Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Saturday Playoffs Discussion Thread

This thread is for in-game discussion of Saturday's two playoff games: Washington-Seattle and New England-Denver. (Nuf respek, yo.)

You can find discussion of the Sunday second round games here.

Comments

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by pawnking (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 1:08pm

First!

And just to start things off right, if the Pats win, it will be their first win against a top 5 DVOA team since week 3 (Pittsburgh) and only their 3rd win against a top 10 DVOA team all season (Pittsburgh in week 3, Jacksonville last week, who was 10th in DVOA).

They are 1-3 against top 5 teams.

The team they are facing is undefeated at home, which hasn't played a bad game since week 1.

I'm just saying, I know where my money is today.

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by Coach for a Day Template (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 1:23pm

I am the coach of the _choose team here_. On Saturday night I will _insert your gameplan here_. If I do this and my players execute, the _choose team here_ do not stand a chance.

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by Ima Pseudonym (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 1:32pm

O.k. here is my template entry:

I am the coach of the -Patriots-. On Saturday night I will -instruct my team to eat magic beans and defeat the Broncos-. If I do this and my players execute, the -Broncos- do not stand a chance.

Maybe there should be a restriction on the instructions precluding trivially win-ensuring game plans?

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by B (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 2:15pm

4th: (1/3 of a genuflect)

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 3:17pm

First off: my apologies if this is a multiple-post. I had some trouble submitting, and may have hit the button twice.

For all the complaints about the Pats soft 2nd-half schedule, didn't the Guts-vs-Stomps article from a few weeks ago indicate that dominance of weak teams is more indicative of postseason success than performance against strong teams?

I know it's correlation, and not causation, but I think the two most convincing explanations were:
1. In stomp wins, starters are more likely to be rested early and more take less cumulative abuse heading into the postseason (doubly so if they secure byes on account of their stomps).
2. Luck is a much bigger determinant in Gut wins, as a contest between evenly matched teams is often determined by just a few key plays that could have gone either way. Therefore, a Stomp win is a definite indicator of superiority, whereas a Gut indicates only that the two teams are close.

I'm still rooting for Denver, but maybe conventional wisdom is right about NE.

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by MarquisSmith (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 3:44pm

I have to say, the DVOA analysis of the Redskins-Seahawks is unusually superficial. First, on the defensive side, the Redskins have been playing with significant injuries all year, though as this week, they haven't all come at once. This week, they lose Wynn but gain Springs. They haven't had many games with their whole DL--Salavea and Griffin (the key to their defense) have been in and out, but they're in now. Likewise with the secondary, not many games with Rogers and Springs together. And Arrington has been in and out. The main point here is that their DVOA reflects injury situations with which they have played all year.
Second, though the Redskins had great success on third down in the first game, that might reflect on the Seahawks pass defense (25th in DVOA). How's Brunnell? Don't know, but it's now three weeks since the injury--presumably these things improve over time.
Third, does anyone care that the Redskins have beaten the Seahawks four times in the last five years? Seems to me that indicates something, since a lot of the personnel is the same, though both teams are improved this year. Still, if you look back at Seahawks' DVOA variance over the years, they are very consistent, and they have consistently lost to the Skins.
Finally, everyone throws around that 80% of wildcards lose in the divisional. What's the record when the wildcard beat the division winner earlier in the year?

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by Björn (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 4:29pm

#6, what about the 3rd down percentage stat?

I am the coach of the Broncos. On Saturday night I will bring my team to the stadium. If I do this and my players execute, the Patriots do not stand a chance.

I am the coach of the Patriots. On Saturday night I will teach Tom Brady to use jedi mind tricks. If I do this and my players execute, the Patriots still do not stand a chance.

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by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Fri, 01/13/2006 - 4:39pm

The team they are facing is undefeated at home, which hasn’t played a bad game since week 1.

Beating Baltimore 12-10 at home isn't that great, and against both Dallas and Buffalo they looked shaky. They're no juggernaut (nor are the Patriots).

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 11:28am

Damnit -- I hate 8pm playoff games. Today is just going to draaaaaaaag on (at least the NFC game will help make the clock move a bit).

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by Björn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 12:58pm

Here is a thought to keep in mind for the Washington Redskins. Not only are they banged up, they are going to be playing their third straight road game. Not only that, but now they have to fly all the way to the west coast to play Seattle. Tall order, chaps.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 1:39pm

I predicted a Panthers victory last week combined with Eli Manning self-destructing. This week I'm predicting that the only upset that is likely to happen is Washington beating Seattle as Brunell, Moss, and Cooley cook the Seattle secondary. I'm not saying this will happen, I'm saying its more likely than any other upset happening.

I thik PatsFan asked last time, so the winning lottery numbers will be 25, 16, 29,34, 11 + 12i. :)

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 1:45pm

Genuflect.

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by Björn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 1:51pm

#9 is an example of the East Coast bias! Us westerners have the right to a Primetime game as well! Just because you want your games to start at 7pm local time doesn't mean I want my game to start at 5 pm! (Or 4pm for those hippies on the west coast.)

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by Rex (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 2:04pm

On NFL Primetime, they said that the mild temp. will result in teams having a harder time breathing, because of the altitude.

Is this true? There is a invesers relationship between temp and amount of Oxygen in the air?

Or are these guys pulling it straight from their butt.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 3:38pm

Rex:

Higher temperatures in a near-constant pressure environment will generally result in lower air density, but the effect is not noticeable when dealing with the normal range of air temperatures.

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 3:42pm

I am the coach of the New York Giants. On Saturday night I will tell my players that I'm locking the doors for three hours, and anyone who can't walk out afterwards will be cut. If I do this and my players execute, the furniture of the sports bar does not stand a chance.

