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24 Sep 2012
Jets fans' worst fears, realized: Darrelle Revis did indeed tear his ACL yesterday and is done for the season.
Posted by: Aaron Schatz on 24 Sep 2012
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11 Mar 2013, 5:24am by
Can Tebow play CB?
It would be funny though.
It can't be worse than watching him play QB.
How about him playing WR? That would be worse.
FO posters are a peacock. You got to let us fly!
based on tebow's combine stats, he could potentially be a very good inside linebacker. he's extremely quick and explosive, but his top-end speed sucks. of course, it would probably take years to turn him into a linebacker, so that'll never happen.
He should be a natural CB. Tebow on the field is correlated with low QB completion percentage.
Karma's a PITA, Jets.
-- Go Phins!
What did Revis do to desevr it?
Stay classy Sergio.
Very sad as NFL fan to see such great player go down to major injury. Revis may never be same again. Had chance to be on alltme top 5 list with Samders, Lane, Haynes and one other (take your pick at a 4th guy) and then you have Revis getting in there too. So that would be your five
Yeah, not a Jets fan, but just as a selfish football fan this is sad. Not just missing out on seeing the best at work this season, but knowing that when he returns he may be diminished and I'll never see how good he might have been. An unathletic player like Brady can come back from this kind of injury and be just as good, or nearly as good, a guy like Revis much less so. But, Wes Welker came back from a major knee injury to be very good so at least it's not hopeless.
The Jets were commenting about "putting some hot sauce" on Reggie Bush. And, lo and behold, Bush goes down after taking a helmet to the knee.
Oh, and BTW, Revis went down without contact.
Saw whole jets dolphisn game until Raiders one started. Jets didn't do anything wrong when tackle Bush.
So don't see how it karmma somemhow for Revis to get ibjured
The comment was explicit, and if you actually read it, instead of reacting in knee-jerk fashion, you'd see that Rex Ryan was commenting on getting his players to actually tackle. Stay classy!
"So clearly, Reggie Bush is, everybody knows, he is a special player. (He) has great speed, that's the first thing that jumps out at you. He's shifty, he runs with a little bit more power than people give him credit for. But, I think the big thing is, his last three home games, he's rushed for over 100 yards. So he likes playing at home, he's doing a tremendous job. This past week in particular, he had some explosive runs. (He) made a great run, the touchdown run (and) he broke like five tackles. Obviously, we have to do a great job of getting a lot of guys to him and getting him on the ground, put some hot sauce on him, if you will."
Agreed RJ, sad for such a great player to get hurt like this.
Revis' injury looked like a couple of the Kansas City injuries from last year--bad leg planting at the worst moment. It will be interesting to see how it effects the Jets' scheme and may tell us a bit about Rex Ryans' true coaching ability with x's and o's. The Pats were 11-5 without Brady. The Colts were a joke without Manning. The Ravens have survived stretches without Lewis and without Reed. How will the NYJ defense fare without its best player?
I wouldn't say the Colts-vs-Pats performance should be chalked up exclusively (or mostly) to coaching -- which is not to say that Belichik isn't a great coach, or that Caldwell wasn't terrible. The Pats had a pretty good team around Brady in 2008; the Colts had been hollowing out for years before Manning's injury, and were dependent almost completely on Manning's brilliance.
The Jets roster is probably somewhere in between those two squads. I think their D can still be above average (maybe), but there's simply no way it will be elite -- too much of what they do is keyed off of Revis taking away half the field, and they don't have any other truly great players on their D (maybe Pouha, I guess). Their offense, meanwhile, is of course pretty severely constrained by mediocrity at QB; it also could conceivably turn out to be slightly above average (though it's not looking that way now), but that's its ceiling. So anyway, how the team responds will surely speak, in part, to Rex Ryan's coaching skills. But he'd have to be the best coach ever to get this team to double-digit wins without Revis. 8-8 or worse looks a lot more likely...
