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Week 14 Game Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Sunday's games. You can talk about who you think will win or lose before the games start and last-minute news on Sunday morning. Then during the games, discuss strange plays, great performances, and stupid announcers (of which there are plenty). After the day is done, we'll discuss the results of the week Sunday night and Monday before our weekly commentary articles appear.

Comments

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by charles (not verified) :: Thu, 12/08/2005 - 3:12pm

First

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by SJM (not verified) :: Thu, 12/08/2005 - 10:50pm

WHAT IS THE MOTTO OF WEST POINT?

DUTY, HONOR, COUNTRY, SIR!

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/09/2005 - 2:52am

It feels lonely here.

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by Aaron Rodgers (not verified) :: Fri, 12/09/2005 - 10:36am

Any chance I'm going to play this week Mr. Sherman?

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by Clod (not verified) :: Fri, 12/09/2005 - 9:07pm

So B, if San Diego wins this week, that is my five in a row...we should have bet. You'll notice I didn't say 6 ;) but I do think they have the best chance of beating Indy. They gave them a run late last year at home.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 1:01am

Actually, I'm first. Who are you going to believe, me or your lying browser?

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by MAW (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 1:30pm

Do the networks alternate which weeks they get the national doubleheader? I'm in LA, so there isn't any local team, meaning we get the biggest national games each week. Last week, CBS had the doubleheader, and they apparently do this week:

Early games in LA: Colts@Jags, Bears@Steelers
Late game in LA: Dolphins@Chargers

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 1:48pm

Yes they alternate.

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by charles (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 3:25pm

I want to request an Every Play Counts next week on Boldin and Fitzgerald. Not only have they been lighting up the whole year and been receiving little attention for it, but this week they face arguably one of the better cb tandems in the nfc, shawn springs and carlos rogers. Yes i am a redskins fan, but serious, vasher and tillman are having a better year and maybe gamble and lucas but that's it in the nfc. If there is a tandem i left out please tell me. Which reminds me, this is a list of cornerbacks who have played for washington in the past 5 years: champ bailey, deion sanders, fred smoot, shawn springs, carlos rogers. Joe Gibbs, please draft a defensive end this year.

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by charles (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 3:27pm

oh yeah darrell green too.

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by Peter (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 11:49pm

Harmon predicts Steelers to win.

Bears win on the cards.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/10/2005 - 11:56pm

I won't be at the Steelers-Bears game tomorrow but I will be at Primanti Brothers as soon as the open at 11 getting my spot at the Bar.

I may even stay for the 4 O'clock games.

Niiiiiiiiiice......

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:04am

New England's Nick Kaczur joins Matt Light as inactive for the Buffalo game.

They will now be accepting volunteers from the audience to play left tackle.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:08am

I have no idea who is going to win in the Oakland-New Jersey game. DVOA has Oakland at 16th and the Jets at like 30th. Should I put any stock in that? Oakland has Tuiasosoaphead at QB, though.
I wouldn't hesitate to pick Chokeland if it were in Cali, but the game is in New Jersey.n

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by Mikey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:23am

#7 -

They generally alternate, but not always.

For example, this year CBS has nine doubleheaders. But due to the US Open in Week 1 they couldn't take a doubleheader on that date, so the league has to give them back-to-back doubles at some later point in the season.

In a typical year somebody will have back to back DHs at least once.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 11:27am

Snow game in Pittsburgh possibly.

Steelers......Bears......Snow.

Someone calm down Chris Berman, he may lose it.......

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 11:50am

Looks like Curtis Martin is out. I'm taking the Raiders. The other game I'm torn on is KC-Dallas.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 11:55am

KC is 4-1 agains NFC on the road, Dallas is something like 6-1 aganst AFC at home last couple years. If that helps.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:00pm

GO COWBOYS!
GO DOLPHINS!
GO BROWNS!
GO COLTS!

And GO STEELERS! Who if they don't win none of those other games really matter.....

Lions and Packers tonight........can't wait.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:01pm

Nevermind. Remind me never to believe Woodson and Davis for stats again for NFL facts.

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by Dean (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:14pm

Hey Adam, not sure if we want the Jags to lose, we dont want them in a tiebreaker with us....better they keep winning and SD falls into a head-to-head tiebreaker with the Steelers.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:19pm

"SD falls into a head-to-head tiebreaker with the Steelers"

HAHAHAHAAAA, whewww that was funny!

(face_worried)

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:25pm

where do I ask a fantasy question? oh what the heck...

I have these three spots to fill: WR, RB, and WR/RB
and these to fill them with:
Kennison
K Jones
C Brown
B Engram
D Driver
Randal El
I Bruce

right now i'm leaning toward
WR- Kennison
RB- K Jones
W/R C Brown

wadya think?

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by Dean (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:29pm

Hey Clod....what am I missing re:22?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:31pm

The only reason Marques Tuiasosoaphead is starting is because Andrew Walter is injured.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:38pm

Mike Brown will be replaced by Mike Green. Brown has been injured.
Brian Westbrook only has a mid-foot sprain.
McNair will start, Anthony Henry will start.
Nick Kaczur is out. Ashworth will play LT and Gorin will play RT.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:54pm

Never thought about that with the Jags.......good point.

I stand corrected.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 12:54pm

I'm off to Primanti's.......see you guys (and calig) later.........

Calig = Woman

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 1:02pm

Clod: I'd go with Brown, Kennison, and Isaac Bruce.

Quick fantasy Q of my own:

I can start 3 WRs and 2 RBs.

I have Roy Williams, Drew Bennett, Randy Moss, and Andre Johnson as options at WR. Pick 3.

I have Jamal Lewis (@DEN), Willie Parker (CHI), and Deshaun Foster (TB).
Foster is one. Who is the 2nd? Best on waiver wire is Maurice Hicks and Antowain Smith.

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by Joon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 1:05pm

grumble. we're being treated to pats-bills, and only pats-bills, in the early time slot.

oh well. last week we got both steelers-bengals and giants-cowboys. i knew it was too good to last.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 1:13pm

Ouch Sid. flip a 4 sided coin.
and what is the weather in NJ? I like Moss on carpet but you have four 0pts or 30 pts WR's there...again flip it.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 1:43pm

Here in NYC, it's in the mid-30s with no precipitation.

What about the RB situation?

BTW, I like Chicago (+6.5) and Jacksonville (+9.5). Those spreads have continued to go up all week, and I like getting all the points there.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:02pm

Curtis Martin is inactive.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:19pm

Odell Thurman will not start due to a violation of team rules.

