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27 Dec 2013

2014 Pro Bowl Rosters Announced

The 2014 Pro Bowl rosters were released on Friday evening. For the first time there are no AFC or NFC selections as it's just the "best" players at each position. That should help improve the choices going forward, but it makes past comparisons of Pro Bowl totals even more irrelevant for something like Hall of Fame cases. We also know there will be plenty of players dropping out with injuries, inviting even more alternates. I also have to wonder why voting cannot just wait until next week if it's supposed to be a 16-game season honor.

Not trying to single out one team -- especially the one I embarrassingly picked to reach the Super Bowl -- but it's a tough day for the Atlanta Falcons when Brent Grimes (Dolphins) and John Abraham (Cardinals) have both reached the Pro Bowl with their new teams.

San Francisco sending three linebackers (Ahmad Brooks, Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman) is an impressive feat.

Finally, last year's 2-14 Chiefs had six Pro Bowlers. This year's playoff squad currently has eight.

Posted by: Scott Kacsmar on 27 Dec 2013

51 comments, Last at 30 Dec 2013, 6:35am by Leyoz

Comments

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by kamiyu206 :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 10:41pm

Matt Ryan, Nick Foles, Tony Romo, Matt Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, Josh McCown, Colin Kaepernick, Andrew Luck, and Andy Dalton.

These are the quarterbacks who are ahead of Newton in DYAR this season.

Take out Rodgers and McCown since they only played half season of football. Same argument could be made for taking out Foles.

Take out Ryan, Stafford for not making playoffs. (I know it's unfair, but let's just pretend making playoffs is all on quarterback.)

That leaves Romo, Ben, Kaep, Luck, and Dalton ahead of Newton. OK, Romo and Ben won't make playoffs(very likely), so go ahead and take them out, too.

That leaves Kaep, Luck, and Dalton competing with Cam. I think these four guys are very close if you only count passing. Even their teams' WL records are pretty close. (Kaep and Cam with 11-4, Luck and Dalton with 10-5)

But if you also count rushing DYAR, I think Andrew Luck has to be the guy among that group. The fact that he played behind pathetic OL with limited weapons also helps his case.

P.S. Personally, I don't agree to penalize quarterback for not making PO, and I think Matt Ryan should have been selected. I just wanted to make Newton's case as good as possible. Still, I failed to find the concrete logic behind his selection.

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by dryheat :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:06pm

And if you take out the Sophomore QBs, since we don't know really hoe good they are, that leaves Dalton and Newton. And if you remove the redheads, since red hair is the sign of the Devil, that leaves Newton as the obvious choice.

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by kamiyu206 :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:26pm

Ha! Thanks for the help. Now we know why Cam Newton is a Pro Bowler.

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by RickD :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:02am

The argument for Newton is that he's the leader of a team that's about to go 12-4, win the NFC South, and get the #2 seed.

It's not an argument that will be popular here, but that's the argument.

I don't know if he's the optimal choice, but he's not a bad choice.

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by Duff Soviet Union :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 2:08am

Kind of funny how Newton has "become a leader" hasn't it? It's almost like he was never the problem in the first place and that tying team W-L record to "body language" and "towel placement" is really dumb or something.

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by drobviousso :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 8:33pm

Bro, he's totally worked on his towel placement, and his Superman-shirt-rip intangibles are off the chart. Why the hates?

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by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 11:14am

Brownies got 5 pro bowlers despite probably going 4-12, though (granted, they were not at QB; it's much like the Chiefs getting all the Pro Bowlers last year--it more or less made sense at their individual positions despite the team record.)

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by Otis Taylor89 :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 1:40pm

Look at those receivers and tell me that Cam Newton is throwing to better talent than those guys.
Newton is also the bell cow to CAR's overall running game, something, other than Kaep don't have going for them.
The guy has played well this year - get over it.

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by panthersnbraves :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 12:01am

The Panthers did not have a great line to begin with and has lost what they did to injury. Newton is playing behind a converted DT at RG. Other than an aging Steve Smith, the WR corps is not going to scare a lot of people either.

He and OC Shula have done a decent enough job of making chicken salad out of what they had to work with. Last week was a sloppy game against a top Defense, and he somehow managed to do just enough to get the W.

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by kamiyu206 :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 10:54pm

But clearly, Lavonte David is the biggest snub. Ahmad Brooks over David, really?

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by Karl Cuba :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:20pm

Brooks has had a fine year; I think the real issue is that all the 'outside linebackers' are 3-4 endbackers, the only second level defenders are the inside 'backers. Where they pick Burflict, who's an outside linebacker. I'd take him out for David.

They've basically picked TWELVE pass rushers. It's stupid.

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by kamiyu206 :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:26pm

That's a good point.

