Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 17 Game Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Saturday and Sunday's games. You can talk about who you think will win or lose before the games start and last-minute news on Sunday morning. Then during the games, discuss strange plays, great performances, and stupid announcers (of which there are plenty). After the day is done, we'll discuss the results of the week Sunday night and Monday before our weekly commentary articles appear.

Comments

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by Larry R. (not verified) :: Thu, 12/29/2005 - 2:58am

Just a thought Seattle 21 Green Bay 14........ Go Seahawks!

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by charles (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 6:54pm

the niners are getting 1.5 points to the texans! AT HOME!!!! With reggie bush on the line. What is this nonsense.

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by Chris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/30/2005 - 7:23pm

Interesting read on my name. I'm pretty shocked by that one, to be honest.

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 6:46pm

I'm listening to the Chargers-Broncos, and looks like the announcer is sleeping.

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by Moon Hippo (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 6:54pm

watching the broncos-chargers game in the UK. No way that Bell is getting 1000 yards for the season - I'd be impressed if he manages 50 yards today the way its going.

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:00pm

4th and 13, Marty go for it.
Broncos have the ball.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:02pm

Go Chargers. Win and the Steelers are in!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:04pm

Wow. Big hit right there. Putzier still down.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:07pm

So starting TE is out, and Plummer has been sacked twice...when are they done? next series?

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:13pm

Battle of the 50+ yard punters.

And is LT going to get 40+ carries? Would be cool to see him break a couple big ones and flirt w/ 300.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:20pm

Come on Chargers.

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by Clod (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:24pm

2nd down pass for a 1st anyone??

Got em in 5 diff flavors!

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by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:27pm

Gates just made 3 Broncos defenders look silly. Nice moves.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:46pm

This is why the Chargers aren't going to the playoffs.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:47pm

I don't even know what that means actually.

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by foos (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:48pm

Drew Brees really messed up his throwing arm if the replay is any indication.

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by ZChen (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:49pm

a phillip rivers cameo~

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:51pm

Nasty shoulder injury on Brees. And the SD offseason just got agonizingly more interesting.

Wow, just a horrible pass to start by Rivers. Great play by Gates to hustle over and break it up.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:53pm

And a delay penalty. I know Rivers hasn't played much in two years, but come on.

I suppose there are worse alternatives to scrambling than tossing it to Tomlinson, though. I guess that's a heads-up play.

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by Paul (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 7:53pm

Gates made a nice defensive stop on Rivers first throw. Too bad Gates is offense.

When they talked about the Brees injury, at first I thought he sustained it on the hit from Lynch who went for the throwing arm. Brees looked a little tentative with his arm after that but still went after the loose ball. But then Brees' arm got caught on the ground and ...ouch. His arm can't be feeling all that good right now. With this game not meaning anything to the team, definitely needs to rest it till summer camp. Who's SD's third stringer?

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by KillerB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:03pm

Announcers just noted that SD was using an unbalanced line (though they didn't call it that, they mentioned they had two tackles to one side, with Antonio Gates on the other, with Gates still eligible).

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:05pm

1. Somebody should tell Jim Nantz that nobody besides Eric Parker cares if Eric Parker gets an extra $500,000.

2. Phillip Rivers is off to a rocky start.

3. It's 3rd and 1 with LT in your backfield and you try to pass it across the field with a QB who's struggled ever since he came in the game.

4. Thank you Marty for changing your mind and actually running it on a short yardage situation.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:47pm

Yikes. That was most definitely that.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:47pm

There's a rule that every Denver QB has to have a bad mustache, I suppose.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:54pm

Somebody on San Diego might want to tackle Bradlee Van Pelt.

Just a thought.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:54pm

I still don't know what I think about this game having playoff implications for two teams other than the two teams playing. Come to think of it, it's kind of BCS-ish.

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by foos (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 8:54pm

Van Pelt runs every play. This is awesome!

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:00pm

What? Who is he, Jay Feely all of a sudden?

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by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:02pm

Why is Sauerbrun kicking FGs?

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:05pm

Oops, didn't realise it wasn't Elam.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:07pm

Actually, it makes sense. Since it seems to be raining pretty hard, I guess Denver didn't want to risk Elam slipping and falling and injuring himself.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:15pm

Actually, it was Elam.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:27pm

Actually, it was Elam.

Silly of me to trust Gamecenter over my own perception.

Now Sauerbrun has -1 extra point attempts.

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by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:27pm

By playing Rivers and showcasing his skills (or complete lack thereof, so far this game), San Diego is ruining their chances of getting something decent in trade if they wanted to get rid of him in the offseason.

Shoulda put in that 3rd stringer!

T.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:33pm

Why the hell did they punt it?

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by TWD (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:35pm

I wouldn't call 12-22-115-0-1 in a game where it's raining cats and dogs that bad.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:36pm

I think this is good. Pitt has to win an easy game to get in now, unless KC loses to Cincy.

Would have liked Bell to get his 1,000 for the season. He's gonna have to get 90 more yards - doubtful.

Bronco fan.

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 9:38pm

I'm not a big Rivers fan but I would be surprised if tonight's game hurt his trade potential very much. He hadn't thrown a pass all season. They said he only took a few snaps all week. He's playing against a pretty good pass defense. The field is wet. I think most GMs will still figure he has a lot of "upside" which I think is a codeword for "Please God let him be better than Aaron Brooks." He's not really doing any worse than McMahon or Orton or Bouman.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:24pm

Wow.

Tiki Barber rules.

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by Patrick Bateman (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:27pm

Tiki Barber ought to be MVP. Getting his number behind one of the most-penalized line sin the NFL....yeah. MVP.

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by Pio (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:28pm

Sad for Bell, got 3 TD but still ended up 79 yd short of his 1000. Then again, when you're in a position where you can get 3 TD and be disappointed, ya got it pretty good...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:29pm

RE: 2

I like the 49ers to win.

