Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

07 Oct 2013

MMQB: Romo, Schaub, Monday Morning Football

PK recaps Sunday's madness, looks ahead to the quarterback market in next year's draft, and prepares you for League of Denial.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 07 Oct 2013

24 comments, Last at 10 Oct 2013, 12:19pm by QCIC

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by DEW (not verified) :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 11:09am

King manages to move ahead of ESPN's talking heads by not blaming Romo. (Seriously, the guy already had two other "get the lead" drives in the fourth quarter of the same game, and he's suddenly a choker because he couldn't do it a third time?)

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 12:33pm

Ask Kacsmar.

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by Tim Wilson :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:14pm

The level of commentary on ESPN, NBC, and NFL Network's "analyst" shows is embarrassing. All of these ex-players and coaches, speaking utterly off the top of their heads, saying things that are blatantly factually incorrect, doing absolutely no research in order to perform their FULL TIME JOB. I've mostly grown to accept it, but every so often my anger just flares up again.

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by DEW (not verified) :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:40pm

What's interesting is that ESPN's columnists about baseball, quite the opposite of football, are all sabermetrics guys (though the onscreen talking heads still think RBIs are a viable stat). So in one sport they embrace an advanced statistical analysis, and in one sport they don't. Maybe it's because football is a better metaphor for gladiatorial combat, I don't know.

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by Tim Wilson :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:55pm

Is it a greater prevalence of ex-players and ex-coaches in the NFL space? I watch MLB Network, so I'm not familiar with as much of ESPN's baseball stuff, but I know that Buster Olney, Timmy Kurk, etc. are all prominently featured in baseball coverage. I can't think of many equivalents on the football side. Even Clayton, Mortensen, Schefter, etc. are all more "breaking news" focused than analysis focused.

With the exceptions of ESPN's print partnerships with Football Outsiders and KC Joyner, which are solely for Insiders, I can't think of any advanced analysis stuff. And I guess Scouts Inc., although they thankfully seem to have been deemphasized. I wonder if ESPN feels it's more worthwhile to court a niche, analytically-minded audience in baseball, but that in football they need to play to a much broader audience?

Whatever the reason, it infuriates me. There is a feeling of a total lack of accountability and rigor around everything said by these TV analysts.

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by tuluse :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 3:21pm

I think there is so much luck involved in Football, especially winning the championship (it's the only major sport to not have series of games to advance), that players have to get in a strange mindset to not go insane from the lack of control they actually have. This leads itself to X player is a winner, he has magical winning capability because the truth that a team won through sheer luck is too upsetting when your the person trying to win.

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by QCIC (not verified) :: Thu, 10/10/2013 - 12:16pm

This is right.

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by Theo :: Tue, 10/08/2013 - 5:31am

I seriously heard that "for this game they need to pass the ball 50 times and run the football" from a broadcast guy.

Announcers still think that running yards lead to wins and many passing yards is a sign that things go well with a team. "How could they be 1 and 3 with so many passing yards?".
You hear this obvious flaw in logic all the time.

You sporadically hear "they run the ball to grind the clock"... they are learning, I got to admit that.

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by Jim D (not verified) :: Wed, 10/09/2013 - 8:40pm

My favorites are the "keys to the game" type of thing at the beginning of a broadcast..Usually the most blatantly obvious things that every team should want like "Avoid turnovers", "Try to get them in 3rd and long", etc..

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by QCIC (not verified) :: Thu, 10/10/2013 - 12:19pm

I have at times seen "scores more points than the opponent" listed. Which is the ultimate in meta-irony, hilarity, and misunderstanding what the point of something like that is.

My other absolute favorite is when a team is driving down say 6, with lets say 5 minutes left. And the announcers are talking about how a good drive will be vital for the team's confidence in this and future games. Completely losing the plot on the teleology of the event they are watching. It isn't a confidence building contest, it is a scoring contest.

