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10 Jun 2013

Tebow To Sign With Patriots

Yup. The New England Patriots are signing Tim Tebow. To play football. Not just that, but to play quarterback. NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reports that after releasing Mike Kafka, the Pats will sign Tebow to back up Tom Brady and Ryan Mallett. And, probably, to run some option against the Jets just to stick it to Rex Ryan. New England offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach Josh McDaniels was head coach in Denver when the Broncos drafted Tebow in the first round, and presumably endorsed the move.

Posted by: Vince Verhei on 10 Jun 2013

112 comments, Last at 13 Jan 2014, 1:17pm by louis vuitton pl

Comments

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by theslothook :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 6:07pm

Welcome NE to the seventh circle of hell...at least the Jets kept the seat warm for you.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:56pm

Meh, the Patriots have a quarterback who is definitely better than Tebow (unlike the Jets), so there'll be no controversy.

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by commissionerleaf :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:18pm

Yeah, but where does that leave Tom Brady?

Besides, it would be hilarious to run a 3 TE formation with Brady, Gronk, Hernia, and Hoomanui plus Tebow at FB.

Woodhead off tackle left.
Tebow up the middle.
Tebow up the middle.
Tebow right end to Gronkowski...

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by commissionerleaf :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:19pm

I mean, yeah, they'd only run that to run up the score up 35-7 against the Jets. But it would be really funny. And totally worth a roster spot and the veteran minimum.

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by Hut Hut :: Fri, 06/21/2013 - 10:55am

This move will be very interesting to see how it plays out. I evaluated Tebow, pre-draft, as a poor choice for QB, but a great pick for TE. With Aaron Hernandez about to go and Tebow being left-handed this could be a very smart move. My pre-draft evaluation of Tom Brady would have made him a first round pick and not a sixth round pick. I triangulate a player's potential using Behavioral Trait Measurement, Cognitive Speed, and Athleticism. These three factors produce a significantly higher correlation to NFL Success than any other method I have tested.

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by willybhu :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 6:50pm

Danny Woodhead 2.0

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by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 6:55pm

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by FrontRunningPhinsFan :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 7:56am

Does anyone else see the above post all in one line, about 5 times further than the screen normally goes?

Only for Teebs. Awesome.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 9:48am

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by D :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 7:18pm

Skip Bayless is already jamming pins in his Tom Brady voodoo doll.

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by Dan :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 7:55pm

This has been quite the offseason for the league's quarterback depth charts. First the Saints sign Seneca Wallace to be their third stringer, and compete with Luke McCown for the backup job. Then Brian Hoyer gets released by the Cardinals and signs on with the Browns to be their #3 QB, and possibly even compete with Jason Campbell for the #2 spot. And now it's Tim Tebow, who was released by the Jets right after the draft, signing in New England to be their third stringer behind Ryan Mallett, and possibly even get a package of plays to run. Plus Tarvaris Jackson getting released by the Bills on the same day! I can't wait to see how that one turns out.

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by Johnny Socko (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:09pm

I beg somebody to please keep a running total on the number of journalist who suddenly change their opinion on how Tebow can't succeed in the NFL. The mysterious "Patriot Way" (barf) will no doubt change many minds. It shouldn't, but it will.

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by Tim Wilson :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:38pm

I'm happy this happened. I was pretty angry that Tebow, a below-average QB but one who you would think could catch on as a 2nd or 3rd stringer somewhere based on his season in Denver and versatility, was going to have his career ruined by ESPN because no team was going to deal with that level of a sideshow for just a 3rd string QB.

Glad the Patriots decided to ignore that, and looking forward to seeing Belichick completely take the air out of reporters' Tebow questions this year.

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by RickD :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:55pm

Tebow wasn't having his career "ruined by ESPN."

It was ruined by his inability to hit open receivers.

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 8:15am

Really? We don't think he was good enough to be a third-stringer somewhere based on his season in Denver and his running/blocking ability?

I'm not saying he's an NFL starter at this point, but teams have taken a chance on similar players much more quickly.

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by usctrojan11 (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:43pm

theres not much to brag about regarding his season in denver. he went 8-8 with them and the same team went 13-3 with a real qb a year later. and the wrs improved dramatically with tebow out of the way.