That Barber run set a new Giants record. The Oakland D is pathetic.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:31pm

RE: 5

Well, he got the 50 yards...and 3 TDs to boot. ;)

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:38pm

RE: 3

Yeah, it's very surprising. PFT mentioned something about this a few days ago. Collins, a Lerner guy, didn't like Savage.
Amazingly stupid move for the Browns, but that's why they're the Browns.
Personally, I would've fired Collins and kept Savage.

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by Patrick Bateman (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:43pm

The Giants pass D sucks too. As usual.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:44pm

Re: 41.

I doubt that Bell is disappointed, but I would have liked to see him get the thousand.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 10:56pm

You'd think that the Giants should be ruling this game, Oakland is a push over team and the Giants need the win for their division title.

Washington is most likely not going to lose to Philly, so if the Giants don't start showing some plays, they're going to end up as a wild card team. If the Giants can't win this game, they don't even need to think about their chances in the playoffs.

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by tunesmith (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:07pm

Dayne looked pretty dang good today, too.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:09pm

Nice toss there, Elisha.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:10pm

Oops, I guess nobody will remember that Cade McNown-ish turf ball now.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:12pm

Finally, two big plays by the Giants and they are now ruling their playoff destiny.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:15pm

Re: 48.

You are right, Ron Dayne looked mighty good today. Seems like the Denver O line can make most backs look good!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:32pm

The Oakland defense is atrocious. Big play after big play against them.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:34pm

BTW, I couldn't figure out why Brees was starting. They got to see Rivers anyway, but this was the perfect situation to start Rivers and see what he's got.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:36pm

Wow, the Raiders are still a dangerous team to face, but it looks like the Giants are up to the task, so far.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:38pm

Williams dropped it. Anderson would've had that one.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sat, 12/31/2005 - 11:46pm

The Raider's, and most AFC West teams aren't likely to make it very easy to get a win over them. Their best competition is against teams in their own division and not teams outside of it. The AFC West rules!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 12:23am

If I'm facing 4th and 10 deep in my own territory, there's no punter I'd rather have than Shane Lechler. He's awesome.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 12:33am

Seems like the breaks are going to the Giants at this point! I still think that the Raiders will get it much closer, even if they lose.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 12:36am

Yep. Raiders will cover the spread, IMO.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 12:39am

RE: Raiders

What people are missing is that the Raiders are many times better as a home team than as a road team, and the Giants are similar. If this game were in New Jersey, it'd be a blowout.
The Raiders are usually tough to beat at home.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:00am

Re: 61

Not this year, Raiders are 2 - 5 at home this year.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:28am

Yes this year. They've been a much better home team than road team. Check out the games if you don't believe me.

Anyway, the Raiders should have covered here but the O-line stinks.

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by Noble (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:29am

You'd think four chances would be enough to get one yard.

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:53am

Tonight we saw the real MVP of the league at work - Tiki Barber. 1860 yards rushing, 530 yards receiving for the season. #10 all-time season in rushing yards, #2 all-time season in yards from scrimmmage with just 39 yards behind Marshall Faulk in 1999, with the mark compiled against some of the toughest run defenses this year. Accounting for 40% of his teams total yardage. And just one fumble in 411 touches.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:53am

That win by New York guarantees Tampa Bay a playoff spot (as opposed to the 99.1% odds of making the playoffs that I had them at before).

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:54am

Kerry Collins did get in the endzone too.

The ball could be clearly seen crossing the plane in the sideline view.

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 1:54am

Oakland this year:
- At NE (first game of season): lost by 10 but had 350 yards of offense and 19 first downs. Held Dillon to 60 yards (but 2 TDs).
- At Philly (third week): lost by 3. Held TO under 100 yards.
- At TEN. Won by 9, helped by a penalty that overturned a return TD.
- At KC. Lost thanks to Johnson's TD with 5 seconds on the clock. Had more first downs than KC.
- At WAS. Won by 3.
- At SD. Crushed by the Chargers.
- At DEN. Crushed by the Broncos.

Only in two of those games were they seriously outplayed by the opposition. In the other six they were relatively close.

Meanwhile at home they lost to Cleveland (Collins was worth 3.4 yards per pass play that day), lost to Miami (4.2 yards per pass play, Collins was sacked 7 times and had 2 picks), self destructed against the Broncos (5 turnovers, 4 times sacked, 7 penalties), and played okay against KC, DAL, SD, and BUF.

I'm not a Raiders fan and only saw a few of these games but looking over the box scores I'm not seeing a huge disparity between home and away play for the Raiders this year. On the road they played tough teams (NE, PHI, KC) close. At home they lost to bad teams (MIA, CLE). DVOA says that the Raiders are the most consistent defense in the NFL this year and are one of the most consistent (#23) offenses, which seems to argue against big fluctuations based on home/away.

Maybe Aaron can chime in with week-by-week DVOA for the Raiders or something ;)

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 2:05am

Re: 63.

Whatever, 2 and 6 at home is not good. If that is the definition of a good home team advantage, then that team is doomed, no matter how much their fan's worship them. It's too bad you think that is a good thing! Oakland stinks and if their fans don't like it, that's just too bad!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:22am

RE: 68

You're conveniently ignoring the games where they played surprisingly well at home.
The Raiders home/road split was not as great as it usually is, but Oakland was still a better home team than road team this season.
Same for the Giants.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:23am

RE: 69

Oakland was not a very good team overall this season. I didn't say they were.

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by RLB (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:37am

Also, 2 of 6 losses on the road is not good, either. In any case, 4 wins and 12 losses are pretty much self explained. It's like your out of here Raiders and the Broncos are in. Don't even think that Seattle is a contender, as much as Californians would like it to be so. Denver's got this superbowl win!

