Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

01 Sep 2017

2017 Cut-Down Day Thread

Teams need to cut down their rosters to 53 men by 4 p.m. EDT on Saturday. Want to discuss the players now looking for jobs? We'll keep track of the big-name cuts, trades, and IR moves in this thread, as well as some of the players cut who then sign with new teams.

An important note: Players placed on IR prior to the season are not eligible to return later in the season because they are not on the initial 53-man roster.

FRIDAY

ARI RB Chris Johnson
BAL RB Lorenzo Taliaferro
BAL TE Larry Donnell
BAL C Jeremy Zuttah
CAR CB Zach Sanchez
CHI WR Victor Cruz
CLE QB Brock Osweiler
CLE G John Greco
CLE DL Karter Schult
DEN RB Stevan Ridley
DET RB Matt Asiata
DET P Sam Martin to NFI list
HOU LB Sio Moore
MIN OT T.J. Clemmings
NO DT Tony McDaniel
PHI WR Paul Turner
SF QB Matt Barkley
TB DE George Johnson
WAS FS/CB Will Blackmon

Denver trades T/G Ty Sambrailo to Atlanta for 2018 fifth-round pick.

Seattle trades CB Tramaine Brock to Minnesota for 2018 seventh-round pick.

New York Jets trade DT Sheldon Richardson and their 2018 seventh-round pick to Seattle for WR Jermaine Kearse and Seattle's 2018 second- and seventh-round picks, per Adam Schefter. Richardson had long been on the trade block for The Tanking Contrails, and something seemed likely when the Seahawks restructured Doug Baldwin's contract from salary to signing bonus. We already had the Seahawks projected with the league's best defense in Football Outsiders Almanac 2017.

SATURDAY

ATL DE Ra'Shede Hageman to Commissioner Exempt List
BAL WR Chris Matthews (109 yards for SEA in Super Bowl against NE)
BAL CB Brandon Boykin to IR
CAR P Andy Lee
CHI LB Lamarr Houston to IR
CHI DE Jaye Howard
CHI LB Dan Skuta
CIN G J.J. Dielman (fifth-round pick)
CIN DE Wallace Gilberry
CIN OT Eric Winston (President of NFLPA)
DAL RB Ronnie Hillman
DAL QBs Kellen Moore and Luke McCown -- Central Michigan UDFA Cooper Rush will back-up Dak Prescott
DEN SS T.J. Ward
DEN QB Kyle Sloter, leaving no healthy backup QBs on the roster
DET DB Alex Carter
DET QB Brad Kayaa
DET OT Taylor Decker to PUP
DEN G Michael Schofield
GB WR DeAngelo Yancy (fifth-round pick)
GB OL Kofi Amichia (sixth-round pick)
GB WR Malachi Dupre (seventh-round pick)
GB LB Vince Biegel to PUP (fourth-round pick)
HOU QB Brandon Weeden
HOU OL David Quessenberry
IND LB Akeem Ayers
IND ILB Sean Spence
IND RB Josh Ferguson
IND QB Andrew Luck taken off PUP list
JAC TE Mychal Rivera to IR
JAC LB Andrew Gachkar
JAC DE Malliciah Goodman
KC OLB Tamba Hali to PUP
KC G Andrew Tiller
KC RB C.J. Spiller
LACH QB Kellen Clemens
LACH RB Kenjon Barner
LARM QB Dan Orlovsky
MIA LB Nevile Hewitt
MIN G Alex Boone
MIN DT Datone Jones to IR
NE MLB Jonathan Freeny
NYG QB Josh Johnson -- Geno Smith will back-up Eli Manning
NYG TE Will Tye
NYG LB Mark Herzlich to IR
OAK OLB Shilique Calhoun (2016 third-round pick)
PHI WR Bryce Treggs
PIT CB Senquez Golson (second-round pick in 2015, could never get healthy, zero NFL games played)
PIT WR Cobi Hamilton
SF RB Joe Williams (fourth-round pick) to IR (ankle)
SF DE Quinton Dial
SF WR Jeremy Kerley
SF G Joshua Garnett on IR (knee)
SF DL Sen'Derrick Marks
SF TE Blake Bell
SEA DT Ahtyba Rubin
TB RB Jeremy McNichols (fifth-round pick)
TB LB Riley Bullough
TB WR Josh Huff
TEN WR Tajae Sharpe to IR (foot)
WAS RB Matt Jones
WAS QB Nate Sudfeld

Pittsburgh trades WR Sammie Coates to Cleveland for 2018 sixth-round pick.