Cincy clinches the division with a win over the Browns.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:20pm

RE: 18

lol. That doesn't help at all.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:20pm

Here in Israel we actually have the Steelers-Bears in addition to IND-JAX and DAL-KC.

My fear with the Steelers is that they beat CHI and MIN then lose to the Browns.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:22pm

RE: 30

All we get in the 1 PM timeslot is the Raiders at the Jets. LaMont Jordan returns to play his former team. Curtis Martin misses his first game in forever.
Amazingly, we actually get to see KC-Dallas in NYC. That's the only game I plan on watching today.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:23pm

Is there a reason it seems like a bunch of people are on the Cardinals bandwagon this week?

I suppose:
1) Playing at home
2) 50 % chance they knock Brunell out of the game
3) Either Walt Harris or a LB will be covering Fitzgerald/Boldin at some point

I don't understand how teams can't scheme for Boldin coming out of the backfield. .. and what does it say about the Cardinals that they have a set where their #1 WR starts from the RB position.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:23pm

RE: 36

I think that's the solution for me. Move to the Middle East so I can watch real football games. :D

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:26pm

Clod, I think Engram might be a good play against SF, but he's not a guy I follow.

Sid, I think I'd sit Bennett or Williams. Johnson's been doing better lately, and Moss is always a threat to blow up. They've all got good matchups, though.

At RB, I think I'd go with Parker. Is Cedric Houston on the waiver wire? (I just picked him up last night because I have Martin.)

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:28pm

RE: 40

Yeah, it came down to sitting Bennett or Williams for me. I think I'm going to sit Williams because of Al Harris.

And yes, I will pick up Houston and waive Parker. Good point.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:29pm

Here in Los Angeles:

Early
Indianapolis @ Jacksonville
Chicago @ Pittsburgh

Late
Miami @ San Diego

... and Jacksonville doesn't have a chance, no matter how much hype the media puts on them. From here on out they will hype up whoever is playing Indianapolis to the extent possible...

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:32pm

I am, so glad I don't follow the Bears. Otherwise this song would be stuck in my head all season.

adewale oGUNleye
adewale oGUNleye
adewale oGUNleye
adewale oGUNleye

Bad enough we have it just today.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:33pm

RE: 41

I waived Jeff Wilkins instead of Parker. I don't want to waive Parker until he loses the starting job.
So I'm starting Ced Houston and Foster at RB and Moss, Bennett, and Andre Johnson at WR.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:33pm

... kiss the Redskins season goodbye...

A bunch of analysts just mentioned them as possible playoff hopefuls. It's the same thing that happened before they went on that 3 game losing streak... everyone jumps on the bandwagon and than the team goes into the tank.

FYI.. Lavar Arrington is most likely out with leg injury. Santana Moss is questionable, but will play.

Antrel Rolle is back for Arizona... he'll be a dime DB. A semi-matchup between him and Carlos Rogers.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:35pm

Adam: Yeah, if the Jags lose this week, we need them to either win out or lose two more. Either way, it comes down to how many games SD and KC lose (SD must lose one, KC two; or if Jax loses three, either KC or SD can lose two and the other's final record doesn't matter).
Of course, there's always the part about us winning.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:41pm

RE: 45

I'm not even so sure Washington wins today. I'm pretty sure they'll miss the playoffs. They'll end up 8-8 or 9-7 and miss out.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:52pm

Curtis Martin is out for the season.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:56pm

We'll win, Vash. Roethlisberger will come around.

I just wish I could root against the Colts this week :/.

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:57pm

And with 4:15 before waivers close in my league, I dumb Martin and grab Derrick Blaylock. Thanks Sid!

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by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:57pm

I mentioned this early this morning elsewhere. Do not be surprised if Orton takes a seat should he strugle the first series or two.

Also, to answer post 4, no way. Sherman is going down firing all his bullets. Playing Rodgers is in interests of next year. Sherman cannot count on next year. In fact, from what I hear he is already done.

Which confirms my whacky theory at the beginning of the season. Thompson set him up to fail. He gutted the offensive line and didn't bother to look for any linebacking help. And if someone suggests Robert Thomas in response to this latter comment then that person hasn't seen Robert Thomas play the position. Because calling him a linebacker is like calling Kordell Stewart a quarterback.

The injuries just helped Thompson along.

Crazy?

Well, either Ted Thompson wanted Sherman to fail as coach or the guy is a clueless GM. Either way, as a Bears fan I'm thrilled. Because Sherman is a solid football coach. His only drawbacks (as a coach) are his inability to have his QB play with SOME degree of discipline and a lack of understanding of "risk/reward". At key junctions Sherman regularly chooses the worse option. It's his calling card.

And as I have written repeatedly, Sherman's greatest legacy in Green Bay is his dreadful record as a GM. He has set back the franchise a good five years unless they fall into some players right quick.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 2:58pm

UGH. Fox reception is terrible today. And I can't go to the pub to watch it, because I need to record it. Grrr.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:02pm

Okay, I can fix the problem by standing about 3 feet from the television and not moving at all. Hoo-friggin-ray.

I wish I could afford cable.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:03pm

1 minute after turning the TV on, I heard the announcer say "confluence."

How predictable.

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:03pm

According to nfl.com gamecenter, there's 0:41 left in the first quarter, and the Bengals just won the coin toss.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:06pm

You know what... for the past 2 years I thought that David Gerrard was white.

I guess it's a testament to the confluence of Byron Leftwich.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:11pm

RE: 50

I hope you mean you grabbed Ced Houston, not Derrick Blaylock. Blaylock broke his foot months ago and is on IR.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:11pm

RE: 53

Yeah, I often have to do that with certain TVs. Stand there and hold the antenna.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:12pm

Oh my lord, Hines Ward is awesome. Little guy just chugging and spinning and ripping out of DBs' hands.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:14pm

Wow, Pitt scoring right off the bat.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:15pm

I can't believe I benched Willie Parker.
Anyway, here's where Chicago is going to need a real QB.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:15pm

Uh oh... not good for Chicago. Pittsburgh can just punt the ball from here on out...

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:16pm

Well, at least the Stillers found a use for all those screen passes they love to run on 3rd down.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:17pm

And did you see that lovely tackle by Keisel on the kickoff!??

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:17pm

If Pittsburgh can beat Chicago, like they should, Seattle basically locks up the #1 seed.

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by JBC (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:18pm

So I see the Browns are up on the Bengals. In the unlikely event that Cleveland wins, what does that do to the AFC North race?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:19pm

Re:#64

Yeah... It looked like there was a big hole there, and I was thinking "Oh no.. Here we go again..." But then Keisel managed to make the tackle.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:22pm

Jacksonville manages to pin Indianpolis in at their 11... 89 yards later 7-0 Colts.

