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04 Nov 2011

Texans-Browns Q & A

Because only Browns fans and insomnia sufferers follow Cleveland these days, it's natural that Texans fans don't know much about their favorite team's opponent this week. Friend-of-FO, Steph Stradley, asked me to give a primer. Featured: Montario Hardesty could use an optometrist.

Posted by: Danny Tuccitto on 04 Nov 2011

10 comments, Last at 08 Nov 2011, 9:02pm by Clint

Comments

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by johnnie walker (not verified) :: Fri, 11/04/2011 - 11:12pm

Interesting stuff, but I thought pre-Eagles Asomugha played a side?

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by Danny Tuccitto :: Fri, 11/04/2011 - 11:37pm

Hmmm...thought he didn't. If I'm wrong about that, my apologies.

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by lester bangs (not verified) :: Sat, 11/05/2011 - 2:07am

Joe Thomas isn't one of the noteworthy players on the offense?

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by Danny Tuccitto :: Sat, 11/05/2011 - 2:13am

He's not integral to what they do on offense like Hillis, Mack, and McCoy are. He was a couple of years ago, but with the run-based WCO that they're moving to, the LT becomes less important. Running game goes mostly center-to-right-tackle (see our directional OL frequency stats). Short passing doesn't require LT to hold their pass pro for long.

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by GregH :: Sat, 11/05/2011 - 8:55am

I'm surprised you didn't mention losing Eric Steinbach for the year. It seems to me that part of the Browns woes in the running game this year compared to last could be attributed to his absence. Did you just forget about him?

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by Phil opsopher (not verified) :: Sat, 11/05/2011 - 5:47pm

Haden, Joe Thomas, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, Alex Mack, Aytaba Rubin, D'Qwell Jackson are legit NFL starters and would start for most teams

TJ ward, Sheldon Brown, Fujita, Gocong, Cribbs, Ben Watson, and Jayme Mitchel are legit contributors and would be on most NFL teams.

Thats only 14 players out of 53 man roster.

Maybe Greg Little progresses, maybe Evan Moore gets more than 2 catches, maybe is the rest of the roster at best. Hillis might as well be dead with his nonsense. So he isn't even a maybe

LG rookie that sucks, RG 2nd year guy that sucks, RT vetran that sucks and is injured, WR all suck not one play maker amongst the bunch, QB all suck, SS sucks, nickel back mediocre, RB completely and totally sucks dead rats.

Browns o-line is 3 new guys out of 5 and those 3 new guys are downgrades from last year. Not the same line as with Daboll last year, not sure why the author said that. Mack and Thomas only hold overs. Losing Pork-Chop and Steinbach a big deal to suck team w/ no QB, no WR, no RB, and no playmakers.

Browns need playmakers on offense. No one can break a play from small gain to large gain. Not one guy, not ever.

Guess gotta hope the rest of the year is watchable and this next draft is as good as the last Heckert ones.

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by QQ (not verified) :: Sat, 11/05/2011 - 8:51pm

A few thoughts on the article:

-Seems generous to say that Colt McCoy has shown Above Average Ability. I consider above average QBs to be the category including Schaub, Cutler, etc. I have yet see McCoy come close to those QBs. I am not sure I have seen him at the level of shakier QBs such as Freeman or Flacco.

-You say you do not know what the issue is with Clev's Passing Game. To me the answer seems simple, they have no Playmakers or Skill Position threats. The closest they have is Cribbs and he is more or a Special Teams/Gadget Type Player. Below Average QB + Lack of Playmakers = Bad Pass Offense

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by Clint (not verified) :: Tue, 11/08/2011 - 9:02pm

Seems your first question should be answered by your second question.

Colt McCoy can play in this league. If the Browns stand by him you're going to see that.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/06/2011 - 12:02am

I only read this because I can't get no sleep.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/06/2011 - 1:34am

I have no idea why the Browns offense is not functioning either.
2 and a half pieces of the 11 piece puzzle are in place. What ever went wrong?