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03 Oct 2011

NFL.com Coaches' Film Survey

NFL.com has put up a survey concerning the possibility of making complete coaches' film available online. We heartily encourage our readers who want this as badly as we do to fill out that survey, saying you want this option very badly and are willing to pay big-time money for it. If you don't want coaches' film, please lie and say you do. Let's get that ballot box stuffed!

They're also considering the option of making postgame press conferences with players and coaches available online, if that's your thing.

Posted by: Vince Verhei on 03 Oct 2011

42 comments, Last at 10 Oct 2011, 7:57am by dcaslin

Comments

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by Treima :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 1:50pm

Already got the invitation to fill it out. I know that coaches' film would be absolutely awesome to have for game charting. Here's hoping!

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by Yuri (not verified) :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 1:53pm

The press conferences are usually available (live or recorded) at the team web sites anyway, so it's a low value add.

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by PTORaven :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 2:10pm

Rate your interest level from 1-5

Coaches film: 5
How much would you be willing to pay annually for this service: I would eat my shirt
Post-game interivews: 1
How much would you be willing to pay annually for this service: I would pay $100 annually to not have post-game interviews

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by drobviousso :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 2:17pm

About the same.

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by CoachDave :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 2:47pm

What brand of shirt are we talking about?

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by PTORaven :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:01am

Fruit of the Loom

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by CaffeineMan :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 4:15pm

Yeah, no kidding.

How about paying to be able to submit questions at post-game interviews? It'd be great to possibly have Belichick answer some technical football questions instead of listening to his non-answers to the questions about things like injuries.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 3:21pm

C'mon take one for the team; offer to eat Rex Ryan's shirt for coach's film, and gobble Rob's to miss the interviews.

Or really go for it, and offer to gorge on Buddy Ryan's toga, if you can get the interviews, with all questions submitted by Raiderjoe.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 2:58pm

Fill out gorm will

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by andrew :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 3:54pm

didn't know raiderjoe watched firefly...

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by Theo :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 4:40pm

No no, I love it when the Super Bowl ends and the field is flooded with 2000 journalists asking questions like "Besides the fact that you can't find your team mates now to celebrate the best day of your career, tell us, how does this feel?!!"

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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 4:53pm

I was watching NBA TV the other day showing the Bulls win their final game in the finals, and after the victory all the players just went into the locker room and celebrated with each other. They had some cameras in there and it was awesome. The Bob Costas had to going into the locker room to get the interview with Jordan. He knew he didn't really belong in there and was annoying and he made sure to get the interview over with quickly as a result. It as so much better than the drawn out everyone stand around on the field/court nonsense we have now.

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by John (not verified) :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 5:41pm

I just filled it out, and I can't wait. This is great! I have been waiting a long time for this. We can only hope now.

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by John (not verified) :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 5:42pm

Yes! Finally, I have been waiting long for this. All we can do now is hope.

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by speedegg :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 5:50pm

Sweet! We can see another coach meltdown besides Mora Sr. and Dennis Green.

I mean, the all-22 view would be awesome.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 6:23pm

will watch on computer but any way to mayeb also get this on DVD or blu-ray?

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by robbbbbb (not verified) :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 6:54pm

I don't care about the DVD or Blu-Ray, but what I'd really like is to be able to watch all-22 on my Roku. If the NFL had a Roku app, I'd pay for it.

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by jimbohead :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 9:28pm

I for one really hope the NFL catches up to the MLB in this regard. There's no good reason NOT to stream NFL games live on the roku, and having the all-22 available there on demand would be fantastic. Seriously, if MLB can do it with 160*(28/2)=2240 games a season, NFL should be able to do this on 16 sundays with no more than 15 games in any given day.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 9:44pm

It's way easier to have bandwidth enough over time, it's the 10 games or so that occur simultaneously at 1pm EST that would cause problems.

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by jimbohead :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:31pm

Well, I guess there are two challenges. One is the logistics of getting all the games up and streaming at the right time, etc, which was mostly what i was referring to. MLB does this every day during the summer for 10 or so games. The other is bandwidth. I can't imagine that an entity as big as the NFL would have trouble negotiating a contract that allows for large but extremely predictable bandwidth expansion every sunday/monday night.

