Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

31 Jan 2014

Tanier's Game Riffs: Super Bowl

But what if a snowstorm hits the stadium? And what if it is named Snowstorm Rypien?

Posted by: Mike Tanier on 31 Jan 2014

11 comments, Last at 04 Feb 2014, 8:25am by nat

Comments

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by coltrane23 :: Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:39pm

I really liked the perspective on how the bar has always been raised to possibly unrealistic levels for Peyton Manning. If the Broncos, and in particular Peyton Manning, were playing any other team, I'd probably be pulling for him in this game just to tamp down some of the nonsense about his "legacy." But they're not and I'm not.

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by coltrane23 :: Fri, 01/31/2014 - 12:41pm

I really liked the perspective on how the bar has always been raised to possibly unrealistic levels for Peyton Manning. If the Broncos, and in particular Peyton Manning, were playing any other team, I'd probably be pulling for him in this game just to tamp down some of the nonsense about his "legacy." But they're not and I'm not.

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by intel_chris :: Sat, 02/01/2014 - 1:06am

I know the feeling. I've been a long time fan of the Broncos and of Manning, even when he was the opponent, so there is my loyalty. Still, I have a lesser affinity to the Seahawks (as former AFC West) and to Carrol (as just a coach I liked both in NY and NE), and would be rooting for them if they were playing another team. Here's hoping that win-or-lose they get another shot at the title, perhaps next year. I would love another rematch next year.

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by Hextall_27 :: Sat, 02/01/2014 - 2:04am

The bar of not being below .500 in the playoffs or the bar of winning a Super Bowl while not throwing 3 TDs and 7 picks in the playoffs?

The LEGACY is not 'is he a great' it is 'is he the greatest'. The absurd people are the Manning snobs who treat him like royalty that does not even have to bother to play well in the Super Bowl to be better than Joe Montana or Tom Brady.

I use the phrase 'Cult of Manning' to describe those people who can not think rationally about any debate on him.

Ruth, Gretzgy, Lemieux, Jordan, Montana, Brady, and maybe even LeBron all have multiple titles where they absolutely dominated. Peyton has nothing yet on that level.

Maybe like Reggie Jackson, we can call him Mr. October.

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by Perfundle :: Sat, 02/01/2014 - 5:31am

I'll give you 2004, but I don't see how completing 59.5% of his passes at 6.3 YPA for 5 TDs and 2 INTs (2003) or completing 61.9% of his passes at 5.9 YPA for 1 TD and 1 INT (2001) is absolutely dominating.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 02/02/2014 - 12:03am

Super Bowls are a miniscule sample size. A quarterback's play in Super Bowls says almost nothing about their ability.

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by andrew :: Sat, 02/01/2014 - 6:23pm

Do we know if Percy Harvin will be returning kicks for the Seahawks?

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by Insancipitory :: Sat, 02/01/2014 - 6:55pm

I would assume so. It's either going to be him or Doug Baldwin, who had a little bit of an issue with a hip pointer.

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by nat :: Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:31am

He led his team to a Super Bowl victory. He began to reliably beat Brady's Patriots.
This exemplifies the worst of Manning hagiographic writing.

Since Manning's 2006 Super Bowl year, he has lost to Brady four of six times, with each win following a three or four year wait. If you feel the need to call that "reliably beating" someone, then (a) you're a doofus, and (b) you are insecure about your guy's actual accomplishments.

Manning was no more successful against Brady since the 2006 Super Bowl than he was before it. He won a just a third of their games.

There are plenty of things to like about Peyton. But "reliably beating" Brady ain't one of them. "Didn't always lose to" is closer to the truth, and highlights the improvement over the earliest games between the two.

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by nat :: Sun, 02/02/2014 - 10:31am

Double post.

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by nat :: Tue, 02/04/2014 - 8:25am

But Manning's legacy will finally have the one thing it needs the most: an accomplishment that belongs to him and him alone.
Most playoff losses ever. Got that one covered.

...proof that his impact on a team goes far beyond that of even the typical great quarterback.
You nailed it.