Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

06 Aug 2017

Dolphins Sign Jay Cutler

The Miami Dolphins have agreed to a deal with quarterback Jay Cutler. Per Adam Schefter, it's a one-year deal for $10 million, plus incentives.

The former Commodores, Broncos, and Bears signal-caller had been headed to the broadcast booth with Fox, but the Fins lured him into a reunion with Adam Gase, one of his offensive coordinators in Chicago, after Ryan Tannehill's non-contact knee injury. As yet, no announcement has been made about Tannehill's status for this season or which course of recovery he will choose.

An updated version of KUBIAK that accounts for this will be available Monday.

UPDATE: Sorry to prune the discussion thread below, but we had gone from Jay Cutler to Colin Kaepernick to Donald Trump, and this is not the website for discussing your feelings about the current administration. We understand that any quarterback getting signed right now is going to lead to a discussion of quarterbacks that are available, and that leads to Kaepernick. We tried to leave some of those posts up below. However, that doesn't need to lead to larger posts that discuss politics separate from Cutler and Kaepernick. So let's try to keep the subject here on Jay Cutler, okay? Thanks.

Posted by: Tom Gower on 06 Aug 2017

89 comments, Last at 11 Aug 2017, 9:24am by Will Allen

Comments

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by morganja :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 3:33pm

Clearly Kap has been blackballed by the NFL. One wonders if their hubris will ever come back to bite them.

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by theslothook :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:15pm

I think Kaep is getting the Ray rice, Tim tebow treatment. It's not so much that they hate him, but the intense media firestorm means more headaches than the perceived value. Like it or not, a large contingent of football fans(not me) were aghast by his protest. It's them that explains Kaep's unemployment.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 5:28am

We need Kaep to put his salary demands out there in the open if we're to truly ascertain whether he's being blackballed ... and he's not going to do that.

Rumour had it up at $9-10million which he denied but even if it's $6-7million it's still more expensive than perennial backup/starters like Matt Schaub, Drew Stanton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer who earn around $3-4million. The salary cap is a huge factor in how you construct your team.

That Cutler didn't get any interest in the offseason shows that it hasn't necessarily been about Kaep being blackballed. Cutler is only now getting interest when a starter has gone down. Neither has had such a great career that teams are falling over themselves to sign him like post-Colts Peyton.

Kaep might appear like more of a backup but the fact that he opted out of his contract with the 49ers would leave me suspicious as a GM of whether he really wants to be a backup. He could have stayed there on his bigger contract and taken the money to sit behind someone.

I'm pretty certain Kaep and his agent know starting QBs will be getting knocked out of games over the next couple of months and he'll get his opportunity to sign and be a starter.

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by Alternator :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 7:22pm

I'm going to have to interject here - Kaep was told that if he didn't opt out of the contract, he was going to be cut. There was no option to sit as a backup and collect big bucks.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 5:07am

Appreciate the clarification, I haven't followed Kaep that closely.

If I were GMing I'd still question whether at 29 he's genuinely willing to be a backup or just angling to take over as a starter.

Even if you accept he is, the last thing most teams want is a potential QB controversy or to undermine the current incumbent.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 08/10/2017 - 8:06pm

Tebow was a headache more because he had so little NFL-caliber talent. Rice was caught committing a physical assault on a defenseless woman. The situations are hardly comparable.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 2:30pm

While the Kaepernick blackballing is without a doubt a real thing (that I REALLY thought the NFL was above by now), this doesn't have anything to do with it. Beyond the fact that Gase has worked with Cutler, it's not hard to argue that the Dolphins legitimately rated Cutler much higher than old Kaepertown.

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by johonny :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:45pm

It would also seem to indicate they're not very optimistic about Tannehill's potential to play this season. You read it's uncertain about where he stands, but 10 million for another QB would seem to indicate, they're pretty certain.