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by JIPanick :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:33pm

He went 7-4 and won a playoff game with a team that had gone 5-16 in the last 21 games with a typical "real" QB.

That they went 13-3 with the best quarterback ever a year later hardly detracts from that accomplishment.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:44pm

You're also conveniently forgetting how many games they won that year IN SPITE of Tebow. I remember a stat that showed over that period, the broncos had punted more than any team in the league. They had one of the worst 3rd down rates, pathetic completion percentage, and he got sacked a ton. In other words, his performance was abysmal but was papered over by wins.

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by JIPanick :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 3:41pm

...and also one of the lowest turnover rates, and a hugely effective run game.

By yards-per-quarterback-play, adjusted for turnovers, his performance was in the same tier as Flacco and Dalton. That doesn't even include how he opened up things for washed-up McGahee to have a bang up year.

Hardly elite, sure, but there was value added.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:40pm

I believe Tebow took over in week 7. Here are the broncos point totals from week 7 and onward: 18, 10, 17, 17, 16, 35(off which, 13 came directly off turnovers), 13, 23, 14, 3, 29, 10.

Now lets parse: 4 of these games went into OT - giving him extra possessions. The 2 high scoring regular season games came against ridiculously horrible secondaries(NE, MIN), but even if he were to be given credit for those and the Pit game, whatever brownie points you award him for an improved run game and minimal turnovers should not alter the fact that this offense(of which he was the biggest contributor) was routinely failing to score 20 pts a game. This to say nothing of the fact that many of these games also had ridiculously long field goals coming from one hell of a kicker. I really can't see how anyone can look at this and not conclude that Tebow was dreadful.

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:21pm

I get it, but I'm not saying he's better than Peyton Manning, or even better than any of the league's other starters. I'm saying he's an interesting guy to sign as your 3rd string quarterback. I don't think you would have seen improved offense during that Denver post-Week 7 stretch from many 3rd string NFL QBs, do you? Add in what he can do on your special teams or specialty packages, and he seems like a very reasonable 3rd string QB investment to me. And yet no teams were interested up to this point, and I blame that mainly on the excessive ESPN coverage that comes along with him.

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by Shattenjager :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:21pm

"[O]ne of the lowest turnover rates."
They had a decent turnover rate (http://pfref.com/tiny/V75kF), because while they threw few interceptions, they "led" the league in fumbles (with Tebow himself the primary culprit, ending the season with a league-leading 14 fumbles). 18 teams turned the ball over less often in their last 11 games that season.

"[A] hugely effective run game."
It ranked 4th in ypc and first in both yards and attempts (http://pfref.com/tiny/RPtaP), but had a -0.5% DVOA on the season. (I can't split DVOA by games, so that's the entire season, not just Tebow's starts.) That's definitely a good running game, especially since Tebow was threatening no one with the pass, but the turnovers (which probably lead to the middling DVOA) make it questionable, at least to me, to call it "hugely effective."

I have no idea what yards-per-quarterback-play is, and a search led only to results showing ANY/A and NY/A, in neither of which did Tebow rank anywhere near Flacco and Dalton. Could you explain what this statistic is?

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:18pm

I am saying he did enough to be a justifiable THIRD STRING QUARTERBACK! I'm not saying he should start for a Super Bowl contender! Good Lord. This is not controversial stuff.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:40pm

Fair enough and I agree with your general premise. I do partially feel bad for the guy, its not obvious that he's gone out of his way to get this kind of cult following. I'm not sure its entirely driven by espn either or even how it started. Sure, he was wildly popular in college, but so were Vince Young and Matt Leinert. It could be religion thats driving this, idk. Either way, it would have been a shame if these forces would have driven from the league for good.

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by commissionerleaf :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:30am

Vince Young and Matt Leinart are both better quarterbacks, though.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:05am

According to what?

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by snoopy369 :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:45pm

To be fair, Tebow had his career made by ESPN before it was ruined. Twenty years ago he's undrafted and bagging groceries.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:45pm

You think? Because he had a better career than Gino Torretta, who was a 7th round pick. Or Rick Mirer, who was #2 overall. Did you recall that Washington had *two* QBs drafted in the first five rounds?

I think Tebow would have done just fine in the 1993 draft.

