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31 Aug 2005

Four Downs: NFC South

by Russell Levine

Atlanta Falcons

Jobless

In a move that had been brewing all offseason, the Falcons released wide receiver Peerless Price in the first roster cut-down on Tuesday. Price, acquired from Buffalo at the cost of a first-round pick and a $10 million signing bonus before the 2003 season, never developed into the No. 1 receiver the Falcons thought they were acquiring.

Now I've made no secret of my feelings about Michael Vick's passing ability, so it's fair to ask the question, is it Price's fault that he didn't perform to the expected level? The answer: mostly.

Price earned his trade and pay raise after starring opposite Eric Moulds in Buffalo in 2002. But with the Bills, Price was never the No. 1 wideout and rarely faced the other team's top corner. In Atlanta, Price was paired with a cast of has-beens and never-weres (Dez White, Brian Finneran, et al), none of whom offered him any relief from the best defensive backs on the other side of the line of scrimmage. Facing better coverage, Price simply failed to get open regularly enough, and appeared to lose interest during the frequent times Vick was unable to get him the ball.

When the Falcons drafted receivers in the first round the last two years, the handwriting was on the wall. Even with this year's top pick, Roddy White, battling a high-ankle sprain, GM Rich McKay chose to cut ties with Price now when it was obvious he was going to eventually be pushed down the depth chart by White and 2004 rookie Michael Jenkins.

It was probably easier for McKay to make the move, given that he was running the Buccaneers at the time the Falcons acquired Price.

Carolina Panthers

Flawless?

Let the Sports Illustrated cover jinx talk commence -- Dr. Z has issued his NFL predictions and he likes Carolina to win it all.

If the Panthers start to suffer a rash of injuries anything like last year's plague, we'll know there's something to it.

I like Z's line of thinking. Most of the injured players have healed, giving the defensive line its bite back and returning to quarterback Jake Delhomme his top weapon in wideout Steve Smith.

Then there's last year's finish. Carolina went 6-2 in the second half to just miss the playoffs. We looked into how teams that finished strong, yet missed the playoffs, fared the following season, and the results suggested that there's little connection to the next year's results. However, the Panthers are a team that knows success, having gone to the Super Bowl after the 2003 season before injuries torpedoed last year, so I think it's fair to suggest that last year's finish is more emblematic of the team's ability than the 1-7 start.

The Panthers are also well-equipped to attack their division rivals. They have the D-line quickness to contain Michael Vick, the punishing ground game to hit the Buccaneers in their weakest spot, and the … well, how do you attack the Saints, the NFL's most schizophrenic team? Creating chaos around Aaron Brooks is a good start.

(Ed. Note: I've talked about this before, but with apologies to Russell, the Saints are not schizophrenic. They are actually the NFL's most consistent team. Over the past couple years, with a couple exceptions, they've always lost to better teams and beaten worse teams.)

New Orleans Saints

Homeless?

The NFL rarely drops the ball when it comes to public relations, so it was a shock when Adam Schefter reported Monday on the NFL Network that the league didn't foresee problems with the Saints playing their home opener at the Louisiana Superdome on September 18 despite the effects of Hurricane Katrina.

At the time of the report, New Orleans was under rising flood waters that continue to climb at this moment. The Superdome is currently home to anywhere from 15,000-30,000 refugees with no other place to go. The city's mayor said on TV Tuesday night that despite a situation in the dome that is devolving towards chaos, those encamped their may have to remain for another week. There are two large holes in the roof, and the entire outer covering was ripped off by the storm. The city may not have fully restored electricity for 8-12 weeks. But no problem -- the NFL thinks it can play a game their in under three.

Keep in mind, Schefter is not an NFL spokesperson, but he is employed by the NFL Network, and therefore can be seen as speaking for the league. I'm shocked the NFL allowed his report to air. The league should have said nothing, and instead offered a massive donation to the American Red Cross. To suggest that a game could be played in New Orleans in that time frame is at best premature and at worst completely insensitive. Compare the NFL's actions to those of LSU, which came through the storm relatively unscathed in Baton Rouge. Because the LSU campus is being used as a staging area for rescue and recovery operations, the school quickly postponed its home opener, scheduled for September 3, saying it would be inappropriate to play a football game in the midst of what's going on.

