Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Sunday Wild Card Discussion Thread

This thread is for in-game discussion of Sunday's two wild card games: Carolina-New York Giants and Pittsburgh-Cincinnati.

You can find discussion of the Saturday wild card games here.

Comments

301
by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:42pm

Um, how is that NOT a touchdown?

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by ernie cohen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:42pm

As I was saying about reception rules...

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:42pm

Someone needs to tell Randel-El that he's bigger than the cornerback. If he just plows straight ahead, he gets the first down. Instead, he dances, then gets tackled short of the line.

I call that move the 'Keyshawn'.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:43pm

So that's P.I on the Bengals, but not P.I on the Steelers on the previous possession? If one is, then both are.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:43pm

weak weak call on Kaesviharn. You cannot call that if you don't call the pushoff on the previous series against houshmanzadeh

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by Peter (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:43pm

Perhaps bacause the ball came out? But now it is though...

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by Luke (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:43pm

oh no. Then they call a dodgy PI against the bungles. I hate it when the officials *@#$% up a good game.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:44pm

I think the refs are just making it up as they go. This is really bizzare.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:44pm

The old fat guy's got some moves left, hasn't he?

I love the bus.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:44pm

TOUCHDOWN BUS

That's what happens when Pittsburgh gets the ball on the 5 against a mediocre run D.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:45pm

And Bettis does what he's so good at. Cincy badly need a score on their next drive. 10 point swing in five minutes. The bleeding needs to stop.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:46pm

if the refs call a bad game, but make poor calls evenly for both teams (although i'm not implying it right now), does that mean they called a good game?

i agree w/ you Fnor, even though we are rooting for opposite teams.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:46pm

Nice how the TV keeps showing us Mr and Mrs Bus in the stands.

Ben now 143.75.

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by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:48pm

NFL officials competing with MLB umpires for Worst Postseason Ever. And off to a strong start.

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by RIck S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:48pm

The Steelers got away with a big one on the Housh pass inbterference.

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by richconley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:48pm

This is one of the worst officiated games I've seen in a while.

If you're gonna call it, be consistent. Thats a PI call on the bengals when it didnt get called on the steelers.

Earlier we had the late hit calls on the bengals when the steelers were hitting even later just a couple minutes before.

This is out of hand.

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by ernie cohen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:49pm

The difference on the PI calls was that in one, the CB looked at the ball before plowing into the receiver.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:49pm

313: What about Palmer and Kitna?

Yes, Palmer, with his one pass.

Hah! Sack!

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by admin :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:50pm

Re: 315, have we all forgotten the Alamo Bowl *already*? The Sun Belt has the title of Worst Postseason Refs sown up.

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by ernie cohen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:51pm

I was wondering when PIT was going to run the anti-IND defense

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by Zach (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:51pm

Anyone else think the NFL wants to save NE-Indy for the AFC Championship?

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:51pm

All sorts of time, running around, runs forward, whoops! Where's the ball?

Aaron Brooks worthy.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:51pm

Kitna's been watching Boller

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:52pm

Hah!

Nice hands, Kitna!

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:52pm

Re 189:

Sorry PatsFan, I'm not sure I have enough predictive magic left to pull that off. :)

But damn, did I call that or what?

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:52pm

That looked like an end of half/game Hail Mary play.

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by ernie cohen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:53pm

Well, that play set a few records...

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by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:54pm

Re 320: I was talking about pro sports. Sorry I didn't make that clear.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:54pm

while CIN moves backwards due to yellow hankies...
oh, and now the Kitna fumble...

CIN has not had a game this year when they lost the turnover battle. In Even turnover games, CIN is 0-3 against playoff teams, 3-0 against non-playoff teams (not counting weeks 16 & 17). I think they need at least a +2 to stay in the game.

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by TomC (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:55pm

OK, that Sony Stanford-Cal commercial was pretty good.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 8:56pm

Wow. Worst. Fumble. Ever.

I really wish they would have shown the coverage downfield.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:01pm

Wow!!!

TD!!!

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:03pm

As a Steeler's fan, I feel really badly about Palmer being out for his first playoff game. I really don't think it was a cheap-shot (just as I don't think Castillo's shot on Roethlisberger was cheap in the SD game), it just was unfortunate. Von Olehoffen is about as classy and fair of a player as you can get (especially for a D-End) and I'm sure he didn't want to see the QB for the opposing team out after the second snap.

Oh my god, what the hell...a trick play...sweet mericful crap!!!! Mularkey must have left a few pages from his playbook as he skulked out of town.

I agree that the officiating was bizarre...the Steelers are also going to have to improve the coverage on kickoffs. They're giving up gobs of field position.

