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11 Aug 2011

Four Downs: NFC East

by Brian McIntyre

Dallas Cowboys: Is there enough depth at wide receiver?

When the Dallas Cowboys used the 24th overall pick of the 2010 NFL Draft on Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant, they became one of the deepest groups of receivers in the league. Miles Austin was coming off his breakout season, earning Pro Bowl honors for the first time with 81 receptions for 1,320 yards and 11 touchdowns. By our advanced statistics, Austin finished fourth in receiving DYAR and fifth in DVOA. Dallas also had the talented-but-inconsistent Roy Williams, Patrick Crayton (who ranked 32nd in DYAR and 16th in receiving DVOA in 2009), Sam Hurd, and Kevin Ogletree, a second-year undrafted free agent from Virginia that the club was high on.

Crayton was shipped to the San Diego Chargers last September, where he posted a DYAR of 172 and DVOA of 41.1% before dislocating his wrist and missing the final six games. This offseason, Williams was a salary cap casualty and both he and Hurd have signed free agent contracts with the Chicago Bears. That leaves Austin, Bryant, and a group of receivers that has combined to appear in 36 NFL games with just 11 receptions for 136 yards. Most of that production comes from Ogletree, who caught three passes for 34 yards in six games last season before joining Bryant on injured reserve.

According to our game-charting data, the Cowboys used three-plus wide receivers on 46 percent of snaps, which ranked 17th in the league. Four-plus wide receivers were used on just 3 percent of snaps, with head coach/offensive coordinator Jason Garrett using more two-tight end sets (34 percent, 10th in the league). Still, given that Bryant is coming off an injury-plagued rookie season and remains under consideration for continued use in the return game, the Cowboys should be in the market for an experienced No. 3 receiver.

Philadelphia Eagles: Who wins the middle linebacker job?

Few NFL executives were as busy as Eagles general manager Howie Roseman during the post-lockout free agent frenzy. Roseman acquired cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie from the Arizona Cardinals in the Kevin Kolb trade before using the team's abundant salary cap space on All-Pro cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, Pro Bowl defensive end Jason Babin, and defensive tackle Cullen Jenkins, addressing their most pressing post-draft needs. Roseman also added depth on the offensive line (Evan Mathis, Ryan Harris) and former Top 5 picks in quarterback Vince Young and running back Ronnie Brown to backup Michael Vick and LeSean McCoy.

One question that remains is who starts at middle linebacker. Once teams were allowed to resume communication with their players, the Eagles informed the oft-injured Stewart Bradley that he would not be re-signed this offseason. (Bradley later signed five-year, $30 million contract with the Arizona Cardinals.) Replacing Bradley, at least for the start of camp, is 2011 fourth-round pick Casey Matthews. At 6-foot-1 and 230 pounds, Matthews is much smaller than Bradley, who stands 6-foot-4 and weighs 258 pounds, and is not dynamic athlete. Instead, Matthews is an instinctual player with a high football IQ who showed a knack for making the big play (30 tackles for a loss, nine quarterback sacks) from his inside linebacker position at the University of Oregon. Last season, former Eagles defensive coordinator Sean McDermott frequently blitzed his linebackers –- the Eagles used zone blitzes on 12.3 percent of defensive plays, second-most in the league -– yet they accounted for just 10.3 percent of the team's 39 quarterback sacks. Matthews' instincts may increase the effectiveness of first-year coordinator Juan Castillo's blitz packages.

If the responsibilities associated with playing the position are too much for the rookie, second-year linebacker Jamar Chaney, who has been working on the strong side, could move to the middle. A seventh-round pick in 2010, Chaney replaced an injured Bradley at middle linebacker for the final three meaningful games last season. In those three starts, which included the playoff loss to the Green Bay Packers, Chaney totaled 33 tackles and a forced fumble. Or, as they have with great frequency this offseason, the Eagles could look outside the organization for an answer. Three-time Pro Bowl middle linebacker Lofa Tatupu, who would add experience and leadership to a very young group of linebackers, could be an interesting fit in Philadelphia.

New York Giants: Will the young defensive tackles step up? Who takes over at tight end?

The Osi Umenyiora standoff has dominated the headlines at the start of camp, with the two-time Pro Bowler riding the stationary bike in the Tour de East Rutherford while his teammates practice and his agent negotiates a new contract or orchestrates a trade. Despite that, the Giants are actually well-stocked with pass-rushing ends. Justin Tuck is coming off another double-digit sack season, 2010 first-rounder Jason Pierre-Paul showed flashes of pass-rush potential last season, and recent re-signing Mathias Kiwanuka was off to a fast start in 2010 (four sacks in three games) before a neck injury ended his season. Besides, when Umenyiora missed the entire 2008 season with a knee injury, the Giants defense ranked seventh in Adjusted Sack Rate.