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by turbohappy :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:10pm

Well in Miami specifically the Castro thing is a factor too, much bigger than other markets.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 3:39pm
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by theslothook :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:12pm

I'll never understand the enormous hate Cutler gets. Not everyone can be Tom Brady And not everyone can have a Peyton Manning devotion to their craft.

There's a sense that the anger comes from how much he makes relative to his play, but even this argument makes little sense.

Cutler wants to be rich. We all do. If I could, I would ask to be paid a billion dollars an hour. Someone has to agree to pay that money. If you bemoan how much Cutler makes, you really should direct your anger to the GM's who sign him for that much.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:14pm

The lingering false impression from the 2010 NFC Championship Game is probably contributing. Not the the main issue, but contributing.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 5:57pm

There's a pretty wide gulf between "In the league for years while still killing his team with really sloppy mechanincs" and "devotion to his craft akin to Peyton Manning's".

I don't have disdain for the guy's play like I did for Jeff George, but for a highly intelligent guy with huge physical blessings, he sure left a lot on the table.

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by theslothook :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 6:56pm

Maybe, but why should that earn your scorn? Mike Vick openly admitted he didn't pay attention in the film room. Kaepernick has a big arm and sloppy overall mechanics with terrible footwork. Joe Flacco is the poster child for being overpaid. I guess they all have the same thing in common - big arms and no desire to devote significant time to the mundane aspects of quarterback play. Or is it a lack of devotion? Are they just too lazy or maybe its just bloody hard to get consistent mechanics in the heat of chaos.

If its the latter, then it should be entirely forgivable that he never mastered it.

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by dank067 :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 10:11pm

This may speak more to the Chicago scene than the national perception—and the Chicago media and meathead fans helped blow things way out of proportion—but I think the Cutler hate has largely been about unfulfilled expectations. Cutler's move to the Bears was accompanied by an incredible amount of hype. However much it was actually his fault (I think he was average at best but reasonable people can debate it), he/the offense fell flat out of the gate and the floodgates to criticism and scrutiny opened from there. Hence all of the noise about the demeanor, the laziness, the indifference, the NFC Championship Game injury, etc., most of which was unfair and had little to do with him as a player.

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by Pen :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:11pm

seriously.

Well, I've always said the NFL pandered to the racists. Now we know it is true.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:18pm

As someone who also thinks Kaepernick is being unfairly blackballed, I think that statement is a bit much. Gase and Cutler have a prior history together (producing one of Cutler's most successful seasons), so this signing makes total sense from a pure football perspective. It's not like they signed Ryan Fitzpatrick or Brock Osweilee.

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by theslothook :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 4:30pm

See my above comment. If it was purely racism, then why haven't any of the teams w black head coaches or black GM's not thought to sign him?

You either think all the owners put a mandated no or everyone including the black coaches and GM's are also racist.

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by t.d. :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 6:02pm

The Kaep debate seems like the ultimate echo chamber issue and Miami was a special case. Personally, I'd rather have Cutler- he's been a bit better, with worse teammates. He's better than Tannehill, too, imo. Kaepernick should've been signed by Baltimore- for the same reasons Cutler fits well in Miami, Kaepernick fits well in Baltimore (and it's a stealth opportunity to win the starting job- they've already hired Roman, who has had an excellent track record with mobile qbs, a skill set that does them no good with Flacco)

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by Noah Arkadia :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 7:12pm

I'm also fine with Cutler. Frankly, it's awesome that an option such as that was even on the table at this point. I get Kaepernick is being blackballed, but in my mind Cutler has always been the better QB, even when Kaep was rockin'.

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by ChrisS :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 11:41am

I'd be kind of leery of Cutler. I don't follow him super close but my feeling is that he was trending toward QB age induced ineffectiveness.

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by RobotBoy :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:35am

Actually, several sources in Baltimore have reported that both the GM and head coach wanted to bring in Kaep and were blocked by the owner.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:38pm

That would make sense, if true. There isn't a single minority team owner

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by andrew :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 1:24am

yeah not sure if the Miami reasons are the same as elsewhere.