Not a good sign for Mr. Del Rio's defense.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:22pm

So, yeah. Defensive struggle.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:25pm

Only the Steelers' D would allow Orton and the Bears to march right down the field on them...

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:25pm

Terrible missed tackle by Joey Porter. Complete whiff behind the line of scrimmage leads to a 15 yard gain by Thomas Jones.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:25pm

Don't tell me Tice lied again. He said Moore would start. He's killing my fantasy teams.

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by Towwb (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:30pm

Tom Brady gets looked at on the sidelines as all New England stops breathing.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:31pm

That was classic Orton in the redzone.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:32pm

Woah... Peyton Manning just stumbled over his own two feet!

... he is human after all...

Looks like the Jaguars might be able to stop them this drive... 3rd and 15+ from the Indy 3.

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by MAW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:32pm

Manning slips after the snap, falls back for a sack at the IND 2, and gingerly walks off the field.

This could be very interesting.

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by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:33pm

Sid:

He has looked better today.

C'mon, focus on the positive. ;)

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:33pm

Cleveland just RAN on 3rd and 7? Are they giving up already?

And that was a terrible throw by Roethlisberger. Maybe his hand really is a distraction.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:35pm

Wow, talk about confidence.

Manning sets up in his own End Zone... Jacksonville gets a decent rush and he throws a dangerous pass over the middle. It got tipped up but no interception.

Did Orton throw an interception, fumble a snap, or muff a handoff?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:37pm

Corey Dillon has been horrible this season.
Fantasy busts at RB: Kevin Jones, Curtis Martin, Julius Jones, Corey Dillon, Ahman Green, Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Deuce McAllister, and more...

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:37pm

Indianpolis punted from their end zone. Pearman caught the ball at around the IND 45 and no one was within 10 yards of him. He got to the 26 yardline, and now JAX just drawed the Colts defense offsides...

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by Joon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:40pm

they flashed up a graphic that said:

teams to start 13-0:
1934 chicago bears
1972 miami dolphins
1998 denver broncos

then the announcers said, "yeah, but only one of those teams won the super bowl." (pause.) "actually two of those teams." (pause.) well, i waited, but he didn't point out that there was no super bowl in 1934. i went and looked it up, and those bears (featuring bronco nagurski) went 13-0 and then lost the championship game to the 8-5 giants. unfortunate.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:42pm

Great, isn't it, Sid? My starting RBs? Cory Dillon and Julius Jones.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:42pm

Over where we're watching, we think Brady may have tweaked a hammie. He was limping on the tail end of that scramble, slid down without getting hit, then limped more when he got up.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:46pm

Well, that was badly underthrown by Ben...

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:48pm

Ben for two drives 143.75.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:48pm

Yeah, and I have it pretty bad as well. I drafted Jamal Lewis 11th in all 3 of my leagues.
I desperately wanted to draft 3rd, but I got stuck drafting at the end in all my leagues.
If you drafted top 3, chances are you're in good shape. If you didn't... Culpepper, Moss, McAllister, Jamal Lewis, Joneses, etc.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:48pm

Oh, I should mention whoever wound up with Edge (the 4th or 5th pick in most leagues) also wound up in good shape.

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by Tom (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:49pm

ok, what's an "Illegal Crackback"? Not that I'm complaining...

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by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:49pm

Auction leagues > draft leagues.

Frye in Cleveland certainly seems to be sparking that offense nicely.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:50pm

Cincinnati's defense is proving that they really do suck. They just got boosted in DVOA because of their excessive amount of INTs. Similar to KC of a few seasons ago...

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:51pm

I had the 8th or 9th, I forget. BUT I had good intuition. I picked up Delhomme, Bulger, Smith, and Johnson. If my RBs weren't a disaster, I'd be running away with the league. As it is, I'm second in points (and, amusingly, third to last in standings).

Cleveland just scored again. Dare I hope?

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:52pm

Correy Dillion has been fine when he plays Sid. Not as good as expected, but hardly a bust. Unfortuantely, he hasn't played much.

I love that the anouncers informed me in the MIN/STL game that "Joe Vitt told me that STL came here to win today" Thanks for clearing that up, I thought they came to intentionally lose.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:55pm

I drafted edge at 5th :) And then Dillion at 12th :( in my main league. But hey I clinched the number one playoff seed in that league at 10-1 so I cannot complain.

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:56pm

Whoever does the NFL.com play-by-play for Buffalo home games should be commended for his detailed work. Two examples:

3-5-BUF44 (4:04) (Shotgun) J.Losman pass incomplete to S.Aiken. Thrown away after pressure: R.Seymour. Receiver at 50, right sideline.

3-4-BUF33 (14:01) D.Branch right end pushed ob at BUF 23 for 10 yards (L.Fletcher). Reverse, handoff from T.Dwight after original handoff from T. Brady.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:58pm

Pass... interference... off... wha? They still call that? For that? Huh?

And STOP CALLING SCREENS ON THIRD AND LONG!

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:58pm

Fnor:

What was that you were saying? :)

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:59pm

Marques Tuiasosoaphead has made some really bad throws. He looks awful out there.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:59pm

Wow, if they can keep this up, Pittsburgh's going to have an insane jump to weighted DVOA this week.

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by MAW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:59pm

How come 5-yard holding and a 15-yard facemask penalties offset?

It doesn't matter to the Colts (who were screwed by the call) as Manning goes 65-yards to Harrison for the TD on the first play.

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by JBC (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 3:59pm

Chicago's D is looking worse than anyone the Steelers have played since the Browns.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:00pm

RE: 92

That's what I hate about head to head leagues. I have a similar situation in one of my leagues.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:00pm

Huh. Whoever is doing NFL Gamecenter for NE/BUF has been putting lots of nice little extra details in the play-by-play entries, like "flare left" or "pass tipped at goalline". Cool!

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:00pm

Am I the only one who loves the handoff to the fullback on short yardage plays?

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:01pm

Are you kidding me! Mathis bites on the play fake / double move and let's Harrison get behind him... did you even watch tape of the Indianapolis offense?

And good job by Indianapolis if they thought he was susceptible...

BTW it was a 10-yard holding offsetting a 15 yard PF.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:01pm

To be fair, despite that rash of penalties, this game has been really clean. One delay of game due to a challenge, one block to the back on a punt, and then a wierd offensive pass interference and then a defensive holding. That's it. Good stuff.

I love you, Bettis.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:03pm

I'm wondering how long the Indianapolis/Jacksonville game can have exactly the same score as the Pittsburgh/Chicago game.