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by justanothersteve :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 8:28pm

So he now needs to go to an arena league, improve his accuracy, and marry a former Marine with kids so he can become Kurt Warner #2?

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by andrew :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:43pm

I was going to describe this scenario as Kafkaesque, but now I guess not so much.

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by nat :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:55pm

As Tim Tebow awoke one morning from uneasy dreams he found himself transformed in his bed into a monstrous quarterback.
Works for me.

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by Karl Cuba :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 10:36pm

That's utterly unrealistic, even more unlikely than turning into a giant insect.

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by chemical burn :: Mon, 06/17/2013 - 1:15am

In the original language he actually turns into a piece of "vermin" and it's pretty clear Kafka doesn't mean an insect if you read it. Kakfa himself object to the character being portrayed as an insect in illustrations. True story.

Also, Alex Smith stills sucks and the 49ers were fools to keep him on as QB as long as they did.

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by nat :: Mon, 06/17/2013 - 9:39am

I prefer the "monstrous vermin" translation myself. In addition to "gigantic" I've also seen "horrible" insect, which wouldn't work in this case. "Horrible quarterback" is fine, but "transformed" would be completely off the mark.

As for people who object to the "quarterback" part, I can only say that this was satire.

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by COINFLIP (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:52pm

It makes total sense. He's contributed to a lot of Jets losses.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 8:57pm

I think you're confusing Tebow and Sanchez.

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by commissionerleaf :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:20pm

Come on, guys, Tebow has a better deep arm than Brady...

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by RickD :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:56pm

Mallett has a better deep arm than either.

Or so we think. It's not like he gets to use it.

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by commissionerleaf :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:27pm

Reporter: Mr. Belichick are you planning on playing Tim Tebow this week?
BB: Well, that depends on a lot of things. It may be that the alien species Gisele Bundchen belongs to will return to earth and bring Tom along with her back to their home planet on Proxima Centauri. And if that happens it may also be that Ryan Mallet's careful mental conditioning will slip, and he will forget to take the heroic doses of psychotropic medication he has been prescribed, and he will start snorting blow and sexually assaulting the cheer squad.

And if that happens, and Danny Woodhead has the flu, we'll consider putting him in there.

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by PatsFan :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:54pm

NE'd have to trade with the Chargers for Woodhead first...

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by JFP :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 9:44pm

Seems like a decent low risk move for the Pats to me. If he can possibly play some RB/TE, and 3rd QB I think he's worth the roster spot.

Having said that, I hope to never see him or Ryan Mallett at QB for the Pats in the next few years unless it's blow out hand off duty or preseason.

The signing is good timing too since the local media is focused on the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals. The evening news here in Boston mentioned the signing, but didn't cover it much from what I saw. I don't listen to sports talk radio so that may be another matter.

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by Kitty Carlisle (not verified) :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:27pm

Definitely seems like a McDaniels idea. Getting a lot of play here in Denver, but mostly of the 'yeah...ok' variety. Well, good luck to him. He never stole my Winnebago or nothin'.

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by BroncosGuyAgain :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:29pm

What?

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by BroncosGuyAgain :: Mon, 06/10/2013 - 11:31pm

I used to respect the New England organization. Now: McDaniels; Tebow. Good luck.

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by RickD :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:23am

Overreaction?

Why care so much about a 3rd string QB?

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:36am

See, its comments like these that make me question why NE got Tebow. Because tebow is going to be a circus regardless of what he does. BB will undoubtedly be asked every game if tebow will get some snaps as TE, or FB, or HB, or WR. Or they'll ask how his progress is. Why would you want to deal with any of that just so that you can have the worlds most interesting 3rd stringer?

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by Sancho (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:54am

BB knows that. He can handle the press. He is not worried about that.

The calculous here is another. How much Tebow can contribute to the team at the price his asking for. They believe its worthy...

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by JudyB (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 8:46am

BB answers all questions with as few words as possible conveying as little meaning as possible, why would he suddenly care what they ask him?

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:51pm

This just isn't true at all.

BB answers stupid questions as above.

If you ask him questions about football, or football history, he'll run the press conference out of time talking.

None of the media actually wants to hear about football though.