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by morganja :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 7:07pm

The problem with the above argument is that the NFL has signed player after player with serious legal and moral issues. Someone is always willing to give a talented player a chance.
But Kap somehow is a worse sell to a fan base than Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Ezikiel Elliot, Johnny Manziel, Michael Vick, or any of dozens of other players we can name?
The owners certainly appear to have agreed, colluded, to prevent Kap from being signed. That's a serious criminal offense, as well as a serious ethical problem.
Does anyone think that if Kap had refused to stand for the anthem for some alt-right cause that the owners would have black-balled him?
The issue is that the owners disagree with Kap's politics. They are the ones imposing their politics onto the league.
If that is what they want to do, then it is time for the government to stop financing, subsidizing and exempting their cartel from the laws that the rest of us have to follow.

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by blan :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:13pm

The owners care about one thing above all others: money. Viewership was down last season, and some surveys suggest that was due to the anthem protests. All the owners are aware of this, so it makes sense that they would all not sign Kaepernick, based on their own individual incentives (ticket sales, tv viewership, jersey sales, etc.). No collusion is necessary.

Also,

Does anyone think that if Kap had refused to stand for the anthem for some alt-right cause that the owners would have black-balled him?

Are you American? Right wingers treat national symbols, like the flag, and traditions, like the national anthem, as part of a kind of civic religion. They would never protest anything by refusing to stand for the anthem.

That's actually the main issue here. More than the politics, the issue was the way Kaepernick was protesting. NFL viewers lean significantly Republican, and they saw the anthem protests as disrespecting the flag and the country as a whole.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:37pm

I actually agree with Kaep and many others about their concerns regarding different standards minorities are held to by law enforcement and the criminal justice system. The problem with his protest is that it was counterproductive in that it took away attention from his message. Instead of thinking about what his message was, the people he need to reach the most were instead raging about the method of protest. Is that silly? Maybe. But you won't get many people to see your point of view if you piss them off first.

That being said, Kaep should be on a roster, as a backup at the very least.

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by RobotBoy :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:00am

People who complain about a method of protest are very often the same people who don't agree with reason for the protest (except it is easier to say, 'I just don't like the way he did it,' than, 'I don't want to be bothered with this.'). The same except exact claim has been made time and time again against protestors. Boycotting apartheid was criticized because, 'It hurts South African blacks. They should a more constructive way to show their grievances.' The protests in the South in the Civil Rights Era were always criticized for unreasonably angering people. 'Why don't you go to the back of the bus rather than make this driver stop and have the police remove you?' 'Why are you sitting in at lunch counters and preventing people from getting fed? Isn't there another way?' 'Why are you marching in Selma when it's going antagonize white southerners. That's not how you're going to win them over.' Kaep's protest was extremely effective because he forced millions of people to confront the issue, in the same way Ali refusing induction or the Black Power salute at the '68 Olympics forced people to face an uncomfortable issue that they'd rather not think about it. At the time, many reacted critically to these acts but over time, they played a role in changing the climate on race in this country (look at the change in perception of Ali between 1966 and 1976, for example).
The fact that no team will hire Kaep is serving to keep his protest alive, even though it is costing him millions of dollars. What he did was brave and principled and he's paying a great personal cost for it. I might not agree with every one of his positions but damn, I have all kinds of respect for him.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 12:37pm

I think those examples you cited, while valid, are a little bit different. The patriotic crowd (which encompasses a large portion of NFL fans), think the flag and national anthem are very important...and think of Kaep as personally insulting to them. Here in Baltimore, the Ravens front office/coaching staff wanted to sign him, but sensing a fan revolt (the season ticket owners were very vocal about this), the owner put a stop to it (that's what the local beat writers say, anyway).

Personally, I have no problem with Kaep's protest, or any other form of peaceful protest. It's just that I think the negative reaction to it is about more than just racism.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:45pm

Really? Season ticket holders in Baltimore want to see their team lose games, rather than cheer for Kaeperson? Well, I'm afraid they're going to get exactly what they wanted.