7-0, 7-3, 14-3, both games.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:04pm

Ben in three drives 156.25.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:04pm

Huh. Whoever is doing NFL Gamecenter for NE/BUF has been putting lots of nice little extra details in the play-by-play entries, like “flare left� or “pass tipped at goalline�. Cool!

That's Buffalo stadium. If every play-by-play guy in the NFL did that, I think Aaron would die of happiness.

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by admin :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:07pm

The Buffalo guy and, if I remember correctly, the Dallas guy are the two PBP guys who add all kinds of useful details like that. But they are not that useful to us since we only have them for 16 games a year -- 8 Dallas home games, 8 Buffalo home games.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:08pm

Buffalo is pathetic. How do you not show up at home against the division leading 3 time Super Bowl champion Patriots?
I know Moulds is suspended and McGahee has a virus, but there is no excuse. Could the defense show up? They still can't stop the run without Pat Williams.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:08pm

The steelers need to get a kickoff specialist. How many touchbacks have they had this year? I have no idea, but it can't be high.

113
by BillWallace (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:09pm

Man I'm pissed. In San Jose all we get is early Oakland NYJets and late 49ers at Seattle. Plus Detroit Green Bay tonight. How is this possible? How can the network deals be so bad that this could ever happen? Is it too much to ask to watch Indy Jack or Chi Pitt? or even KC Dallas? Do the networks know that they're forcing people to buy packages?

114
by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:11pm

Well, if the QB'ing thing doesn't work out for Kyle Orton, I'm sure he's got a good future in the adult film industry...

115
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:11pm

Wow did the officials miss an obivous PI call in the MIN/STL game. Johnson threw a perfect bomb to Robinson and just before the ball got there and Robinson started raising his hands Ivy grabbed one of Robison's arms and held it down.

I think this happens alot because th sideline ref cannot see through the players and the others are too far away. Sadly I think Defensive Backs are taking advantage of this as I see it more and more.

116
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:13pm

Note to Antwaan Randle-El: STOP SUCKING.

117
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:13pm

Is it me, or is the ball popping out a lot in this game? ARE fumbles; fortunately Ced Wilson recovers.

118
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:14pm

Alvis Whitted just had a deep ball hit him right in the chest. He didn't put his arms up or anything, it looked like he was playing soccer or something.

119
by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:17pm

Does Jacksonville always play so chippy? They seem to be extra aggressive on every play, even when they don't get flagged for it.

120
by Ryan H (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:17pm

The Colts are really good.

121
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:18pm

Jacksonville is getting killed with the 15 yard penalties. As if the Colts needed any help...

The upset is not happening today. 13-0 and back to Indy to host San Diego.

122
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:19pm

If the browns pull a miracle, I just might be able to root for SD next week....

123
by Shylo (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:19pm

We've secretly replaced Drew Bennett's hands with giant stone replicas. Let's see if anyone notices.

124
by Ryan H (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:19pm

OK not that good.

125
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:23pm

Hooray questionable calls. One could say that Townsend was in position for the throw by jumping the route, and muhammed ran into him. Da Bears better not get points off this.

126
by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:24pm

On the last drive Harrison just had the exact same play as the Pollard TD that was overturned for the Lions against the Vikings.

He caught the ball on the sideline, and tapped his toes, but after his right foot was down the ball moved from his chest to his waist. To me it looked like he was still chasing possession and he didn't control the ball to his waist. But it was a very very close call...

I like the trickery by Indianapolis too... if it works they are up 21-3... but you have to wonder if their chances would be better just running their offense... Hunter Smith throwing a pass or Peyton Manning?

127
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:24pm

Only in the NFL can you get a penalty for standing still.

(@Townsend)

128
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:26pm

Am I the only one that's thinking that Orton isn't playing that badly today? Pittsburgh's defense is covering players really well, so I can't blame Orton too much for completion percentage.

129
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:26pm

and now townsend hurt himself tackling Orton. What a weird series of plays.

130
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:27pm

Pat: I agree with you wholeheartedly. I've only seen two bad throws that weren't rushed, and one of them was only a couple inches above the guy's hands (in the endzone, though).

131
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:28pm

Jaguars are PATHETIC. They get the ball with 2:20 left, down 14-3. They try to RUN OUT THE CLOCK! As expected, they fail miserably, giving the Colts yet another chance to score.

132
by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:29pm

Sid:

Post 91. EXACTLY. Only when I brought it up at the time everyone cracked on me. Even Aaron chimed in writing that if I had any "research" to justify my stance that the Chiefs were just lucky as opposed to being good then post it. Otherwise, I should just hush.

Glad to know there are a few people around with a semblance of common sense. How anyone can watch the Bengals defense and term them anything other than "mediocre" baffles me.

133
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:31pm

Boy, am I regretting starting Bears D. And not starting Roethlisberger.

134
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:32pm

NOOOO! Cowher prevents the bizarro Indy/Jax Pit/Chi link from continuing, as Indy goes up 17-3 and Pittsburgh walks off the field at the half. Dangit!

Oh, and would someone PLEASE teach Dick Stockton (I think) to pronounce people's names right? Seriously - he's screwed up Muhsin's first name, Polamalu's last name, and Robbie Gould's last name. OK, the first two aren't that easy names, but it's not like the guy's never heard their names before.

135
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:32pm

Ben for the half 130.6.

136
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:36pm

Pat: You missed the beauty of "T J Hosh-man-zah-day." He refused to say his name until around the third quarter, when he finally got it right.

137
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:38pm

Lights go out at the meadowlands.

138
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:40pm

Re: 133 - Is he saying "Gould" or "Gold"? For some unfathomable reason, Robbie the kicker has insisted it's "Gold." There we go, a family who can't pronounce their own name.

139
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:40pm

YES! The Oakland-Jets feed has a problem, so we're getting another game instead for now ... but ... Cincy-Cleveland? I guess that's the closest one right now.

140
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:41pm

ATT YDS TD LG
J. Bettis 1 1 1 1

I'm so easily amused.

141
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:42pm

Doh, the feed is back :( Just in time to see the Raiders miss a FG.

142
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:42pm

It's actually pronounced "Goa'uld." He now possesses the kicking strength of ten men.

143
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:43pm

The lights at Giants Stadium went out, and so did the game feed. LMAO!

The lights go out on the Jets season...

144
by Jeremy Billones (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:45pm

Re: 131

Haven't been watching the game, but CLE had a short field for both TDs -- 56 and 19 yards. Other two drives were 6 plays -5 yds.

145
by Ryan H (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:46pm

Even with a two touchdown lead i don't see why the colts are ever running at this point

146
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:48pm

Lots of people mispronounce their own last names. Especially in this country where many immigrants tried to hide their ethnic origins. I knew swedish brothers (they were in their 90s) whose lasts names were Rodberg and Roberge respectively.