I think this is going to force Rex to completely shake up his depth chart along with his scheme. He's been able to go with a lot of run-first defenders playing a significant amount of snaps in the past, i.e. Bart Scott, Eric Smith, Calvin Pace, Mike Devito, etc. Now he's almost forced to play the speedy guys more like his rookies and guys like Aaron Maybin and Josh Mauga. I feel like he's always been kind of reluctant to play those types for whatever reason and would rather stick with the slow run defenders and rely on the coverage and scheme to generate pressure on QBs. It'll be a lot harder to do that without Revis now. I'm a Jets fan so I've pretty much given up hope on this season, but one small positive maybe is seeing those guys hopefully get a chance and just in general seeing how Rex deals with this huge blow to his defense.
My fourth would be Herb Adderley, but as a Packers fan I'm biased.
This is worse than getting QB1 injured for the Jets. How many teams can you say this for?
Baltimore (Ngata/Reed/Lewis I guess)?
Chicago (Peppers, Briggs)
and I say this a pretty big Cutler fan.
You were watching last year's Calosh McCanie Experience.
I think you're massively under-estimating the drop-off from christian ponder and joe flacco. if either of them went down, those teams would be hopeless. the ravens have already lost their best defensive player, and they're still a force to be reckoned with.
Good point. I kind of had this argument before about Flacco; he may only be an average or slightly above average starter but if the Ravens had to replace him with, say, John Skelton it would be impossible for them to be serious contenders. I don't know if Christian Ponder will sustain his present high level of play but I tend to agree with you about him too.
I agree, for the record. Those teams though are the only ones who comes close. I think tuluse is a little jaded by being a Bears fan. We pretty much saw the depths the Bears will fall to without Cutler last year.
Dolphins could probably enter the discussion with Cameron Wake, but this is streching.
We saw the depths the Bears fell to with Caleb Hanie has the QB. With Campbell as QB, they should be much better.
Campbell is better than 1/3 of the starters in the league, and Cutler is worse than 1/3. This is hardly even a dropoff.
I'm sorry, but I'm a Campbell fan, and even so that statement is complete BS. Please name me the eight starting QBs you'd bench for Jason Campbell.
Also, if you don't think the drop-off from Big Ben (2011's 9th-ranked QB in both QBR and DYAR) or Eli Manning (DVOA) and Kevin Kolb (DYAR and DVOA) or Colt McCoy (QBR) is hardly even a drop off, well, I don't know what to tell you.
Phil Simms is to analysts what Ryan Leaf is to NFL QBs
If you read the comment again you'll see that he put both Campbell and Cutler in the middle 1/3 of NFL starting QBs.
And he's saying that Campbell's in the last 1/4.
Well sure, but to the point he was making that's about as useful as saying that Eli Manning and Ryan Fitzpatrick are both in the group between the 3rd and 30th best QBs in the NFL, so the drop-off between the two isn't that big, really.
ALso, I'm clearly disputing the fact that Campbell is in the middle 1/3, which at the very least would mean you'd have him over 8 other starting QBs. I mantain that such a list does not exist.
You don't know the real Matt Moore.
Jake Long > Tannenhill.
On hard knocks I heard coach Philbin say that he has the comfortable situation where he could win with any of his 3 quarterbacks (Tannenhill, Moore, Garrard).
I think he underestimates the league. They have quite and easy schedule so they might end up with 7 wins, but their QB situation doesn't have 3 equal starters - they have 3 equal backups.
It's the funny way the season works. Their easy schedule can turn hard in the NFL fast. Suddenly that date next week in Arizona doesn't look so soft. Tannehill is getting no favors having to face the Jets, Houston and Arizona in three of his first 4 NFL games.
Wonder why people don't pick on Luck the way they pick on Tannehill. I very much like the job Tannehill has done so far and I think he has a bright future.
They pick on him because he is a very limited quarterback with good potential. he is too dependent on a very small route tree (He throws a decent 10 yard comeback), but misses badly on a lot of throws even marginal quarterbacks make consistently.
I haven't seen him miss badly much of anything, but I'll trust to your judgment, since you seem to know your stuff.
Buffalo - Entire D-line/Spiller and Jackson
Maybe i'm a Bills homer. Fitzpatrick is TERRIBLE!!!
He hasn't been playing terrible so far this year. The dropoff from him to Thigpen\TJack would be enormous, though, especially given that Jackson doesn't know the (relatively complicated) offense yet, and this team survives on running and scheme.
Note that this doesn't mean I think Fitz is some sort of upper-echelon QB. He isn't. He's still miles better than the other options, though.