The bigger question along the defensive line is how will they replace the interior pass rush that new Washington Redskins defensive tackle Barry Cofield provided over the previous five seasons. Chris Canty has shown little in terms of pass-rush ability (two quarterback sacks in 24 games) since signing a seven-year, $42 million contract. 2010 second-round pick Linval Joseph, who the team is counting on to start, appeared in just six games as a rookie and didn't record a hurry. The Giants used another second-round pick in 2011 on North Carolina defensive tackle Marvin Austin, who posted nine quarterback sacks in three seasons before he was suspended for his senior year.

Free agent tight end Kevin Boss signed with the Oakland Raiders, and Ben Patrick, who was signed to provide insurance for a possible Boss departure, abruptly retired, leaving the Giants with Travis Beckum and Bear Pascoe at the top of the depth chart. Beckum and Pascoe have combined to catch 31 passes for 252 yards and two touchdowns in their careers, which does not even match the 35 receptions for 518 yards and five touchdowns that Boss provided the offense in 2010. The free agent tight end market dried up quickly late last week, with Zach Miller signing with the Seattle Seahawks and Bo Scaife going to the Cincinnati Bengals. The Giants added veteran Daniel Coats, who has 30 receptions for 291 yards in his four-year career, including a 2010 season with zero catches in ten games with the Bengals and Denver Broncos. A lack of starting-caliber tight ends on the free agent market could lead general manager Jerry Reese to look to add one via a trade, where he could potentially kill two birds with one stone. The Seahawks were one of the teams believed to be interested in Umenyiora, and after signing Miller to a lucrative contract, they may be willing to move John Carlson, who is entering the final year of his rookie contract.

Washington Redskins: Who starts at quarterback?

As expected, the Redskins traded quarterback Donovan McNabb when the lockout was lifted, acquiring up to two sixth-round picks from the Minnesota Vikings. And as expected, it provided zero clarity to the team's quarterback position. Throughout the player-run workouts during the lockout, John Beck has operated as if he were the starting quarterback, even though the 2007 second-round pick of the Miami Dolphins has not started or even appeared in an NFL game since his rookie season, when he ranked 49th among 51 qualifying quarterbacks in passing DYAR. So eager was Beck to get into the team's facility and meet with the team's coaching staff, he showed up a day early and was turned away by security staff that did not recognize him.

Redskins head coach Mike Shanahan brought in free agent Kellen Clemens, who spent last season as the No. 3 quarterback behind Mark Sanchez and Mark Brunell with the New York Jets, and re-signed Rex Grossman, who finished the 2010 season as the Redskins' starting quarterback. In those three games, which included two opponents -– the Dallas Cowboys and Jacksonville Jaguars -– who ranked near the bottom of the league in pass defense DVOA, Grossman completed 55.6 percent of his 126 pass attempts for 840 yards, seven touchdowns, and four interceptions. Those numbers may not look too bad on paper, but with opponent adjustments, his numbers become a little more Grossman-esque:a DYAR of -76 to go with a DVOA of -19.1%.

Shanahan does not expect to announce a starting quarterback until the end of training camp, but having to choose from three quarterbacks who have not played extensively since 2007 -– the same season Shanahan was molding Jay Cutler into a Pro Bowl quarterback -– is a clear sign that the position will be a top priority in the 2012 draft.

(This article previously appeared at ESPN Insider.)

Posted by: Brian McIntyre on 11 Aug 2011

57 comments, Last at 15 Feb 2013, 7:08am by shankar

Comments

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by widderslainte :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:11pm

It's no longer Thursday morning. I want my KUBIAK :)

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:20pm

Can somebody tell me what I am supposed to make of the Steve Smith signing? Are Maclin's health issues far more serious than anyone is letting on? Did they want to slap Desean Jackson directly in the face? Will Smith miss 6 games (Coughlin's opinion) or be ready to go on opening day (Smith's opinion)? I just... don't understand...

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:27pm

It's a conspiracy! They signed all these free agents with the idea of it imploding, the season is tanked, and this way Roseman and Reid can finally give a big loud F-You to all the fans who are always clamoring for them to sign a bunch of free agents.