Cincinnati trades CB Bene Benwikere to Dallas for a conditional late-round pick

Detroit trades CB/ST Johnson Bademosi to New England for a 2019 sixth-round pick.

New England trades QB Jacoby Brissett to Indianapolis for WR Phillip Dorsett

Jacksonville trades C Luke Bowanko to Baltimore for an undisclosed (late) draft pick.

Pittsburgh trades CB Ross Cockrell to Giants for 2018 conditional draft pick.

Washington trades TE Derek Carrier to LA Rams for a 2018 seventh-round pick.

Carolina trades WR Kaelin Clay to Buffalo for CB Kevon Seymour

UPDATE: Seattle trades DE Cassius Marsh to New England for Seattle's seventh-round pick (acquired Friday for CB Justin Coleman). The Pats also included a fifth-rounder in this deal. So the net result of the two trades is NE gets Marsh, SEA gets Coleman and a fifth.

Kansas City trades OL Isaiah Battle to Seattle for something or other.

Indianapolis Colts take QB Andrew Luck off of PUP, as expected.

LA Chargers take WR Mike Williams OFF of PUP in a rare bit of good injury news for them.

SATURDAY: SPECIAL KICKER JOB SECTION

CHI K Roberto Aguayo (Connor Barth wins job)
CIN K Jake Elliott (fifth-round pick, Randy Bullock wins job)
HOU K Nick Novak (Ka'imi Fairbairn wins job)
LACH K Josh Lambo (Younghoe Koo wins job)
NYG K Mike Nugent (Aldrick Rosas wins job)

Posted by: The Outsiders on 01 Sep 2017

101 comments, Last at 07 Sep 2017, 7:59pm by The Ninjalectual

Comments

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by billprudden :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:21pm

In an era of so much tanking and "somewhere between 4-12 and 8-8 is just fine, thanks", anytime a team makes a move to win I gotta applaud. Sheldon Richardson to Sea is an expensive, short-term move for a team that already has expensive, middle-aged defenders. God bless 'em for it.

Bill

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:52pm

on paper, seems vert food trade for both. Richardson malcontent with jets, uimpending free agent. getting usable wideout and 2nd roun d pick is good value. Riochardson can help Seat get to Super Bowl again where tyema will lose to Raiders.

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by jtr :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 5:07pm

Not only was Richardson a malcontent, he was also forced into roles that really didn't fit him. They played him a lot at outside linebacker and even occasionally forced him into inside linebacker (seriously, link below). Seattle will have better roles for him. I would think he'd be the big strong-side end they like to use on running downs and then provide interior rush on passing downs. Him and Bennett will be tough to block inside on third-and-long.

http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2016/10/sheldon_richardson_explains_why...

As a side note, does the spam filter just automatically eat your post if you try to actually properly link something? Any time I use the anchor tag I get blocked as spam.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:45pm

I'd rather be cut than traded to the Jets.

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:51pm

if the money is the same what is the deiffenrence? ghet to be in new York metropolitan area.

if I was NFL player, probably wouldn't care what team i was on

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by billprudden :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:55pm

It is that next contract that is at issue. No WR is gonna look good on the Jets this year...

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 4:02pm

TD-Wise, sure. bntu team likely to be trailing a lto. passes will eb caught. preidciton is jets 2-14 ort 3-13 but could have Anderson or kearse with 1,000 yarda

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 4:02pm

this type fo thin g is why I targeted b. bortles in fnatays in 2015 and won a title with him,

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by billprudden :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 4:16pm

Gotcha. Though there is also the issue of inaccurate QBs getting WRs crushed, but you are right about the stats-padding. And Bobby Bonilla certainly did get paid.

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by Caliban :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 3:52pm

Caliban

The Redskins should cut Dan Snider.