And *I* just decided I'll be rooting against Baltimore all season, too!

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:14pm

I'm sorry, but having kaepernick would not appreciably change the number of games the Ravens would win lose. I don't think Flacco is that good, but neither is Kaepernick.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:20pm

I've heard enough from Cian Fahey lately to convince me that Kaepernick may have substantially improved his ability to get through his progressions from the pocket last year. Fahey's actually put the time in to educate himself, so I'm not willing to dismiss the possibility.

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by theslothook :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:30pm

The Kaep I saw in SF was pretty bad. I mean, when you are being benched for Blaine Gabbert, you are pretty much at the qb nadir.

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by ChrisS :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 9:58am

(Damning with faint praise) I do think Kaep outperformed Gabbert last year (5.9 ANY/A to 4.1 ANY/A).

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by Theo :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 2:34pm

I completely agree with you.
Keap did what he thought he should do and did nothing that I thought was weird or outrageous.
Some people THOUGHT it was disrespectful 'how dare you not to salute the flag' and 'it means a lot to me, why doesn't it mean the same to you?'. And I think he started a great debate.

I'm not American but I watch the debates and I don't think his stance should be held against him.

From a football standpoint - as a coach all I would want is him to be dedicated to winning games; political standpoints can be agreed or disagreed on. That's not going to be an issue watching the opponent's defense.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 11:06pm

His political stance is not that controversial. Many players and other Americans (including me) agree with him. It's mostly the national anthem controversy. I remember the 1968 Olympics controversy with Tommie Smith and John Carlos. I was just a kid but didn't think their Black Power salute was a big deal. But it was. It's weird how some Americans freak out over an issue to the point it's impossible to have a rational discussion.

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by morganja :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 10:58am

I know! Now let's discuss something rational, like Tom Brady vs. Chelsea Manning.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 08/10/2017 - 8:14pm

Good idea! Chelsea Manning might be better looking than Brady now. I can't be sure, I've only seen thumbnails.

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by barf :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 9:22am

I thought I read somewhere that Kap was asking for starter money, which would certainly limit his opportunities.

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by zenbitz :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:05am

sounds like horsepuckey to me. I guess it's possible that he has had offers that are too low. But the 32 QB starters have been more or less settled for the last 2 months, barring the 2 injuries - so even if this was ONCE true, it certainly isn't now.

But also I think given the number of teams who have sort of denied they aren't biased against them, I think they would jump to report that they made an offer that Kaep didn't take.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:14am

But Kap somehow is a worse sell to a fan base than Adrian Peterson, Ray Rice, Greg Hardy, Ezikiel Elliot, Johnny Manziel, Michael Vick, or any of dozens of other players we can name?

Manziel and Hardy don't have jobs.
Vick is retired.
AP is a HoFer.
Rice was maybe/kinda on that trajectory (although he might have been out of gas by 2013).
Elliott is the defending rushing champ and was 2nd in yards from scrimmage. He's 1st-team all-pro.

The only reasonable comp is Vick, but even Vick was 100% contrition. He also played for $3M/yr with a team option with the Eagles. He was $2M or less with the Jets and Steelers.

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by morganja :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:39am

Every single player on that list was hired by a team AFTER their 'incident'.

Except Ray Rice. I meant Ray Lewis.

Kap, on the other hand, has not had any offers since he made his non-criminal statement. The comparison is both apt and telling.

Ray Rice was a back nearing 30 who rushed for 3.1 yards/carry the year before.

Kap threw 16 TD to 4 Int, and ran for 458 yards for the San Francisco 49ers the year before, a Division III team playing in the NFL.