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:59am

I didn't leave out anything intentionally. I just didn't see any games in the box scores that looked like "surprisingly good games at home". Losses to KC, SD, DEN, MIA, CLE, NYG. Did they play surprisingly good in any of those? The only ones that seem like candidates are the KC and NYG games. Wins against DAL and BUF. Neither of those looked like they were substantially better games than what they put together on the road to me.

I could very well be wrong. That's just how it looked to me from the box scores. I'm willing to be convinced -- although their low DVOA variance seems a fairly tough hurdle -- you just haven't provided me with any arguments I can sink my teeth into yet. Can you elaborate on which home games you felt they played better in?

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:18am

Brees has a dislocated shoulder... and yep, it's his throwing arm.

If I remember correctly, PFP2005 named that as one of the five worst injuries in football.

Better hang onto Philip Rivers a little while longer, San Diego.

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by Jon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:19am

Re: 68

Maybe you left it out because Tuiasosopo started, but you forgot to list the Raiders' 26-10 away loss to the 3-12 Jets, starring Brooks Bollinger and Cedric Houston.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:07pm

TOUCHDOWN ANTWAAN RANDLE EL

Great return. And it looks like we've officially confirmed he has learned how to run forward.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:08pm

ARE gets things started for the Steelers- returns a punt for a TD...

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:11pm

Re:#76

Oh, I'm sure he'll lose 10 yards or so on the next one while he's dancing around...

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:12pm

Happy New Year to all at FO!

Carolina @ Atlanta and Washington @ Philly tonighr in the UK.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:15pm

78: For once, I doubt it.
He's only had one of those dancing returns in the last three games.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:15pm

Wow, that was a piss-poor defensive drive by the Steelers, and an easy TD for Detroit...

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:16pm

Oh goddammit, defense, at least TRY.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:17pm

Manning is sitting after one series. Bring on the Jim Sorgi allstars.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:19pm

Go Lions!

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:25pm

Ugh, bad call. Morgan had it, was down, then the defender pulled his arm away. That's a completion!

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:27pm

Oh, bloody hell. I didn't realize when I took this job that I was moving into a secondary market for the Ravens. I think my brain's going to melt by the end of this game.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:28pm

James (79) - Here in Israel, Middle East TV has CIN-KC and CHI-MIN.

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by admin :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:29pm

Hey all. Two fun things. First, if the game you are watching becomes a blowout, you can enjoy a very-delayed, just-posted FO Mailbag on the front page. Second, the CBS guys said that if the Pats get a lead (which will be a while, Miami just scored) we'll see not just Flutie but RUSHER McFUMBLES!!! Whoo-hoo!

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:32pm

Ye Gods!

The defense looks putrid today...

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:32pm

Could someone please tell the Steelers to wake up? This game is kinda important.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:33pm

Who kidnapped Joey Harrington and put a real quarterback in his uniform?

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:33pm

WTF is happening in Pittsburgh?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:36pm

What's happening is that the Steelers apparently have forgotten that they kind of need to win this game...

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:36pm

Colclough ran the kickoff back to the DET 33. Strange day inded.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:42pm

OOPS! 2nd & 1, Ronnie Heard reads Delhomme, jumps a route and drops what was a certain pick six.
3rd & 1 DeShaun Foster makes a cut in the backfield, and Antuan Edwards, the other Falcons safety, misses the tackle. Foster goes 70 yds untouched for the TD. Not a good series for the Atlanta secondary

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:42pm

Okay, all even again.

Time to show up, defense...

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by Yaxley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:44pm

I'm not sure who the announcing crew doing DET@PIT is, but they're pointing out important blocks on almost every play and explaining various defensive stunts. It's actually interesting to hear what they have to say.

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:44pm

So, it's the end of the first quarter in Cleveland, and the QBs are a combined 2 for 10, with one of those resulting in a two-yard gain.

I repeat my earlier statement about brain-melting.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:49pm

Once again, the defense is looking horrible...

When did Harrington become competent?

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:51pm

Neil Rackers update:

Just tied the single season field goal record. Needs one more for the record (40).

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:52pm

I like Ricky Williams, so what sue me.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:54pm

Re: 87. In Osaka Japan, we got Cincy/KC, but listening to a few games on live radio at the same time.

Staying up late for football is fun.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:55pm

Re:#100

Good for Rackers that the Cards like kicking field goals at the 1 yard line...

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:55pm

The DET@PIT announcing crew is the best I've heard all year. Why hasn't FOX been using these guys?

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:57pm

This is making me really jealous that I don't get Fox.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:59pm

Gah! DROPPED PASSES!

Holy shit. The FOX crew just made a Keep Choppin' Wood reference.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 3:59pm

Um... guys....? You are allowed to catch the football...

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:03pm

To add to the Fox debate, Sam Rosen & Bill Maas are calling the CAR @ ATL game.

This is the second time this year I've heard them call the game and they are both really good on line play. You get told who's blocking who, who has responsibilty for which gap, and why a play suceeded or failed. Why can't they all be like this?

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:03pm

Watching GB-SEA (the only game on for me), Noah Herrion looks IMO better than Samkon Gado did. Yet more proof of the fungibility of RBs.

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by admin :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:04pm

Wait, a KCW reference like a reference to FO and Scramble, or just a reference to the Jaguars? That's Ron Pitts and Tim Ryan, according to FOXSports.com.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:05pm

Oh, and since I'm the only one watching it apparently, Shaun Alexander got a TD (giving him the record). He's still in the game right now. Apparently they're trying to get him to 2000 yards.

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by Jeffo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:07pm

Zac - I think they are leaving him until he passes Tiki for the rushing title, especially after him coming up 1 yard short last year.

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:08pm

New England didn't wait for the lead -- Maybe they figured that, since Brady was 3 of 8 with a pick, Cassell could do about the same. :-/

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:09pm

Does he already have the rushing record?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:10pm

You know what I hate?