The new music facility at my alma-mater was donated by a 3rd generation German who insists his name (Weber)is Web-BER instead of VAY-ber.

147
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:48pm

Imagine the Pats defense actually getting a shutout.

148
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:51pm

Joey Porter sacks Orton at the 2. Wow.

149
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:51pm

Web-BER??? I've never heard anyone pronounce it that way, weird. WEB-er, sure. Or WEE-ber

150
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:52pm

Nice holding penalty, Sean "ST Ace" Morey...

151
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:54pm

Tunch Ilkin, the Steelers broadcaster, keeps pronouncing a gutteral "h" in Muhsin Muhammed's surname. But Tunch is from Turkey, so it makes sense.

152
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:55pm

Michael Cloud must die.

Pats going in for a score and Cloud stone-hands (an admittedly not great pass) into a Buffalo INT.

153
by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:58pm

How exciting is the Raiders-Jets game? It looks like edge of your seat excitement!

154
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:59pm

And Hobbes takes it right back on a nice INT on a long bomb to Parrish. To the surprise of Pats fans, a Pats DB played side-by-side with a receiver, jumped up, and pulled it away from the receiver.

155
by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:59pm

Is NE-Buffalo turning into an interception-fest?

156
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 4:59pm

How bad is JP Lostman? So bad that even the New England defense can't make him look like a competent QB.

157
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:03pm

The Jets traded their first rounder for a guy who can't catch, and a 2nd rounder which they used on a kicker who can't kick off. Brilliant moves.

158
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:03pm

Curses! Stupid slippery field...

159
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:05pm

What's up with the o line? If I can't complain about them, who can I complain about? :(

160
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:05pm

I love you, Jerome Bettis! You are a human tank.

161
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:06pm

I really am starting to wish that the Bears would bench Orton. I really liked the idea of continuity for a while, but they're getting dangerously close to the playoffs, and that would be a disaster. I actually enjoy watching the Bears this season, but when that offense comes on the field, I find something else to do... of course it has to be something really quick, since they're 3 -and-out consistent.

162
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:07pm

Ben 113.2.

163
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:07pm

Re:#58

You can complain about Sean Morey...

163
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:07pm

#161: And replace him with what? Grossman isn't any better, and hasn't been able to practice all year. When your only viable QB is a rookie, you need to expect to have a sluggish offense.

165
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:08pm

Let me guess -- TMQ will complain about Buffalo allowing that WR hitch TD to Troy Brown.

166
by kleph (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:09pm

Re: No. 145
you mean like "Theismann"?

167
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:10pm

Oooh! It's all knotted up in Tennessee!

168
by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:11pm

C'mon Rams!!!

169
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:11pm

I think Thomas Jones just set the out-of-bounds sliding record at something like 15 yards. That was hillarious.

170
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:11pm

Um... guys? An 18 point lead doesn't mean you are allowed to stop tackling...

171
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:12pm

Why is Tuiasasopo (sp?) starting for Oakland? Is Kerry Collins injured?

172
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:13pm

For the love of God, Cleveland, get a hold of yourselves!

173
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:14pm

Oh, I get it, their line is so bad, they'd rather let Tuiasasopo than Collins get sacked a bunch and possibly injured.

174
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:14pm

Man, I wish that were a real kick so I could make another bad stargate joke.

175
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:15pm

Ok, who the heck is going to buy a 52 yard FG attempt in the snow at Heinz field?

176
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:15pm

Re: 163 - I'd just replace him with Grossman. He was much better than this - he has a bit of accuracy. And if Grossman gets injured again, then your questions are answered, and you know its just time to get rid of him. What have they really got to lose, with no real hope in the playoffs? A team just cannot get very far with such a pathetic practice-squad offense.

177
by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:15pm

That was a give up call.

Just really, really weak. You are down by a kajillion, you supposedly have a good defense, you HAVE to go for it.

Field goal kicker punts?

Please........

178
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:16pm

Hah! Look at Bettis run! Not bad for an old, fat guy...

179
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:16pm

RE: 93

Well, Deuce was good when he played also. He's still a bust.

180
by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:16pm

Kyle Brady: 4 catches, 3 fumbles

181
by NFC Central Freak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:17pm

So simulataneously Bettis breaks a long run and the Vikes score another touchdown.

grumble, grumble......

182
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:18pm

Wow. I really wish I could tell what the heck is happening in the Pitt/Chicago game. Haynes runs up the middle, and I'm like "okay, it looks like he gained a yard... hey, what the heck, that looked like the ball flying up..."

183
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:19pm

Sigh... Some things never change...

Um, Mr. Whisenhunt? The draw to Verron Haynes on 3rd down is a little old...

184
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:19pm

The Jets are going to win. Amazing. They're blowing their chance at a good draft pick.

185
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:20pm

What? You gotta be kidding me. There's no way he had posession before going out of bounds. I don't care if he was pushed, he was drifting backwards anyway. Horrible call.

And the rule is stupid anyway. If you push him out, it should be incomplete.

186
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:21pm

Oh, and I'm talking about the Jets TD there.

187
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:21pm

#176: I still don't see how you can say "Well, we'll find out about Grossman" and that's somehow better than letter a rookie that has some promise develop. The Bears aren't going to win in the playoffs with Grossman if they can't win with Orton. The Bears are a young team. Their D will be around for a good while. But the Offence, the WHOLE offence, needs work. You by no stretch of the imagination can pin this all on Orton, because aside from him, the only player that's coming close to performing is Jones.

Rookies play like this, even post-Roethlisberger. What you have is a rookie with pretty good potential. Like I said, in the first half, when the field was actually throwable, I only saw two bad unrushed throws, one of which was a throw that any starter in the NFL could make. Cut the kid some slack.

188
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:22pm

Oh my! A TD in the Raiders- Jets game!

189
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:23pm

Who is that wearing Kyle Orton's jersey, and how do the Bears keep him around?

190
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:23pm

Normally, the refs screw the Jets so the Jets lose. Now, they're screwing the Jets so that the Jets win.
Phantom touchdown. McCareins was like 3 yards out of bounds.

191
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:23pm

Well, maybe there's still a game going on Pittsburgh...

192
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:24pm

Poor Gould missing the PAT. Perhaps only the strength of 3 or 4 men.

193
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:24pm

RE: 92

Bulger and Delhomme were good picks?

194
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:25pm

There will be fingers wagging at Ike Taylor in the film room this week.