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by Leyoz :: Mon, 12/30/2013 - 6:35am

That would have to be the biggest snub right? You could make a case for David as DPOY.

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by theslothook :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 10:53pm

Here are the travesty snubs IMO:

QB: Ben Roethlisburger

G: Evan Mathis keeps leading the league as a guard for the eagles

Lb: Lavonte David(massive snub), Daryl Smith.

CB: argument for Lardarius Webb

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by RickD :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:44pm

Roethlisberger over Manning, Brady, or Rivers? Or are you thinking of Newton?

Big Ben is 11th in DYAR and 12th in DVOA.

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by Hurt Bones :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 10:12am

Webb isn't the best CB on his team. That's Jimmy Smith this year.

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by jonnyblazin :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 8:25pm

I think Jimmy Smith is a better cover corner on the outside than Webb. But, Webb is a great tackler, and is very good at playing in the slot as well as blitzing.

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by drobviousso :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 8:34pm

Ben: No. He's been OK, but not very good this year. I've watched every snap he's taken this year, and just No.

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by Karl Cuba :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:11pm

I was surprised to see Iupati make it, he hasn't played that well and has missed there last three and a half games.

Polamalu?

I'd have had Andy Lee as well as Hekker but then I'd take Lee every year (and I think he's the alternate).

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by Graeme O'C (not verified) :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:32pm

There's really one one massive snub and that's Lavonte David. You could argue positionally for others (like Alshon Jefferey or Mathis) but David should without doubt be there.

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by andrew :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:39pm

There are two punt returners and no kick returner. Are they not doing kickoffs in the pro bowl?

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by RickD :: Fri, 12/27/2013 - 11:46pm

Apparently they've done away with kickoffs for the Pro Bowl.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9525557/nfl-makes-major-pro-bowl-chang...

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by Intropy :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:07am

Steelers fan homer opinions.

Roethlisberger was better than Newton, but a few minutes of thought would probably show a few guys better than either. Newton got a big exciting-to-watch bump.

I'd be curious to see how close DeCastro, Heyward, and Timmons were. Wouldn't call any of them snubbed, but I thought they'd be realistic picks (okay maybe Heyward didn't have enough early season snaps).

Polamalu didn't even play safety all that much. He had a good but not pro bowl level season split between ilb, olb, and ss. I think he got in on popularity and reputation.

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by Theo :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 5:53pm

Ben is good for the Steelers offense, but he wasn't pro bowl caliber this year.
Timmons is the best ILB after Kuechly, Bowman and Willis.
Polamalu didn't even play well at the start of the season. Only after the bye, when he played safety on running downs and inside linebacker on passing downs was when he wasn't a liability anymore.

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by drobviousso :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 8:36pm

If the ProBowl only considered the last 4 or 5 games, Heyward is a huge snub. If it considers the whole year, not so much.

Where that puts him in the voting? Who knows. If he keeps playing well, he should have enough name recognition to get his ticket punched in the future.

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by Intropy :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 1:33am

Like I said I don't think it's a "snub;" I'm just interested in seeing where on the continuum he fell.

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by mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 10:50pm

I'm sorry, Mo Wilkerson and Chandler Jones are much bigger snubs at the same position as Heyward. I can understand being happy with his play in the second half of this year, but the real question is why the Steelers kept Ziggy Hood starting over Heyward for so long.

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by drobviousso :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 11:04pm

Tomlin is obsessed with keeping vets in the starting line up over promising young guys. Always has been.

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by Intropy :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 1:38am

Yes, pretty much. It was pretty clear even at the beginning of last season that Heyward was already at least as good as Hood. But Heyward was younger and improving consistently and Hood was impressing in off-season workouts and nowhere else. Heyward should have started all of 2013 and 2012 instead of just the latter half of 2013.

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by Intropy :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 1:32am

Yeah Wilkerson makes sense. But Jones doesn't, not that they're really playing the same position - but I guess it's still the same category for pro bowl voting.

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by mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 1:49am

I'm biased for Wilkerson, and actually very surprised he did not make the cut, and also surprised no one from the New York teams made it at all. But Chandler Jones has one more sack than Wilkerson on a team that's making the playoffs; he definitely had a deserving season.

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by MJK :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:11am

OK, so I know I'm a Patriots homer, but I'm a little surprised that Chandler Jones doesn't get more respect. That guy is a beast. He was on track last year for DROY until he got hurt, and this year he has done nothing to not live up to his billing. He's rock solid at setting the edge against the run and is a beast of a pass rusher--11.5 sacks so far (tied for 3rd among DE's), and that's playing more than half the season with BOTH starting DT's on IR, so he's playing next to URFA's and street-free-agents at tackle. I certainly think he's as good as Williams or Hardy this year, from what I've read...