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:30pm

Seriously, though, is it good they signed him or a bad sign? Djax is already a wildly vocal malcontent and they just gave a dude with a serious knee-injury 4 times as much money to play in 2010, potentially 8 times as much. Maclin hasn't practiced yet and no one will say what's up. Also, they signed a WR with a serious knee injury. Tell me I'm crazy to not be excited about this.

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:39pm

All kidding aside? I don't know what to make of it any more than you do? The obvious bet is they're hedging on Maclin. The cynical bet is they're fed up with DJax and figure it's only a matter of time before his showboating starts costing them games. My bet? I don't have one. No idea whatsoever. I'm very bearish on the team, though. This many free agents in this short a time period with abbreviated camps, etc. sounds like a recipe for underachievement to me. I'm sure they'll still win 10 or 11 games and a playoff game, but expectations are higher than that.

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by bingo762 :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:14pm

"Djax is already a wildly vocal malcontent"
Can you back this up with any quotes?

I too am perplexed by the Smith signing for all the reasons previously stated. My guess is they did it to get some insider info on the Giants offense as well has hedging their bets at WR. Low risk/high reward. Although, I don't think we'll anything near the '09 Steve Smith this season

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:43pm

Re: djax - Um, his constant twitter rants and taunts that become media stories several times a season? His very publicized anger when Kolb came back into the starting job last season. His on-line cries and media tour about getting paid during his holdout this summer. If he doesn't fit the definition of "vocal malcontent" I'm curious which football players do...

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by bingo762 :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:32pm

Links or it never happened

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:03pm

come one, do you need a link to stuff like "gonna sting dem 'boys?" give me a fucking break.

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by Sifter :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 5:43am

The trouble will be early in the season when the team is yet to gel. Even though there are some easy looking games in the first 6: Rams, 49ers, Bills, Redskins - they will be danger games with so many new players learning new things. If Eagles can get to 4-4, hopefully that will be enough time to have bonded, acclimatised etc. and they can start whooping it up. I think if they get to the playoffs, they'll be tough to beat. Hard part will be getting there.

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by tuluse :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:32pm

I think the Eagle's moves this off season make a lot of sense if you look at them from this perspective: they believe the running game has been extremely marginalized, and a team would be foolish to line up with less than 3 receivers. This means you need 3 starting quality corner, and 3 starting quality receivers.

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:54pm

They had 3 quality receivers - Avant has been one of the top 5 #3 wr's in the league for a couple years. Riley Cooper was pretty darn good, too - both of those guys would be fine #2's for a number of teams in the league. Sure, Smith might be an upgrade if he comes back from his injury and doesn't have any more issues, but WR depth was one the Eagles weren't lacking in...

(Also, how does signing Ronnie Brown play into your theory?)

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by Aaron Brooks' Good Twin (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:31pm

Brown has a career TD % of 16.7 and a passer rating of 91.7 -- he's obviously the #3 QB.

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by JasonK :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:36pm

I can't speak knowledgeably about the Eagles' WR situation outside of Smith, but it looks to me that the core question on Smith is which team's doctors you believe. The Eagles' doctors clearly think the prognosis on Smith's knee is good, and the Giants' doctors think the prognosis on his knee is not so good.

As a Giants fan, losing Smith to the Eagles, of all teams, feels like a good hard punch to the stomach-- before his injury, all indications were that he'd be a core Giant for many more years. But a GM has got to trust his medical staff (particularly given that the Giants' team doctor is the man who actually performed the surgery on Smith), so I can't fault them for letting him go.

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:52pm

I was listening to sports radio this morning here in NYC and I sorta can't believe how badly Giants fans are taking the loss. I know he had that 1 great year in 2009, but he never seemed like a fan favorite...

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by JasonK :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:22pm

Oh, he was. First, his reputation really began among Giants fans with his contributions to the '07 playoff run. And 2009 was huge not just because he had a great year, but also because the big reason everybody doubted the Giants before that season was that they had lost Plaxico and Toomer and hadn't signed any veteran WRs to replace them. Smith's breakout was thus hugely satisfying from a "Prove the Haters Wrong" angle. Additionally, he came off as a great team guy who was generous to fans and humble to the media.

Plus, with Boss and Seubert gone, he's really the 3rd fan favorite who the Giants have let go this season. That adds up lots of the kind of folks who call in to sports radio stations getting pushed over the edge.

Edit: I should add: Smith was the first Giants WR to make the Pro Bowl since Homer Jones, nearly 50 years ago.

