Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

14 Oct 2013

Week 6 Injury Aftermath

compiled by Andrew Potter

Broncos Offensive Tackle Orlando Franklin -- Ankle, Knee

Orlando Franklin reportedly sprained both his ankle and his knee -- specifically, his MCL -- against the Jaguars. Initial indications are that he will miss at least two weeks, during which Louis Vasquez will move to right tackle with Chris Kuper starting at right guard. That would mean Denver starting backups at three of the five positions along their offensive line, until now rated first in ASR (3.1%). Defensive Tackle Sylvester Williams also reportedly injured his neck against Jacksonville, though information on the seriousness of that injury is not yet available.

Cowboys Defensive End/Linebacker DeMarcus Ware -- Quadricep

DeMarcus Ware is expected to miss three to four weeks with a strained quadricep, which could have a significant effect on their already struggling pass defense (10.7%, 24th) and middling pass rush (15th by ASR). Running back DeMarco Murray, top ten by both DYAR (64, seventh) and DVOA (10.6%, ninth) through Week 4, was also injured on Sunday night. Murray has a Grade I MCL sprain, which is typically a short-term injury. He may even play against the Eagles, particularly given the lack of depth at the position for Dallas.

Jets Running Back Mike Goodson -- ACL/MCL (IR)

A torn ACL leaves the Jets with little choice but to place Goodson on injured reserve. It's a sore loss, but unlikely to have a major impact on the middling efficiency of New York's running game (-9.1%, 17th).

Packers Linebacker Nick Perry -- Foot

Packers Wide Receiver James Jones -- Knee

Packers Wide Receiver Randall Cobb -- Knee

Linebacker Nick Perry has a broken foot, which is likely to sideline him for several weeks. Perry has three sacks and ten tackles over the past two weeks and was expected to fill some of the role recently vacated by the also-injured Clay Matthews. Perry is expected to return later in the season. James Jones (26th by DYAR through week 4, 19.4% DVOA) sprained his PCL and is day-to-day, but may be able to play this weekend. Randall Cobb also left Sunday's game with an injury, and Mike McCarthy has said he'll miss "multiple weeks" with the injury.

Texans Safety Danieal Manning -- Fibula

As if the Texans weren't already reeling enough, strong safety Danieal Manning will reportedly miss approximately six to eight weeks with a fractured fibula. The ninth-rated DVOA defense (-9.2%) has been the lone bright spot for Houston this season, and Manning is widely considered a key component. Shiloh Keo will start while Manning is absent. Matt Schaub also hurt his right foot against the Rams and awaits the result of a MRI scan, but was reportedly walking fine after the game.

Saints Tight End Jimmy Graham -- Foot?

The hunt for Graham's status continues with the Saints headed on bye. He had an MRI on his foot, and results haven't been revealed yet. Twitter doctors (like Jene Bramel and Will Carroll) are getting bad vibes about this one.

Vikings Linebacker Desmond Bishop -- ACL (IR)

As with Goodson, Bishop is headed to injured reserve. The Vikings defense has struggled against both the pass (6.3%, 17th) and the run (6.1%, 29th), and obviously losing a starting linebacker isn't likely to help with either. Neither is the potential loss of safety Harrison Smith, who reportedly sprained his big toe (turf toe) and has a MRI scan scheduled for today. Smith is in the top ten for involvement in his team's defensive plays, per FO stats. Also scheduled for a MRI was cornerback Xavier Rhodes, though Rhodes is expected to be available next week.

Backups and Specialists

Bills safety Jonathan Meeks has been placed on injured reserve (designated return) with an ankle injury.

Redskins linebacker Bryan Kehl tore his ACL and is done for the season. Long snapper Nick Sundberg has a torn meniscus and is also out for the year.

Posted by: Rivers McCown on 14 Oct 2013

22 comments, Last at 17 Oct 2013, 12:34pm by Anonymous1

Comments

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by Anonymouse (not verified) :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:23pm

"Twitter doctors (like Jene Bramel and Will Carroll)..."

I wonder if that's what Will Carroll puts on his business card.

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by theslothook :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:27pm

In other news, Gronk injury has now ventured into the area 51, zapruder film/hindenburg area of speculation.

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by BigWoody (not verified) :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:32pm

Aaaand, the Bills sign Matt Flynn. Did Lewis get injured in Sunday's game?

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:40pm

Yes, a sprained foot. It's not clear yet whether he'll miss any time.

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by Anonymous1 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 4:47pm

Patriots had a rough week with Talib, Mayo and Amendola all leaving with injuries that could all lead to multi-week absences.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 5:05pm

Not that Amendola is any more fragile than Wes Welker.

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by PaddyPat :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 5:54pm

I like that the Pats injuries weren't even mentioned on this report. Who in his right mind would come looking for injury news on the Pats a day after the game? I mean... come on...

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:13pm

Hah, that's exactly it. If Patriots fans are lucky, they'll know something about the Patriots injuries when the official injury report is released. If they aren't, they might know when the inactives are announced. If it's Gronkowski... I guess they might simply never know.