Miller Lite commercials.

They suck.

They could probably just show a bottle for a minute or so, and it would be 1,000 times better.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:10pm

Okay, who switched Ben Roethlisberger with Joey Harrington?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:10pm

Who was that too, Ben?

Terrible pass...

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:12pm

Its funny that the Bengals and Patriots are resting players, no one wants to be the #3 seed?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:12pm

Wow, Starks gotten abused on the play...

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:13pm

Hah! Fumble on the punt!

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:14pm

Well it looks like the Steelers' special teams are going to bail them out today.

How often do you see that happen in Pittsburgh?

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:15pm

If it weren't for the ST, the Steelers would be getting plastered.

Considering it's the Lions, that's really not that encouraging...

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:15pm

You're correct, Jeffo. He's something like 7 yards short of the rushing title right now.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:15pm

Tiki ended last night 53 yards ahead of Alexander. He'll probably sit as soon as he gets yard #54.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:15pm

And to prove the FO point on DeShaun Foster, he cost Carolina 4 points, by getting stuffed 3 times from inside the 2.

On 1st down, he doesn't get low, and so doesn't cross the goal line If he lowers his shoulder he scores. On 2nd down he gets stood up going over the line, and on 3rd down on a toss play he doesn't switch hands and so he gets run out at the 1 rather than breaking the plane with the ball.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:17pm

Re:#121

Well, it's sort of fitting. The Steelers can never get all 3 facets to play well in the same game, so since the offense and defense forgot to show up, the ST decided to, for once.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:17pm

TD, Bettis!

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by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:19pm

Larry Johnson is tearing the Bengals apart.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:19pm

How will we manage if Jerome actually retires? There is no one quite like him.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:20pm

Touchdown Bus!

And Bettis gets mobbed by Steelers in the end zone... and Dre Bly.
Everybody loves Bettis.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:20pm

Update: According to Gamecenter, Alexander now has 61 yds, which would give him the rushing title.

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by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:21pm

#125
James,

He does not even have to cross the plane with the ball, it is enough if any part of his body moves over the pilon (if I understand well how you described the situation).

133
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:22pm

It took Cleveland until ten minutes into the second quarter to record a first down. Just pointing it out.

134
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:23pm

#132 - I love this site. A guy in Hungary is clarifying the rules for a guy in London.

135
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:24pm

Another fumble!

136
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:24pm

It's a FUM-BLE!

Steelers have it in Detroit territory AGAIN!

137
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:24pm

Funble recovery by Polamalu. do we get three at the buzzer?

138
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:24pm

"Larry Johnson is tearing the Bengals apart. "

Does he have a shot at the rushing title? :-)

139
by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:25pm

Jake Delhomme must not normally throw to Steve Smith much -- Atlanta keeps being surprised by it happening.

140
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:25pm

Damn!

Int...

141
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:26pm

Ben high and picked.

What is up with this game?

142
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:26pm

Israel,

And the guy from Hungary got acquainted with the sport while living in Korea.

It is no longer an American sport :-)

143
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:26pm

Since Larry Johnson is shredding Holmes's team rushing yards record right now, I just thought I would bring this up:

If Priest is forced to retire this year, does he enter the Terrell Davis discussion on whether he did enough over a period of time to get into the HOF?

144
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:26pm

Forget that three.

145
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:27pm

Levente,

He has 137 yards after the first half. He had 1,545 before the game. Assuming a comparable second half, he'd end the year with 1,819 yards (and the second best single-game performance ever), so, sadly, no.

It would have been an incredible story, though.

146
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:27pm

FO could use a frappr.com account.

147
by admin :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:27pm

I wish there were more big backs like Bettis. Everyone knows I'm a fan of the RB committee and I really like the idea of having a Bettis type to go with the smaller guy. Maybe our boy Nick Hartigan can be a Bettis type.

So much for Atlanta playing for pride, they're getting spanked. Anyone have an answer on the KCW question? I assume since nobody answered, it clearly was not a Scramble reference. Um, what's frappr.com?

148
by The Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:28pm

Steelers have dropped at least five passes in the first half.

149
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:29pm

Ben's passer rating for the half is 9.3. Harrington is 120.2.

150
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:29pm

#132,

I should have been clearer. Foster was stood up diving over his own Offensive line. The ball was spotted at the half-yard line. Of course if he'd hit the hole instead of the O-line, he'd have scored.

151
by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:29pm

Ben's been a little off today but he ain't getting any help. Ward dropped a TD that hit him right in the face. The INT at the end of the first half hit Randle-El right in the hands. Quincy Morgans dropped 2 balls that were right in his hands (what else is new Q?).

How about a little help here boys?

152
by Yaxley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:30pm

Aaron/Outsiders,

If I recall correctly, when Cedric Wilson dropped a pass, the announcers suggested that "he heard some wood chopping." I don't think it was meant as an FO reference.

153
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:30pm

ZasZ,

Sorry, that tried to be a joke. I know his stats (but thanks).
But just think of it, he started 9 games only!

154
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:31pm

147: Not directly a Scramble reference, but definitely the same concept.

155
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:32pm

Speaking of commercials...

In that commercial with the ballerina playing football, shouldn't the TD NOT be a TD? She swings on the goalpost before catching the pass- but aren't goalposts out of bounds? I didn't think a player could go out of bounds, come back in, and be the first person to touch the football?

I realize I'm nitpicking a commercial, but they should still strive for accuracy...

156
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:33pm

James,

Thanks for the clarification. I will only see the game tomorrow from tape.

157
by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:34pm

Calig23 you're drunk.

158
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:35pm

Levente,
I knew it was a joke. However, I realized the incredible part is that it's not such a far-fetched possibility.

159
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:35pm

NFL halftime stats mention Carson Palmer. Wasn't Kitna playing today? Did he get hurt?