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:27pm

So I'm looking around the NFC and I'm wondering if any team in the entire conference is shaping up to be worse than the Redskins? Are they the NFC entry in the Oliver Luck Sweepstakes?

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:33pm

Come on, man, the Panthers still exist. The NFC west is still terrible. If the Redskins were in the NFC west, they'd be tied with the 49ers for the best team in the division. You think the Tavaris Jackson Seahawks or the Jimmy Clausen/Cam Newton Panthers have more upside? Maybe they do, but it's an argument at least...

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:42pm

I'll give you the Panthers. Somehow I forgot about them. They might still be worse than the Redskins.

As for the West, I see 1 solid team (Rams) and 3 mediocre ones. Maybe the Cards will be OK if Kolb pans out - but betting on the Cards to be good, ever, sounds like a sure fire way to lose money. But if the 49ers, Seahawks, and Cards all go 2-4 in the division (not a prediction), that might still be enough to give them all better records than the Skins.

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by chemical burn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:50pm

Dude, are are FO's resident Rams #1 super-fan. That's a "solid team?" 29th in the league in DVOA, #30 on defense, #20 on offense? An aging running back with injury issues and a WR corps that most folks seem to think is historically bad, a young, still improving QB and a defense that, sure, maybe could improve to slightly above average? That's "solid?" If they replaced the Vikings in the NFC North, they'd be a lock lose more than 9 games.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:07pm

I think the Rams' arrow is pointing way, way up. I would expect them to win the division. I certainly don't think a WR corps of Mike Sims-Walker, Donnie Avery, Danario Alexander, and Danny Amendola is historically bad. I think they're as good or better than what Buffalo, Miami, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Oakland, Denver, Washington, Carolina, Minnesota, Arizona, and Seattle will line up with this year.

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by Karl Cuba :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:27pm

I agree with your assessment of the Rams WRs, some folks are saying they're historically bad but Alexander and Amendola played pretty well last year. Sims-Walker is a great fit for shinebox McDaniels' offense too.

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by tuluse :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:13pm

Their receivers last year were historically awful, but they are getting their top 2 guys back from injury, added Simms-Walker, and the young players could improve.

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:21pm

I'm projecting what I think they will be, not what they were last year. They remind me of the early Andy Reid Eagles. He took a team off the scrap heap and in year 3 they shocked pretty much everybody except die hard Eagles fans. I fully expect the Rams to surprise people this year. In almost every way, I see Spagnulo following the exact same blueprints Reid used when he build the Eagles. Except that he doesn't seem to ignore the linebacker position. Otherwise, it's an almost identicle blueprint.

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by Jdash (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:31pm

The Rams have their franchise QB. Thats why people like them this year. They added more weapons for Bradford this year: Lance Kendricks, Greg Salas, Austin Pettis, Mike Sims-Walker. Avery and Clayton are healthy. They added Josh McDaniels who has a good track record with QBs. Oh and Steven Jackson is not an aging RB hes only 28 and the Rams finally found some depth at RB (Cadillac Williams, Jerious Norwood) to lighten his workload and hopefully extend his career.

Are the Rams a team that can make a deep playoff run this year? Probably not, but they still have a very good shot to win the NFC West. Yes they have a tough schedule but so does the rest of the division.

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by JasonK :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:40pm

Yeah, the Skins offense is a talent wasteland, but the defense looks like it'll be reasonably competent. That should keep some games close enough that they can win a few on good bounces and timely playmaking.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:40pm

Andrew Luck to the Redskins next year? I don't want to watch my favorite team suffer through a losing season, but would it be worth it in the long run?

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by Ariel (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:26pm

Yes.

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by Kurt :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 3:13pm

Given that the apparent choice is between suffering through a losing season and getting Luck, or suffering through a losing season and *not* getting Luck, I would also say yes.

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by dryheat :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:01pm

I'm surprised that Jerricho Cotchery hasn't signed with Dallas yet. I guess he'll probably end up with the Eagles.

Is there any chance Tim Hightower becomes the next Olandis Gary/Mike Anderson/Tatum Bell for the Redskins?

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by Biebs (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:44pm

Cotchery wanted to leave the Jets because he wasn't going to be the #2 WR. I don't see him landing with the Eagles.

I would think a team like the Giants, maybe

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by John (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:03pm

I feel like a broken record, but Andrew Luck is only a junior this year, so any team entering the sweepstakes had better be prepared to lose two seasons to get him. Not that that should be a problem for the Panthers.

