Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

30 Aug 2013

Final Cuts Thread

Now it's time for the easiest part of any coach's job. The cuts. Although I wasn't able to cut everyone I wanted to, I have cut a lot of you. Wendell is cut. Rudy is cut. Janey, you're gone. Steven, I like your hustle. [Steven smiles] That's why it was so hard to cut you.

NFL 53-man rosters are supposed to be finalized by Saturday. The link will take you to PFT's (continuously updated) list of cuts and reported cuts. Some big names that have been given the axe so far (as of 6:30 ET on Friday) include J'Marcus Webb, Brian Banks, Jake Ballard, and Matt Leinart.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 30 Aug 2013

45 comments, Last at 02 Sep 2013, 11:05pm by justanothersteve

Comments

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by MJK :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 6:50pm

So now it looke like two undrafted rookie pass catchers are not only making the Pats final 53, but will be featured players, at least early on. KT and now, probably, Zac Sudfeld. (Or else, why would the Pats have cut both Ballard and Fells). I don't see Gronk coming back that early, and Ho-ho is not a star pass catcher...

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by apbadogs :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 9:14am

FWIW I heard Matthew Berry say he thinks Sudfeld will be a top 10 TE this year.

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by Gorilla Graham (not verified) :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 3:18pm

This is not judgment on Sudfeld, but I can't imagine using Matt Berry as an actual source for any useful, real world information.

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by apbadogs :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 5:31pm

But, but, ESPNRadio has had him on everyday for about the past 2 weeks!

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by Gorilla Graham (not verified) :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 7:16pm

Heh. Well, I suppose he's better than Herm Edwards, who has become a parody of something deeply unsavory.

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by JFP :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 6:51pm

Kind of bummed about Jake Ballard. He signed autographs for my buddy's kids at Pats camp. Seems like a decent guy so I hope someone signs him.

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by PatsFan :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 9:07pm

Ballard was moving awfully slowly. I suspect the knee still hasn't fully recovered from the microfracture surgery.

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by akn :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 7:15pm

J'Marcus Webb is a "big name" cut only in that he somehow managed to last this long. Good riddance.

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by Marko :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 8:07pm

Yes, good riddance. I'm sure Clay Matthews and Jared Allen will miss him. But I won't. Thankfully, Emery and Trestman saw what was obvious to sentient Bears fans. I'm also glad they cut TE Fendi Onobun, who has tremendous physical ability but simply can't catch the ball and can't avoid holding or false start penalties.

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by TomC :: Fri, 08/30/2013 - 8:20pm

If they had kept Fendi, I would have lost a great deal of confidence in this front office & coaching staff. He was such a classic Lovie/Angelo wishful thinking guy.

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by Roch Bear :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 12:07pm

Amen, brother. It is also amusing that the GM, Emery, and the new coaches have ended up keeping 9 OLs, exactly *one* of whom was on the 53 kept this time last year. Over the last two years, of course, the Bears OL has had as little talent as any in the NFL, imo. Nice to see the sweep out.

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 3:25pm

The Vikings have claimed J'Marcus Webb. Hah! Good luck with that if he ends up having a significant role. I hope he does play in Week 2 so he can be abused by Julius Peppers, Corey Wootton and Shea McClellin in a game the way they abused him in practice.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 6:12pm

They probably liked the option of Charlie Johnson backing up at tackle even less. Here's hoping Loadholdt and Kalil stay healthy. Did the Bears ever work Webb out at guard?

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by Roch Bear :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 10:45pm

Pretty sure never. RT and LT a lot. Remarkably peculiar head case. All last year he was an almost adequate starting LT. This preseason he could not hold his own against 2nd and 3rd string guys (as a RT but he has had a lot of work at RT). I'd be shocked if Webb can be a jack-of-all-trade guy, able to come in and play any of (say) 4 positions.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 10:18am

Another possibility is that the Bears play the Vikings in weeks two, have a new offense, and the Vikings want to bring Webb in for a couple weeks for a pump and dump. They have a backup o-lineman coming off suspension after week four, so if Webb shows nothing in practice against some pretty good pass rushers, they'll cut him after gaining as much information they can about what Trestman plans to do.