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by Dennis :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:22pm

Right. I can't stand BB because I'm a Jets fan, but I love that he refuses to answer questions about all the stupid crap. I love to hear him talk about football. But the media just wants to talk about the sideshow stuff.

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by snoopy369 :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:48pm

McDaniels was part of the Patriots before he was in Denver...

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by Shalimar (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:49am

If Tebow takes over for an injured Brady, wins a Super Bowl, and then makes a foot fetish video as a giant fuck you to Rex Ryan, then I will truly believe there is a God.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:49am

I'm with you. I'll even become a devout christian if he does.

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by Malene, copenhagen (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:52am

As a Pats fan, I'm slightl concerned with quotes like these:
"Tebow doesn't have to throw passes to find a role on a team where Mike Vrabel used to catch touchdown passes. Adding quirky wrinkles is in the Patriots DNA." (Jason La Canfora).

Well, Vrabel was also a very very good full-time player at a real NFL position.
Ditto for Dan Connolly, or Richard Seymour back in the day, at fullback.

Slater played some safety, but only because he was on the roster to play all ST units. Edelman at nickel corner was fun, sure, but he provided huge value on the return teams.

Troy Brown at corner in 04 - he was a 40 reception-WR both before and after that season.

So yes, Pats have added "quirky wrinkles", but only with players playing actual football roles on the team, no?

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by RickD :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:35pm

Yes, it's far from clear to me that Tebow deserves a roster spot. The examples you cite involve players who had already earned their roster spots.

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by Lebo :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:39pm

I guess it comes down to whether or not you think that 3rd-string quarterback is an 'actual football role'. Personally, I think it is. And I think that Tim Tebow and Mike Kafka, in the role of 3rd-string quarterback, would contribute to the same number of wins and losses as each other. I think that for two reasons:

1. I think that Tebow and Kafka are of roughly similar ability.
2. The chance of the Patriots' 3rd string quarterback actually seeing meaningful playing time is pretty small.

So if your 3rd-stringer is unlikely to ever be asked to play a conventional quarterback role, why not sign one who could add wrinkles to your 1st team offense? More wrinkles in the Patriots offense is the last thing that defensive coordinators want to see.

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by Scott C (unable to log in) (not verified) :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:49am

3rd string QB is a practice role. Its also the "emergency QB" role in the game day roster -- you can't have them go into the game unless BOTH other QBs don't come back!

He won't be "adding wrinkles to your 1st team offense" as the emergency QB. If he gets plays on the side, it will be as the _second_ string QB.

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by DisplacedPackerFan :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 7:32am

There is no emergency QB rule anymore. The NFL dropped that in 2011 for 46 man game day active rosters.

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by Malene, copenhagen (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:56am

However, FWIW, I was just reminded of the epic moment in the 06 preseason when they played Troy Brown at Quarterback.

Belichick awesomely replied that he put him in to "develop Brown's legend".

So I guess he's not above anything, really.

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by PirateFreedom :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 8:06am

I'm stoked for the Tebow drop kick

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by Nick L. (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 10:26am

I love the move. Tebow is a better QB than most 3rd string QBs in the league. Sure he has accuracy issues but most 3rd stringers do (it's why they are 3rd string). But he has show that he plays well under pressure and can move the chains...what else do you want from a backup QB?
I also expect that Tebow will play some special teams and maybe a few snaps at fullback (just to see how opposing defenses react).
The kid has the talent to be a 3rd string (or even 2nd string) QB. I am glad that the media will not prematurely end his career.

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 11:55am

Exactly my thoughts. It would have been a shame if ESPN prematurely knocked Tebow out of the league when he has the ability to be a low-depth-chart QB, just because no teams wanted to deal with the media sideshow.

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by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:06pm

What Bizzarro world do you live in where you think ESPN wants Tebow out of the league?

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by SandyRiver :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:26pm

Though I highly doubt that ESPN "wants" Tebow out of the NFL, they pretty much have led the over-the-top media assault that turned Tebow/Jetsville into a toxic waste site last year.

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:52pm

You're misunderstanding me. I don't think ESPN wants Tebow out of the league, but I think their actions almost prematurely led to that result (and may still do so). I would argue that their insistence on wildly overcovering him and setting up a media circus wherever he is located has led many teams to shy away from Tebow as a player, when otherwise it would've been easier for him to get a down-the-depth-chart gig somewhere.