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by JimK (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 4:54pm

PatsFan, you reckon the day is dragging there.. it's already 7.45 pm here in the UK and the Broncos-Pats game won't kick off until 1 am! Greetings to you, James in London. Any good tips for staying awake at 3am while listening to radio commentary?!

Two home wins tonight: Seahawks 26-10 and Broncos 30-14.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:24pm

I'm vaguely amused by the notion that someone in the UK is rooting for the New England Patriots. Heh.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:34pm

Nice Hair Jimmy Johnson!

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:39pm

Hello JimK! A fellow insomniac. Excellent. If you've only got radio commentary and not the Sky Sports TV coverage, can I suggest whichever version of Madden I'm assuming you own?

Also, I'm wishing for a real contest in the first game. A blowout that's over by midnight (UK time) in Seattle makes it more difficult to stay around for the later game.

But the easiest way to stay awake, alert, and on the ball is obviously to follow this thread on FO as you listen. There's a good chance you'll get more insight here than you will from the commentary.

BTW, which TV crews are calling the games?

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by UK-Phil (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:42pm

I'm a UK Pats fan, for the last 20 years (and watching last years Colts game as warmup), and I forgive you lot your previous indiscretions.
The Pats are the closest team (almost local) and they do have England in their name so it's a natural choice!
Although this post is not a multiple of 12, I feel I have to genuflect as I, alone amongst all FO posters I'm sure, have been in an elevator with Tommie B, last year in Phoenix, when he was dressed only in his swimmers and somewhat moist!
I think that must almost make me an apostle :)

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by JimK (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:45pm

Kal, I'm a Packers fan!
First game I saw when I was a kid, sometime in the 80s was Bears - Packers in cold cold weather. Packers lost but they played hard and I thought, this is my team!
I'll be cheering for Denver throughout the playoffs (I like mountains!)
James, thanks for the advice. yeah, I'll follow the threads here tonight. Damn, wish I had sky sports.. next year maybe!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:49pm

Could you imagine the outrage from Womens groups if Fox was holding an NFL's Sexiest Cheerleader competition all season?

Personally i'm tired of the way Fox is objectifying these men. I will not stand for it and I will not sleep until those devilish souls at FOX stop using these men just trying to make a living as objects of Sex and all that is immoral and wrong on the world! WE MUST RISE UP AND STOP THIS ABUSE THAT IS THROWN DOWN UPON US EVERY SUNDAY! I'M MAD AS HELL! AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!

/Martha Burke

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 5:52pm

Mwahaha, I hijacked this multiple of 12!

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by Björn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:01pm

#22 has the best ever reason to pull for a team. That made my day.

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by ajn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:20pm

re:22

i like greek mythology. that's why i root for the titans.

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by JimK (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:31pm

Seriously, what was I thinking when I decided to support Green Bay? When I eventually visit the USA I'm going to have to go to... Wisconsin...! What was I thinking?! (That's why I also have a sneaky support for Denver... I can go hiking in the mountains and make a football pilgrimage at the same time!)

I find it interesting that the Mike Shanahan haters have been quiet this year. Last year there was a lot of discussion about Shanahan on the FO forums, about how bad he was. This year I haven't read many people (other than Aaron)giving Shanahan (and Denver in general) much credit. To get the #2 seed out of that division is an impressive accomplishment.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:32pm

re 20.. we have the FOX #2 crew.. is it really the Dick Stockton-Darryl Johnston Tony Siragusa crew? Are they really the 2nd best FOX announcing team?

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:34pm

RE: #21

If you're trying to imply Brady doesn't walk on water, I call it nothing less than disrespect!

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by Daniel Copenhagen (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:36pm

No disrespect intended to the Patriots but surely that no. 12 flag in Seattle must be about Tom Brady and not about the 12th man?! (genuflect)

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:37pm

Happy belated Trogday, everybody! (link)

I have nothing to add, except that I'm ready for some football, and I hope this first game doesn't disappoint. I kind of expect a Seattle blowout, though.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:38pm

Great throw. Also, how much time has Hasselbeck had on his first three passes?

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:39pm

Copenhagen, I think you genuflected a little late there...are you disrespecting (genuflect) TOm BRAdy?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:40pm

Did Shawn Taylor get a hand on that pass to Engram in the end zone? Or maybe a loogie?

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:40pm

Redskins carry some of that luck from the Tampa game on that fumble.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:40pm

HELL YEAH!

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:41pm

Trogdor, nice link. Oh, Shaun, this is not a good time to start droppong the ball. Perhaps the Seahawks should keep throwing.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:42pm

Except with the Redskins back that close to their end zone, Brunell doesn't have the room to do his usual twenty-step-drop.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:42pm

I'd rather be lucky than good!

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:43pm

Boy that's a strong MVP. Sigh.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:44pm

Brunell looks a lot slower, especially on the first rollout play. And doesn't Brunell know he can only throw to Chis Cooley or Santana Moss?

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:44pm

That is why Jacobs usually sits the bench.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:45pm

Terrible drop by Jacobs. That might explain why he's only caught 11 passes all year.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:48pm

Seahawks are not going to be able to run it today. I SMELL AN UPSET!

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by Peter (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:51pm

And that neon-green striping on the Hawks uniform is really annoying. Once you've seen it you can't stop.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:52pm

20-something consecutive days of rain! Are you kidding? I'm suprised the whole place hasn't rusted shut.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:52pm

Is there anything scarier than listening to and watching Tony Siragusa play with wet balls?

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by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:52pm

I liked how Goose felt the need to demonstrate dunking a football in a bucket of water. I'm sure none of us could have visualized that on our own.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:53pm

Nice stunt!