Also, I would take Devin McCourty over Troy Polamalu in a heartbeat.

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by nweb (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:23am

LaVonte David, David, David, David. Should've been DROY last year and PB this year, actually should be All-Pro this year, what the F does this guy have to do?

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 1:29am

Play somewhere other than Tampa, apparently. The guy has been amazing. Yet another reason the Pro Bowl is worthless.

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by Otis Taylor89 :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 1:45pm

You lose your team a game by one play that you made personally and it's going to be tough to recover to be a Pro Bowler.

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by Jon Goldman (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 2:47am

Lavonte David was snubbed.

I could make a case for Jeffery, but at least Marshall is there.

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by Anonymous111112 (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 3:57am

Pro Bowl is a disgrace. David and Foles have legitimate cases for NFC offensive and defensive MVP.

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by TomA (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 9:54am

the NFC offensive MVP would be McCoy.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 6:02am

Pro bolw stinks. Fans don't kniw l. David so he did not make it.

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by MC2 :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 9:06am

As someone who has seen virtually every Falcons game this century (and who has no real rooting interest for or against them), I was shocked to see them let Grimes and Abraham go, apparently because they would rather blow the money on the fossilized remains of Steven Jackson, even though they almost certainly could have gotten a younger, cheaper, and more explosive RB in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

Dmitroff got off to a great start, but if he keeps making moves like that, he'll soon be joining Crennel, McDaniels, Pioli, etc. in the Couldn't Cut It Outside Foxboro Club.

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by nweb (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 9:12am

Any insight into how they got the idea that an aging Osi was an upgrade over an ageing John Abraham, never got that. Sure he's a couple years younger but his actual on field production has been below Abrahams, even in recent years at Abrahams advanced age.

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by Jimmy :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:15pm

So, everyone going to watch this game then? What a great roster, who are they playing against again? Themselves wow that is pretty crazy. With a draft at the end of January by two guys who never played anywhere near the line of scrimmage but who are both really famous. No one (repeat no one) could call this contrived. I mean this is waaaay better than just dropping the stupid game and consigning it to history where it should be. Anyone remember anything about previous pro bowls? Strange because I can recall all sorts of stuff about playoff games. It is almost as though there is absolutely no decent reason to keep playing this game.

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by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 1:06pm

As someone who sees Joe Thomas playing in it as the high point of every season (besides the draft, and the occasional upset against a team like the 2010 Pats or Saints,) and gets to see even more Browns in it this year, I've never been in the "Pro Bowl is terrible" camp.

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by TomC :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:37pm

I actually think this year's selections are better than usual. L. David is the only real facepalm omission, and there are guys on the roster this year that I expected to not see and be able to complain about (McCoy, Quinn, Burfict). I also think there are fewer than usual reputation picks---Polamalu, obviously, maybe Yanda as well (I haven't noticed him in particular, but how can anyone from that line this year be a pro bowler?).

Oh, and I love B. Marshall, but there are at least 3 guys I'd put in there over him, including his stablemate Jeffery (Nelson & K. Allen being the other 2).

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by Hurt Bones :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 12:46pm

Yanda should not be a Pro Bowler this year. He's been recovering from off season surgery. Though he should have been a Pro Bowler in 2010 and wasn't, so call it a belated honor.

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by graywh :: Sat, 12/28/2013 - 9:37pm

Jurrell Casey deserved a spot.

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by MC2 :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 1:42am

So, if one team drafts Antonio Brown as a WR, can the other team draft him as a PR? You know, like a beer league softball game, where the best player gets to bat for both sides?

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by Bobman :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 4:25am

Might as well. That would be awesome. But of course he gets double checks!

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by Jeff88 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 11:46am

Doesn't snyone realize that the Pro Bowl is a badly orchestrated "homecoming queen" pageant? At the end of the day, players legacies are cemented by Pro Bowl and All-Pro votes. Not to mention contract negotiations.

Does anyone think that Polamalu deserved it over McCourty? How has Evan Mathis not made 1 Pro Bowl, not to mention an All-Pro since 2011? They picked like 10 pass rushers for OLB, how is Lavonte David not even on there? Also how did Muhammad Wilkerson not make it?

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by LionInAZ :: Sun, 12/29/2013 - 7:53pm

Just come out and say that you hate that fans get to vote for Pro Bowl teams. While we're at it, why not limit voting in congressional and presidential elections only to politicians and landowners?

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by Guest789 :: Mon, 12/30/2013 - 5:52am

What? That's so irrelevant that it's not even funny. Of course the Pro Bowl is a joke, where players are elected entirely based on reputation. The worst thing is when people use evidence like "He made 3 Pro bowls" to argue that someone is a good player.

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