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by Jimmy :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 11:45am

I wouldn't recommend it, Webb doesn't come across as the most astute guy. The fact is that he was a reasonable tackle as long as he isn't being asked to block Pro Bowlers like Matthews, Allen or (I suspect) Peppers. In retrospect maybe he would have been better going out of the division.

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by JFP :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 11:08am

I always knew the Dark Lord BB and Tebow couldn't coexist.

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by apbadogs :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 11:10am

Patriots release Tebow, is his NFL career over?

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by RickD :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 1:47pm

One can hope.

What gets me are the people who say things like "Why doesn't he just play tight end?" or "Why doesn't he play running back?" as if Tebow would immediately play these positions at a level high enough to make an NFL roster.

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by apbadogs :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 5:32pm

I agree and I don't think anyone with any concept of how hard each position in the NFL is to play has said this. It's mostly talk radio and idiotic fans.

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by PatsFan :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 11:46am

Whoa! Pats cut Space Emperor Zoltan Mesko in favor of rookie Ryan Allen.

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by Karma Coma :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 12:52pm

The salary difference is about $1 million this year, but then they'd have to sign Mesko for probably $3 mil/year to keep him versus paying Allen $500K/yr. Saving $6 mil + a signing bonus over the next three years for roughly equivalent performance at the position is a no brainer.

"Profit is limit ONLY by your ability to BANG SPORK"

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by RickD :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 1:45pm

Zoltan has a great name, but he was a bottom tier punter last season.

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by Waverly :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 11:07am

Maybe they figure that if they "never" punt, why spend the money?

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by herewegobrowniesherewego (not verified) :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 4:13pm

Jim Harbaugh brought back Owen Marecic pretty quickly after the Browns cut him, also reuniting him with Colt McCoy, Phil Dawson, and nearly with Seneca Wallace.

I know he played in the system and all, but Marecic is BAD! And yet it's looking like the Niners, despite all their depth, will find a spot for him.

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by Karl Cuba :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 8:01pm

I'm with you on this, I don't get it.

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 7:42pm

Didn't see this thread until after I saw the separate Tebow thread. I'm disappointed the Packers cut Vince Young. I can only guess either TT plans on picking up another team's cut QB as Coleman hasn't shown me anything to think he should even be on an NFL roster much less backing a QB with a concussion history. Not saying VY is starter material. Just that I think he'd be an adequate backup who might be able to pull off a few wins should AR miss more than a game or two.

Hey, maybe they'll sign Tebow! :)

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by Marko :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 8:31pm

I suspect that some of the veterans cut throughout the league will end up back with the teams they were just cut from after the first week of the season. If the veterans are on the roster for Week 1, their entire salary for the year is guaranteed. But if they are resigned after Week 1, they are "week to week" and their salary for the year is not guaranteed. Also, players who are going to be placed on IR with the designation to return have to first make the final 53, meaning that someone else has to be cut to make room and may then be resigned after the IR move is made. A 3rd QB who isn't in high demand and is unlikely to be scooped up by another team is a perfect candidate for such a move.

Vince Young and Tim Tebow fit in both of these scenarios, especially because they are unlikely to be needed in Week 1 (so it's no big deal to the team if they are not on the roster for the first game). So it wouldn't be a shock to me if VY ends up back on the Packers or if Tebow ends up back on the Patriots either after an IR move is made or after Week 1. I have no idea if the Packers or Patriots plan to do this, though.

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by Theo :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 7:41am

do you know how much someone makes when he's cut?
Only his signing bonus?

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 8:24pm

Complete Packers cut list from their official site: FB Jonathan Amosa, T Andrew Datko, S David Fulton, C Garth Gerhart, RB Alex Green, T Kevin Hughes, WR Charles Johnson, C Patrick Lewis, LB Terrell Manning, CB Loyce Means, DT Jordan Miller, LB Dezman Moses, TE Matthew Mulligan, CB James Nixon, S Chaz Powell, LB Donte Savage, CB Brandon Smith, TE Jake Stoneburner, WR Tyrone Walker, WR Myles White, TE D.J. Williams and QB Vince Young.