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:54pm

That would be 33 consecutive days of rain, and no, it's not a record.

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by Queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:54pm

Redskins are not going to be able to run it or pass it today. I SMELL A SHUTOUT!

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:54pm

I think the best Tony Siragusa moment so far had to be just before kickoff when he said even though its rained for 27 straight days, traction shouldn't be a problem. And then we see Shawn Alexander slip and fumble it away.

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by ajn (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:55pm

i was surprised siragusa didn't take a bite out of that football.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:55pm

Memo to Seattle:

If you keep fumbling you're probably going to lose.

If you want to win stop fumbling.

Message Ends.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:56pm

I still find it hard to believe that it's raining in Seattle.

I wonder why Seattle insists on fumbling in the red zone, and fielding a punt without fair catching when two guys are guaranteed to drill the returner and make him fumble. Then I remember that for sports purposes, Seattle is the Cleveland of the West, and it all makes sense. Don't be surprised when Hasselbeck throws a pick 6 on this possession.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:57pm

RE:51 I Hope you are here when this game is over so I can gloat

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:58pm

Boy, this game is ugly so far.

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:58pm

20-something consecutive days of rain! Are you kidding? I’m suprised the whole place hasn’t rusted shut.

...says the guy from London.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 6:58pm

Do the Redskins have 11 uninjured guys left to field on a given play?

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:01pm

There's a Taylor Jacobs sightning.

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:02pm

WHY are you FIELDING that??

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:02pm

Wow. A gunner's dream.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:03pm

Zip,

It rains in London, but not 27 straight days. Is Seattle where Noah retired when the Ark went aground?

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by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:03pm

Does Jimmy Williams think he's in Canada? Or the XFL? The fair catch is legal, Jimmy.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:03pm

Did Holmgren tell the punt returners to commit suicidde? Or did they just forget the signal for fair catch?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:04pm

Dear Seattle Punt Returner,

There's this thing called a 'Fair Catch'. It allows you to catch the ball, and the defense isn't allowed to hit you. All you have to do is wave your hand over your head a few seconds before the ball gets to you. You might want to look into it.

Sincerely,
Trogdor the Burninator

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by JBC (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:05pm

I'm looking forward to the 6th-seed Superbowl.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:05pm

Got solar plexused by the football, maybe?

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by ammek (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:06pm

Mike Holmgren famously scripts his offense's first 15 plays. Presumably he does so while listening to his "Best of George HW Bush's state-of-the-union addresses", which is why Seattle is predictable, and conservative in a way that Phil Gramm could only dream of.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:06pm

YES! wait... Is it okay to wish a player gets hurt in here?

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:07pm

Well at least there wasn't a punt returner doing something stupid there.

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by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:08pm

#55

If Alexander doesn't return, that's more like Seattle is the Cincy of the West.

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by lagfish (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:08pm

No.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:08pm

RE 69, yes a 37-yard pass on 3rd and short is super conservative alright...

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by ammek (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:08pm

We may get to see 500 total punting yards before half time in this one

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:09pm

Yeah but it's not like the Redskins offense is like the Steelers, and with that... the Redskins go backwards.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:11pm

Do the Seahawks have any other punt returners?

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:11pm

In their last 11 drives (halftime of the Bucs game), the Redskins have 42 net yards, 3 first downs, and 9 3-and-outs.

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by Jon (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:13pm

That last pass by Hasselbeck was Eli-riffic.

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by Comrade Jason (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:13pm

When Alexander got hurt, did the announcer really say "That would be significant"? Keen insight, that.

Also, what the heck was that pass, Hasselbach? That was almost a Farve-ian pass ...

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:14pm

I don't think it's ever OK to root for a player to get hurt ever. When it happens, I usually go through a few stages. 1) Oooh, I hope he's OK. 2) I hope this doesn't affect his career too much. 3) Accept he's out of the game, now how does this affect things?

I think as long as the cheering an injury is a phase 3 type, as in "OK he's hurt, nothing I can do about it, so I'll just be happy that my team's chances improved" and not "I really hope [player] gets hurt today", you're OK. Beyond that is pretty shady.

By the way, Seattle's punt returner is a dork.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:16pm

Coming soon to a cinema near you:

Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks in a story of Love, Football, fumbles, tackles and punts (but no fair catches).

Slugfest in Seattle.

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by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:16pm

Tom Rouen is on pace for 16 punts inside the 20 today. That's gotta be a record.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:16pm

Anyone else think just maybe the Hawks watched the game tape of the Tampa D from last week? It's hard to see on TV, but I can only imagine that Moss hasn't seen single coverage yet.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:16pm

355 combined gross punting yards so far...

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:17pm

Apparently the rest of the Redskins WRs are so bad they don't even bother lining anyone up opposite Moss.

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by chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:18pm

prediction two good defenses if hasselback stays in check loss of alexander wont matter in this game

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:18pm

That guy in that NFL Network commercial that is commenting on Drew Rosenhaus knowing how to manage his clients looks alarmingly like Ben Affflacck.

And to top it all off he's showing the proper respect to Thomas Brady.

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by ammek (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:19pm

Bring on the AFC.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

Re: 72

Since I've been watching sports, Cincy has been to the Super Bowl twice, and won a World Series. Seattle could only dream of success like that, or of cursed cities like Boston (and by cursed, I mean full of stupid, spoiled, arrogant, loud, whiny, bitchy fans).

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

AND IT'S A FUMBLE!

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

The Redskins should start punting on 1st down. I'm only half-kidding.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

haHA! Seattle just needs to let the Redskins down it from now on.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

Okay, Jimmy Williams, sit down. This is not your day.

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by Opiegrey (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:20pm

So...Holmgren took the Skins and the points eh?