As for the Saints, they packed up ahead of the storm and are currently practicing at San Jose State in California. By Wednesday, the team announced plans to practice at the Alamodome in San Antonio. A site for the home opener has yet to be determined, but it's looking more and more likely that the Saints may be homeless for a significant portion of the season, if not all of it. They could end up playing games at LSU, the Alamodome, Reliant Stadium in Houston, or some combination thereof.

You have to wonder how this will affect the team. Yes, football players are well paid and the storm will not impact them the way it has much of the local population, But they still have worries about their homes, loved ones, and personal property -- all questions they won't be able to answer until they can return to New Orleans. If the Superdome and the team's practice facility in Mettarie become untenable, they will become NFL nomads for the foreseeable future. It's a situation that could bring the team closer together, or it could destroy the season before it even starts. There aren't too many similar examples to draw upon. Teams have been uprooted for a game or two -- the Dolphins faced multiple schedule changes during last year's hurricane season -- or even for a year, such as the season the Tennessee Oilers commuted from Nashville to Memphis for every game. But no team in the modern era has faced such uncertainty as the Saints face right now.

There are also interesting connotations for the team's future. Owner Tom Benson is currently involved in contentious negotiations with the city for upgrades or replacement of the Superdome. He's said to be a likely candidate to pull up stakes and relocate to Los Angeles. But with his team's home city facing such a catastrophe, public pressure may make it too difficult for him to leave now, even though the city is unlikely to find the money to make him happy when it is facing so many other problems.

Tampa Bay

Punchless

Having watched most of Tampa Bay's three preseason games, I can say with confidence that when it comes to the Buccaneers, the status quo remains largely unchanged. The offensive line has struggled with ineffectiveness and injury. The defensive line has struggled to stop the run. The team seems to have a penchant for bad penalties that borders on the pathological.

I'm not sure how much longer offensive line coach Bill Muir can hang on to his reputation as one of the league's finest if his units continue to struggle. Of course, it would help if the team could get him some top-shelf talent. That the Buccaneers re-signed Todd Steussie during training camp and soon had him playing with the first units, albeit due to injury, does not bode well.

Perhaps wary of the line's ineffectiveness, coach Jon Gruden has limited the touches this preseason of his prized rookie, running back Cadillac Williams. I'm all for not exposing players needlessly to injury in the preseason, and my guess is that in the early part of the season, Williams will cede the playing field to Michael Pittman on passing downs until he proves to Gruden that he has mastered the blitz pickup.

At quarterback, Brian Griese has been workmanlike but somewhat unproductive in the offseason, although he has had some long passes called back by penalty. Unlike last season when he came out of camp third-string, Griese is the clear-cut starter. It's behind him that the battle is taking place. Gruden has publicly challenged Chris Simms to produce more or risk losing his spot on the depth chart to Luke McCown, who has looked good playing against third-string defenders.

If there's one bright spot for Tampa Bay, it's that the team looks to have solved its kicking woes. Both Matt Bryant and Todd France have been steady with field goals and deep with their kickoffs. The competition won't be decided until after the final preseason game. Other battles still in play are the fourth, fifth and sixth receivers, and the starting free safety spot, where former Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson is battling to hold off second-year man Will Allen.

There were no real surprises in the first round of cuts, and the only noteworthy player to be let go was running back Charlie Garner, officially closing the door on another ill-fated signing of 2004.

This is the last edition of Four Downs: NFC South for 2005.
This weekend: The final Four Downs for the AFC East.

Posted by: Russell Levine on 31 Aug 2005

38 comments, Last at 06 Sep 2005, 11:45pm by Danny

Comments

1
by NYCowboy (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 10:38pm

I can't even imagine what the people affected by this devastating hurricane are going through. I don't think the Saints will be able to play in New Orleans for awhile, although maybe football would be good for the locals to take their minds off things for a couple of hours.