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by sundown (not verified) :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:20pm

I remember a couple years back when the Cowbosy lost to the Giants late in the year. I believe it eliminated them from the playoff race. Victor Cruz had close to 200 yards receiving against them and Romo was running for his life all game because the line was horrible. But everybody wanted to talk about an illegal forward pass he threw in the first half scrambling for his life and whether that cost them the game.

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by Spoon :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 1:07pm

Is there a plain-text version of this article available anywhere on SI.com? My work PC is missing a plug-in or something else vital, and I just get a blank screen when I try to visit the MMQB site.

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by The Powers That Be :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 1:23pm

Hmm. You called the thing that allows you to read Peter King's article "vital". Trying to wrap my head around that concept.

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by rfh1001 :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 1:31pm

Dude, today's Starwood travel news was epic. It's worth a 'vital' in anybody's language.

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by moore2012 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:01pm

Please, someone tell me hes being sarcastic.

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by Paul R :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 1:59pm

"McCarver grabbed my left thigh and squeezed it …"
--Al Michaels

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 3:25pm

Remidns of Costas asking Micahels to squeeze his nipples.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 5:20pm

Raiderjoe is a national treasure.

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by DrP (not verified) :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 2:22pm

Herschel Walker also played in the USFL
The PRO Football HOF is more than just the NFL.

His USFL stats include

.........Rushing…………………………………………Receiving
YEAR....ATT....YDS....AVG....Long....TD....NO....YDS....AVG....TD

1983....412.....1,812....4.4........80......17......53....489....9.2....1
1984....293.....1,339....4.6........69......16......40....528...13.2....5
1985....438.....2,411....5.5........88......21......37....467...12.6....1
Tot...1,143.....5,562....4.9........88......54....130..1,484...11.4....7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herschel_Walker

in NFL Career All-Purpose Yards Leaders

rank...name..............stat

9...Herschel Walker......18,168

but add the USFL yards he would be 25,214 yds which makes him #1 all time

1...Jerry Rice...........23,546

in TDs scored

rank……player….number

44...Walker...............84

but add in the USFL TDs, the total is 145 which would tie him for 6th place all time

yards rushing

38....Herschel Walker......8,225,

but add in USFL yards rushing = 13,787 makes him 5th all time

All of this would be even more impressive if you add in his USFL return yards, which I could not find readily.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/all_purpose_yds_career.htm

Walker’s 2,129 Rushing Yards in USFL Exceed Dickerson’s 2,105 Mark in NFL

June 11, 1985|Associated Press

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. — Herschel Walker became professional football’s all-time leading rusher in a single season, and he really doesn’t care what the critics have to say about his feat in the United States Football League.

Walker broke professional football’s single-season rushing record, scored two touchdowns and carried New Jersey into the USFL playoffs Monday night as the Generals edged the Jacksonville Bulls, 31-24.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 10/07/2013 - 3:23pm

Well the hof in Canton has display room for non-NFL leagues but don't look at cfl or xfl or USFL stats when determknfg whether guy belong in HoF or not. For example,w. Moon's cfl stats were No factor into making it jnto the hall of Fame

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by Dennis :: Tue, 10/08/2013 - 12:04am

I'm not going to criticize him for picking the monday night game wrong, but who predicts a team to score 15 points?

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by greybeard :: Tue, 10/08/2013 - 12:18am

King asks "Shouldn’t we judge players by how they play?", and the proceeds to the SChiano Freeman situation. Now in that case maybe Freeman was not bad because of Schiano, but the answer is obviously no. Look at what Singletary and Harbaugh did with almost exact same personnel and you have your answer. We should judge the players how hey play AND the circumstances in which they play.

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by fmtemike :: Wed, 10/09/2013 - 8:15am

Why would we call Trumaine Brock Wally Pipp? Pipp is the guy Lou Gehrig replaced, so Nnamdi Asomugha is Wally Pipp in King's tortured analogy. Tortured because do we really think Brock is the football equivalent of Lou Gehrig?

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by fmtemike :: Wed, 10/09/2013 - 8:28am

'Oh God no!' PKing to the woman offering him cinammon and sugar with his pumpkin beer. Real men don't put sugar in their pumpkin beer. Why do I even read this