195
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:25pm

RE: 93

I love that the anouncers informed me in the MIN/STL game that “Joe Vitt told me that STL came here to win today� Thanks for clearing that up, I thought they came to intentionally lose.

It's not as obvious as you would think. Watch the Raiders today.

196
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:27pm

Can't blame him that much, though. While the announcers have said "he should be used to kicking in this kind of weather", while the weather sucks in State College, it doesn't snow that often before late November, and they're done by then.

Plus the snow is coming down really fast. That field's gotta suck.

Incidentally, regarding Gould's last name - has he really said that it's pronounced "Gold"? Wow. They pronounced it wrong his entire time at Penn State, then.

197
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:29pm

Uh, yeah.
Delhomme: 2600+ yrds, 28 TD 13 INT
Bulger: ~2300 yrds, 18 TD 9 INT

And Bulger was only in half the year. He served me very well.

Now I can switch over to Roethlisberger, now that the wheels have fallen off Carolina and StL is in the middle of their Ivy League renaissance. I think I've done pretty well.

198
by Weekly Journalist (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:30pm

Debate topic:

RESOLVED: Tom Coughlin is a bad coach, because his big "strength" is his disciplinary tactics and yet he can't keep a team from jumping off sides 46 times in one game.

199
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:30pm

AHAHAH, they were numbering people saying "Look at all these guys in the box" So they do the ROLB, the RDE... and then start numbering steelers. Bettis was the eigth guy in the box!

200
by Ryan H (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:34pm

Charlie Frye just doesn't sound like the name of an actual person to me.

He just scrambled for a first down at the 12 though.

201
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:34pm

And all of a sudden it's a game. (If the Raiders make the 2pt conversion)

202
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:35pm

Geez... everytime I look at the Jax-Indy game, Jacksonville has fumbled the ball away...

203
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:35pm

Re: 186 - Yes, you're right... I'm more down on the Bears receivers, but there they really have no options. At least I've seen Grossman throw some pretty passes.

But I can agree that allowing continuity and development would be great, especially given the Bears' history.

204
by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:36pm

Thank you, CBS, for switching to Bengals-Browns from Jaguars-Colts.

205
by Murr (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:36pm

Pat, 195:

True, it doesn't snow that much early in the winter. (Of course, I've been there when it's snowed in February, and stuck around until May.)

Yup, really surprised me, too. Apparently, he was afraid to correct the pronunciation his Special Teams coach was using until he had hit a few FGs first.

206
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:37pm

Why bother challenging this? If it gets overturned, instead of a TD, the Raiders get the ball on the 1 inch line, and have 4 tries to ram it in there.

OK, I guess it will make them take more time of the clock before they score, which is good for the Jets.

But I don't think it's getting overturned anyway.

207
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:38pm

WHY DID THEY NOT GO FOR 2???

208
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:38pm

Oh, these assholes just switched to the Cle-Cin game from Ind-Jax. I don't care how close the battle of the orange helmets is, I was WATCHING that game!!!

209
by Pat (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:39pm

Note to Antwaan Randle-El: STOP SUCKING!!

210
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:39pm

Oakland is trying so hard to lose the game. They didn't even go for 2, when that's really their only chance.

211
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:39pm

Go Cleveland!

Oh, that sounds weird to say...

212
by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:40pm

J.P. Losman in a nutshell:

Last Play: 1-10-BUF 34(8:08) J.Losman pass incomplete to R.Parrish. Pass bounced to receiver at BUF 39, left side.

213
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:41pm

Indeed, calig. GO LEPRECHAUNS!

214
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:41pm

Thanks for pointing that out Travis, now I can switch to a decent game. (Who ever thought that I would say that regarding Cin-Cle)

215
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:42pm

Wow, what happened in the Carolina game?

216
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:43pm

Fake FG for houston gets them a first down at the tennessee 25. game tied at 10

217
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:43pm

Ok, I just heard an announcer say that most NFL coaches work for 18-20 hours a day. No one works his much. After a week you would be worse than useless without drugs. And even with drugs you would become more and more erratic. I always love these myths about NFL coaches getting 2 or 3 hours of sleep a night, CEOs working 70 hour weeks (sure if you counting chartered plane rides and hotel swims as working).

Have any of these people tried to function on 2 or 3 hours of sleep a night on an extended basis? It is impossible to do it and maintain any sort of mental or physical sharpness. Not to mention the fact that you will constantly be dosing off, and might start hallucinating after a two weeks even without drugs.

On a more personal note

Talk about lucky and I am 5/5 against the spread and 4/5 on the over/under. This must be to make up for some really poor weeks I had earlier in the season :).

218
by Rob (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:44pm

Hey, since I'm only getting the online gamecast, as a semi-Bills fan, do they really look as terrible as the stats would indicate? Who is worse, the OL or Losman?

219
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:44pm

To the sighs of relief of Pats fans everywhere, Flutie comes in to relieve Brady.

220
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:45pm

Wow, now I KNOW the officials are on the Jets' side today. One of them just assisted on a tackle of Tuiasasopo.

221
by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:46pm

Re: 195 - Yeah, that's exactly what he told the Chicago media. All the time he was there, apparently.

222
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:47pm

Fitzpatrick (Stl) isn't playing very well.

223
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:48pm

Generally when you're trying to pooch the punt, you don't blast it through the endzone, Mr. Gardocki...

224
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:48pm

70 hours isn't outrageous. If you work every day, that's 10 hours a day. You could sleep 8 hours a day, and still have 6 left over for personal time.

I'm in grad school for molecular bio, and I KNOW some of my classmates work 60 hours a week, and they still go out drinking with me a couple nights a week. I'm sure there must be some that work 70.

225
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:49pm

Aaaand the steelers go into prevent. Doh.

226
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:51pm

Blocked FG in Houston-Tennessee...

227
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:53pm

Yeah, but the point is CEOs don't work 70 hours a week. I am sure lots of people with two jobs do, or professors working towards tenure, and lots of other people. But, CEOs spend a large amount of time golfing flying in planes and such that is considered "working".

228
by John (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:55pm

Colts/Jags: It's a ballgame.

229
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:55pm

Well, Losman threw a TD pass.

Unfortunately it was to New England...

230
by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:55pm

Still a game in Jacksonville. JAX down by 8 with 1:54 left...another onside kick coming.

Dick Enberg's favorite verbal tick: "He's wide open!" If a QB completes a pass, the receiver is wide open no matter how many other defenders are in the screen.

231
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:56pm

Patriots win, Jets win, Bucs win, Vikings win.

232
by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:56pm

Ah, OK, I get it. Ooops.

233
by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:56pm

JAX kicks off deep with 3 timeouts remaining.

234
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:57pm

What the heck is going on with Browns/Bengals? Please, Browns, please....