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by Sixknots :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 4:12pm

That will be one scary defense if Bennett and Avril can get Richardson's head on straight.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 5:01pm

I recall making a comment in the past that Jermaine Kearse's entire career is based around being awful and then occasionally doing insanely great things at critical moments. He's I guess the #1 WR with the Jets now?

If Richardson does a "screw you" kind of year and plays as hard as he can, that's just a patently terrifying defensive line.

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by mehllageman56 :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 7:21pm

Richardson was already playing like that in preseason for the Jets; he looked unblockable against the Giants. Of course, the Giants have a habit of making guys look like that. By the way, it's never been an issue of Richardson playing hard on the field; he gives it all every play. Go look at this play from the Viking Jets game in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTvdVarhgxw
He's the lineman trying to catch Darius Wright. The problem with Richardson is the off the field stuff.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 5:59pm

Seattle's looking to repeat the Denver path to a championship of brutalizing opposing offenses, while not blocking anybody on the opposing defense. I find that approach kind of interesting, so I'll be rooting for them, as much as I hate to watch bad offensive lines.

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by mehllageman56 :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 7:17pm

At least the Seahawks have a franchise quarterback who can run for his life. Peyton was a franchise guy in name, still they won it all.

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by theslothook :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 6:51pm

I just am never a fan of giving away talent. It was a good haul for Richardson, but still...they will be worse for it.

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by mehllageman56 :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 7:15pm

Everything I heard for the last two years was that he would only get them a third round pick at best. They got a second rounder and a starting wide receiver; they did better than I expected. Also, he's one incident away from being suspended for a full year. Elliott got six games for a domestic abuse charge that hasn't been proven; Richardson drove away from the St. Louis police at around 100 mph, with a loaded shotgun under his seat and pot and his relative in the back seat. A young boy relative. When you've committed to Wilkerson and have Leon Williams, you can afford to trade Richardson. I think he'll do great this year in Seattle, but I don't know if they'll commit to him down the road, because that's a decent sized risk. If he leaves, the Seahawks get a third rounder in compensation; the Jets wouldn't have gotten a comp pick, because they have something like 70 million in cap room next year.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 09/07/2017 - 7:50pm

That's an excellent point about the compensatory 3rd round pick. All of a sudden this looks like a steal for Seattle

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 7:45pm

2017 jets will be worse forf it but that is idea

Richardosn neverwas gonna be rbought back(resigned) for 2018 so that they got kearse and 2nd founder was good for jets

Think trade also very helpful for seajwks

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by johonny :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 7:20pm

Guesses at at guys that will find jobs. I'm guessing Matt Barkley finds a roster spot after a few injures clear QB spots. Victor Cruz sure fell off a cliff. He average 15 YPC so I'm guessing he still has some deep speed. IDK. Miami is looking for guards so John Greco could get a phone call.

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by James-London :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:31am

+1 for Greco. Miami still have nothung but questions at Guard.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Steve in WI :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 1:26pm

I have to think Cruz's career must be over if he couldn't keep a job with the Bears. After Meredith tore his ACL, they must rival the Jets for the worst group of receivers.

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by dryheat :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 3:53pm

There's always the 49ers!

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 09/07/2017 - 7:51pm

Easy come, easy go. Sounds about right for a guy like him.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 8:55pm

wow Sio Moore fell off a cliff after such a promising start ot career.

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The standard is the standard!

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by vrao81 :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 9:15pm

I'm pretty sure Osweiler won't be getting many calls.

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by wardh2o :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 10:46pm

Some team will pick him up. He stands very tall during the national anthem.

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by sbond101 :: Fri, 09/01/2017 - 11:02pm

It's an important part of being a bench-warmer.

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by Cythammer :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 1:47am

He's probably above average for a backup QB, so I imagine he should.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 4:22am

At $16million guaranteed he'd be an expensive backup.

Tells you a lot if Cleveland are willing to pay him that and develop someone else.

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by James-London :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:32am

Jacksonville. Brock Bortles would be awesome

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by Ben :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 9:23am

I thought that since he was cut, that contract is gone. Assuming he clears waivers, any team can sign him for the veteran minimum now.

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by Athelas :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 9:29am

And doesn't that mean he gets the same amount whether he plays or not? (So he can't get the guaranteed part from Cleveland AND a new salary?)

