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01 Mar 2011

Rogers to Saints, Stroud to Pats

OK, this seems to be two veteran defensive lineman signings that don't quite make sense. Well, one of them makes a little bit of sense, Shaun Rogers signing in New Orleans. The Saints certainly could use the help stopping the run. However, I don't know how comfortable Gregg Williams will be with Rogers', shall we say, "more chill" approach to the concept of practice. Marcus Stroud to New England really doesn't seem to make sense, as he struggled early last season when the Bills tried to fit him into the defensive end spot in a 3-4. I doubt he would start: Ty Warren is coming back from injury, Gerard Warren played reasonably well last year, and there's a good chance the Pats could draft a 3-4 defensive end like J.J. Watt.

Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 01 Mar 2011

17 comments, Last at 07 Mar 2011, 3:47pm by Dean

Comments

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by bill (not verified) :: Tue, 03/01/2011 - 11:29pm

4-man front in the absense of elite pass-rushing OLBs?

They did get run on awful hard in consecutive playoff games by the Ravens and Jets...

Bill

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by Allen Iverson (not verified) :: Tue, 03/01/2011 - 11:41pm

Practice... we talkin bout practice?

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by jackgibbs :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 5:56am

I said this last year and it didn't really pan out after warren went down, so I'll try again this year. I think Belichick will move away from the 3-4 since there is more talent on the line than in the linebacking corps. Other than mayo and maybe spikes if he's still good without whatever he was taking, they've got a bunch of JAGs back there who aren't very fast and aren't very smart (at least football smart). But at least they're young, I guess?

I'd like to see wilfork and brace and stroud and warren on the field together. The pass rush may still suck, but they shouldn't get run all over the field anymore...

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by 037LHayes (not verified) :: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 1:45pm

My sentiments exactly. H-E- double toothpicks, I saw Wilfork covering a running back in coverage several times this year so if he can the others can as well..

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by Bobby Wommack (not verified) :: Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:17pm

Spikes was not taking steroids. He was taking some medication for ADD, I believe, and never reported it to the NFL.

Anyway, Stroud will simply replace Gerrard Warren. He just adds depth since our d-line was depleted by the end of the year. He'll fill in when the Pats go to a four man front. I don't think its that bad of a signing.

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by Dean :: Mon, 03/07/2011 - 3:47pm

That's his story. A player gets a positive test and they can say whatever they want. The doctors and teams can't call bullshit if the players lie because they're bound by confidentiality agreements.

That doesn't mean that Spikes is lying. Just that if he was - and they can't ALL be these bizarre unfortunate coincidences - he can make up whatever story he wants and nobody will be allowed to contradict it.

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by Anony missed (not verified) :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 9:17am

Do not question the guru Belichek. He is the master. /sarcasm

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by Cro-Mags (not verified) :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 9:44am

Who's to say Stroud even makes the cut?

For every Rodney Harrison, Junior Seau or Alge Crumpler that work out well, Belichik always seems to pick up even more over-the-hill names that barely make the team, or are quickly cut like Galloway, Tory Holt, et al.

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by dryheat :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 10:42am

Why not sign Marcus Stroud? It seems a low-risk, medium-reward move.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 4:53pm

Agreed. I'm imagining that Stroud can still be effective in a certain specific role, and the Pats have plans to ask him to do one thing and one thing only. Were the Bills asking him to be an every-down player?

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by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 11:35am

Weird. I didn't know Stroud was a better player than Rogers. But that's certainly my opinion now, given the relative ability of the defensive scouting operations in Foxboro and New Orleans.

It makes sense. Stroud is 6'6", 310, according to the news, who knows if those numbers are anything like current. But at that weight he'd be a pretty prototypical 3-technique, a position he once played well in Jacksonville. If the Patriots stay in a 3 man front, he's probably depth, but he's quality depth and this means the Pats don't need to address the position (too early) in the draft.

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by JonFrum :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 12:37pm

First, Stroud provides depth in camp - whenever it happens - and doesn't make the team unless it looks like he's a fit. Second, wasn't Gerald Warren a 4-3 tackle as well? This is insurance, not a starter signing. Just because they signed him, that doesn't mean they'll pay him.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 5:01pm

That's an odd way to judge a player, considering that the teams are concerned with more than just talent here. Rogers is a far better player, and I don't think it's close, but from what I hear as a fan, he sounds difficult to get along with. Yes, the Pats want talent, but they also want players they are happy about seeing and working with every day. Who wants to work with a jerk?

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by Rocco :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 4:09pm

Has Mike Lombardi written a column praising the signing of Stroud yet?

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by dmstorm22 :: Wed, 03/02/2011 - 10:53pm

It's about time for it.

He can just use the ones he used when lauding their acquisition of Derrick Burgess. Kind of like a form sheet. Just erase out "Burgess" and "OLB" and replace with "Stroud" and "DE".

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by td (not verified) :: Thu, 03/03/2011 - 6:04pm

once upon a time he was pretty damned good

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by BenM (not verified) :: Sat, 03/05/2011 - 12:57am

This is essentially the Alge Crumpler signing from last year. Belichick loves to shore up spots he's going to fill with rookies just in case the new guys don't pan out immediately.

I see them taking DL highly in this draft, though probably not til the late 1st/early 3nd due to DL depth in the draft.