160
by The Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:36pm

RE #155

I say the exact same thing every time that commercial comes on. Illegal touching!

161
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:37pm

Re:#157

Yeah, maybe, Steel.

Hey, what are you going to do about that cell phone? You really should pretend to be that "Jeremy" guy.

That would be fun...

162
by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:38pm

"If Priest is forced to retire this year, does he enter the Terrell Davis discussion on whether he did enough over a period of time to get into the HOF?"

i don't think Priest will qualify for that, just because he was never the sarter for a SB winner (I can't remember, was he on the Baltimore team that won the Superbowl?). T Davis wouldn't even be in the discussion if Denver didn't win two in a row.

163
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:39pm

Frappr.com is a website where you can create a "group map", so, every user that has an account could log on, and place a marker on their city.

That way, we would have a world "FO reader" map.

164
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:40pm

Re:#160

That, and I imagine that when she uses one of the defenders for leverage, that could be considered "pushing off." It's with her feet, not her hands, but still...

165
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:42pm

Re:#162

Holmes was on the team, but he wasn't the starter. He ran for 8 yards on 4 carries, and caught a pass for 4 yards.

166
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:43pm

Er, regarding my post, those stats are from the Super Bowl.

167
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:44pm

#159
Israel,

The stat always shows the player with the higher yardage. Kitna only had 17 so far.

168
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:45pm

Another big Johnson run. Third touchdown, all three on big runs. He's at 170 yards right now, averaging 10 a carry.

169
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:45pm

Hah!

I love you, Hines!

170
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:46pm

Number three for The Bus!

171
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:46pm

RE #162:

See, I have thought about that, and I'm not sure that Priest wouldn't qualify. He would qualify for FO's FFHoF in a landslide, however :)

Also, about TD and Denver's SB wins. Is there a more underwhelming SB champ then '97-'98 Broncos? You hardly hear anything about them. It's like they didn't exist or something.

If you compare #s, Priest should get in with over 10000 total yards, almost 100 total TDs and he has held NFL single season records (and still is tied for the Rushing TD record, since one of Alexander's TDs was a reception TD)

172
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:47pm

167 - Levente, I realize that. I thought Palmer wasn't playing at all.

173
by Kachunk (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:47pm

That's a classic steelers drive. 4 willie parker runs, 40 yard pass to hines ward. Touchdown by bettis. Does it get any more classic than that??

174
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:48pm

We have a Roethlisberger sighting. Finally.

TOUCHDOWN JEROME BETTIS! AGAIN!
He now has four rushes: Two yards on first-and-5 (successful play), one-yard touchdown on 4th-and-goal, five-yard touchdown on 2nd-and-3, four-yard touchdown on 1st-and-goal.

I wonder what his DPAR will be.

175
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:48pm

OMG, they are actually switching a game in the St. Louis area. I think this is the first time this year it has happened. Going from CAR/ATL to TB/NO

176
by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:49pm

Jerome Rules.

I'm one of those fans that doesn't really get into the "favorite player" thing. I just cheer for whoevers on the team. The name on the front means more than the name on the back...you know? One of those things. Jerome Bettis is one of the few exceptions. Truely one of my all time favorite Pittsburgh athletes and it's breaking my heart that i'm not there to see this today.

3 TD's (so far) in whats probably his final home game in Pittsburgh.

You rule Jerome. You freakin' rule.

177
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:49pm

Ben's passer rating is up to 29.5.

178
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:49pm

I think Palmer, like Brady and Manning, has some kind of consecutive-starts run going.

So all three put in a cameo at start, then get nailed down to the bench.

179
by Levente, Hungary (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:50pm

ZasZ,

I was wrong, Johnson is going for the rushing TD record :-)

180
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:56pm

RUSHER MCFUMBLES!!!!!

181
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:56pm

Remember the New England defense from the beginning of the season? The one that neglected to stop the run, gave up long passes galore, and couldn't get off the field on third down?

They're playing today. If Gus Frerotte were a genuine NFL starter, then this game would be much uglier. This is going to be a problem for the Patriots in the playoffs -- they're about one and a half injuries from seeing far too much of these guys.

182
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:56pm

Nice play by Haggans to break up what could have been a TD...

183
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:57pm

God forbid the Steelers defense make a stand here and try and put the Lions away. The longer this team hangs around the more nervous I get.

184
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:57pm

PIT defense isn't getting any better. And it would be worse if the receivers weren't dropping balls.

Does not bode well for next week.

185
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:58pm

Well, the Steelers 3rd down problems remain alive and well. Detroit has had little difficulty in converting today.

186
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:58pm

What is up with Steelers opponents and making backwards suicide rushes for positive yards?

187
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:59pm

Starshatterer,

The Pats are actually resting a lot of guys today. The defense concerned me until I saw they used Bam Childress as a defensive end. He was on the practice squad last week. As a receiver.

That must be about 8th or 9th string defense.

188
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 4:59pm

You go Matt Cassell, set up the run for the Jags to the AFC championship. Cin, Indy ......cakewalk.

The biggest jags homer EVER

189
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:00pm

Sigh.... Another Det TD...

190
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:00pm

What the hell is up with Harrington? His passes have been perfect.

191
by navin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:00pm

Joey Harrington throws a TD to Roy Williams, then runs up to celebrate, only to be ignored by his teammates.

Ouch.

192
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:02pm

Aaron, does the bit about good first and second downs and bad thirds predicting improvement next year, work on defense as well?

193
by Hank (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:03pm

They're chanting "one more year" in Green Bay. Oh, and there was a funny bit with a guy dressed up in pajama pants and a #4 jersey hitting golf balls during halftime. All this, and Seneca Wallace.

194
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:04pm

Whoa! Quincy Morgan pulled a Bad ARE on that return...