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by jtr :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 9:51am

It can go either way, depending on how the contract is written. In Osweiler's case, that's correct, anything he makes from a new team will result in a deduction from his Cleveland salary.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 09/07/2017 - 7:53pm

It's called an offset clause.

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by ChrisLong :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 9:29am

I hope the Packers take a look at Zuttah. They need a solid backup interior lineman. Don Barclay is not it.

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by Theo :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 12:23pm

With Osweiler gone and Kizer starting, the question in Cleveland is now which QB will be #2; Kessler or Hogan. And whether or not they keep them both.
They went through 3 qbs in 3 games last year, so they probably should carry 3 qbs in the roster.

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 1:00pm

Kevin Colbert, Mike Tomlin ========= GRADE A IDIOTS!

didn't learn from Justin Gilbert debacle last year, sign Haden, then trade Coates to Cleveland for nothing.

FIRE THESE CLOWNS NOW!

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The standard is the standard!

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 5:00pm

spend 6th round draft pick on a long snapper

cut him.

idiots!

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The standard is the standard!

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by young curmudgeon :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 5:30pm

In your preceding comment, you identified the sixth round pick Coates was traded for as "nothing"

In this comment, you excoriate the waste of a sixth round pick.

The transitive property suggests that you're just looking for an excuse to rant, not thinking things through...

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by Tomlin_Is_Infallible :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:12pm

since they got back their 2018 pick that they had given up for Justin Gilbert, who contributed absolutely nothing to the team.... they traded Coates literally for nothing.

I think people here look to criticize me without actually knowing anything or doing any homework before posting- let alone thinking things through.

stick to just calling me a racist like the other hacks here do; you'll be wrong, but at least it's low-effort lazy wrong.

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The standard is the standard!

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 09/07/2017 - 7:55pm

They traded Coates because they were going to cut him anyway, so they got something for nothing, from that perspective.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 1:16pm

Bucs cut Jeremy McNichols, who has been the official "guy who gets yelled at a lot" on Hard Knocks. He was their fifth-round pick this year; is that the highest pick cut this year, or has a higher draft pick also not made a team?

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by Sixknots :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:00pm

Seahawks cut 4th round RB Mike Davis. He won't make it to the PS.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:01pm

Yeah, but that was a 4th round pick several years ago in San Francisco, not this year's pick.

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by Sixknots :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:13pm

Oops! Missed that.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:02pm

OLB Antoine Williams got cut by the Lions, and he was fifth rounder, but from 2016 (he started several games last year, too). He got beat out by Paul Worrilow, which probably doesn't bode well for Williams'' development.

Don't know of any other 2017 5th rounders that got cut so far yet.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:06pm

J.J. Dielman got cut, but he was a 5th round compensatory, and thus below McNichols. I believe McNichols is in the lead for "highest draft pick cut" so far, but cutting ANY fifth rounder is something of an embarrassment.

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by Andrew Potter :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:25pm

McNichols' fall was drastic. Just last month, there was a story on the official website touting him to lead the team in touches during Doug Martin's suspension. Sounds like the coaches were far less impressed once they got him into live situations.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 10:34pm

The initial talk was McNichols was going to be a third-down back, but he couldn't even vaguely begin to understand the basic of pass protection. It popped up on Hard Knocks a few times, and there was all sorts of buzz out of camp that the guy just couldn't figure out who to block. Considering Tampa likes to do lots of deep routes, having a back that can block is really important.

Wondering if the guy hits the practice squad or if someone else grabs him first. Funny thing, people were referring to him as "McWeapon" a few weeks ago.

But, hey, at least he's not a second-round kicker.

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by Richie :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:15pm

I think San Francisco signed him to their practice squad.

Football Almanac liked him, so I picked him (late pick) on my fantasy team last week. Oops.

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by Dan :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 2:53pm

Cin PK Jake Elliott was an earlier 5th round pick.