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by Fitzcarraldo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:16pm

The Steelers are going for the record: Most Different Players Throwing Passes In Redzone While Starting QB Is On Field For Every Snap, Playoff Game.

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by Ray (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:16pm

Throw the ball, Kitna!!!

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:17pm

Greatest play in NFL history back there.
Cincinnati lines up in a shotgun empty-set. Pittsburgh's defense has one lineman. Only the lineman and linebacker Haggans rush Kitna, who bobbles the snap, taking one second, then proceeds to run around looking for a receiver for TEN SECONDS, then loses his grip on the ball, and falls on it three seconds later.
End result: FOURTEEN SECONDS of clock, and a loss of four yards.

I don't think there will ever be another pass play that takes 14 seconds and ends in a sack.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:19pm

Can we all agree that this crew shouldn't get anywhere near another playoff game this season?

When I played soccer, all I ever wanted from a ref was consistency (and an understanding of the rules). There's been no consistency from these officials whatever.

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by princeton73 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:19pm

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by ZasZ (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:20pm

Vash,

Brady had a 14-second pass play last night that ended with him either getting pushed out of bounds or tackled, I don't remember.

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by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:20pm

Simms is having a good game, esp on the gadget TD play when he called out the open receiver before the pass was thrown

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:20pm

I love Randle-El, but he's got to start moving upfield when he 's returning a punt, his first move always seems to be 7 yards laterally. Move up the field, this isn't a dance-off.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:22pm

Oh, and some analysis of the trick play for you bums, written in my horrible style...

-BEGIN USELESS DESCRIPTION OF PLAY-
Shotgun, 3 wide, Randle El flanking Roethlisberger to his right. Direct snap to Randle El, who fakes a run around right end, then throws the ball all the way across the field (backwards lateral). Roethlisberger throws the bomb to Cedric Wilson on the left side. Pittsburgh actually had two receivers on the left side: Ward 25 yards downfield, with a defender chasing him, and Wilson 40 yards downfield all alone.
--END USELESS DESCRIPTION OF PLAY--

----BEGIN IMPORTANT PART-----
This means that (1) Cincinnati's defense is way out of position, all on the right side because of the direct snap/run around end; (2) anyone with a chance to cover the deep receivers hesitates seeing that Roethlisberger has about 20 yards of open running room; (3) even if Wilson is somehow still covered perfectly (which would be a miracle), that leaves Ward wide open for 25 yards, with one blocker and one defender between him and the goal line.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:25pm

Whoa. Bit of a hiccup on the NFL.com play-by-play. Pass first scored as thrown by ARE, then Jeff Reed, then finally Roethlisberger.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:28pm

What is this Bruce Springsteen on Cold Case?? Up Next, Bob Dylan on CSI Miami, with Tony Orlando on a very special Pensacola:Wings of Gold.

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:31pm

Oh, for crying out loud. Would somebody please tackle Polamalu by his frickin' hair?

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by TomC (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:31pm

Alright, Polamalu is just an idiot. Heck of a talented guy, but sheesh, how dumb can you get?

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:31pm

Somewhat of a dangerous lateral, but not quite on the caliber of ARE's earlier this year because it was a long enough distance so the receiver could set up to catch it.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:32pm

Randel-El is clearly a bad influence on this team.

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by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:32pm

Coaches may need to start fining players for foolish laterals

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:33pm

OK, this one's over, and I have to up for work in 7 hours. Goodnight.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:33pm

OK, this one's over, and I have to get up for work in 7 hours. Goodnight.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:33pm

Polamalu seems to be on a pattern of increasing anger over the season. He's started getting personal fouls, plus the occasional stupid play (the lateral).

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by kleph (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:34pm

they just mentioned palmer has torn acl AND mcl.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:34pm

The Chin reminds Polamalu what happens when people lateral needlessly...ARE was disappeared: To Wit - 220 Yards before the Lateral in week 3. 220 yards over the next nine games...

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:35pm

If Ray Lewis retires, Polamalu will be the next "most hated" LB in the AFC North. He's damn good, "arrogant cocky", and at least he didn't murder anyone.

But yeah Devin, yank the hair!

357
by Vash (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:35pm

Is it just me, or has Haynes somehow turned into a decent back the last few weeks?

I always thought he was a bust, but now even I'm kinda wondering.

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by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:37pm

Next Sat. night: Tom Brady vs Jake the Snake.
Maybe the Pats should go ahead & book their rooms in Indy now.

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by Yaxley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:37pm

Vash, it's not just you. I've noticed Haynes playing better in the past few weeks as well.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:38pm

B-Spec - He's a Safety. Though it's hard to tell sometimes.