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

Worst punt returner ever. After he muffed it, he tried to pick it up instead of falling on it.

No way Holmgren lets him field anymore... please?

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by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

In case anyone's wondering, the record for most punts by both teams in a playoff game is 23 by the Giants and the Bears in 1933. The Redskins and Seahawks have nine, and we're only a minute into the second quarter.

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by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

So, is Holmgren going to replace that punt returner guy any time soon?

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by Jon (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

Why are the announcers giving any credit to Washington for their great special teams play on that fumble? The punt returner simply dropped it.

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by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

UNbelievable how inept the Redskin offense is... Seattle's really playing bad though.

(apologies for the unintelligent remarks)

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:21pm

Sad thing is, even if Holmgren took Washington and the points, he still might lose his money.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:22pm

"Mark Brunell used to be a running quarterback, now he is a quarterback who runs"...

sounds suspicisously like the same thing to me

And "You just cannot plan to lose your starting running back and MVP to injury"...

I am guess Mike Holgren has all kinds of plans for just this eventuality.

ANd that was game changing play right there.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:22pm

At what point does Seattle go with a random WR to return punts, with orders to fair catch under threat of torture? And I don't mean wussy Democrat-defined torture, I mean cat o' nine tails type beatings. Just catch the dang ball!

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:23pm

And Washington have a 1st down.
Sound the trumpets.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:23pm

FIRST DOWN!

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by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:24pm

Joe Gibbs is a genius. He's at least half a Belichek (no disrespect intended)

3-5, inevitable incompletion coming

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:24pm

Another first down. Whats next? A TOUCHDOWN?!?

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by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:26pm

I miss the old Seattle unis.

If Wash gets a TD here, Gibbs might start trying to run clock in the 2nd quarter.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:27pm

I am not sure I am understanding what is on the screen. Is this... a DRIVE? Is Washington DRIVING?

Naaaaaah.

Who are the Seattle injuries? I saw Jackson left with a back problem.

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by Queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:28pm

Nacho, feel free to gloat now!

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by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:29pm

109

Shaun Alexander went out with a concussion and is questionable to return. A defender (Hill?) left with what looked like a leg injury.

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by Ferg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:29pm

Who are the Seattle injuries? I saw Jackson left with a back problem.

I think some dude named Alexander left with a concussion earlier.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:29pm

9.5 points my ass! We're gonna win this thing!

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:30pm

Nacho, feel free to gloat now!

He's trying to make you jinx it. Don't bite!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:30pm

That stadium looks like one freakin' massive building.........

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:30pm

This is no threat to catch the 1950 OSU/Michigan puntfest, though. That one featured 45 punts, and just 68 yards of total offense and three first downs (all by OSU, who still managed to lose). Blizzard football - it's FANtastic!

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by Moon Hippo (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:30pm

how much has jimmy williams have bet on the redskins to win thiw game??!

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:32pm

Shopping with your girlfriend during the playoffs?! Damn that's a STUNT!

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by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:33pm

If he could catch, he'd be a WR.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:33pm

#120. A multiple of 12.

*Genuflect*

When Tedy Brushci does pushups it's not him pushing himself up, it's him pushing down the rest of the world.......

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:33pm

If Rodgers had hands he's be a reciever.

122
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:34pm

Silly Hasselbeck. Don't you know Engram can only catch it on 3rd down for a 1st down conversion?

123
by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:34pm

THAT would have changed the game.

Did Holmgren borrow this game plan from Mike Martz or Andy Reid? I know Alexander is out, but at least TRY to run the ball.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:35pm

Helluva spot on that 3rd down.

125
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:36pm

I would like to thank the announcers for informing us that all the Seattle fumbles have been key to this game. I never could've figured this out on my own. Fumble = bad. Got it.

126
by Opiegrey (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:37pm

Hasselbeck is reminding me, most disconcertingly, of Kyle Boller (non-NFC-North opponent) at the moment.

127
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:37pm

Hasselbeck has some serious happy feet. He was scrambling there with absolutely no threat of a pass rush. Trust your O-line, Matt. Just because Alexander's out doesn't mean they forgot how to block entirely.

128
by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:38pm

why is hasselbeck running around holding the ball over his head?

129
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:38pm

Seattle now has more first downs on this drive than Washington has total.

130
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:38pm

Hasselbeck might scramble for more yards than Brunell today, that'd be a shock.

131
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:39pm

I think Seattle is pumping in crowd noise. There's no way a crowd could possibly be that loud during something as minor as a pro football game. And what are all those microphones around the field for, if not to amplify the crowd noise?

132
by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:39pm

127: He's only running because he knows any attempt to throw the ball would be futile. This is the Seattle WR corp we're talking about.

133
by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:40pm

Three first downs on this drive by a total of about one foot.

Spot on the DJ catch might have changed this game.

134
by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:41pm

Holy crap what a catch!

135
by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:41pm

About time.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:41pm

Great insight from Siragusa. As if nobody ever got a yard in short yardage before. Sure they knew where the play was going. You often do in those situations. Try to stop it, though.

137
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:41pm

Say, that Darrel Jackson fella. He's not so bad. Morris is doing just enough to keep the defense honest.

138
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:42pm

TD!

Terrific Drive by Seattle. Funny how it involved running the ball occassionaly...

139
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:42pm

Darrell Jackson showing this isn't the 2004-2005 Seahawks receiving core.

140
by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:42pm

What's that thing that just happened called? A down-touch? A touching down? I'm unclear.

141
by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:42pm

I'd like to amend my previous statement: "Any atttempt to throw would be futile, unless said throw is off-target and lead to a ridiculous circus catch."

142
by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:44pm

Great, great catch.