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by theslothook :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 1:06pm

Ray Lewis is a hall of fame player. Greg Hardy(a horrible human being) was an ace pass rusher. Kaep's numbers aren't worst in the league, but they aren't good and he was been bad for a while now. Believe me, if he could play like unwashed up Peyton Manning, he'd have a job tomorrow.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 08/10/2017 - 8:16pm

Kaepernick doesn't have anything to be contrite about. Unless he was asking for $20 million per year.

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by JohnxMorgan :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:02pm

That's a deceptively talented offense. Moore could surprise too, should he seize the job. But I'm no fan of Tannehill.

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by James-London :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:39pm

Skill positions are good; O-line? Not sure anyone knows. No guards with any pedigree, a center who hasn't played a 16 games in four seasons, a RT who is wildly inconsistent and Tunsil moving to tackle. There's a metric fu*kt-ton of "maybe" there and norhi g certain.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:51pm

And if it's the wrong kind of "maybe", Cutler isn't exactly know for his durability.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:08am

He's got a lot of experience with bailing the ball out of collapsing pockets, though.

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by James-London :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:35pm

I don't hate this, except that Tannenbaum is certain to have wildly overpaid, and probably found a way to have given up 2018 draft picks as well.

I wouldn't have hated Kaepernick either- I don't think Miami are going anywhere with either of them- and given Cutlers history with Gase and the Castro controversy from last season this is probably the best short-term move.

Longer term it might have been better to suck with Matt Moore and pick high/get a trade ransom in next years draft.

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 08/06/2017 - 8:54pm

It's not like Moore will give you an automatic top-5 pick. More likely a dull 6 to 8 win season. At least there's the excitement of the unknown with Cutler.

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by johonny :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:05am

I agree. They could have gotten Kaepernick for cheaper. Cutler is likely out for the season in week 3 and then they're going to sign Kaepernick anyways :) Personally thought they should go with Moore and sign the cheaper option for insurance. None of this matters. The Pats have won the division in August. Yawn, the season is over. I don't even want to watch this team lead by a truly blah Cutler as it struggles to stay in the wild card race until December. I'm circling the early Sunday starts and skipping the rest of the schedule. Another boring NFL season is coming Miami's way. If the NFL wants to know why fans like me aren't diehard fans anymore, it could have something to do with the Mayweather like predictability of their dull season.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:54pm

It's astounding that utterly hopeless teams like Washington still have fans at all. I'm lucky in that I moved from Washington DC to Denver ten yeard ago, and my new home team is actually worth rooting for. If I had stayed in Washington, I can't imagine that I would still be an NFL fan at all.

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by johonny :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:19pm

I think gambling and fantasy are what keep the NFL afloat these days. I go out to brunch for the morning games on Sunday. Week 1 you fight for a seat. By weak 10...it's open seating. I can't imagine paying to see a game live these days.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 10:40am

not sure you can have a pro-Castro guy playing qb in Miami. Miami marlins had to fire o. guillen afetr he made osme insensitive cuba-related comemnts. plus, cutler had working relationship in past with current miamim head coach. also, might be better pl.ayer than c. kaepernick. so, on two huge levels, cutler better option for Miami and possibly on three levels.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 11:02am

Yeah, the Castro thing is really problematic in Miami. If there was a NFL city where Native Americans comprised a big chunk of the fan base, I think the team would be hesitant to sign a guy who went out of his way to celebrate Andrew Jackson.

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by theslothook :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 11:42am

The Castro thing made me lose a ton of respect for Kaep. It's the same feeling I have for people who think che Guevara is cool.

Kaep clearly has not done his homework. Why is it cool to love communists?

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 12:08pm

I've not had much of an opinion of the guy outside of football performance, but the Castro thing leads me to suspect that he's just a run of the mill dipshit. It's not like he's a 20 year old anymore.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 12:44pm

Yea, I'd forgotten all about the Castro thing. It should be no surprise at all that a team located in Miami didn't even consider him.