195
by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:04pm

I think Holmes also gets some slight benefit of the doubt boost for sitting on the bench for a couple years in Baltimore. He had 2102 yards on 459 carries in Baltimore for a respectable 4.6 y/a. Only one year was he the starter and that was only worth 233 carries. Then he saw limited work behind Errict Rhett and then Jamal Lewis after Billick took over the job. If he had started those other two years it seems likely he would have put up decent numbers and done away with a lot of questions about his HoF status. But Brian Billick came in, sat Holmes, and then eventually traded him away. How do you decide when a good player is being "punished" by a coach's (arguably) bad decisions? And how do you take that into account when determining things like HoF?

196
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:06pm

As good as the Fox announcers are, they've repeatedly messed up names...

197
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:06pm

192: If it does, the Steelers are going to be SCARY next year.

198
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:09pm

Nice pass to Miller!

199
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:09pm

Welcome back, Ben Roethlisberger. We missed you.

200
by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:09pm

They switched to NO-TB here in Dallas as well. Now if only CBS would switch to PIT-DET.

201
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:10pm

And with a 2-yard run on 1st-and-9, Bettis registers his first unsuccessful running play of the day.

202
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:10pm

Willie Parker has 88 yards on 16 carries for an average of 5.5, but they are mostly four-five yards runs. Not much of this losses and long gains we usually see.

203
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:10pm

Ben runs for the TD!

204
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:12pm

#190 - this is a trick by Harrington to convince Millen he can keep him for next year.

Ben scores a TD... no one made him pay...

205
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:12pm

The CBS affiliate in Pittsburgh is showing snowboarding. What the hell?

206
by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:13pm

Welcome to the game Steelers offense.

Care to bring the defense along for the 4th quarter?

In all seriousness though.......I'm really hoping we play Cincy on Sunday.

Also, i'm thinking #43's got a TD in him today.........

207
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:13pm

on second thought maybe that late tag (didn't look like much) did do something.

208
by Matt Weiner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:14pm

201--He had a 2-yard gain on 1st-and-goal from the 5 just before his first TD--still 4 out of 6 ain't bad, at least I don't think.

209
by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:15pm

Ben's passer rating is 54.2.

210
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:15pm

So close, Foote...

211
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:16pm

Wow, they just switched to the MIA/NE game here in St. Louis, and it was just in time to show Matt Cassell giving up a safety.

212
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:16pm

Looking at the replay of the Roethlisberger TD, he had Ward open in front of him. He probably should have thrown to him to avoid risking injury.

213
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:16pm

Vash--

Check Fox. IIRC, it's the road team that determines which network has the game.

214
by admin :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:16pm

Rusher McFumbles just fumbled the ball out of the end zone for a safety. Yes, yes, we want Jacksonville, bring us Jacksonville. Yes, the third down thing also works on defense, although interestingly Carolina's defense was an exception -- much worse on third downs both last year and this year. Oh, and DET is at PIT, so it is also a FOX game.

Aarrgh, they just showed that Jacksonville is 1-1 in the playoffs against the Pats historically -- as if games in 1996 and 1998 had any bearing, whatsoever, on games that may happen next week.

215
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:17pm

Fins 18-13... did Miami get a safety?

216
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:19pm

Am I the only Pats fan hoping the Pats get 4th seed?

They'd face the Jags instead of the Steelers/Chiefs (most probably, Steelers.) Assuming the next game is PIT @ CIN, a CIN win is far from guaranteed.

Then, I trust the Pats can beat the Broncos, though that wouldn't be easy either. Meanwhile PIT @ IND is most likely an IND loss, but if a few things go PIT's way, they can win it. Then it's PIT @ NE for the AFCCG.

The Pats match up much better against the Steelers than the Colts, and but the Steelers match up better against the Colts than the Pats do.

On the other hand, if the Pats get the #3 seed, they then face PIT right off. Assuming they win, they then have to face the Broncos, then the Colts. Not exactly an easy path to the Superbowl.

I admit there are a lot of ifs in that scenario, but I'd much rather have the 4th seed than the 3rd.

217
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:19pm

Roethlisberger now has two injured thumbs. How bizarre.

218
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:20pm

And a little Parker explosion...

219
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:20pm

#129 - for some reason I thought you were talking about Southeast Jerome...

220
by mactbone (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:20pm

Neil O'Donnel is a bad announcer. He has an awful voice and doesn't contribute anything meaningful. I can't even count how many times he's said that Arizona was bad this year because they couldn't run and if they could just run they would be doing great.

221
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:21pm

What happened to Ben? I'm not able to watch today's game (stupid FOX affiliate).

222
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:21pm

208: A 2-yard gain on 1st-and-5 is 40% of yards needed, which counts as a successful play.

223
by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:21pm

Vash: This week must be the week that Fox gets the doubleheader. So CBS affiliates (that aren't in a team's market) can choose to show a game either in the early or late timeslot. In Green Bay, they're waiting until the late game to show Titans vs Jaguars on CBS.

224
by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:22pm

That's weird. CBS here switched to MIA-NE instead. Though Pittsburgh just scored, so maybe CBS just has the gift of prophecy, and they knew the PITT-DET game was about to be over.

225
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:24pm

GO DOLPHINS

Here's to getting Cincinnati in the first round of the playoffs.

226
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:25pm

I wish we could switch games in the UK. Atlanta fixed the stamp and put this game in the mail when Vick was picked on the 1st possession of the 2nd half.

227
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:25pm

I haven't seen it mentioned, but if Alexander could get two more TDs today he would surpass Paul Horning's record of 176 points (which he did scoring as a RB and kicking).

228
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:27pm

Looks like the real Joey Harrington is back, too.

229
by mactbone (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:28pm

BTW, apparently the Colts haven't had a single defensive pass interference called against them this year. How crazy is that?

230
by mactbone (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:29pm

Neil Rackers, for the FG record...
IT'S GOOD!

231
by Matt Weiner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:29pm

222: Thanks Vash--I think I got mixed up with second-down success.