Has FO or anyone else done a study on the frequency penalties are called in playoff games? I ask this because there's only been 1 flag so far today (a false start) and it sure looked to me like the Seattle right guard held on the TD.

143
by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:44pm

How big is that missed int by Rogers now?

144
by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:45pm

No one Said we'd shut seattle out. Stay calm.

145
by lagfish (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:45pm

Wait a minute, when did Seattle leave the afc?

146
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:46pm

One significant difference between Tampa and Seattle?
Seattle trusts their O line enough to do the predictable thing and run on 3rd and 1, even with their backup RB.

147
by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:46pm

I'm not sure about the rest of that commercial, but I really like the D-CAF *stomp stomp* D-CAF part.

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by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:46pm

142: There's an article on that in the Best of FO: Part I section of the archives, if I'm not mistaken.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:46pm

142: You know, FO did that study once. It started cause TMQ claimed there are less penalties in plyoffs because the teams are more disciplined. Aaron compared the number of penalties per game for the playoff teams in the regular season vs the playoffs, and there were less penalties in the playoffs, although it varies by officiating crew.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:47pm

Ooh, new show on Sky, "Behind the NFL", showing what goes on when the players are off the field.

I'm expecting drugs, murder, wife-beating, other felonies and a healthy dose of toys being thrown spectacularly out of prams.

151
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:48pm

I'm guessing it's like MLB Umpire strike percentages, it has to vary by what crew or person it is in charge. Kinda like in college football on how many reviews have been done, the numbers are out for every conference and their rates are varied.

152
by lagfish (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:49pm

Parambulator, one of my favorite words.

153
by TH (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:49pm

Re: 150

They could cover all the stuff you mentioned, and the only player they would need is Michael Pittman.

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:49pm

150, James.. if you're expecting that, just go get the DVD of the only season of 'Playmakers'.

155
by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:49pm

RE:150 What's a Pram?

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by Shylo (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:50pm

145: When the NFL went from 6 divisions of 5.16(repeating) teams apiece to 8 divisions of 4 teams apiece.

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by Comrade Jason (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:50pm

#140--I'm watching the game in China right now (although I think it's a Phillipine TV station) and during the commercials of NFL games they actually have little "how to play football" shows, and one of them is about the "touchdown." :) My favorite part is how they explain that, unlike in rugby when the ball has to be put over the line (apparently?), in the NFL it only has to "break the plane." Stupid rule ...

158
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:51pm

FAIR CATCH!!!!!!

159
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:52pm

Gee, announcers, I certainly saw Farris put his arm out and connect with Tatupu, and Tatupu seemed to move backward, so I guess that's what they mean by a "push."

160
by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:54pm

Okay, who switched the Redskins/Hawks game with the Panthers/Bears game? I mean, okay, Delhomme just threw a great pass to Steve Smith, and Jones isn't looking so great. And boy, Grossman just looks pathetic - like a washed-up 10 year veteran with bad knees.

I expect the Bears linebackers to step up here. Seriously, it's sad.

161
by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:54pm

Whew, a three & out. Finally, some normalcy.

162
by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:55pm

Travis, I wrote a piece two years ago showing that penalties always go down significantly in the playoffs.

Trogdor, I agree, they must be pumping in crowd noise. This game isn't even on the East Coast, so the fans aren't really into it. I used to be one of those ignorant fools who thought a weekend of games in Seattle, Denver, Indianapolis and Chicago could include some excited fans really getting behind their teams, but fortunately Peter King informed me that unless you live on the East Coast, you really don't understand what a big sporting event is like.

163
by zip (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:56pm

If you're gonna throw with 18 seconds left, why throw it 2 yards?

164
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:57pm

Nacho, A pram is something you push young children around in.

"throwing your toys out of the pram" is a expression used to highlight a temper tantrum by and adult.

Example:

TO. "I want a new contract! What do you mean NO?

WAAH, I'm not playing for your team any more, your QB has smelly breath and IT'S NOT FAIR! WAAH"

This is the very definition of throwing your toys out of the pram.

165
by Queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:58pm

#155
A pram is what we in the UK call the contraption with four wheels and a canvas hood used for pushing babies around in. Its the thing that goes down the steps in the films Battleship Potemkin and The Untouchables. What do you call it?

166
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:59pm

James: When you mentioned NFL players and toys, I immediately thought of Fred Smoot.

167
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:59pm

RE 162, having lived on both coasts, the difference is not among fans who go to games, those are the same on both coasts. The difference is among the general populous. Field intensity is the same, casual fan interest is much less casual in Boston than in San Diego or Seattle, IMHO.

167
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 7:59pm

Wow, a reference to Battleship Potemkin.. now I've seen everything on these discussion threads.

169
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:00pm

We call it a baby carriage. Or just a carriage, I suppose, as you usually don't see many adults being pushed around in them.

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:00pm

Re: 148, 149, 162

Thanks, found it. MDS, did you do any further breakdown of the types of penalties called? I would guess that the number of holding and other judgment call penalties would be way down from the regular season, but false start, illegal motion, and the like totals would be fairly similar.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:00pm

Note to self: putting a link to an FO article in the 'website' field will cause the post to get lost in limbo. To find the playoff penalties article, put this after the normal web address:

/ramblings.php?p=146&cat=11

Or just search for it in the archives for yourself. I'm sick of being the FO loremaster for everyone anyway.

172
by The Wes (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:01pm

#165
We call it a "stroller", used for taking infants for a stroll.

173
by asg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:02pm

Well, I'll take 7-3 at the half. I was expecting much more from the Seattle offense.

174
by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:02pm

Re:165 In America we call it a Stroller

175
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:04pm

Jake Plummer looks like a roadie for whitesnake.