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by Steve in WI :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:59pm

I agree with you there. I think Tebow is a bad to mediocre NFL QB with very little upside, but that said, he's not really worse than any other 3rd stringer who won't see meaningful playing time unless a disaster happens. It's the ESPN/sports media circus that makes it stupid for a team to sign him, because you can get a guy for about the same price with about the same skill level and zero controversy.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:23pm

ESPN isn't the one paying for billboards. I'm pretty sure this is religion driven and probably started by Tebow's "camp" (whether he has a part of it, who knows). That's what caused the media overdrive.

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by Jimmy :: Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:15pm

Yup it wasn't ESPN who starred in a religiously motivated advert screened in the middle of the Superbowl. Whether you agree with him and his religious views or not, it distracted massively from Tebow as a football player. For football teams football has to come first and having a massive fanbase following a player around despite his limited ability at QB and demand he should start is destabilising and distracting for a football team.

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by Karl Cuba :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:04pm

Tebow should be very, very afraid. Bellichick is just helping the Gronk to fulfill his pledge to take Timmy's virginity. Timmy could be hitting the showers after practice when a hulking figure casts a long shadow over the trembling quarterback with a cry of "TEEEEEBOOOW!".

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by RickD :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:38pm

I'm picturing a Vegas trip with Gronk, Tebow and, say, Zach Galifianakis.

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by Ryan D. :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:09pm

Patriots sign a potential 3rd string QB.

Article gets its own XP post on FO.

40 comments are made in less than 24 hours, way more than any other recent offseason news post.

People blame ESPN for overexposing this player, yet fail to see the irony.

ESPN will stop covering this player when it stops generating views and clicks.

This has not yet happened.

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by RickD :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 12:42pm

Still not seeing "irony."

ESPN (and other networks) have far more control over how much exposure Tebow has gotten than a couple dozen FO readers. Hype isn't all demand-driven.

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by liquidmuse3 (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:32pm

Ok, this nonsense that "Oh, the media coverage of a 3rd stringer!"

1)His last two games as a starter were *playoff games*, & he threw for 300 on the top pass defense in one of them.
2)He's a former 1st round pick who only lost his starting job because a top 3 all-time QB somehow came on the market & was signed by his team.
3)He's one of the better college football players ever who still hasn't really failed as an NFLer, & was again voted the most popular athlete in the country.

So yeah, this is not coverage of a typical 3rd-string QB, & to say so is to be willfully obstinate.

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by Tim Wilson :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:55pm

Agree, but ESPN covers him as one of the top 5 most interesting players in the league. Vince Young had some similar credentials to what you lay out above, and he was not covered at nearly this level.

More importantly to me, shouldn't it be easier for a guy with those credentials to catch on a 2nd or 3rd stringer somewhere? Don't we think ESPN's coverage has handicapped Tebow's ability to get signed?

I don't think there's much to be done about it, it just irks me.

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by mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:32pm

He's there to push Mallett, who probably needs some pushing. If they can use him on special teams, that's a plus.
If his attitude rubs off on teammates, it could be a good thing. The two cornerbacks could use it.
People who blame Tebow or the media for the Jets disasters last year are being absurd. The Jets fell apart because their quarterback is terrible, and he would have been terrible, Tebow or not. The rest of the team was no longer good enough to carry Sanchez. The media troubles are a minor annoyance, not a major cause of that franchise's problems.

To the person who posted that Tebow was Woodhead 2.0, no you really hope not. Tebow starting games for the Pats in the next two years is a win for whoever plays them. My worst nightmare as a Jets fan is Brady getting injured, Belichek tanking the season so they get another 10-15 years of great QB play from Teddy Bridgewater. The last thing I want to see this year is Brady getting hurt. Hopefully he stops playing when there won't be a bunch of great QBs in the draft.

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by snoopy369 :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:55pm

I think "Woodhead 2.0" means how they might use Tebow - a scat back type player, not a starting QB.

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by mehllageman56 (not verified) :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:27am

Tebow might work as a fullback, but the other two backs there are much better. Basically, he's there to put Mallett to the grindstone.