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by Aaron Schatz :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:02pm

Hi everyone. So this part of the discussion, in case you didn't notice, got really, really, really far away from the concept of "Jay Cutler." There's no question that support for Castro would make Kaepernick particularly unpopular in Miami. There's no reason to go into Castro's history after that. There are plenty of websites that will tell you all about the history of Castro and why Cuban exiles in Miami don't like him. I don't think those details are necessary to a discussion of who should play quarterback for the Dolphins. Thanks for understanding!

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:10pm

Sorry about that.....

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 6:14pm

Although the idea of Smokin'Jay photoshopped between Fidel and Raoul makes me chuckle......

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by ChrisS :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 9:53am

My apologies

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by The Ninjalectual :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:57pm

Why is it cool to not love communists? Seems like a largely irrelevant issue

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 5:11pm

"Prominent athlete honors mass murderer" is reasonably seen as newsworthy, especially in a city where a lot of fans have close connection to victims of the mass murderer.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 08/10/2017 - 8:37pm

LBJ and Nixon can be considered mass murderers also with even less provocation. Mass murder is, unfortunately, a common state of affairs that many go through contortions of logic to excuse.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 08/11/2017 - 9:24am

Aaron has asked us to refrain from this area, but I am forced to note how offensive it is to imply that Castro was in some way provoked into machine gunning people in the water, for the offense of attempting to emigrate from Cuba.

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by James-London :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 12:26pm

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article165830872.ht...

A glorious week in Miami just keeps getting better...

Phil Simms is a Cretin.

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by morganja :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 2:12pm

Kap is an extremely devoted Christian. Unfortunately for him, his faith isn't pro-corporate like Tebow's.

Refusing to stand for the National Anthem is not only an appropriate form of non-violent protest, for a devoted Christian, it is appropriate in and of itself.

Except for when I was in the army,, I have never stood for the flag or the National Anthem because to do so is idolatry and a sin.

Each person's faith is their own, so I do not object to others standing for the flag or anthem. But when standing becomes compulsory, the flag or anthem is turned into an object of worship.

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by commissionerleaf :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:41pm

It is kind of insane that on this site, of all places, people still think that Kaepernick being unemployed is a surprise. Kaepernick was never good. Kaepernick was not improving during his tenure in San Francisco. He lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.

If he isn't as good as Blaine Gabbert, why would you think he had any reason to be employed?

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by bravehoptoad :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 8:21pm

The consensus in SF is that Kaepernick is much better than Gabbert.

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by MilkmanDanimal :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 11:16am

I'm pretty sure that's the consensus about everywhere. FO did do an article where Blaine Gabbert was, from an advanced statistical perspective, the singly-worst QB in decades.

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by commissionerleaf :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 1:02pm

I don't disagree. Although it makes you wonder why he lost the job to Gabbert, especially given that at that point he hadn't even made a spectacle of himself protesting, either.

I watched a fair amount of both Gabbert-brand and Kaepernick-brand 49ers football, and I have an answer, although I am only a little confident in it.

Blaine Gabbert was a bad NFL quarterback. He made dicey decisions, was not terribly accurate, did not have the wherewithal to make difficult throws, and had occasional yips on easy throws. He was a constant weight upon the offense compared to a league-average starter.

Colin Kaepernick was not an NFL quarterback at all. Blaine Gabbert at least looked like he was aware there was a plan on each play, even if he couldn't execute it as well as you'd like. Kaepernick looked like he was waiting for the play to break down. This often happened when a defender tackled him.

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by Independent George :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:48pm

Does anybody else remember the grand old days when politics was banned from FO discussions?

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:57pm

I hear ya', but the nature of Kaepernick's (non)employment situation pretty much mandates a political discussion in any thread pertaining to signing a quarterback. I was really, really, hoping he'd get signed so as to minimize this element.

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by Independent George :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 5:30pm

To an extent, but not to the level we're seeing.

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by morganja :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 3:59pm

The NFL has chosen to politicize itself in this case. It's appropriate to discuss it on a football site, at least as far as it impacts the NFL. Especially in the off-season. Perhaps we should discuss Peyton vs. Brady, who's the bigger doodyhead instead?