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by mikeabbott (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 10:54pm

RE: Katrina
I would guess the bottlenecks in helping people would be in communications and transportation. Both of these would be heavily stressed by an NFL game in the midst of the rebuilding.I would be very surprised to see an NFL broadcast from the damaged areas until it was a case of 'hey everybody we got the lights back on , go home.' and that could be a while.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:25pm

#1:

Actually, my wife and I were thinking that it would be extremely good for the Saints to either a) donate most, if not all, of the profits of any games outside of NO to help rebuild New Orleans, or b) offer free admission to residents of New Orleans.

Not only is it the right thing to do, but it's probably better for them in the economic long run. The faster New Orleans recovers, the better for them. And maintaining fan interest is probably very important.

It's one of those rare situations where altruism and capitalism agree.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:30pm

I’m shocked the NFL allowed his report to air. The league should have said nothing, and instead offered a massive donation to the American Red Cross.

Incidentally, the league is donating $1M to the Red Cross. Yah, maybe they should donate more, but at least it's something.

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by usedbread (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:45pm

im pretty sure that its luke mccown(formerly of the browns)playing for the bucs, not josh mccown(his brother, who started for the cardinals last year, and should be starting again by week 4, or as soon as kurt warners head gets knocked off.)

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by Russell (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:47pm

I wrote the Saints section Wednesday morning after reading of that Schefter report on Tuesday. To be fair, all of the talk now is that it's looking unlikely that the Saints can play in the Superdome at all this season. They may well end up playing at LSU all year.

Obviously, football is not important at a time like this -- that goes without saying, but I do think their is value in having something for a community to rally around. Maybe the Saints will be hit with a dose of good karma this year and give those people some emotional releif for three hours a week .... the same sort of karma that had a team called "Patriots" win the Super Bowl a few months after 9/11.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:52pm

The moment that covering was ripped off the roof, the chances of the Saints playing in the Superdome this year were slim. You can't put 70,000 fans in a stadium with a damaged roof, and that repair sure doesn't look to be as simple as re-inflation, ala' the Metrodome. Once the levees were breached, the chances dropped to zero. They'll be unlikely to play there next year; there just are way too many other more important priorities that will be hard to address completely in the next 12 to 14 months.

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by Russell (not verified) :: Wed, 08/31/2005 - 11:52pm

Re: 5

Good catch. I hate it when I get my fighting McCowns mixed up. It has been fixed.

Also, to clarify, Schefter's report aired on the NFL Network on Monday night, before the levees were breached in New Orleans on Tuesday morning. So the situation was not nearly so catastrophic at that time, but I still think it was insensitive to be speculating that wildly at a time when the mayor was saying the city would be without electricity for 4-6 weeks.

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by shane s. (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 12:49am

If I remember correctly, the seahawks had to play at husky stadium for a while, while they were building the new place. that's about the closest I can remember to anything like what the saints are going through.

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by Sean (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 1:56am

The Titans played in Memphis and then at Vanderbilt's stadium before they finally got their own digs in Nashville. They went from perennial 8-8 to 13-3 and the Super Bowl, which should give you an idea as to how unsettling it can be for an NFL team to be rootless (and that's without any kind of disaster to be worrying over).

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by IzzionSona (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 1:57am

RE #9: Didn't the Bears play in Champaign for a season while Soldier Field was being renovated? Not that the Bears have fielded a professional football team in a few years, but...

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 2:06am

Just thought I'd mention this here if anyone was interested. The gang over at BaseballThinkFactory is starting to organize a drive for folks to get together, probably in early October, and collect baseball equipment & money for the hurricane victims. (Check the link for more details, although it's still fairly nebulous at this point.) Even if you're not big baseball fans, you can come, talk some sports, drink some beers, and help out. And don't worry, they're talking about a Saturday. :)

13
by Jerry Garcia (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 9:11am

...just what I need when I'm drowning in polluted flood water:

Baseball equipment!