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by florian (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:43pm

belichick's press conference was a masterwork of noncommittal evasiveness, even by his lofty standards for such things. it's like he's perfected the art of stonewalling the media so thoroughly that he was in a rut with it and decided to challenge himself to see if he could single-handedly extinguish the flames of tebowmania with the mighty power of his inscrutable mumbling. in a way it's a public service, if you think about it - to (ahem) bear the cross of tebow so that the rest of us don't have to.

or it's just a plot to make skip bayliss's head explode. either way.

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by Exystence :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 1:58pm

He can be a good backup QB I suppose... If he can operate within your offensive system at a backup level. With the Pats, are we really sure he can do even that? I'm honestly more surprised by it being the Pats instead of the 49ers that gave him a shot. Or the Eagles for that matter. Even with the Josh McDaniels connection, I would have imagined this would've been a conversation that ended at "That's enough, Josh."

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by Alternator :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:44pm

If you're going to carry three QBs, then taking one who can meaningfully contribute on the scout team (imitating mobile QBs), and potentially contributing on special teams, doesn't seem like such a bad plan.

I don't expect to see Tebow on the final 53, but as long as he's #3 on the QB depth chart, I wouldn't really mind either.

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by dryheat :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 10:18am

Exactly. I doubt he makes the 53. The Patriots typically don't carry 3 QBs. His role may very well be to spend training camp running the speed option to give the defense some looks at it, and then get cut at the final cutdown. I'm not sure about the Practice Squad rules anymore, but he might even have PS eligibility, as I know "games played" is one of the main criteria.

Now if BB wants to keep him on as a gameday inactive working the scout team offense to simulate the read option guys, fine, although Cam Newton is the only run-threat quarterback they face this year.

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by Noah of Arkadia :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:25pm

What I was thinking, too. Teams don't carry three QBs as often as they used to.

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by Tim Wilson :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:09pm

But he's not a standard third QB. He's a third QB / fullback / running back / TE / special teamer. And the change in the "emergency QB" rule means he can be used as all those and still be a 3rd string QB.

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by dryheat :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:10pm

Yes. He'll be the 3rd QB, 3rd FB, 6th RB, 5th TE, and special teamer. I used to have these arguments with other Pats fans all the time -- versatility doesn't mean squat if you're not good enough to get on the field at any of those positions. Unless Tebow becomes a core Special Teamer -- on at least 3 units -- I don't see any way he makes this team. It's early in camp, but he's missing receivers badly throwing against air.

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by dmstorm22 :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 4:11pm

What proof is there that he can play TE? I've heard so many people mention this over the years.

He doesn't have great speed. No one knows what type of hands he has. No one really knows if he can run routes.

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by Nathan :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 5:21pm

First, he's saying Tebow would be the last TE on the depth chart, so I think you're making the same point (EDIT: oh wait I thought you replied to the post right above, my bad).

Second, I agree with you that there is no proof he'd be a decent TE

Third, his 40 time was only .03 slower than Gronk and .07 slower than Hernandez. I can't find an official time for Ballard, but it's pretty safe to say Tebow is faster than him (saw 4.82 one place). So that's straight line speed. As far as quickness, Hernandez is pretty much the gold standard for elusive TEs and Tebow beat him in the 3 cone by .17 seconds. So I think it's safe to say that Tebow has the speed and quickness needed to play TE. Hands, route running, blocking who knows?

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by Vince Verhei :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 6:51pm

The handful of plays I saw the Jets use him as a pass protector last year, I thought he actually did quite well. There's a big difference between picking up blitzers and setting the edge on a perimeter sweep, though.

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by Anon5444233 (not verified) :: Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:45am

He's a superbly athletic, big guy. He'd be right at home playing in the 2 way days. Now? I guess we'll see. I do think he's probably one of the top 100 eligible and non-retired QBs in the world and so belongs in the league.

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by dmstorm22 :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:18am

Had no idea Tebow did so well in speed drills at the combine.

Thanks for the info. I guess he has the speed, but I still think the many people who just claim that he'll be a good TE are stretching Tebow's ability a little far.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 2:46pm

I also am a bit annoyed that people act like Tebow won't be a distraction because its the Patriots. Um...they signed Adalius Thomas and he became a distraction. They signed Randy Moss and people said this time it would be different---until it wasn't. He became a huge distraction. Obviously those players were gotten rid off eventually, but its not like the patriots aren't prone to distracting players.