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by dbostedo :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 4:29pm

Wow... more evidence that you generally should not draft a kicker

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by Bryan Knowles :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 1:57pm

We have a new leader in the clubhouse here -- Cardinals 4th round pick Dorian Johnson was not only cut, but he cleared waivers, as well. That's surprising.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 09/07/2017 - 7:59pm

I forgot about Hard Knocks. Teams call Colin Kaepernick a distraction, yet someone volunteers every year for that show, which seems like a HUGE distraction! Hypocrites.

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by MarkV :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 1:41pm

I'm rather surprised ward got cut. It also sucks for him because my impression is he is still excellent but requires the right scheme to succeed... And probably will have trouble getting there this year

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by ChrisLong :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 3:00pm

Packers also cut a 5th rounder, Deangelo Yancey. 13 picks after McNichols though. Not necessarily surprising given their depth at WR. They like Geronimo Allison a lot. Roster spots on the Packers are very precious this year, everyone looks like a contributor.

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by LionInAZ :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 4:23pm

Are NFI players eligible to return to their teams?

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by MJK :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 4:28pm

What do people think of the Brissett for Dorsett trade? Both teams take a risk, but it could be win-win. Brissett is just insurance for the Patriots in case Brady breaks down and Garapolo gets injured, and Dorsett was just adding depth at WR in Indy...

At least both teams preserve the number of players on their team with last names ending in double-t...

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by billprudden :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 5:14pm

well, if I had Brady I'd surround him with weapons too...

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by BJR :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 5:50pm

Sounds as though the Pats didn't want to carry three QBs on the roster so just took anything they could get for Brissett. Dorsett is a bust to this point, I'd be surprised if he had any impact on offence in NE, but he's a good athlete. He might contribute as a punt/kick returner?

Quite alarming that the Colts have only decided to address their backup QB position a week before the season begins.

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by Athelas :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 5:58pm

The Patriots didn't have anyone to do punt returns except Amendola and they would rather not have him do that. I think Dorsett will primarily fill that role.

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by jtr :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 10:42am

>Quite alarming that the Colts have only decided to address their backup QB position a week before the season begins

Well, they already have Scott Tolzien. I think this move means Luck is behind schedule on his shoulder injury so they need to carry three QBs to have two healthy players dressed early in the season.

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by CaffeineMan :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 10:40pm

Belichick has been possessed by the ghost of Al Davis:

- Phillip Dorsett 4.33
- Brandin Cooks 4.33
- Chris Hogan 4.39

Question is whether the O-line can give them all enough time to get downfield.

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by RobotBoy :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 12:04am

At those speeds they won't need much time. Granted, Brady's quick release makes the o-line look good but it was one of the better run-blocking lines in football last year. Their hall of fame line coach is back for another year and there's a lot of continuity on the line with several players who showed solid development over the course of the season and should be better.
Granted I'm a Pats homer but I thought Dorsett was at times misused in the Colts system, not to mention the truly terrible o-line and coaches trotting out a wounded Luck week after week to get pounded. It's hard to believe that Dorsett won't have better opportunities in the Pats offense.
I liked Brissett a lot though. Preseason is preseason but in the Giants game he showed improvement in his areas of major concern - accuracy and pocket project. On one touchdown throw he placed the ball perfectly even as he was being tackled - flicked a bullet forty yards downfield into a tight window while falling down. It's the kind of throw that Rodgers makes but not many others. Brissett has always had a cannon, is a fantastic runner, and strong as hell. Given that he came into the league very raw, he's come a long way and I think he has the ceiling of a decent NFL starter, or better, so the Patriots gave up plenty. That Giants game probably gave the Pats leverage to make the trade happen.
I see that Luck is off the PUP list but that it's unlikely he'll start Week I. Obviously it won't be Brissett. Barring injury, that means Brissett is a backup for the remainder of his rookie contract.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 6:34am

Maybe htat happened. Belichick mifht starrt wearing jumpsuits with sunglasses and slick backed hair. Willl gobfrom dumpy lookivng guy to coool dude

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by billprudden :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 7:13am

No no, were that the case, he would have (a) reached out to Pitt to trade for DHB and (b) signed Ted Ginn in FA!

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 4:21am

Garropollo becomes a free agent at the end of this year. I'd sort of expected the Pats to keep Brissett and dump Grop to keep their costs down.

Not sure how they handle this situation now?