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by Sergio :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 7:43pm

My fear is the general populace won't be as excited about this as us football geeks.

Regardless I just posted the link on Finheaven. I urge you guys to do the same with your local boards, including the encouragement to lie about it :D

-- Go Phins!

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 7:43pm

If getting a Roku app woudl help Kevin Harvick win the Nacsra title, then he'd do it becuausue Kevin Harvick wodul do anything to win.

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by Intropy :: Mon, 10/03/2011 - 10:02pm

Given that the TV contracts have a little under two seasons remaining, I'm hoping this is a sign that the NFL is interested a more limited broadcaster exclusivity and in opening up more avenues for getting their product out there to the public.

Crazy idea, what about the NFL providing the in-game announcing and coverage? Then they'd own the rights to the whole thing.

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by Danish Denver-Fan :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:34am

Here's a crazy idea: Why don't the NFL provide NO ANNOUNCING, and give us a feed with the just the stadium noice.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 1:53pm

ESPY tried this once and the majority of people hated it.

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by PatsFan :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:01pm
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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:02pm

ESPN tried it too I believe. They offered no commentary on an alternate channel.

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by Jerry :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 4:46am

The league already owns the rights to the whole thing. Networks are willing to pay exorbitant amounts for this rare programming that draws a young male audience, and the NFL is happy to take their money. (Having the networks pay production costs is a nice bonus.) The system works for the league and for TV, and it's hard to imagine either of them breaking it.

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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 1:53pm

No, they don't have rights to the tv announcers. That's why replays on nfl network always use the radio guys.

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by Jerry P. :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 3:35pm

You sound like a music executive in 1998. I bet they had a hard time imagining asynchronous digital distribution, too.

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by Jerry :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 6:48pm

No snark intended: Please enlighten me about how alternative methods of distribution would impact deals with broadcast television, which shows games live and free for the viewer.

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by Intropy :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 7:06pm

If the NFL wants to distribute the games via other means then they will seek to have more limited exclusivity rights in the contracts allowing broadcasters to televise the games.

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by Jerry P. :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:17pm

No snark intended: Please enlighten me about how alternative methods of distribution would impact deals with broadcast television, which shows games live and free for the viewer.

Sure. Eventually every content producer with means (capital) will realize you can become your own Netflix, rape everyone elses bandwidth, and collect subscription fees doing it. People will even defend this practice as "net neutrality".

Also, ask your question to Major League Baseball, WHICH IS ALREADY DOING THIS.

Most of the world is being run by old morons who can't use their computers. Neither can their secretaries. Instead of begging for what is obviously a giant untapped revenue stream. How about pointing out how completely stupid they are for not having this delivered to market yet?

Watching people beg a corporation to do what is in its best financial (and political) interest is sad.

The NFL owners need better people representing them because the fact that NFL.tv doesn't exist yet is a joke. They don't even own the domain, turn your capitalism cards in at the door, dudes. You don't deserve them. Remember when the Cowboys got made fun of for letting their domain expire? Explain how the NFL doesn't own NFL.tv already in the context of that.

In 20 minutes I could convince Jerry Jones the NFL isn't moving fast enough on this stuff. I could convince him to go rogue and start showing all his games on the internet in Latin America. By the time Roger Goodell gets his head and his ass wired every last one of them will already be able to say "HOW BOUT 'DEM COWBOYS" in a perfect Texas accent. Little latino babies will be born with blue stars on their asses and Troy Aikmen's face will be on their currency.

Or keep hosting one game a year in London as your "Europe Strategy". Maybe in a 1000 years they'll care. Of course, they'll be conquered by Russia by then so better get NFL.ru while you can. Oh wait you didn't register NFL.tv after Major League Baseball went live with MLB.tv because you're dumb. Dumb as hell.

NFL front offices. Call me. You need my help.

No ill will meant towards you, Jerry. You have a great name, after all. I spend my days watching the same failure to adapt everywhere and at some point you have to realize just because these guys were on top of their game in the 60's/70's doesn't mean they are now. I'd much rather deliver my rant to them in the form of a business proposal and make me rich and you overwhelmed with football coverage but since you asked...