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by Theo (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 9:25am

About the Tampa pentalties:
I saw a movie on NFL.com (you know, on the right) where coach Gruden barks out some offensive plays. One play takes about 3 minutes to call. It can't be normal for an offense to have that kind of play calling.
"3 stash over red, zebra left, red post. Read zebra hitch left. Delta. 2 Read, left out."
:D

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by TMK (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 11:10am

The Bears played a year in Champaign, whining all the time about how hard it was to play "an entire season on the road." Sleeping in their own beds at night, and practicing at Halas Hall seemed to be ignored by a bad team looking for excuses.

Which is ridiculous, of course. Having sat in those stands at Champaign, I can tell you that the place was full of Bear fans. What was hard about that season was watching the Bear offense. Carolina spent at least one season playing at Clemson when they started up.

The Saints, however, will spend the entire year on the road -- practicing in San Antonio and playing in Baton Rouge (I think taking the team out of Louisiana right now would be a swift kick in the teeth of people who don't need any more kicking right now). They'll either become national favorites or a total mess -- but I don't think there's much grey area in between.

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by Neil (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 11:18am

Hate to point this out, since we generally rip Senor Mexico here at FO, but if Carolina can stop him, they haven't shown it historically, and they get two chances each year.
In six career games (5 starts), Los Mexicanos are 6-0 over the Panthers, with a margin of victory a sickening 186-78, with two blowouts in the Panthers Super Bowl year, and two OT games. Carolina gave up Vick's first NFL rushing TD in a game he didn't start, which Atlanta won by 8 points. Carolina lost the next two games he played in by a combined score of 71-0.
He had a horrible passer rating against them last year (just under 70), but still managed to do "what he do", and pull a last-ditch victory from somewhere out of an alternate reality, which only incidentally knocked Carolina out of the playoffs.
I want to see them win at least once before it is asserted that they "contain" him.

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by JonL (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 12:43pm

"They’ll either become national favorites or a total mess – but I don’t think there’s much grey area in between."

So, they'll either become national favorites, or no change.

Zing.

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by WeaponX (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 2:59pm

RE: 16

The 2 blowouts didn't come in the Panthers superbowl year, it was the year before with the juggernaut offense led by Rodney Peete,Weinke and Fasani (three real zingers there). Those 2 horrible games skew the stats pretty badly. The games since the 2 blowouts have been pretty good. It's not just Vick, Atlanta has allways given Carolina fits.

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by Björn (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 4:39pm

I don't see the Saints ever returning to NO; I think they will move to Los Angeles. On the news yesterday night, they led into the story by saying "New Orleans is on it's way to becoming a ghost town." While I don't think that it will go that far, I really don't think that the city will be able to support a pro sports franchise.

20
by Bright Blue Shorts (not verified) :: Thu, 09/01/2005 - 4:40pm

I think the Saints might have a focused season. Too often we hear football players muttering "I can't afford to feed my family"; and then they see real adversity, and they realise what they have. Throw in the fact that they now have a cause to play for, and they might get something going.

Of course, it didn't really help the Giants or Jets; but I read that the Mets were pretty up for it post 9/11 and almost recovered their season to make the playoffs.

BBS :)

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by NextCoast Winos (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 4:34am

To take an example from another, albeit lesser, sport, the 1994 Seattle Mariners were forced to spend a significant amount of time on the road after several tiles fell from the late, great Kingdome's roof. I don't have any numbers in front of me, but they were among the hottest teams in baseball the last four-six weeks before the strike. The 1995 season, legendary in Seattle's baseball memory, started a seven year run of winning baseball in a town where there had been no such thing before. In the years following the 1995 season, players would often cite that forced barn-storming existance as a bonding experience that lead to their (relative) success in the years that followed.

I know that falling tiles are not a Wrath of God grade Hurricane; and I know that baseball is not football.

But an accidental year on the road could induce a team chemistry on the Saints that has seemed a bit lacking in the past.

Personally, if ownership uses this to leverage a move to somewhere else this year (Los Angeles) I'll hate them as much as I still hate the Ravens ownership (and Los Angeles, while I'm at it). If they do the right thing and slug it out in Baton Rouge as a thin ray of hope or distraction to a state that desperately needs both, they're my new favorite team that isn't my Seahawks.

Give Blood.