235
by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:58pm

To answer my own question, two automatic first-down penalties on the browns when they were holding. Idiotic.

If gamecenter is to be trusted.

236
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:58pm

What a stupid penalty in the Cle-Cin game. What an idiot.

237
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:59pm

RE: 213 Panthers/Bucs

3rd down efficiency:
TB: 10/17 59%
Car: 1/10 10%

4th down:
Car: 0/2

Simms: 20/27, no turnovers
Caddy: 29 rush, 112 yards, 2 TD

Panthers INT in the red zone late in the 4th, returned to mid field, followed by a Bucs drive and Williams TD run on 3rd and 9 at the 11 yard line.

238
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 5:59pm

man, oakland is letting cedric houston and vincent askew churn out first down after first down to run out this game. now thats what i call defense. TD! SEE YA!

239
by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:00pm

1st down Colts. Game over.

240
by John (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:00pm

Colts got the first down, game effectively over.

241
by Ryan H (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:01pm

if the colts can grab one more first down the number of first downs for each side will be the same as the score.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:01pm

Colts win as well.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:02pm

Becephalus - are you basing this on anything in particular? I won't disagree if you say that CEOs are overpaid, but from my admittedly limited experience, they do consistently work 80+ hour weeks. At least within the accounting, insurance, hedge fund, I-banking, and software industries (plus law partners), 80-100 hour weeks are not uncommon for senior executives.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:03pm

ARGH. The rest of the season would've been so much easier had Cinci lost to Cleveland. Oh well. History now.

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by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:03pm

Indy clinches the division win and #1 seed in the AFC playoffs. So now I can stop seeing those "the Colts haven't clinched anything yet" posts. (And start seeing the "Manning can't win the big game" posts.)

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:03pm

#233 - The first of those holding penalties didn't look like a penalty to me. But I had the sound turned off and didn't hear what the announcers might have been saying. That would have made it 4th and 8 from the CLE33 with :51 left.

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by detritus76 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:04pm

Re: 238 - But not before Jags were able to nearly equal the Dolt's yardage.

Wish I could have seen the end of the game.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:04pm

Not that this matters much at this point in the season, but the STL special teams looked aweful today. Particularly thier return teams and the coverage on kickoffs.

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by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:07pm

E. James' success rate should take a hit after today's game. JAX D played well against the run.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:08pm

A lot of pretty pissed gamblers right now, I bet. Last line I saw, Indy was favored by 9 over Jax. They were up by 23 midway through the 4th quarter, then allowed two garbage TD's (including one 2pt conversion), and Jax covers.

I don't care though. The only bets I had on Indy were teasers, and those came out fine. :)

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:09pm

Phil Simms on the NE Patriots:
"They're gonna go to the playoffs, I don't care what anybody says."

Umm, everybody says they're going to the playoffs, Phil.

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by Kaveman (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:09pm

Wild:

1-10-MIN 42 (1:16) (Shotgun) R.Fitzpatrick pass to T.Holt to MIN 27 for 15 yards (B.Williams). FUMBLES (B.Williams), RECOVERED by MIN-D.Sharper at MIN 23. D.Sharper to MIN 37 for 14 yards (K.Curtis). FUMBLES (K.Curtis), RECOVERED by SL-O.Pace at MIN 37.

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by admin :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:09pm

Thanks for almost losing, Bengals. Unless SD or DEN wins by 40 points, I think I'm safe on the DVOA controversy this week.

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by Todd S. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:10pm

#249 I caught that too. Brilliant insight from Boomer.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:11pm

Houston and Oakland lost on purpose.

At least, that's the way it seemed.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:11pm

R.Bironas kicks 43 yards from TEN 30 to HST 27. T.Washington (didn`t try to advance) to HST 24 for -3 yards. Lateral to J.Mathis to TEN 26 for 50 yards (R.Hill). PENALTY on TEN-R.Hill, Face Mask (15 Yards), 13 yards, enforced at TEN 26.
1-10-TEN 13 (:00) (Field Goal formation) K.Brown 31 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-B.Pittman, Holder-C.Stanley.

Wow, what a painful finish for Houston.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:12pm

Well I have only known two CEOs personally and both of them told me they rarely put in more than 30-40 hours of actual work. They siad there are "workaholics", but that much of the "work" most CEOs claim is traveling on planes between locations, attending events (like dinners, lunches, etc. and time spent in hotels or on the phone thinking or talking about work).

If I added the time I spent traveling to work and the time I spent thinking about work onto my work week I would probably easily reach 60 hours myself.

I could be wrong and these guys could just be outliers but from eveything I have seen or read I doubt it is.

Back to the NFL...

Anyone rpovide a brief synopsis of the CLE/CIN game and how the browns kept it close (CIN mistakes, CLE good play etc.)?

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:13pm

Definitely seemed that way for Oakland. Tennessee, I'm not so sure. I mean, why return that last kickoff so far?

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:15pm

lol at comment 251 Aaron, I feel bad you are so harried for the system's choices.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:16pm

Sweet! We DO get KC-Dallas in NYC! I know somebody said it earlier, but I just couldn't believe it.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:17pm

Did Houston shank that FG on purpose?

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by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:17pm

I don't know about CEOs, but lawyers can work a whole lot. I have a friend in NYC who from Mothers Day til early August got Friday evenings off. I mean he worked from wake to sleep every day except friday.
Well, that isn't entirely true, he got 3 days off total during that time.
Of course this was only because they had several really big cases, now he is back to working normal crazy hours.

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by Kaveman (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:17pm

Argh. Return the opening kickoff 87 yards? 1st and 10 at the Denver 10 for Baltimore. :-(

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by MAW (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:18pm

Huh. The Miami/San Diego game on CBS isn't in HD.

For those of you who see that game: Yeah, it's that nice outside in SoCal today. I think I'm going to skip the afternoon games and Do Something.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:21pm

Umm, my quote from Simms earlier wasn't actually from Simms. It's from some other white guy on the CBS studio show. Boomer maybe?

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:22pm

KC has looked great so far, except that the receivers can't catch.

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by Kaveman (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:23pm

How'd Moats look on that 40 yard TD run? I read that Shanahan wanted him, which makes the spidey sense go off...

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:24pm

Regular lawyers aren't really comparable to CEOs, since when you become a partner (the CEO equivalent), you get greater control over your own schedule. It also varies widely by firm. I think the median is about 50.