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by tuluse :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 8:43pm

I'm pretty sure the tv networks are on this and have exclusivity contracts.

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by Jerry P. :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 10:29pm

I didn't realize America lived in abject terror of lawyers.

"The TV networks are on this" isn't good enough. That's not how it's supposed to work. You don't automatically win when you get around to it just because you're NBC and a bunch of old farts wax nostalgia for the days of I Love Lucy.

Let NBC lawyer up. I need a laugh. If their lawyers litigate like their writers produce content then the NFL will go up against lawyers that were good 15 years ago but not relevant today.

Oh no, they have lawyers, they can't lose. Oh wait, so does the NFL. This is like SCO realizing they suck at making shit. Then just suing IBM. Then being laughed out of court over the course of a decade by Pam Jones and her blog.

I really would like to see General Electric, in court, admit their subsidiary sucks so bad at producing relevant content that they need NFL games to remain viable and need that contract enforced.

At what point will everyone realize that corporations aren't as awesome and all knowing and definitely not as unbeatable as you think. Newscorp wants to ball? Ok. They don't have enough bad publicity and they are not bleeding cash fast enough so they need to pick a fight with the NFL. I am sure public opinion will side with FOX News and the Wall St. Journal over NFL football. Lastly, Danny Rather showed us that CBS doesn't know the difference between documents from a typewriter and documents from a word processor so do they even have real contracts with the NFL?

Call their bluff. Start streaming games. Dare FOX/CBS/NBC to take them to court. The Federal Government of the United States of America DOESN'T HAVE THE GUTS TO PULL THE PLUG ON PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL. Is this not obvious? I dare someone to take away NFL football. Anonymous and LULSec DDOS's NBC/CBS/FOX into oblivion (ask Sony how being douchebags with your use of lawyers works out) and America goes ape.

Show me the man who is dumb enough to pull the plug on NFL football. The NFL needs Smedley Butler to school them up on running a racket or something because no one should be intimidated by FOX/CBS/NBC/ABC anymore.

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by CraigoMc (not verified) :: Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:46pm

"I didn't realize America lived in abject terror of lawyers."

It's easy for you to talk tough when you're not the one who's going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in fees and damages for breach of contract.

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by dcaslin :: Mon, 10/10/2011 - 7:57am

I'm not an expert on this or anything, but I think it works like this:
1) NFL and TV Networks sign contracts
2) Contracts say NFL won't compete with networks for live broadcasts
3) Both sides abide by contract and networks pay NFL per season or per game

I suppose the NFL could intentionally breach that contract and stream games, but I think the networks are probably welcome to stop paying them for those games. NFL teams without network income are going to have a lot of problems (recall concern over Jerry Jones not making rent during the lockout).

I'm sure the NFL is probably looking into other options for future contracts, but this has issues too:
1) The networks aren't going to be as willing to fork over insane amounts of money if they have to also compete with other easily available NFL streams
2) Such streams don't yet function with the reliability of network TV (see major complaints over MLB TV over the past few years). If I'm an NFL owner, I'm going to be very leery of going all in on a stream that might have huge technical problems and lead to both a media fiasco and possibly a class action lawsuit that could put a large chunk of my income at risk.

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by Jacob (not verified) :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 5:10am

Am I the only person who thought that $75-100 seemed like a bargain?

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by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 9:26am

No, you aren't. I was expecting something in the $200 range or higher, similar to the cost of Game Pass in the UK.

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by jake (not verified) :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:12pm

IF you want this to happen, just post this on a Ron Paul forum and tell the PaulBots that this is a GOP Debate poll. Within minutes, the poll will be flooded with your desired results. Foolproof IMO.

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by Brandon (not verified) :: Tue, 10/04/2011 - 12:30pm

While I would like it, why should the NFL charge a lot for it?
Have it a pay service, like $99 for your favorite team for a season.
Now if they add extra service, such as cataloging it (running plays, passing plays, etc) thats extra.

100,000 fans * $100 = 10 million for minimal work by the NFL, just the start up cost. 100K is a made up number, less than 1% of fans, seems reasonable.

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by are-tee :: Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:00pm

I'm curious as to how soon after the game is played the coaches' film would be available.