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by Bright Blue Shorts (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 7:50am

I had also considered the bonding/nomadic factor. If you will cast your minds back to 1991 and the inaugural season of the WLAF (now NFLE); the winners were the London Monarchs. The players had no distractions from friends and families, and just got on with playing and training. In later years the American franchises were dropped, so it became a level playing field for all players over in Europe in that respect.

BBS :)

23
by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 10:55am

(Ed. Note: I’ve talked about this before, but with apologies to Russell, the Saints are not schizophrenic. They are actually the NFL’s most consistent team. Over the past couple years, with a couple exceptions, they’ve always lost to better teams and beaten worse teams.)

As a writer, having an editor stepping on my copy like that would really bother me.

24
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 12:02pm

Bjorn,

The national media are overblowing a lot of things. If you want an accurate depticition of NOLA, go to the link.

25
by Russell (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 1:32pm

Re: 23

Chris, thanks for looking out for me, but I didn't take it that way at all. Aaron's role is to debunk popular notions about teams and player through the use of advanced metrics, and here is a case where I think he's providing a valuable point to readers that the Saints may not be what they appear.

I still maintain they're schizo because they're just as likely to win by 35 or lose by 35 in the same season, but hey, that's just me.

26
by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 2:08pm

An interesting letter from CNN.com:

There was a Saint in New Orleans during the wrath of Hurricane Katrina and his name is Joe Horn, pro-football player for the New Orleans Saints. As I sat in my room at the Hilton Riverside, New Orleans, on Saturday two days before Katrina was scheduled to directly hit New Orleans, I weeped while I phoned home to North Carolina, to speak with my mother and my children. It had been confirmed that my flight was canceled along with that of my husband and 50 others. We all were frantically trying to evacuate. I sobbed as I was told by each rental car company that there were no cars available. I thought I was trapped. But, unbeknownst to me my mother had placed a call to Joe Horn to see if he could help. I hadn't spoken to him in over 20 years. Joe was a friend of my sister's in high school and had always kept in touch with my mother. This wonderful man personally came to pick up my husband and I and arranged for his driver to drive us from New Orleans to Atlanta, Georgia, at his expense, at which point we could fly on to Fayetteville, North Carolina. I'm still amazed at his generosity and I will always be grateful to him. There is truly a saint in New Orleans!! Thank you, Joe Horn. You're my hero!!

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by B (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 2:14pm

I think any team where the QB attempts a 10-yard backwards pass to an offensive lineman can be safely labeled "schizophrenic"

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by D. Elliott (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 4:57pm

The Panthers are also well-equipped to attack their division rivals. They have "the D-line quickness to contain Michael Vick..." When did this happen. Even when healthy They have not contained Vick.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 5:06pm

Re: 25

Russ,

You are good to take it that way, but he should debunk in his own writing, or even in the comments section — not in the middle of your copy. If he trusts you to write for the site, then he should let you write.

Just my $ 0.02.

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by Vince (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 5:31pm

Chris: It could have been worse. I'm a copy editor for an outdoors magazine. If our writers write something I don't like, I just change it or take it out. If they don't like it, I get new writers.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 09/02/2005 - 5:54pm

Yah, I have to agree with Vince. I think Aaron's way of handling it is really good - it projects a consistent image while allowing for disagreements. We know that Aaron (and me, if you read the link!) can make a strong case for New Orleans being consistent, whereas Russell still prefers to call them schizophrenic.

I think you're both right. They're crazy, man. Crazy like a fox! It takes skill to consistently be that bad a football team!

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by kjbad (not verified) :: Sat, 09/03/2005 - 2:54am

RE #3:

The NFL has a problem on their hands. They donated $1M to help the relief effort, but if Benson exercises his clause to leave after the state defaults on its $12M payment (and it will-no sense wasting that kind of $$$ on a team when whole cities are underwater), Benson has to pay Louisiana $81M before he can leave town. If i'm a city representative, I'm asking Benson if he's willing to pony up the $$$ now...people may accuse him of abandoning New Orleans, but he would actually be giving them much-needed cash to rebuild while getting his wish.