176
by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:04pm

Travis, I didn't have a complete database of every type of penalty called, but I think you're right about the types of penalty calls that decline in the playoffs. Speaking of which, was I the only one who noticed a pretty obvious hold on Seattle right tackle Sean Locklear on the touchdown?

177
by asg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:05pm

Well, sort of. The thing that went down the steps in the Untouchables is a baby carriage. A stroller usually has an open front and lets the baby sit facing the direction it's moving.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:05pm

176: MDS, I can assure you that approximately 300 fans on extremeskins.com noticed it too, and at least half of them posted about it. So don't feel alone.

179
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:06pm

That Jake Plummer Mountain Man look is high comedy.

Washington was so close to being up 10-0 with the almost pick. Gotta tip the cap to Jackson, as the execution on the TD was as good as it gets. One-on-one, you can't expect the defender to stop that.

180
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:06pm

172

I tend to think of strollers as being smaller and inclined, so the baby sits upright. For a pram/stroller, I think of it more like a souped-up shopping cart, and the baby lies flat. Check the linked picture.
...
So, how about that football game? Real exciting, huh?

181
by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:07pm

I seriously believe that Jimmy Williams was bribed. No one plays that stupidly on accident. Once was accidental, twice was purposeful, but three times is enemy action.

And see the failure of DVOA! It didn't predict that Alexander would be injured. Ha ha! (sigh)

182
by Sam B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:08pm

Don't want to be sniffy or anything, but the trucks that have been advertised during this game are obscene.

183
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:08pm

YES!!!!! It's the return of that horrible Rob Thomas song! If I'm lucky that song will be stuck in my head until the NBA playoffs start, and they break out a new annoying song to play 42 billion times in the tradition of "This Is How A Heart Breaks" and the even-worse "Let's Get It Started".

184
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:11pm

Back to football for a moment. If the 'Skins are going to win this, they might need to consider Patrick Ramsey.

Their Offense has been NFL Europe like: 36 Rushing yards, 38 yards passing; 74 Total offensive yards.

The can't win consecutive playoff games without an Offense. Not unless Williams keeps wearing his "free hit here" jersey on punts.

185
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:12pm

I'm so glad there was no football before the Super Bowl. It was amazing foresight on the part of whoever invented professional football in 1967 to have such a spectacular game at the end of the season. I mean, according to that "greatest football DVD ever" you can learn all there is to know about football history by just looking at SB highlights and interviews, so apparently there was nothing before it, right?

186
by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:12pm

How come Betts only has one carry so far? What with Portis banged up, I thought they would split the carries more.

186
by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:12pm

Re: 176

I noticed the holding too, and commented on it in my original post, but I wrote that it was on the right guard (I failed to see that Seattle had a tight end up top on the play).

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:13pm

Well James, they could also make a quick trade for "Cowboy" Kyle Orton. He's such a great leader and game manager, he can easily lead his team to victory without any hint of offense.

189
by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:14pm

How many punts is that?

190
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:14pm

The real question is whether the Redskins can defy the odds and win another game with five or less first downs. Any predictions?

191
by Jon (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:14pm

Why is Williams still returning punts?????

192
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:16pm

189
12 so far (7 by Washington, 5 by Seattle).

193
by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:17pm

Another name is baby buggy, leading to one of my favorite tongue-twisters as a kid, "rubber baby buggy bumpers."

194
by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:17pm

Another Seahawk injury. Cue the "Seattle is cursed" talk.

195
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:18pm

Walter Jones out. That is not good news if you're a Seahawks fan.

196
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:19pm

I saw an NFL Films story a while ago saying the New Orleans Saints were cursed.. something about the Superdome being built on a graveyard or something. That's the only curse I know.

197
by Michael David Smith :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:19pm

That illegal contact was the kind of thing they usually don't call in the playoffs.

198
by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:19pm

Hey! When did Seattle trade for Tommy Maddox?

199
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:19pm

Where did Aaron Brooks spring from?

200
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:20pm

Hasselbeck doing his best Aaron Brooks impression there. And no, that was not a great play unless the receiver was wiiiiide open. A good play would've been to chuck it out of bounds.

201
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:20pm

And the TMQ MVP curse continues.

202
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:23pm

Lot less interceptions than Brooks, and a lot more competent receivers. Just sayin'...

203
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:23pm

Was that really Joe Jurevicious? I could've sworn it was Jeff Samardzija of Notre Dame.

204
by Opiegrey (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:23pm

Wow, that was some serious touch on that pass to JJ. Hasselbeck is like Jeckyl and Hyde out there.

205
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:25pm

Hmmm, I guess he does run like Brooks, uhh, used to.

206
by Matlock, Attorney at Law (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:25pm

203: Really? I was certain it was Ricky Proehl...

207
by kleph (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:25pm

hey, tony. was that the washington pressure you were talking about?

208
by Dan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:26pm

To Daniel the Redskins fan:

Let the crow eating begin.

Game over.

209
by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:27pm

THE BURGER KING SCORES AGAIN!

210
by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:27pm

Hasselback=punk

That ball in the air thing is really annoying.Typical BC behavior.

211
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:28pm

I hate the Burger King. But that Steve Young run is one of my favorite plays ever, and even a doctored version of it is freaking sweet.

212
by MAW (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:31pm

The game I've seen and the comments are an interesting contrast, to me.

Due to work, I've only seen Seattle's first drive (the one that ended with Alexander's fumble) and the last drive, which ended with Hasselbeck's TD run. So, to me, they've looked unstoppable.

213
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:31pm

Two of those three Redskins first downs came on one short drive.