For more Anecdotal evidence, my father is a VP, and he works a lot, but it's by choice. The other VPs don't work nearly as much as he does, and I'm pretty sure they do the 40 and leave every week. I think 70-hour CEOs is a myth created by overcontrolling CEOs and their ilk to make it seem that they're working twice as hard to intimidate/inspire their employees.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:27pm

Heres a couple comments:

1. I've been drinking Beer since 11.

2. YAY STEELERS!

3. Kyle Orten is poo.

5. This is two weeks in a row the Browns have gotten my hopes up only to blow it late. I hate you Cleveland.

H. JEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOME!!!!!!!

6> GO COWBOYS! AND DOLPHINS!

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by Kevo (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:28pm

Shanahan also wanted Maurice Clarett

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by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:32pm

My anecdote was just showing that it IS humanly possible to work really awful hours for a while, as long as you know an end is in the future.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:32pm

Wow, the Cowboys defense looks absolutely helpless against KC.

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by Kaveman (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:32pm

270: I don't think anyone doubts Clarett's talent. His (lack of) work ethic and maturity and a poor attitude are what cost him a career.

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by little red tractor (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:32pm

re 267 good move outside, excellent downfield block and speeeed

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by Kevo (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:35pm

Kaveman, I'm with you there.

But now that you mention that, I'm thinking of how Moats has barely seen any time this year because he didn't know the playbook well enough until a couple weeks ago.

He's certainly got the quickness and speed, but we Eagles fans are questioning his work ethic until he can show us something.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:36pm

Hey Steve Young....who is soft now Nancy Boy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:37pm

In the Redskins-Cardinals game, the first 5 drives have ended on turnovers. There were also a fumble and interception overturned by penalties.

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by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:38pm

5 turnovers so far in the 1st quarter of the Cardinals/Redskins game. No punts. 3 Cardinals possessions, 3 turnovers. 2 Redskins possessions, 2 turnovers (and one more negated by penalty).

Oh yes, it's craptacular.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:41pm

jebmak-

I wasn't really contesting that. Working 12-16 hours a day 4 or 5 days a week is doable (there have been two periods in my life where I averaged over 60 hours a week for a month fairly easily, if very unhappily)

My orignial comment had to do with someone claiming NFL coaches worked 100-140 hours a week, which is clearly absurd, and I compared that myth to the idea that CEOs are all these wrokaholic no life types who's sole desire is to see their company succeed. From my experience they are just normal people, (albiet usually very intelligent/capable and very very rich people).

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by Murr (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 6:43pm

Wow - what an irritating game. Burress absolutey *mugs* Sheldon Brown, and they call interference on the Eagles. Then, the bogus Roughing the Passer call on Thomas, who reached Elisha approximately 0.05 seconds after he released the ball. Here is when I start to think one of the refs has money on the Giants.

Thank God for Brian Dawkins -- if that's any other member of the secondary, Manning gets free, and probably throws for a TD.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:00pm

I love how, as the announcers are talking about how good Bledsoe is at throwing it downfield, and the defenders need to be careful about getting beat deep, CBS shows a graphic at the bottom of the screen:

Drew Bledsoe
1 completion of 40+ yds in last 259 attempts

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:00pm

And now KC's defense looks helpless against the Cowboys.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:00pm

#280:

That's interesting to hear. I've been following the game on a Giants MB, and they're all moaning that the Eagles own the refs because of an uncalled block in the back on Moats' TD, and the no-TD ruling on the Jacobs 3rd down run.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:05pm

Good lord the Redskins suck a lot.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:08pm

The craptacle (that's like spectacle) that is the WAS @ ARI game has just shown us its 7th turnover (3 for WAS, 4 for ARI). 5 minutes and change until half.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:12pm

Re: coaching work weeks

I don't have personal knowledge of NFL hours, but I do know about what is expected at the major college level and some of those I coached with had NFL experience. If our hours were different, I'm sure it would have been noted.

Film study and game plans have to be completed as soon as possible so that changes can be installed starting with Monday and Tuesday practice. You have to be there well before 7 am. And often work til midnight (with recruiting calls even later). By Thursday, "the hay is in the barn" and you can catch up on sleep. Friday morning is personal time.

Bottom line -- lots of work starting Sunday with grading of Sat game film and analysis of opponent to start on game plan. No more than 5 hours sleep Sun, Mon, Tues. Maybe a little more on Wed.

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by Murr (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:14pm

#283:

Yeah, amazing how your home team can color your own perception. The block in the back was there -- I didn't see it until they showed it replay aftewards - twice. While commenting on how well the WRs were blocking. And the Jacobs non-TD call was... interesting. I guess they couldn't see the spot of the ball well enough.

Now, I'm starting to wonder if the refs are thinking, "Okay, if we totally blow a couple of blatant calls for *both* sides, nobody can accuse us of bias, right?" Sure, guys -- just total and complete incompetence.

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:16pm

I like laughing at Redskins fans. Maybe by now they understand what "regression to mean" means. 2-6 on third down against the Arizona Cardinals.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:19pm

Is the stat line on Drew Brees right? 17/26 for 104 yards midway thru the 2d Q?

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by kleph (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:22pm

one problem i have with these "workload" statistics that get bandied about is i have never heard this statistic about the hours NFL coaches work broken down for the regular season and off season. i imagine there is quite a difference.

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by Kaveman (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:25pm

5 carries, 89 yards, 2 TDs. Runs of 40, 20 and 19 yards. Nice work for Ryan Moats.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:34pm

RE: 138

A lot of athletes can't pronounce their own names.

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:37pm

I'm glad Philadelphia has shown up to play today.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:37pm

Fumble by Green and the Cowboys return it deep into KC territory. Marcus Spears for 56 yards!

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by Murr (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:39pm

Moats looks like the real deal, but I'm not going to get too excited -- Greg Lewis looked like a potential stud WR last season, and he hasn't been worth a damn this year. Dropping that first big pass today summed his season up quite well.

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by Kevo (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:40pm

Somehow the Eagles are tied with the Giants at the half.

God bless Ryan Moats.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:40pm

RE: 187

The Bears are a Super Bowl contender with a real QB. Grossman is a lot closer to a real QB than Kyle Krenzel.

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by Dan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:42pm

Re: 161, 164, 176, 187

Mwah-ha-ha, everything is going according to plan. See link on my name.

Fnor, I think you're far too accustomed to playing for next year. If your team can be in the playoffs, you don't want to be developing your rookie QB. You want to win. Grossman has not looked like a great quarterback, but he has looked better than Orton in the games he's played. He gives the Bears a better shot at winning. That is what counts.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:44pm

Dallas has the lead. Wow. Every turnover in their last 5 games has been turned into a TD.

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by DavidH (not verified) :: Sun, 12/11/2005 - 7:49pm

Wow, KC is really screwing up the end of the first half.