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by Harrison Bergeron (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:20pm

He's on track to graduate next spring, since he redshirted for a year, and I believe he's pretty much stated that he's going to enter the NFL Draft after this season.

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:27pm

Additinally, if you're the Panthers, and you've already pissed away a 2nd round pick on Clausen, then spent the first pick in the draft on Cam Newton, I don't see how you can spend another pick on the quarterback position. Unless Newton suffers a catastrophic injury, I think they're committed to him for at least long enough for Luck to go somewhere else.

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by Theo :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 2:56pm

Hello Arizona!

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by Dean :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:42pm

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I don't think Kolb is going to be this godawful QB that a lot of people seem to assume he'll be. Which is not to say he should be punching a ticket to Hawaii or anything either. But I don't think that's a team that's going to be first-pick-bad. Not by a longshot. 5-11, sure. But I could more likely see them going 8-8 than 2-14.

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by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:24pm

Shamarat goimg to have loads of proeblems with redskijs this swason. Horrible qb situation. Would be better off signing j. Garcia than start Beck or Frossman. One stinky the other crappy

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by Raiderjoe :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:28pm

aHavent been here since almost 2 weeks. Not on cacation with m. Tanier. Is foa book out now and rwady to be bought? Also auggestion for 2012 book- drawings of playwrs in book. Would be nicw touch. Like funny drawings or nice ojes. Adds lottle spicd to mix.

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by commissionerleaf :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:39pm

For the NFC cellar, YOUR CANDIDATES ARE:

Washington Redskins
Pro (As in, reasons they'll be the worst team in the conference): R + O + C(S-H) = I, where R = Starting Quarterback Rex Grossman, O = a patchwork offensive line, C = receiving corps, (S-H) represents the good speed but lack of hands and football I.Q. of said receiving corps, and I = More Interceptions than God.

Also, the defensive secondary has two very good players (DeAngelo Hall on a good day and LaRon Landry on a day he's actually not injured), a very Redskins FA pick up in O.J. Atogwe, and the ghost of Carlos Rogers. Second and third CB are going to be fun.

Con: The defensive front seven is serviceable, and the run game was a bright spot last year.

Carolina Panthers: Pro: Yeah, DeAngelo Williams, a few O linemen, and oft-injured Steve Smith probably qualify as professional football players. The rest of the roster, not so much.

Con: Those O linemen are really very good.

Seattle Seahawks
Pro: Tarvaris Jackson is reunited with Sidney Rice and their former OC to show off the impressive chemistry that got Jackson benched for the desiccated corpse of Brett Favre; Marshawn Lynch already got out his one highlight reel run for 2011. Also, the offensive line makes Jesus (and Charlie Whitehurst when he inevitably is forced into action by suckage or injury) cry.

Con: The defense really isn't awful, and Sidney Rice and Mike Williams are decent receivers, albeit sort of the SAME decent receivers.

San Francisco 49ers
Pro: Alex Smith, your 20XX starting quarterback, however improbably.

Con: The defense is potentially very good, Frank Gore may play 16 games (you never know) and Braylon Edwards is better than people think.

Arizona Cardinals
Pro: 587 of 1109 (52.9%) 7083 yards 46 TD 45 INT 6.4 YPA
194 of 319 (60.8%)2082 yards 11 TD 14 INT 6.5 YPA

I just compared the resumes of Kevin Kolb and Derek Anderson, prior to coming to Arizona. Note that Anderson was coming from a Cleveland team where the best receiver he had was Braylon Edwards, and Kolb played in Philadelphia with Jeremy Maclin, DeSean Jackson, Brian Westbrook, LeSean McCoy, etc.

Con: Larry [expletive deleted] Fitzgerald.

St. Louis Rams
Pro: You see those two yards per attempt figures, set out above? Sam Bardford's was lower. And in St. Louis, they considered this a SUCCESS.

Con: Bradford was a rookie, throwing the ball to a rotating cast of injury prone people with names so long he probably couldn't remember them.

Pro: He's still throwing to those same guys.

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by TomC :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:41pm

My internal Raiderjoe-to-English translator is usually pretty good, but "nice ojes" has me stumped.

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by tuluse :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:46pm

I think that's supposed to be "nice ones" as opposed to funny pictures.

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by Theo :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 1:56pm

I say 20$ that RaiderJoe is a Mike Tanier creation.
This can't be real and mike is crazy enough.
"ojes" = pics/ones?