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by FrontRunningPhinsFan :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:49pm

Brady.

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by Alternator :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 7:22pm

This is easy, and I think both Patriots and Colts fans can agree:

Eli.

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by Theo :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 4:13pm

From what I've mostly read, we're discussing Keap's case, not politics.
Sure it touches or is politics, but we can not pretend this is football only.

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by Aaron Schatz :: Mon, 08/07/2017 - 5:13pm

Hi everyone.

I've done some pruning on the thread above. I understand that the Cutler discussion gets us into the Kaepernick discussion, but once we start getting into a discussion of racism or politics past Kaepernick, we're really beyond the bounds of this website. We would prefer to rein this back in to a discussion of quarterbacks and football. Thanks.

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by Bucs_Rule :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 11:06am

Do you know how win expectancy changes for Miami with Culter at QB?

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by jtr :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 11:33am

I'm curious to see how well he can play at this point. He's always been a suspect decision maker who bails himself out with a laser arm. That's the kind of quarterback who falls off a cliff when the arm strength fails him just a little bit. He might have been wise to ease into retirement when he did rather than wait for a collapse.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 12:02pm

Some players actually enjoy playing football, the camaraderie of the locker room etc, etc. Many struggle with retirement.

In the meantime, someone's willing pay him $10million for a season in sunny Miami playing a bunch of AFC teams that he doesn't usually get to face with his old mate Adam Gase.

He may well go off a cliff but he has no legacy to tarnish, it's not like he's headed for the HoF.

I can't see why he wouldn't do it unless his body is really screwed up in a Romo type way. He was probably dreading having to try and be a broadcaster! :-D

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 12:28pm

In observing Jay Cutler during games, an admittedly inexact method, I've never thought that camraderie with teammates is something that Ol' Jay values in a substantial way.

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by Floyd :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 10:00pm

Cutler is cursed with the male version of resting bitch face, or whatever it's called. Most signs point to him being a pretty good teammate. But people have taken his surly facial expressions along with his unfulfilled expectations and extrapolated them into him being a jerk.

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by jtr :: Wed, 08/09/2017 - 8:04am

That's definitely part of it. Beyond that though, I thought he always had a very flat demeanor in general. He would wander off the field away from his teammates with his shoulders slumped regardless of whether he just threw his fourth TD or his fourth INT of the game. I am really curious to hear him in the broadcast booth at some point to get a better read on his personality.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 08/10/2017 - 7:19pm

That sums up Cutler's career pretty well: it's not surprising to see him throw 4 tds or 4 ints in a game, or both at once.

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by mansteel :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 10:51pm

Recently I watched an youtube video where Irish people watched American football and commented on it (please don't judge). It was a Bears/Lions game and at one point they had a tight shot of Cutler's face while walking to the line of scrimmage and surveying the defense. One of the Irish dudes said, "Oh my god, why is he so sad? What's wrong with him?"

Of course I cracked up laughing, but the point is exactly the one Floyd makes: the look on his face just alienates people and I'm pretty sure is a big part of why so many fans have such an issue with a guy who has been a decent, if ultimately disappointing, NFL QB for a long time.

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by Will Allen :: Tue, 08/08/2017 - 10:53pm

Yeah, I'm not basing my suspicions on that, but rather on what I've read from teammates. I've never read anybody quoted as saying he was a bad teammate, but when somebody like Urlacher says.....

"He was just different,” former Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher said in studio on CBS Sports Radio’s Tiki and Tierney. “He wasn’t very talkative, is that the word? He was one of the guys. There was a couple years there where we played dodgeball on Saturday mornings. We had a good time in the locker room, but it just didn’t ever seem authentic, I guess. I’m not sure the way to put it. But he was a good teammate. Never had any issues with him. The media always made him worse than he was, I believe, because of the way they got him on the sideline making those faces. But off the field, he was okay.”

....it indicates to me that camraderie wasn't a big deal to him.