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09 Jan 2012

MMQB: Wild Card Weekend Edition

More Tebow (and Demaryius Thomas) then you can shake a stick at, the story of Tony Corrente, J.J. Watt's pick, and Peter's All-Pro team and awards picks are revealed.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 09 Jan 2012

25 comments, Last at 11 Jan 2012, 2:21pm by tuluse

Comments

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by Mikey Benny :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 9:32am

**weeps**

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 9:50am

1 - Predictable Tebow story for lead
2 - Liked story on Corrente. This is PK at his best
3 - PK at his worst (statements contradict each other) -
--A- Detroit coach Jim Schwartz, after watching his Lions either drop or not make the play on three Drew Brees passes that could have been intercepted.
--B- Is there a more accurate downfield passer in the game than Brees? Can't believe there is.
4 - PK at his worst (part 2) - the entire Pittsburgh is so great because they lucked out with Antonio Brown story. (Almost as bad - the entire how all the RBs left are either low picks or undrafted free agents.)
5 - "Bringing Sam Baker in for extra pass protection is like bring Wile E Coyote in to test product safety." -- Tweet of the Week III FO_MTanier, Mike Tanier of the New York Times and Football Outsiders, seeing Atlanta bring Baker in as an extra blocker in the third quarter Sunday at the Meadowlands. Funniest (yet accurate) tweet I've seen in a while)

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 10:03am

PK at his worst (part 3) - refusing to name a 2nd RB for his all-pro team, but still naming 12 defensive players.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 1:06pm

To be fair, there are at least teams that start 4 linebackers and teams that start 4 linemen.

I don't think there are any teams that start two running backs.

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by Stats are for losers (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 3:53pm

I don't think that every team starts a fullback, either, or even features one on >50% of snaps. Glancing at FOA2011, the Jets, who ran 47% of the time (second in the league), still ran a single-back set 51% of the time, and that was 26th in the league.

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by Podge (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 9:50am

Cam Newton, the best season a rookie has ever had? Better than Lawrence Taylor being voted the best defensive player in the entire league? No.

I'd also like to know what this injury known as "bum thumb" that Von Miller has had is. It sounds painful.

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by RickD :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 2:57pm

Yeah, we discussed this very topic last week and the sentiment was that people are forgetting LT and Earl Campbell.

And possibly others.

I wish writers would stick with "greatest rookie season by a QB". That's already an impressive accomplishment.

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by Phil O'sopher (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 4:10pm

Eric Dickerson 1,800+ yards

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by lester bangs (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 1:50pm

PK, annoying: Making Josh McDaniels a major player in this column, when he merited nothing more than an after-the-fold mention. And King kept coming back to McDaniels, over and over and over.

PK, at his worst: He had about 10 Tweets promoting this column as it went up. He's the only person I've ever seen on Twitter who thinks his content is so wonderful, it deserves the right to spam the Internet.

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by are-tee :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 2:31pm

The only people who get those tweets are the ones who choose to follow him.

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by markus (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 3:15pm

McDaniels seems to be getting a lot of love in numerous places I've been reading, not just PK. Gotta say I can't understand that. The Pats didn't miss a beat when he left, he was an unqualified disaster as a head coach in Denver, and he somehow made the Rams offense worse than they were before he arrived. And even if there weren't those serious questions about his competency, how much difference could anybody make in what will amount to a week with the team prior to a playoff game?

It's noteworthy that the Broncos will see their former head coach on the Pats' sideline, especially given the fact he was the one who drafted Tebow, and it's also weird to see a guy who just got canned be instantly scooped up by a playoff team. But outside the curiosity factor, McDaniels isn't likely to do much to help the Pats this playoffs.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 4:57pm

It's revisionist history. Now that Tebow has hit it big and Thomas is finally healthy, people want to believe McDaniels was onto something. Want to stump a room full of Tebow fans? Ask them who was the first NFL coach to start him. Virtually all of them will say "McDaniels" but the correct answer is Eric Studesville, who was the interim coach after McDaniels was fired. McD was steadfast in sticking with Orton and only had Tebow running a handful of Wildcat type plays now and then. (Which is really odd, given his comments to PK make it sound like Tebow instantly grasped the offense.) Also odd is the fact that McDaniels traded away Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn about two weeks before drafting Tebow, which shows he didn't become sold on Tebow until very late in the game and that he was dead wrong about Quinn.

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by Dennis :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 5:23pm

I'm not sure how it's revisionist history to give McDaniels creidt for the Tebow and Thomas picks. The whole thing started with Cutler mess, which gave them a need for a QB in the first place. Then he refused to play Hillis for some unknown reason, so in his mind he was trading a scrub RB for a backup QB. He didn't project Quinn as a starter at all. He picked Thomas 22nd and then he traded up to take Tebow 25th when nobody thought he was worth a first rounder. Thomas playing well is a credit to McDaniels for picking him. And if Tebow does pan out, then yes, McDaniels does deserve credit for seeing something that nobody else did.

I think that generally McDaniels sucked as a GM, but I don't see how you can't give him credit for draft picks that turn out well.

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by GlennW :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 6:50pm

> I think that generally McDaniels sucked as a GM, but I don't see how you can't give him credit for draft picks that turn out well.