- They trade/retire Brady and give Grop starter money. Seems unlikely.
- They tag him, he earns more than Brady.
- They offer him a backup contract of $6m with incentives for starting. Why would he take that when there'll be bigger offers elsewhere?
- They match any contract offer - that's going to cost at least $15m given that's what Osweiler got.
- They let him go. Who's Brady's backup with Brissett also gone?

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by PatsFan :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 1:24pm

I wouldn't be shocked if Brady privately told Belichick after SB51 "give me two more seasons to try to win a ring or two and then I'm hanging up the cleats." Plus, if I recall the cap situation correctly, Brady can't be cut or traded before the end of the 2018 season without NE taking a really big dead-money hit.

So maybe they strike some deal with Grop to give him a starter-level contract (otherwise why the hell would he stay in NE after this season) but structured such that the team can handle having both him and Brady on the payroll for 2018. Then Brady leaves after 2018 and Grop becomes the starter.

Not saying this is gonna happen. Or even that it's likely to happen. Only that I wouldn't be shocked if it did happen.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 3:45am

I won't argue against it because this trade really seems to go against Belichick's longterm approach to teambuilding and always having a backup plan (no pun intended). So it suggests to me there's something we don't know.

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by dryheat :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 8:48am

Well, we can conclude one of two things:

1) Jimmy Garoppolo is going to remain on the team in 2018, or
2) The Patriots have concluded that if Garoppolo leaves, Brissett is not the answer at backup QB.

Dorsett profiles as a poor man's Cooks, so once he gets up to speed, it should make for an interesting offense. Suddenly the Patriots have gone from 0 burners at WR to 2.

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by RickD :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:48pm

Hogan is also fast. Don't let his pale skin deceive you. :)

I also take the trade to mean that the Patriots will make at least some effort to retain Garoppolo. But we should keep in mind they won't pay him starter's money if he isn't starting. That means that likely one of the following two things will happen:

a) Brady will retire
b) Garoppolo will get a good offer elsewhere.

The Patriots have generally let players test the free agent market in recent years before making a serious offer. If Jimmy G hits the free market, somebody will pay him starter's money.

As for Brissett, I figure that was just the kind of calculation Belichick always makes. The value of an extra receiver right now is much higher than the value of a 3rd string QB. Brissett may well develop into a starter. A lot of Brady's back-ups have done so - I would put Brissett at about the middle of that crowd. Brian Hoyer has had a job for years and Brissett's ceiling is much higher.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 2:45pm

I didn't understand the Brissett draft then, and I don't understand it now.

He arguably has a high ceiling, but he's got a low floor, too. I can maybe/kinda see Belichick drafting him on the chance that he was quietly a Russell Wilson-type -- languishing in a sea of mediocrity at NC State. But he never looked like that. He was a break-the-pass running QB type that never seems to thrive in the NFL. He was a lesser Kaepernick.

Hoyer at least was a Brady clone who played in a pro-style college offense.

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by dbostedo :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:21pm

"Hogan is also fast. Don't let his pale skin deceive you. :)"

Not too sure about that... here are their combine 40 times :

Hogan : 4.5
Cooks : 4.33
Dorsett : 4.33

For comparison :
Edelman : 4.52
Amendola : 4.58

Hogan is not in the range that most would call a burner (usually sub 4.4).

(Of course, they're all very fast compared to the average person.)

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by Bryan Knowles :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:07pm

You don't expect all your draft picks to work out, but GB just cut a fifth-, sixth- and seventh-rounder from this last year's class, and PUP'd a fourth-rounder.

Admittedly, they picked seven players in those four rounds so not everyone got let loose.

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by dbostedo :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:13pm

Hmm... if a team drafts a lot of players in a given draft, wouldn't you expect to cut more of them than most teams too? I mean, unless your team is really awful, and every pick has a cost or performance benefit over someone already on the team.

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by Bryan Knowles :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 8:56pm

You'd expect the Packers to keep more than most because they're relatively inactive in free agency, but the sheer number of picks they made this year makes it harder for players to make the team in general.

The sixth- and seventh-round players being cut aren't a big deal at all; I was just amused by the numerical coincidence there. Cutting your fifth-round players is a slightly bigger concern, though.