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by speedegg :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 4:42pm

Maybe you missed an earlier post where RaiderJoe did a parody of the Humpty Dance by Shock G and the Digital Underground (google it, the song is old). Nothing against Tanier, but few can combine that historical knowledge and creative humor like that.

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by God (not verified) :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 5:39pm

Raider Joe is the Zodiac

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by Otis Taylor89 :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 7:43pm

Raider Joe is the Matrix.

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by Dean :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 9:26am

I have a hard time thinking of Humpty Dance as old.

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by speedegg :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 1:09pm

Haha! Okay, the song is only 21 years old.

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by akn :: Thu, 08/11/2011 - 6:56pm

The Maclin situation is pretty interesting.

I haven't closely followed what little medical history we know from the press, but from what I can tell:
1. Flu/mono-like symptoms 6 months ago, followed by weight loss of 15-20 lbs.
2. Has since recovered his weight but recently has felt weak/tired/sick again and has been pulled from practice in order to undergo as yet unknown testing with as yet unknown specialists.

I'm not going to throw out random speculation (I think I saw something about it possibly being lupus), because from what I outlined above, the differential is too huge. What I do think is its probably not something relatively simple to diagnose (like lupus) because any competent doctor will have already tested for those things.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

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by chemical burn :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 11:10am

I hadn't even been able to find those details. 20 lbs of weight loss is pretty serious - I wonder if he hasn't been going to the right doctors or tackling the situation as well as he should have been because of the lockout. I know a lot of folks just straight-up avoid doctors and if there's no team demanding, "hey, go see this doctor right now and get this fixed, 20lbs of weight loss is crazy" then maybe Maclin was not approaching the issue aggressively/intelligently. I wonder if it's a difficult but not crazy problem that has been allowed to fester...

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by akn :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 7:12pm

Maclin's (surrogate) father is a doctor. I would find it hard to believe he would avoid them or not be going to the right ones.

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by chemical burn :: Sat, 08/13/2011 - 9:45am

Did not know that, but I completely disagree - I think it makes him more likely to rely on informal rely advice and not seek out unbiased professionals, certainly that's the way I've found it to be with all of the children of doctors I know, they just go to their parents for a quick prescription or advice and often don't even have doctors of their own... (my actual thought when I read your first sentence was "oh, there's your problem right there - especially if Maclin's "father" isn't a great doctor or a specialist in the correct field...")

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by akn :: Sat, 08/13/2011 - 2:32pm

Maybe for minor stuff like colds and allergies. But this is a persistent illness with significant weight loss--any doctor (specialist or not) would be concerned. Even you (whom I'm assuming is not a doctor) recognized the seriousness. Add to that the pro angle and the money angle, and anyone's threshold for concern would be lower, not higher.

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by LOLEAGLES (not verified) :: Mon, 08/15/2011 - 3:17pm

That's ridiculous.

My father's a doctor. He will "treat" me insofar as to say "go see a doctor". I can't think of a single instance where he treated me for an illness....it's just a bad idea since emotions will get in the way.

The moment he sees anything, he says "go to a doctor". Upon seeing my future wife in a bathing suit, he recommended she see a dermatologist for a mole on her leg. It was no big deal, but he's a doctor. I doubt Maclin's "father" is any different. In my experience, most doctors handle these things the same way.

I just wonder what the issue is. Seems odd.

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by chemical burn :: Tue, 08/16/2011 - 11:41am

We've had different experiences then. (And your dad seems like a good, ethical, intelligent doctor - unfortunately, as with any profession, not all doctors are intelligent, ethical or good.) I will say that Burkholder is insisting that Maclin isn't in bad shape and has implied several times now that he simply didn't get proper treatment in the off season, take that however you will... The Eagles training staff seems entirely convinced that he just needs some very basic tests done - the implication being "he hasn't gotten any tests, even basic ones, done until now." We'll see - I hope they're right and the answer is obvious...

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by AnonymousD (not verified) :: Fri, 08/12/2011 - 6:31pm

RE: Dallas' depth at receiver

I don't think it's a noteworthy issue. Witten, Austin, and Bryant are clearly the first three options in the passing game. At best, Kevin Ogletree (the likely #3 receiver) will be a co-#4 option with Felix Jones and Martellus Bennett.

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by ddawatson (not verified) :: Sun, 08/14/2011 - 4:45pm

Giants losing Kevin Boss is huge. Losing Steve Smith hurts as well. Who is Manning going to throw to as the go to receiver or tight end. Weak offense.

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by shankar (not verified) :: Fri, 02/15/2013 - 7:08am