232
by Jeremy Billones (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:30pm

The Washington, DC affilitate just switched from CAR/ATL to TB/NO. Unfortunately, CAR/ATL is still blacked out on Sunday Ticket :p

233
by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:31pm

Ugh, I screw up the comment preview about once a week: I hit "Say It" and walk away from my computer, forgetting that you have to do it twice. Of course by the time I get back to my computer, people have already posted about twenty explanations on why CBS can't show PIT-DET. Sigh.

234
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:31pm

And so is the real Willie Parker. About time we got back to the indecisive one.

235
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:32pm

232 - I hate it when they do that. They usually get it sorted out in about half an hour, (probably after getting complaints)...

236
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:32pm

Zasz--

You're right, New England is playing backups of backups -- Did Bam Childress just make a tackle on a Ricky Williams run?

Even so, backups of backups are one bad injury away from starting in the New England secondary, and they don't look good.

237
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:33pm

And now McQuarters gives Bettis a little fist-pound after the 12-yard run.
Everybody loves Bettis.

238
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:34pm

Worst premeditated celebration ever... booker catches TD then tries to do a basketball lob pass to Chris Chambers for a slam over the crossbar... but he misses it, hitting the bar. And the ref gives them 15 yards on the kickoff.

239
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:35pm

C'mon, Cedrick. If you have hold a one-handed guy, that's pretty sad...

240
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:36pm

Another pick for Ben...

241
by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:36pm

Larry Johnson has 193 yards. The Bengals have 143. Only another ~120 yards for the rushing title, right? There're 9 minutes left....

242
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:38pm

So much for Kyle Boller suddenly getting it... this is the QB who ended Minnesota's playoff hopes? 9 of 24 with an INT?

243
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:39pm

#241 - if he gets close, Alexander's going to get up off the bench...

244
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:39pm

Randy Cross keeps getting Bill Bellicheck and Bill Cohwer confused. I don't know if it's funny or disturbing.

245
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:40pm

Saban was sending his second team defense in (against the patriots backup offense), but the starters talked him into letting them stay out there. Result:

first play - offsides defense
second play - pass down to the Miami 18 yard line...
third play - 8 yard run...

good thing those were starters...

246
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:40pm

#244- Well, they look so much alike...

247
by admin :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:43pm

There is no possible number of injuries that could result in Bam Childress, practice squad receiver, playing defensive back in the playoffs. Listening to Randy Cross pretend that the Patriots would rather play Pittsburgh than Jacksonville is PAINFUL.

And that's the proof ... Doug Flutie has been talking about drop-kicking an extra point since he showed up in the NFL a few years ago. They just let him do it. Would they have done that if they wanted to win this?

248
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:43pm

DROP KICK!!!!!

Points for FLUTIE!!!

249
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:44pm

Drop kick?! By Flutie?!

Something's weird.

250
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:46pm

Vinateri then kicks off out of bounds... he must be jealous.... Flutie just took points away from him...

251
by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:46pm

1-9-MIA9 (6:15) M.Cassel pass to T.Dwight for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 16-Cassel's 1st NFL TD pass.

NE 2-Flutie now at QB. D.Flutie extra point is GOOD, Center-L.Paxton.

252
by Noble (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:47pm

When was the last time a drop kick was attempted?

253
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:48pm

Aaron, is the impact of drop kicks properly reflected in the special teams DVOA?

254
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:50pm

Bettis with three more successful plays. That's now 10 rushes, 9 successes, three for touchdowns.
What a way to end your career.

255
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:54pm

If new england comes back to win, then no team that makes a drop kick will have ever lost a game in the last 50 years.... if they lose, then the opposite will be true. The fate of the drop kick is in their hands...

256
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:54pm

Why exactly did NE do the drop kick? What was the point of it?

257
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:55pm

Commentator: When was the last time you saw a Miami team go undefeated in December? ever? Its hasn't happened...

(roll eyes)...

258
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:56pm

Whoever's writing the play-by-play for MIA@NE is awesome.

(1:28) M.Cassel sacked at NE -5 for -6 yards (R.Howard). FUMBLES (R.Howard), ball out of bounds in End Zone, SAFETY. ball went through back of end zone 49th sack of year for Miami, tying team record (1983). 3rd safety of season for Miami, new team record.

(9:13) (Shotgun) G.Frerotte pass to M.Booker for 15 yards, TOUCHDOWN. PENALTY on MIA-M.Booker, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 15 yards, enforced between downs. MIA-11 Frerotte's 18th TD pass of season, new career high.

(6:15) M.Cassel pass to T.Dwight for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN. NE 16-Cassel's 1st NFL TD pass.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:56pm

#256 - Because they were having fun, and Flutie probably had been itching to do one all his career... and Bellichek is a football historian, and it probably amused the heck out of him.

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by Rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:59pm

Cassel just completed a 21 yard pass to a WR lined up at DE earlier in the game....?

Wow.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 5:59pm

Side note: Roethlisberger's season passer rating drops to 98.6.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:00pm

First made drop kick since 1941 (they just confirmed it)...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:02pm

New england holding penalty which stops the clock... but they didn't run off 10 seconds... thought that was by rule... penalty on offense...

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by Shylo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:03pm

BIG MAN TOUCHDOWN IN TAMPA BAY!

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:03pm

#261- Not bad for a mere "game manager".

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:05pm

sigh. apparently Bill Cowher just called a timeout in the New England/Miami game...

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:05pm

Ok, will someone tell the numbnutz that are announcing the MIA/NE game that Bill Cowher does not coach the [recanted] Patriots!!!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:06pm

Thank You Jerome Bettis. You've been a rock. Heres to seeing you play atleast 4 more victories.

It's looking like Cincy at 1:00 on Sunday.

I like. I like.

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:06pm

RE #266:

They have said Bill Cowher twice so far.