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by LionInAZ :: Sat, 09/02/2017 - 9:33pm

The Packers' norm is to accumulate more draft picks than average through trades and FA releases.

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by ChrisLong :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 11:29am

Packers fans were mostly surprised by TT cutting tree picks, but when you look at who they cut it and what position they play it makes more sense. They cut two WRs (Yancey and Dupre), but WR is absolutely a strength of the team. 6 WRs who are all going to be solid contributors from scrimmage and/or on special teams, and Yancey and Dupre did absolutely nothing on special teams. (And all of Jose WRs were drafted or UDFA signed by the Packers too, so it's not some drafting failure.) The 6th-rounder Amichia was definitely a swing and a miss, but they also kept 10 at OL already.

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by ChrisLong :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 11:30am

Packers fans were mostly surprised by TT cutting three picks, but when you look at who they cut it and what position they play it makes more sense. They cut two WRs (Yancey and Dupre), but WR is absolutely a strength of the team. 6 WRs who are all going to be solid contributors from scrimmage and/or on special teams, and Yancey and Dupre did absolutely nothing on special teams. (And all of Jose WRs were drafted or UDFA signed by the Packers too, so it's not some drafting failure.) The 6th-rounder Amichia was definitely a swing and a miss, but they also kept 10 at OL already.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 4:42am

Vikings cut Boone when he won't take a pay cut, and the Vikings are unwilling to pay a back up like a above average veteran starter. They are going to start a 3rd round draft pick at lg, and a 2nd year guy with a few starts at center, and Remmers at RT, and a guy in his mid 30s at rg.

It's likely that another season goes by without anybody getting blocked, and it'll be the 7th season of the last 8 where that was the case, and the 8th wasn't much better.Ick.

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by morganja :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 4:26pm

Yikes. What is going on with Minnesota and the offensive line up there? Given their track record, it's hard to make the argument that they know something we don't about these linemen they are going to trot out there this year.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 7:16pm

It's the one reason that I'll really hammer Spielman, who I think has been pretty decent, with some bad injury luck with top draft picks. He simply has refused to use significant draft capital, or top level free agent money, on the offensive line. Since Spielman's been in Minny for about the past decade, he's used 1 first, 1 second, and if I remember right, 0 thirds, until this year, on the o-line. For years, his thinking apparently was that Peterson made chicken salad out of chickenshit, and to some extent that was very true; even in the year he went past 2000 yards, the blocking may not have achieved mediocrity. Charlie Johnson started on that line, fer' the luv' of John Hannah. Anyways, the piper now wants to be paid, and the account is empty. Ugh. Next to a marshmallow defense, a soft offensive line is the most frustrating way, to me, for a football team to struggle maintain mediocrity. I'm so sick of it, going into the eighth year, that I think I'll pick another team to watch most often this year.

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by morganja :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 10:12pm

I think that is what did Gettleman in down in Carolina. He was a jerk, he was alienating Richardson's favorite players, but even moreso, after running off Jordan Gross, he never did anything for the offensive line, letting Cam Newton get mauled year after year. He drafted to get leverage on contracts, rather than to win games.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 10:55pm

It amazes me that guys who have spent their entire adult lives in the game lose sight of the fact that it remains a contest about who can physically dominate the geography.

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by Sixknots :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 11:42pm

Seahawks fan says "Uhhuh"!

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 9:14am

Well, the Seahawks have just pursued the corallary, that if your defense thoroughly dominates the geography, then the offensive line doesn't need to. Trading a wr for Sheldon Richardson is consistent with that. If the Vikings, already with talent on defense, had used a 1st rounder last year or this year on an interior defensive lineman, instead of the wr or rb they picked, then I'd see some possible wisdom in continuing to neglect the ol. Instead, they draft guys to catch or run with the ball, without anybody who block consistently well enough to make those activities likely to succeed.

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by billprudden :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 9:39am

Sir -

Well said!

I feel like Bill Parcells' multiple team-building cycles well-illustrate that some in the league definitely get it. He'd go in, make the big uglies bigger and uglier, mate it to a culture of "accountability" for better or worse, and away they'd go.

I mean, how does this plan read?
1) Trade for Sam Bradford
2) Don't protect him

... they got real lucky last year.