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by RickD :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 10:09pm

The status on Gronkowski is that his doctors haven't clear him to play. His doctors include James Andrews, who basically has a god-like status these days in terms of sports medicine.

There are literally thousands, if not millions, Internet doctors who think they know better than James Andrews. Given that these Internet doctors endorsed his early return last season, which led to an nearly immediate re-injury of his broken forearm, I think I can understand why Gronk would prefer the advice of actual doctors who have actually examined him.

We could discuss the relative reputations of the Patriots medical staff and Gronk's doctors. On that front, I can say that the Pats' team doctor, Thomas Gill, was previously the Red Sox doctor during a period when he developed a reputation for rushing players back and/or missing injuries. In particular, there was an issue with Jacoby Ellsbury. Ellsbury was told by Gill that his two broken ribs needn't be completely healed for him to return to play. But Scott Boras told Ellsbury to see another doctor, who discovered a third broken rib in addition to the two that Gill had found. Ellsbury ended up missing nearly the entirety of the 2010 season.

I have no confidence in Thomas Gill. Was glad when the Sox got rid of him, and I'm more than a bit troubled that the Patriots would pick him up. Boston has one of the best medical communities on the planet. How could they end up with this guy?

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by akn :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 1:11am

James Andrews is a well-respected doctor (with reason), but his "god-like" status is purely a product of the ESPN/First Take narrative, and not some Mr. Miyagi-like level of laying on hands. Andrews just published a book and while on tour is a rich source of quotes that fuels an ongoing sports media discussion, but he doesn't speak for all orthopedic surgeons. Medical opinions can legitimately differ, especially on something as complicated as infection of surgically implanted hardware or back pain. I've worked with several orthopods whom I'm confident could properly manage a high profile patient like Gronkowski.

Also, as it was once famously said by a former leader of the congress (hopefully without violating rule 1 or invoking the whole shutdown mess), "anecdotes aren't data." I'm not endorsing the Twitter docs, because Andrews obviously knows more about his patient than anyone else. But from the perspective of epidemiological data collected from lots of athletes who've been through similar injuries, his recovery is certainly on the long end.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 3:43pm

" which led to an nearly immediate re-injury of his broken forearm"

Gronk actually broke the arm in a different spot.. it could be argued that he broke it in that spot because of the cast, but it wasn't a reinjury.

As to Gill, I agree. He's also the doctor that rushed Pedroia back, caused him to injure his foot worse, and miss almost 2/3 of a season. He's also the doctor who said John Lackey could continue pitching while he shredded what was left of his elbow.

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by PatsFan :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 4:13pm

Plate, not cast. It broke at the end of the plate, which isn't a particularly surprising result to any structural engineer.

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by Not Jimmy (not verified) :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 10:06am

Wes Welker? Who's that?

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by Anonymous1 (not verified) :: Thu, 10/17/2013 - 12:34pm

Is it your goal to be an obnoxious asshat as often as possible? Because job well done, if so.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:47pm

Possibly a Pyrrhic victory for the Packers yesterday. Two of their top three WRs and now Perry joins his fellow starting OLB Matthews on the sideline. It looks like AR got a running game just in time. Look for lots of 2 TE formations with Finley split wide. I don't know if Franklin knows the route tree, but if he does I wouldn't mind trying a few plays with him out wide.

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by Andrew Potter :: Mon, 10/14/2013 - 7:58pm

Cobb's apparently out 6-8 weeks with a fractured fibula. Suggestions are that they're bringing in Tavarres King from the Broncos practice squad.

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by Nevic (not verified) :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 1:02pm

I bet Donald Driver is available and anxious to come play!

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by TimK :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 8:43am

Broncos actually starting reserves at 4 OL positions now - it is just that the reserve RT was the starting RG (so bringing the reserve RG into play as well). Zane Beadles at LG is last man standing in his projected position now.

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by PatsFan :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 8:40pm

Mayo has surgery for torn pectoral, likely to miss the risk of the season.

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by Andrew Potter :: Tue, 10/15/2013 - 11:14pm

Obviously, that's a big loss -- even bigger with Vereen already occupying the designated return slot. It's either injured reserve for Mayo, or run a man short in the hope he can return before the end of the season -- which is not impossible, though unlikely.

I still haven't seen solid word on Talib -- who I think would be a bigger loss than either Wilfork or Mayo -- and Kelly. Have you? Apparently the Patriots have clamped down even more than before on leaks after the Gronkowski situation, so firm news on their injuries is difficult to find.

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by Anonymousse (not verified) :: Wed, 10/16/2013 - 7:00pm

The "Gronkowski Situation" is a complete fabrication of the media. There is no situation - his doctor has not cleared him to play because hes not back to full strength. Its pretty damn silly. There's no story here.

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by PatsFan :: Wed, 10/16/2013 - 10:35am

The Boston Globe, etc. report Mayo has been placed on season-ending IR.