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by Vote for Kalas (not verified) :: Sun, 09/04/2005 - 6:07pm

In the fabled Carolina Panthers 6-2 finishing kick, which has gotten more press than Miami's undefeated season and the Pats dynasty stories combined, they really had to dig deep and work hard to beat the following legendary 2004 squads:

San Francisco
Arizona
Tampa Bay 2X
New Orleans
St. Louis

Grand total of their 2004 records: 29-51. Then they lost to the 11-5 ATL team which is nothing to be ashamed of EXCEPT that their record versus playoff teams all year was 1-7, their lone win was against those mighty Rams...

Then with the playoffs on the line, the coughed up a game against those intimidating and relentless Saints...

Please, the Panthers are a good team, but the hyperbole, mania and bending over for them is scary IMO and approaching nausea defcon stage 1. They finished 7-9. Sure they had alot of injuries, but they started the season 1-7 so even when healthier they did squat...

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by WeaponX (not verified) :: Sun, 09/04/2005 - 11:06pm

Vote for Kalas,
They were in bad shape injury wise right off the bat last season. There never was a healthier time for them except for game one, when Davis was first hurt and Smith went down for the year. Seriously though "nausea defcon stage 1"?

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by Vote for Kalas (not verified) :: Mon, 09/05/2005 - 1:03am

WeaponX-

Yea, it is approaching nausea for me and did for me last year when the media cheered for Carolina openly as they rolled up their great finishing kick as I stated against some very poor competition...and called them the Class of the NFC and the team NO ONE wanted to play in the playoffs...lol...the Eagles crushed them and would have crushed them again...it was truly scary to listen to especially when the media was saying without Owens Philadelphia was doomed....lol...the Eagles have had bad injury problems almost every year since 2000 and they have not lost more than 5 games...in 2003 with probably the worst run of injuries we had we made it to the NFCCG for the 3rd year in a row...they never make excuses and the media is openly rooting for Carolina again this year...I just get sick of hearing how great they are, it is one of my pet peeves...lol...bring them on I say...healthy or not, we will roll them IMO...

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by weaponx (not verified) :: Mon, 09/05/2005 - 3:32am

bah, it made for a good story after that sorry start last year. The Eagles had homefield advantage locked up and other than that, there really wasn't much to talk about in the NFC late last year. Hopefully we'll get to see about that rolling.. I know a lot of folks had that opinion come playoff time in 03.

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by Vote for Kalas (not verified) :: Mon, 09/05/2005 - 12:44pm

2003? No, we had to bite, scratch and claw our way to the NFCCG and we did that, but we had nothing left and Carolina took advantage of that by playing a good game...we stunk in that game...I knew we were not rolling Carolina in that game...but that was then and now is now...we are a better team and hopefully can be more healthy one of these years...as for good stories for the media, I do not buy it...they just dislike Philadelphia and love to pump Carolina for whatever reason....it is the same with Favre even though he is a shadow of his former self as a QB...or Green Bay in general IMO...Reid and McNabb do not play the media game and mock them in many ways...so they root for teams to beat them...Hoge this year picked Dallas after picking Washington last year..lol..Dr. Z has Dallas too...it is great to see them proven wrong every year...lol..

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by Danny (not verified) :: Tue, 09/06/2005 - 11:45pm

I don't understand the argument "...they just dislike Philadelphia and love to pump Carolina for whatever reason…." Until this preseason the best The Panthers have gotten has been "the underdog fighting for respect line." And I've heard how Philadelpia is great so much my brain is bleeding. The fact is Philadelphia has been great during a time when the NFC has been mediocre at best. It's king of the hill and the Eagles are on top at the beginning.

Being a Panther fan, of course I am biased. Yes, they had a bad year but they were not a bad team. Any team that loses 14 major players to injury is doing well to finish middle of the pack.

I'd put less stock in what the media says and look at what the free agents are doing. Ken Lucas actively sought to play in Carolina. Chris Draft and Idrees Bashir(both starters last year) signed to be backups. Mike Wahle could have gone anywhere he wanted. These guys seem to think Carolina is the place to be.