadth of sports knowledge, and yet he's regularly posting things that I didn't know or couldn't remember, and not just the sort of things that a quick Google search could produce. That's why FO supports him (remember the introduction of usernames?) and why the majority of people who speak out speak in his favor.

There will be others who will criticize his posting style (or perhaps some of the same who simply create additional aliases), and they'll get the same reaction, I hope. I don't mind taking a little extra time to read something that helps me learn something I didn't know, and I think most of us feel that way, as you do.

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by ChicagoRaider :: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 11:48am

They invited him to make a contribution to the FO Almanac, right? I think that if you are here reading this stuff, you have to give the people who run this site some credit.

And if anyone doesn't like RaiderJoe's posts, why not just read his name and just move on?

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by MattR :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 12:13pm

It seems the support for RaiderJoe is pretty unanimous. Nevertheless, I'll just throw in here as another AFC West guy who loves RaiderJoe posts. I am a Chargers fan.

RaiderJoe doesn't just have encylopedic knowledge. His thinking is remarkably pithy and nuanced, which is why it always contrasts so amusingly with his typing mistakes.

One final thought: It isn't just the brilliance of content that makes FO such a good site. It is the polite, often witty exchanges as people clarify statistics and their own statements. Occassionally people can become abusive but nothing like the killing fields of Profootballtalk.com or ESPN.

Perhaps those would be a better place for you? I personally hope RaiderJoe stays on, keeps the Sierra Nevada flowing, and the grammar optional.

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by Kevin from Philly :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 5:27pm

If Al had nukes, he'd have shot one off at Shanahan long ago.

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by dbt :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 4:56pm

Hue's a fine coach and I don't see why he won't be as good as Cable.

FWIW the speculation I've heard in the bay area for the last year is that Cable's option was unlikely to be picked up after the jaw-breaker incident.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Thu, 01/20/2011 - 7:22am

I don't buy that rubbish about Cable getting fired because he broke the assistant's jaw. DAvis could have fired him for that last year, it was all reported before the season began.

And as for ... he was taking his girlfriend to away game ... bloomin' eck ... is that really the reason to fire your coach.

In the end, I didn't see hardly any football reasons behind Davis firing Cable. Not even "As good as 8-8 is, and it is our best record since 2002 when I started calling myself owner rather than General Managing Partner, I felt that the team should have made the playoffs but instead it lost games to the Cardinals, 49ers, Miami and Jacksonville. Given this underperformance I chose not to take up Cable's option".

But no ... it was all smoke and mirrors and off the field stuff ...

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by Whatev :: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 10:45am

Why not? His contract ended this season. Is it so hard to imagine a world in which someone didn't think his performance was poor enough to warrant an early termination, but not good enough to warrant a renewed contract? Besides, if they had sacked him last year, who would have replaced him? Now, another option has presented itself.

For my part, I think this is a mistake, since even a great coordinator is by no means certain to be a good head coach. They're trading a head coach who has been doing a reasonably good job and a coordinator who has been excellent (if only for one season) for a head coach whom they hope will be excellent. It's a risky move with only moderate upside.

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by Mr Shush :: Sat, 01/22/2011 - 6:24pm

No, it's a risky move with enormous upside. I don't really expect it to work out, but if Jackson is the next Bill Walsh and Davis lets him do his job (I'm not sure which of those is less likely) it will transform the franchise.

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by rk (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 6:14pm

Hue!

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by Alaska Jack :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 7:32pm

Beat writer Jerry McDonald raised an interesting name a while back: Marc Trestman. Evidently he was the OC under Callahan, and the Raiders had the second-ranked offense in the league, or something like that. He was swept out with Callahan and is not evidently laboring away in the CFL.

Is there a reason he has been exiled to football Siberia?

- aj

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by sundown (not verified) :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 8:38pm

Being that was in the immediate wake of Gruden's success, I'm not sure much can be made of those stats. Obviously nobody else in the NFL was over-awed or the dude wouldn't be coaching in Canada.

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by Lance :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 8:54pm

Shoot. I was hoping he'd stay in acting and maybe do another Wolverine film...

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by alexbond :: Tue, 01/18/2011 - 9:19pm

I laughed

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by Bowl Game Anomaly :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 12:04pm

Don't worry, Darren Aronofsky has your back.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=26135

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by ChicagoRaider :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 9:50am

I think it is obvious that Al believes in his players. Doesn't he always? So he thinks that it is the coaching that is holding them back. He did not think that it was Cable that stirred up the offense. Does anyone else? The defense gave up big plays. Quite frankly, I think this year's improvement in individual defensive performance can largely be explained by the defense not being on the field as much as the upgrades in personnel (and Tommy Kelly finding his groove).

But the defense kept giving up big plays. There were too many penalties. Can't blame the Al for looking for a way forward. And he turns to an offensive head coach who wants to turn the team into a "bully." Sounds like Raider football to me.

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by DP (not verified) :: Wed, 01/19/2011 - 8:00pm

Re: 15 and 19 - I refer to the Raider boss as "Kim Jong-Al"

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by ForwardMotionAllowed! (not verified) :: Fri, 01/21/2011 - 6:41pm

Trestman is indeed the HC of the defending Grey Cup champion Montreal Alouettes. It's moot now that Saunders is in but hey - The CFL is not football Siberia. Well - Edmonton maybe. After his stint with the Gruden/Callahan Raiders he spent time in Miami(OC I believe - correct me if I am wrong) but given AD's record with his coaches in the past some co-ordinators/position coaches are less likely to come back than others - depending on what side of AD's woodpile they were on when they left. Also - in Montreal Trestman's allowed to scheme up all the forward motion he wants and provided all the poutine he could ever need. What could Oakland possibly offer? As for Cable - pros and cons. I think he might be back in his niche in Seattle as a position coach.