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by JudyB (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 3:23pm

They guaranteed him nothing, they can cut him tomorrow if they want.

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by PatsFan :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:09pm

But Thomas and Moss were distractions because of what they, themselves were (or were not) doing -- i.e. intrinsic distractiveness.

The distractiveness of Tebow seems to be more about the media circus that follows him -- i.e. extrinsic distractiveness. And that's something Belichick can and will shut down in short order.

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by theslothook :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 4:45pm

Let me be clear here: I don't necessarily think distractions will cause a team to perform poorly. The jets were a media circus before tebow got there and were still successful. They became horrible because the defense regressed, the receivers got hurt, and mark sanchez stayed mark sanchez.

That said, Ne has been prone to media circuses before. Remember the 4th and 2 play? That stayed as distraction for three weeks. Then there was the welker foot fetish shot at Ryan. Then there was his mysterious benching early in the start of last season. Then there's gronk being gronk. The Tom Brady kick slide. All these are distractions. Do they alter NE's business plans, no, but its not like NE is above this sort of stuff.

My ultimate point was - unless Tebow has some special value as a tight end or Fb, his value as a third stringer isn't worth the incessant questions. Id honestly rather have tavaris jackson as my third stringer and call it a day(again, assuming Tebow is strictly a qb at this point).

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by Intropy :: Fri, 06/14/2013 - 12:48am

Tebow will be a good little foot soldier. He'll be on his toes and always strive to put his best foot forward.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 3:40pm

Cynical Point of View #1: Tebow was signed in order to sell a whole bunch of Patriots jerseys, and he'll get released on the final cutdown day.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:02pm

Jersey sales are league revenue, not team revenue, so it would have to be a league-wide conspiracy.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 5:06pm

Can you think of a better explanation for Tebow's career than league-wide conspiracy?

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by Theo :: Tue, 06/11/2013 - 8:03pm

Third string QBs don't add much to the team in the scheme of a season.
So adding Tebow to be the 3rd guy and play some special teams, some option, some wildcats etc?
Sure.
It could free up a roster spot for another position too. Roster spots are valuable things for a coach.

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by Scott C (unable to log in) (not verified) :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 12:58am

But a third string QB in the emergency QB slot doesn't take up a roster slot on game day (the '46th man'). If the emergency QB enters the game, the other two QBs are no loger allowed in the game.

So either he does not take up a slot as emergency QB in which case he won't be on the field, OR he takes up a roster slot from some other player and will probably be seen on the field.

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by Shattenjager :: Wed, 06/12/2013 - 3:08am

The league changed that rule a couple of years ago. There are now 46 roster slots on game day.

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by jackgibbs :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 2:15am

you guys, the patriots are now going for it on every fourth and short and will go for two every time.

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by Theo :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 3:42am

they should

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by Nathan :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 10:08am

I could totally live with them putting Tebow in to go for 2 after ever TD. I wouldn't take Brady off the field during a regular snap, ever. He's also the most consistent QB running the sneak I've ever seen, so it's not like I want to see Tebow in there running QB Power on 4th and inches.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 10:23am

Going for the two point conversion every time may be the best reason I've seen for Tebow being on a roster.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 11:38am

This makes complete sense because Brady sucks at running quarterback sneaks, or rather, he hasn't been stopped in about five years.

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by jackgibbs :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 12:57pm

which is why I said fourth and short and not fourth and inches. I also said they would go for it every time, I didn't say it would exclusively be tebow running the play.

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by dmstorm22 :: Thu, 06/13/2013 - 6:33pm

Tom Brady doesn't do anything as well as he runs QB sneaks, as he's like 88/92 at converting them in his career (h/t Scott 'CaptainComeback' Kacsmar). I believe that stat is for 4th and 1 and 4th and 2.

Tebow has to convert his next 78 straight to match that.

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by Nathan :: Wed, 06/19/2013 - 3:27pm

So, are we to conclude that Belichick, in an effort to rein in Aaron Hernandez (who the organization suspected was going off the rails) brought in former QB @ Florida, one Tim Tebow?

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