Johnson, Lewis, Means, Stoneburner (gotta love that name), and White may be headed for practice squad according to either Tom Silverstein of the GB Press-Gazette or Acme Packing Company. I would also not be surprised if Pease, who was cut last week, was also placed on the PS.

I'd be shocked if any team picks up Green. Moses, Mulligan, and possibly Manning and Williams could be picked up by other teams. Moses and Manning seemed to have regressed from last year but I do think they could help some teams.

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by Shattenjager :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 4:19am

My father works with a guy whose last name is Stonebreaker. His name is appropriate enough for construction work (though technically there is no stone breaking in his specific work), but I've always said someone in his family needs to get into football just for the name awesomeness.

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by Marko :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 3:19pm

There already was a fairly prominent football player named Stonebreaker: Michael Stonebreaker. He was a linebacker who played for a few years in the NFL, but is mostly known for his college career at Notre Dame (1986-1990). He was first team All-America in 1990. With a name like Michael Stonebreaker, playing linebacker at Notre Dame fit perfectly. http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/stonebreaker_michael00.html

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by Jerry :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 9:43pm

I believe Mike is the son of one-time Colts linebacker Steve Stonebreaker.

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by Shattenjager :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 2:21am

As someone who has absolutely no interest at all in college football, I will admit that I had never heard of Mike Stonebreaker.

I never thought just to search for Stonebreakers before, but p-f-r lists Mike and Steve as the only two, though there was also a John Stonebraker who played for the Packers in 1942.

I still hope that at some point there is a star player named Stonebreaker in the NFL.

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by DavidL :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 9:43pm

The Raiders kept two punters on the roster because they believe they can trade one of them for a draft pick. They also decided to go with four quarterbacks.

I am speechless.

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by Marko :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 9:49pm

The season hasn't started yet, so just because that is their roster now doesn't mean it will be their roster on September 8. The Browns don't have a placekicker now (or at least they didn't as of a few hours ago). I'm pretty sure they will have one by opening day. Things will still change for many teams in the next few days. Or maybe the Raiders just want to do all they can to give them an edge over the Jaguars and Jets for the #1 pick in 2014.

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by justanothersteve :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 11:55pm

Kickalicious is still available.

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by The Danger! (not verified) :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 10:15pm

I'm pretty sure some idiot in my Fantasy Football league did this exact same thing. I'm pretty sure they will have the same record at the end of he year.

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by The Danger! (not verified) :: Sat, 08/31/2013 - 10:16pm

I'm pretty sure some idiot in my Fantasy Football league did this exact same thing. I'm pretty sure they will have the same record at the end of he year.

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by grady graddy (not verified) :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 1:08am

I'm pretty sure some idiot on this thread keeps posting the same thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure he knows nothing about running an NFL team. I'm pretty sure he would lose lots of money if he bet on football.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 09/01/2013 - 10:10am

If Antione Winfield does retire, let it be noted that he was a great player, and a complete professional.

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by batbatt :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:06pm

So, as of right now, Green Bay has only one quarterback? Are the other ones failing the Monty Python Holy Grail line of questioning?

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 12:49pm

You could argue they only kept one NFL QB last year. Seriously, they have signed Seneca Wallace to back AR and signed former Wisconsin QB Scott Tolzien to the practice squad. (I didn't realize Tolzien would even be eligible for the practice squad.) Apparently, they plan to stock up on former 49ers QBs to figure out Harbaugh's offense.

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by LionInAZ :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 4:00pm

Considering that Wallace spent only a week with the 49ers that seems like a long shot analysis. In this case I prefer the ESPN idea that Thompson took Wallace because he was familiar from TT's days in Seattle. Makes sense because it conforms to standard GM/coach practice (take players/coaches/schemes you know).

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 09/02/2013 - 11:05pm

It's not really related to this thread, but I just had to post it. I just ran my Kubiak for tomorrow's FFL draft and was going through the names. The name listed for Cleveland K was "Who the Heck Knows" with a "??" for age. Made me smile. Thanks.