Bill

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Sun, 09/03/2017 - 10:42am

Buccaneers sign T.J. Ward to a one-year deal. Being the one massive hole on that defense is at safety, this is at least theoretically a great signing.

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by jtr :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 7:45am

Are the Bucs still primarily a two-deep defense? If so, that seems like a bad fit for Ward, who seems like the kind of safety who needs to be kept near the line of scrimmage. Still probably couldn't be worse than Conte in a deep safety role though.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 8:40am

He's going to be the box safety; the Bucs traded FA acquisition J.J. Wilcox to the Steelers to clear up the roster spot. Conte remains the starter at this point. Inexplicably.

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by Eddo :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 10:17am

Has Conte been that bad playing deep safety for Tampa Bay? My impression when he was with the Bears was that he was actually an adequate centerfielder with decent ball skills, but an absolutely terrible tackler, so what you're describing sounds like it would play to his strengths.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 09/04/2017 - 9:32am

My personal hero, Chase Daniel, he of 78 career pass attempts in 8 seasons, is guaranteed 5 million plus this season, with more than 4 coming from his old team, the Eagles. That'll push his career earnings past 24 million dollars. Hopefully Brees stays healthy, with the Saints not in any blowouts. I really want to see if Daniel can get to 30 million in earnings, on fewer than 100 pass attempts.

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by Theo :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:48am

Yikes! Is he the leader in this stat $/PA? Do you keep spreadsheets?

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 8:36am

We are witnessing one of the great careers in NFL history. It's one thing to be a top of the draft bust, before the rookie wage scale. Jamarcus was paid 39 million on about 700 attempts that way. Daniel, in contrast, squeaked into the league, and has just played well enough, while apparently not being an insufferable a-hole, to hang around for what is approaching a decade, hardly ever getting on the field, and earning 24 million. That's awesome!

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 9:02am

They say some people are born under a lucky star and you have to think that Daniels is a shining example of it.

Part of his luck seems to be having never been exposed to a starting job. Therefore little-to-no injury risk and probably a good corporate guy that does and says the right things around the facility.

By comparison Matt Flynn came into the league at the same time, only has 357 career attempts for under $20 million but he's out of the league because teams actually got to see him in 7 career starts. And those included a 480-yd game!

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by justanothersteve :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 9:48am

Daniel (no "s") preceded Gabbert at Missouri. Daniel was a much better college QB than Gabbert, but was not considered by scouts to have an NFL arm so he went undrafted. Mizzou was a top 10 team during his tenure and he was a key reason why. Daniel is another one of those cerebral "students of the game" and it would not surprise me to see him go into coaching once his NFL career is over.

QBs drafted the year Daniel started his pro career: Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Pat White, Stephen McGee, Rhett Bomar, Nate Davis, Tom Brandstater, Mike Teel, Keith Null, and Curtis Painter. I actually was surprised no team took a late round flier on him given his success and some of those late round names.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:50am

Daniel it is then :-)

Coaches feel at ease with cerebral guys because they actually listen and contribute, in which I can see why they keep him around.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:29am

http://pfref.com/tiny/KLcET

Here are his comps.

Joe Webb and Josh Johnson had similar, if less lucrative, careers.

The real shining historical example is David Humm, who was the ur-Daniel. Active for 96 games, started 1, didn't throw a TD after career game 6. He was 3rd string on the 2-14 1981 Colts -- and deserved it.

A lower poster might be onto something with the type of guy who hangs around this long. Sam Wyche and Bill Musgrave had this kind of career, too.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:46am

David Humm got his teeth knocked out in the infamous game between the Raiders and Bears at Soldier Field in 1984.

There's a nice 3-min clip of him getting taken off with a knee injury in this article .. http://deadspin.com/what-it-was-like-to-play-in-the-most-violent-nfl-gam...

Not sure whether Chase Daniel will ever be in the sort of danger that the Bears 46 defense brought in this era of protected QBs !!

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by Travis :: Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:20pm

Gale Gilbert played from 1985 to 1995 (with a one-year absence in 1988), started 4 games, threw 259 passes, and collected 5 consecutive Super Bowl losers' shares.