Key player on Ravens j. Flacco IMO
Ley player Minnesota yeah maybe Allen. If not, then Ponder.
Key playre Cards- tough one. Probably Fitzgerald just becesaause so gerat. Offense would go into shell if lose Fitzgerald. Even with him there offense not great. Like an old box turtle with arthritis but at least can poke head oit of shell.
Defense loaded with goodness. Hard to say who is best. Have maybe four candidates. Have Campbell, dockett, Washington and Peterson.
My knee hurt when I saw that injury. I can only imagine what that feels like and I've had my eyes poked out while giving birth.
All right. That brought a chuckle.
Take it from someone who's torn an ACL. It hurts like a b*tch.
Makes the threatened Revis holdout much easier to understand doesn't it? Realistically, Revis isn't likely to be all the way back until late 2013 or the beginning of the 2014 season, and whose going to hand him the big big bucks unless they're sure (Dan Snyder doesn't count...)?
Phil Simms is a Cretin.
Meh...all joking aside, I have tore an ACL and gotten a bunch of other serious injuries over the years, it is pretty minor in terms of pain for a serious injury.
It doesn't feel good, but it is no compound fracture or served finger. It certainly doesn't compete with a badly bruised scrotum, which can leave you dry heaving for hours. The pain is pretty minor compare to the long term impacts, kind of the reverse
hm ok then it just looked like something that hurts like hell
It's hard to generalize about the pain of tearing an ACL. I've torn one twice: the first time the pain was so bad that I came within a whisker of passing out; the second one hurt much, much less. It depends in part on what other damage you do to your knee once the ACL snaps and the knee buckles.
I've not torn one, but I've had friends do it. One of them walked off the field in relatively minor pain before going the hospital and finding out he really tore it.
I've dislocated my kneecap (stuck over on the side by 90 degrees), and torn cartilage, and it was very, very painful... so I really can't imagine a full knee blowout.
Severed finger? My father lost half his hand after having most of it ripped off by a turnbine that caught his glove. As the turbine was spindling his tendons out of his arm, he had to literally pull against or he would have lost his arm.
Took him nearly a year before he was able to use his arm with a decent range of motion.
I am guessing he would say that hurt more than an ACL tear too.
Would make an ACL appear like cracking a knuckle vs severing a finger.
With more and more of these injuries (at least it seems like it to me), I wonder if there is any movements from players/agents/NFLPA/training staffs/teams to have the players built a little differently.
So many of them are so heavy, and at the same time do not have super well developed legs. Legs for running and lightness, not a strong frame that can stabilize the knee.
Increasing the workout of the lower part of the quadriceps might reduce this kind of injury, and an extra 1 or 2 lbs in quadriceps on each legs (and maybe 5lbs less in upper body strength) would I think go a long way towards saving some ACLs.
"So many of them are so heavy, and at the same time do not have super well developed legs."
That's quite far away from the truth.
I totally thought that was a gag.
Sort of like "Well why don't they just make football players' ACL's out of something stronger? Spandex maybe."
By heavy I mean muscle mass on upper body. And their legs are just made for top speed and agile cutting, they are not generally overall strong. Say for abductions and adductions. Iwas being serious, they are defined in very specific ways instead of being generally strong. They are of course much stronger at adduction and abduction than a layman, but they are not doing layman things with their legs.
You don't think there is any merit is pursuing a more robust less specialized musculature? That seems odd.
A porsche with a fibreglass body might be designed for speed, that doesn't mean it wouldn't be more reliable with a titanium body.
Would that increased knee area musclulature increase the risk for tendon tears instead though ?
Velvet Sky fan
So, is QCIC (not verified) the same person as Joshua Northey (not verified)?
It would seem so.
As a Jets fan I would rather have Kyle Wilson replace Revis, then have Tebow replace Sanchez.
And don't some of these guys recover pretty well nowadays? I think I remember reading that some athletes can come back stronger from a torn ACL.. I read that after Ryan Howard went down with a torn ACL at the end of last season.
Understood. But then, that's not because Sanchez is valuable. It's because he's the only thing standing between your team and a 45% completion percentage.
They do, although it isn't the injury and surgery that makes them stronger, it's the effort put into rehab that strengthens their legs generally.
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