214
by kleph (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:32pm

every time i see that burger king ad i have to wonder what the league is going to fine that guy next week for not wearing the proper uniform.

215
by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:33pm

The Redskins offense is exciting to watch.

Of course, for above statement to be true your idea of "exciting" would have to be something along the lines of:

"Please put a fork in my eye."

216
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:34pm

re 215. aren't we lucky we're not being treated to a Redskins-Bears matchup?

217
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:34pm

And by "taken ill," the announcers mean "the offense makes him puke."

218
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:35pm

I dunno kleph, but it'll be more than he'd get for spitting in someone's face, that's for sure. Hey, that'd be a great clip for the next one...

219
by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:35pm

Okay. I'm starting to pick up on the Redskins plays:

First down: Dive play to Clinton Portis.
Second down: Off tackle to Clinton Portis.
Third Down: Incomplete pass to Chris Cooley.
Fourth down: Punt. Seattle Fumbles.

First Down: Dive play to Clinton Portis.....

220
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:35pm

"Taylor Jacobs has been taken ill"

Did they show him his 1st half performance at halftime?

221
by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:35pm

How did this team score 30+ against Dallas?

222
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:36pm

They're actually starting to do something on offense.

223
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:37pm

Hey, wasn't that an illegal formation by Washington?

And as I type it out they actually call it.

224
by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:37pm

I think the Redskins offense was lifted straight from Tecmo Super Bowl.

225
by TomC (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:38pm

Trog -- If I had better photoshop skills and an infinite amount of free time, I would so put together the clip of the Burger King looging in Michael Pittman's face. Just thinking about it makes me laugh out loud.

And the pram subthread has now resulted in a Potemkin reference and a ZOOM reference. Sweet.

226
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:39pm

#203 I thought that was Wayne Cherbet or maybe Tom Waddle.

227
by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:40pm

#223 - I'll bet that formation was legal in the 80s...

228
by Jon M (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:40pm

I'd just like to congratulate the Intra-Beltway Proto-Americans on their historic crossing of midfield, and to remind them that the next WR taken after they picked Taylor Jacobs was...Anquan Boldin.

229
by Dan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:40pm

re: 216,

No, because that would have been the easiest (under) bet of the season.

230
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:40pm

No, Tecmo Super Bowl had way too many plays. This is an original Tecmo Bowl offense if there ever was one.

231
by seafan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:40pm

so are people finally going to recognize that shaun alexander is nothing more than a meatball shaped david letterman with an outstanding line?

232
by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:41pm

One of the best things of Tecmo Super Bowl has to be those elaborate Touchdown celebrations..

233
by Jon M (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:41pm

Re: 226
Hey, Tom Waddle was a true throwback player who always hustled and always played for the love of the game.

234
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:42pm

Brave call by Gibbs.

235
by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:42pm

I hate those "15-1" when rushing more than passing. So what's their record when they ignore down, distance and game situation and run every down anyway?

4th down... big conversion by Wash.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:42pm

Normally I would think going for it on 4th was the right move. But in this game, I think they should've punted, and recovered the fumble inside the 5.

237
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:43pm

RE 231 yep, 34 yards for Morris is conclusive alright. Alexander is just a chump. Right?

238
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:43pm

Um... shouldn't that be intentional grounding, since there was no receiver around and he was in the pocket?

239
by Dan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:44pm

re: 231

If Seattle keeps the running the ball and picking up first downs with Morris and Strong, than people (fans and media) will finally start to acknowledge how dominant the line is.

240
by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:44pm

Sooner or later one of these Brunell 'sling it where I can and see what hapens' throws has to be picked off.

241
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:44pm

I really need to type and hit the other button faster, so my comments get in before the call is made.

242
by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:45pm

I'm convinced this year was a fluke for Brunell. He drops back way too much - especially when pressured. He just hangs on to the ball too long and moves in the wrong direction at the wrong time too often.

243
by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:45pm

Tony Siragusa is like the low man on the totem pole news anchor that news stations send into Category 5 Hurricanes. Just listen to him.

"HEY GUYS, THE NOISE IS REALLY COMING ON DOWN HERE, AND HEY I'LL TAKE A TURKEY!"

244
by Tyler (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:46pm

Wow, this game is ugly to watch...
After watching last weeks game, and now approx 3 quarters of this weeks game, I only have one question....is Patrick Ramsey really any worse than Brunell? Can he be? Isn't it worth a shot to put him in there and see if he can provide some sort of spark that the 73 year old Brunell can't?

245
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:47pm

How many coaches decide to go for it on 4th and 13? How many of them are right not to?

246
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:48pm

If Brunell's turnover total is less than 4, he is better than Ramsey.

247
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:48pm

Re: 233 He also ran good routes and he had great fundamentals.

248
by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:48pm

Are the "K"-balls kept in a dry location? If so, I would have attempted the 50-yard field goal there.

249
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:48pm

I think another good BK commercial would be Randy Moss scoring the TD at Lambeau and wiping his butt on the goalpost. That would be a great ad to put between pages of MMQB, I think.

250
by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:48pm

Wait, my computer isn't in the same room as the television, so I missed that last play. Did they really go for it on 4th and 13 in the middle of the third quarter? Um, I know your offense sucks, and you might never get this close to the end zone again, but you still don't need to give Seattle the extra help. Pooch punt it--maybe Seattle will fumble it in the end zone.

251
by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:49pm

Going for it on 4th and 13 against the Seattle defense. Very wise move.

And now Jackson burns 'em again.

252
by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:50pm

Shawn Springs out with a cramp. Now Sean Taylor is down.

Also, I like Denver to win tonight, in a close one.

253
by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:50pm

I think Taylor speared with his helmet. That's why they put those warnings in helmets..