You can't. But let's see how both of these players pan out over the long haul, as both have been mixed bags to date. You're not even going to make the playoffs at 8-8 in most seasons. But this is more typical PK, where the last game or last few games somehow validates a much broader decision, like when PK was slobbering all over Janikowski earlier this season for a game-winning kick 10 years after he was drafted.

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by Kyle D. (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 9:36pm

"I'm not sure how it's revisionist history to give McDaniels creidt for the Tebow and Thomas picks."
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Giving him credit for picking them isn't revisionist history, but with Tebow it was clear McDaniels' system was never going to be a good fit, which is why even with the season lost and his job on the line McDaniels still never made him the starter. I've converted over to being a Tebow believer but he's never going to be the guy to run that sort of offense. Maybe McDaniels saw something nobody else did, but he was never able to fully capitalize on it. And it's impossible to believe he'd ever have converted over to the sort of offense that Denver has employed this year that Tebow has had success with.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:07pm

One of the weirdest draft picks I've ever seen. Not because there was no potential with Tebow, but because I could never imagine him as McDaniels' QB. (This was the guy who thought Jay Cutler was too raw and unpolished for his system and wanted Matt Cassel, after all.) It was the equivalent of Woody Allen announcing he'd discovered the next great action movie star.

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by rots (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 4:37pm

Hey Peter, speaking as a lifelong bronco fan: yes, i still hate mcdaniels. Next time Peter should mention alphonso smith, richard quinn, signing a long snapper for a few million bucks, knowshon moreno, ayers, etc etc etc.

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by dmstorm22 :: Mon, 01/09/2012 - 7:34pm

Ayers did play pretty well yesterday.

The biggest McDaniels move was obviously the Cutler thing, and here is how it breaks down.

The Bears got Cutler and a pick they used for Johnny Knox.

The Broncos got:
- the 18th pick in 2009 (Robert Ayers)
- the 84th pick in 2009 (traded to Pittsburgh who picked Mike Wallace)
- in that trade the Broncos got the 64th pick (Richard Quinn) and 132nd (Robert Olsen)

- the 11th pick in 2010 (It gets confusing from here) which they traded to SF (who picked Anthony Davis) for the 13th and 113th pick.
- the 13th pick they then traded to Philly (who picked Brandon Graham) for the 24t pick, 70th pick and 87th pick.
- the 24th pick was traded with the already gained 113th to NE for the 22nd pick which Denver used to pick Demarryius Thomas. NE traded away the 24th and used the 113th to get Aaron Hernandez.
- the 70th pick was packaged two non-Cutler picks (43rd and 114th) to Baltimore for the 25th pick. Denver picked Tebow, while Baltimore got Ed Dickson, Dennis Pitta and Sergio Kindle.
- the 87th pick they got from Philly got Denver Eric Decker.

In totality, Chicago got Jay Cutler and Johnny Knox. Denver got Robert Ayers, Richard Quinn, Seth Olsen, Demarryius Thomas, Eric Decker, and a pick they used in the Tebow deal.

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by mansteel (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2012 - 12:41am

...and Kyle Orton, of course.

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by dmstorm22 :: Tue, 01/10/2012 - 7:11pm

Can't believe I left that out.

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by Jeff M. (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2012 - 11:01pm

PK implies Fisher won't go to the Rams if they thinks they might move to LA. Why exactly would an LA native and USC alum find that a negative? I'd think the Rams would try to sell him on being the coach to bring football back to his hometown.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:58pm

Good question. Also odd because I've read reports other places that he and his family aren't crazy about St. Louis. Maybe it's the team more than the location?

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by Anonymous1 (not verified) :: Wed, 01/11/2012 - 12:31pm

I can't believe some people still look at the trades of Orton and Marshall as bad things. And it should be well recognized by now that Hillis is a total headcase.

McDaniels made plenty of mistakes, but those weren't among them.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Wed, 01/11/2012 - 1:14pm

The point wasn't really the trades themselves, but how they went down. I've never really liked Cutler, but he was the leader of the 3rd ranked offense in the league and McDaniels sent him packing without even attempting to coach him. You don't see that happen to young QBs very often. Lots of immaturity from both Cutler and McDaniels in that one.

If there were a text book for coaches, the Marshall mess would be an example of how not to try and deal a player. McDaniels needlessly branded Marshall as a problem child and suspended him for the final game of the season only to be shocked that there wasn't more interest in him.

Marshall started out the season understandably in the doghouse for boorish behavior during training camp. By midseason when things were still looking good for the team he and McDaniels were hugging on the sidelines and they fed him the ball 20 times in a game. Yet pretty much out of the blue Marshall was suspended for the season finale versus Kansas City. (Tony Scheffler was also.) There never was a real reason given like that there was some huge confrontation. (With Scheffler, it was supposedly payback for him having questioned the Cutler trade prior to the season.) To make things even more bizarre, they were still mathematically in contention for the playoffs with a win. Yet, playing a Chiefs team that was horrible against the run and with two of their best receivers suspended, McD came out with a pass-happy attack and they ended up getting blown away.

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by tuluse :: Wed, 01/11/2012 - 2:21pm

As a Bears fan I look at the Orton trade as a very good thing.