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by richconley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:06pm

two observations:

1. Bill Cowher apparantly coaches the NE patriots.

2. NFL Gameday can't handle the power of WR/TE/DB/DE/CB/SS Bam Childress.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:06pm

Why is CBS giving me the Tennessee-Jacksonville game? Is this the best game they've got?

Atleast the 4:00 game on Fox for me (Eagles-Redskins) has some playoff meaning.......

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:07pm

heh, Tim Dwight just ran into the goal post...

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:07pm

ARI goes up on IND with 13 seconds left. Play under review.

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by richconley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:08pm

re269

I've counted 6 times so far, not 2.

I love bellichek's face on the TD at the end. Hes like "damn it, we're trying to lose here"

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:09pm

Overturned. IND wins.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:10pm

I see it now, Peter King names Doug Flutie special teams player of the week...

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:11pm

Did anyone expect Miami to do as well as 9-7? To me, that's almost more surprising than the Bears season.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:11pm

272 for Post of the Year.

CONVERSION FAILS, MIAMI WINS, AND IT'S PITTSBURGH-CINCY NEXT SUNDAY!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:12pm

Looking at games in Jacksonville reminds me of Pirate games in Three Rivers Stadium with half of the upper deck covered by tarps.

What is it about Florida and pro sports teams? I mean......geez. Do people know they exist?

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by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:13pm

"Did anyone expect Miami to do as well as 9-7? To me, that’s almost more surprising than the Bears season. "

How about the Bucs going 11-5?

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by Peter King (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:14pm

How can I ignore a player who plays with such passion and heart? I can't. It's as simple as that. My special teams player for the week has to be Doug Flutie. I know he only played one down but what a down it was. A flawlessly executed drop kick for an incredible extra point that lifted the spirits of everyone in New England and those of us over 40 across the globe. Thanks for the memories Doug, I hope you never quit.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:15pm

Congratulations, Jerome Bettis. What a great career. Now just take us through four more games.

Hey Adam, think you could calculate Bus's DPAR for the game now?

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by navin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:16pm

San Fran comes out firing in the pseudo "Bush Bowl" with a false start, a sack, and then an 18 yard punt giving the Texans the ball at the SF 21.

Now does New Orleans take Leinart with the first pick?

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:17pm

Can anyone tell me how that beatdown by Carolina happened? I figured Carolina would actually be able to run but jeez 44 to 11?

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:19pm

#282

*Scratches head*

You talking to me? Or did you mean to type "aaron" instead of "adam?"

Me no function math formula hard.

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by Jeff F (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:21pm

re:274

Yeah, he did look like he didn't want to win it.

The Flutie dropkick was pretty neat, having never seen one happen in football before, and Cassel looked positively replacement level when he was out on the field today

Re:277 I don't know if I would have expected 9-7, but it isn't like the defense was ever bad, and the offense was somewhat functional this year, particularly when the RB tandem got going, so at that point, I don't think it was inconceivable that they'd win some games. Also, note their schedule strength, which was very, very weak.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:23pm

286 - "Very very weak" in retrospect. at the beginning of the eyar, no one thought that the Jets and Bills would collapse like that.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:24pm

285: Whoops. Yay for mixing up the Outsiders.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:28pm

Bears not using starters, but fake a punt on their first series from midfield...

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:28pm

So what happened on New Englands 2 point conversion attempt? Did they really try to score or did they just make an "attempt?"

Also.......Cincy's gotta be atleast a little fragile heading into this. Losing at home to Buffalo last week and then getting absolutely trounced by the Chefs today.........

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:30pm

280 - Aaron agonized so publically how Tampa Bay did worse than DVOA predicted that it made it less surprising they finally did well.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:38pm

I don't know why I thought the Eagles were going to make a game of this. They're going to get killed.

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by Paul (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:42pm

BRAVES ON THE WARPATH!

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:51pm

#284 - Atlanta played okay for most of the first half, although things started looking bad when they gave up a 70 yard TD run to Foster. Down 14-3 at the CAR 30 TJ Duckett continued his suck-fest: 3-1 he lost a yard, 4-2 he was stuffed...turn over on downs. Things started going downhill from there. A Falcons 3-and-out was followed immediately by a 42 yard Steve Smith TD. First play after the kickoff and Crumpler fumbled it away...Carolina FG. Down 27-3 at the half, the Falcons just seemed to give up.

Two early scores by the Panthers -- and some very long drives -- and the Falcons had no chance to use their running game. From Duckett's failed 4th down conversion 3 minutes into the second quarter, the Falcons didn't run the ball against for over 20 minutes...not until 7:25 left in the third quarter.

After that Duckett conversion the Falcons went 3-and-out, 1-and-out (fumble), 4-and-out (INT), 3-and-out (Vick sacked on 3rd down), 3-and-out (Vick sacked on 3rd down again)...and then Schaub and Weinke went it. Coming back from big deficits isn't a strength for the Falcons. It makes Vick throw a lot to receivers no one outside of Atlanta knows the names of.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:51pm

The analysts on CBS have turned on Michael Vick in a big way. I think the Vick-hype-era is over.

As an Eagles fan, something you don't want to see is McMahon rolling out on 3rd and 1. If you're not going to run it, just punt.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:54pm

It's official: Mike McMahon is the worst QB in the NFL. He is [redacted] dreadful.

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by Harry (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:55pm

So did Cassel play well enough that FO will finally retire that unfunny nickname? I'd take Cassel over Orton or Alex Smith any day.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 6:57pm

Okay, I take it all back. I'm naming my first-born son McMahon.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 7:00pm

McMahon comes from my high school.

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/01/2006 - 7:01pm

Well the road to detroit for Jacksonvile begins with the undefeated Tom Brady at home.

Well Del Rio, if we are going to pull of the Ravens like run to the superbowl thats as good a place as any.