254
by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:50pm

The Redskins only hope now is that the Seahawks do something stupid.

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by Will (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:51pm

I'm glad Alexander won the MVP. He's clearly been missed.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:51pm

I don't know that I agree with the call, but how can the line plus one not be able to block three guys? That's just horrible. At least give him time to throw an interception downfield.

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:51pm

I will rarely say this about a player, but serves Taylor right to get shaken up. Maybe he'll hesitate next time before he tries to spear a player.

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by Jon (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:51pm

Personally, I'd love to see a BK commercial where a drunken King tries to kiss Suzy Kolber. This commercial would work equally well with the Pepsi Machine.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:52pm

All I can say is that it's clear that Hasselbeck was coached by the same guy that made Brett Favre famous. At times he looks like the most brilliant player ever, and then you get those ' pick up my own fumble and throw it twenty yards off the wrong side and the back foot into double coverage'.

I think that Holmgren replaced Jimmy Williams with his mirror universe twin.

I also think that John Elway is hiding in Jake Plummer's neckbeard.

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by Shelley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:52pm

Re: 244

Heck, why not bring in Jason Campbell if Gibbs is really that down on Ramsey.

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by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:54pm

Cory Raymer must have ran over Siragusa's dog or something because he won't let on him and that last sack was not Raymer's fault.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:54pm

Wow is SEA defense this good or WAS offense this bad, I just cannot tell.

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by kleph (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:54pm

whoa. that is some of the worst cheerleader professionalism i have seen all year. the football gods shall not be pleased.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:54pm

Kal:

You're referring to Mike Sherman. Mike Sherman was an assistant of Mike Holmgren in Green Bay.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:55pm

Third and 1, complete pass, and they don't get it. That play looked like a Butch Davis special.

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by Zach (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 8:56pm

#265, that was the perfect time for the Madden Comment Generator: "I don't understand how you can run a route on third down which doesn't pick up the first"

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by Basilicus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:01pm

I was worried the Redskins might be waking up, but then the WR screen for -1 yard reassured me.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:01pm

Actually, I take that back. It was completely different from a Davis play. They used play action, and actually had at least one receiver run downfield. No, a true Davis play would've been shotgun, five wideouts (all 2nd-round picks who aren't all that good), and they all would've run six-inch hitches or nine-inch curls. Someone might've even gotten cute and run a two-foot comeback. Oh, and the line would've blocked like it was a screen, guaranteeing a sack. Even though they still sucked this year, I enjoy the Crennel era so much more.

And Crennel gives me the same double-letter problem as Cincinnati. I just had to look it up to make sure.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:02pm

HUHZAH!%!

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:03pm

Huge slice of luck for the 'Skins. Keeps the game interesting though.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:03pm

That Cooley reminds me of a Mike Alstott or a Tom Rathman. Maybe even a slightly larger Steve Largent or Brian Brennan.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:03pm

The luck of the Seahawks strikes again. Shades of Testaverde's helmet.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:03pm

If it wasn't that they still needed another TD, I'd say they scored too soon.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:04pm

Now we see, Santana Moss doesn't keep getting open. He just has magic abilities to make the defenders who are double-covering him deflect the ball right to him.

Which makes me think, Vader would've been one heck of a football player.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:05pm

If there was any wonder whether God hates Seattle, there ya go.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:05pm

Redskins ball.

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by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:05pm

WOW!!!!!!!!

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by JBC (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:05pm

Wow... a Seahawk meltdown has begun in earnest.

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:05pm

With the fumble, will they still cut to commercial?

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by Jon M (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:06pm

So the over/under for a Redskins vs. Bears NFC championship game would be...

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:06pm

And ya know, that was in reference to the Santana Moss catch, not the turnover.

God doesn't just hate Seattle - he actively is angry at Seattle. Seattle was built on an indian burial mound or something.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:06pm

I think I was right in #254.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:07pm

Sweet merciful crap, I swear I'm watching a really talented Browns team here. This is freaky. There's no freaking way the Skins should be in this game. Seahawks, could you possibly do more to try to lose this one?

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by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:08pm

Really enforcing that illegal contact today.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:08pm

What a crap call against Dyson. As if the Hawks need another impediment to their success.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:09pm

Rest easy, Redskins fans. Taylor Jacobs is back on the field

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:11pm

We're still in this thing. stay calm, stay calm.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:13pm

Who is "we" kemo sabe? Nice work, Hall.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:14pm

FG missed. Evens out the Santana Moss TD catch.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:14pm

I hate to see a guy ease oup on an obvious slobberknocker like that. Why hell are you playing defense if you don't dream about lighting somebody up?

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:14pm

So, he goes for it on 4th and 13 but not 4th and 4?

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:15pm

"We" are skins Fans

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by Matu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:15pm

How often do teams get a +3 turnover margin and lose?

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by Travis (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:16pm

John Hall has to be one of the worst postseason kickers of all time.

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by Walt Pohl (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:16pm

During Seahawk games, my wife becomes increasingly superstitious. For reasons too complicated to explain in this little comment box, she took that missed FG as conclusive proof of polytheism.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:16pm

"You" are skins fans. "We" are conference champions.

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by Dan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:17pm

It's only "hard to believe that the Seahawks have done what they've done on offense with Shaun Alexander" if you're an idiot that doesn't know anything about their offensive line, QB, WRs, other RBs and TE. Which is fucking pathetic if you're paid to be a commentator on the live broadcast by FOX.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:17pm

When did Mack Strong turn into Jerome Bettis?

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by Ryguy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:17pm

Wow I think Mack Strong was shocked he found such a big hole.

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by Nacho (not verified) :: Sat, 01/14/2006 - 9:18pm

Damn... Damn... Damn...