Vash - Don't believe...Haynes has fooled me one too many times. He has flashes of being a good back with large splatterings of total idiocy.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:39pm

#358: Indeed! Magic Beans.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:39pm

Re:#356

Maybe if Polamalu was actually a linebacker that would be true.

Anyhow, if Joey Porter remains a Steeler, I'm sure he'll take over that title.

Heck, I'm a Steeler fan, and even I don't really like Porter...

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by Sean (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:39pm

RE 358:

Spoken like a true Joe Germaine fan.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:41pm

RRP - my bad. he's just that *** good!

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by Rev (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:55pm

Is it just me, or was this a relatively boring wild card weekend?

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by Luke (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:56pm

well, Kitna was having a good game.

The word I would use to describe pittsburg's win is unconvincing. They knock Palmer out of the game early, get a 14 point turnaround from the officials in the 3rd quarter and resort to a flea-flicker (a great play, I admit) to eventually win by 14. Good luck in Indy.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 9:56pm

B-Spec - No problem like I said, it's hard to tell.

I can't believe that there was a good Bill Cowher half-time adjustment...I'm still totally in shock...I mean drolling, stupid shock...you have to understand, this never happens.

I really feel bad for the Bengals fans. It sucks to lose the star of your team on the second play of the game. I do hope that he makes it back in time for camp and has a full recovery. Good season.

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by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:02pm

So... did Kitna make some money this weekend or what? Played ok despite the circumstances, so he showcased his ability to be an above-average QB to other teams, and with Palmer doing a mini-Culpepper impression, you know Cinci wants to sign someone who can start and knows the system.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:08pm

Ben's passer rating was 148.7.

Had Cowher challenged the Randle El touchdown (which resulted in the long PI), Ben's passer rating would have been 156.25.

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by Mikey (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:14pm

"Next Sat. night: Tom Brady vs Jake the Snake. Maybe the Pats should go ahead & book their rooms in Indy now."

Oh, no question. Remember what happened last time these two embarrassingly mismatched QBs met in Denver in Week 6? I mean, how could anybody give Denver half a chance at all?

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by joe football (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:14pm

Steeler fan here, but I think that PI penalty on the Bengals near the endzone was a break for them, since it stopped the Steelers from challenging the play. It looked to me like a clear TD For El, who only lost the ball after he'd been on the ground for a good while.

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by Mikey (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:17pm

Anybody have some insight as to why Cinci stopped going no-huddle?

They moved the ball alarmingly well in the no-huddle, and Steeler fans will recall that Kitna led a bad Bengal team to a humiliating torching of the Steelers by going hurry-up a few years ago.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:18pm

A few comments:

1)I agree with the announcer who said he thought both the Edell Shepard and ARE plays were TD catches.

2)Why did Kitna dump a 2-yard out off to Matt Schobel? You could see that pattern was going nowhere. They needed Kitna to make a play, not keep dumping off short passes like he did in the first half.

3)I always like the Peyton Manning Mastercard commercials when I see them, and I also enjoyed the "Lo Def" commercial.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:20pm

Mikey (372) Kitna led a bad Bengal team to a humiliating torching of the Steelers by going hurry-up a few years ago.

That was 2001 - the one in "99-1-1" - but that was also in the days of Chad Scott & Co.

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by DGL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:23pm

Let's take the archetypical running yardage and wins correlation that led Aaron to come up with DVOA in the first place, and apply it to Verron Haynes. In particular, the correlation between Verron Haynes rushing yardage and Steeler victories clearly indicates that Haynes should be the feature back and get 30 carries per game.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:23pm

Finally, I have a feeling Indy was cheering for Pitt, and that Denver was rooting on the Bungles today.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:25pm

375 - Let's not get carried away. This is the first year Verron hasn't been injured.

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by Mikey (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:26pm

Israel, I know our secondary has improved immensely since then (and thank God for it), but still, why do you think Lewis ditched the no-huddle? I was relieved that they did. I just didn't really get it.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:26pm

Oh, 3 road wins this week!

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by Mikey (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:27pm

I've noticed a high correlation between Ben taking a knee and the Steelers winning games. Clearly Ken Whiz needs to call more kneeldowns!

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:34pm

Another thought on the Steelers secondary.

Kitna did an awful lot of running around in the backfield with not much pass rush and I don't think it was all "happy feet." Coverage must have been excellent.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:39pm

To those wondering why CIN dropped the no-huddle, I don't claim to be the grey matter in Marvin's head, but here's my guess:

w/ Kitna, CIN had less chance to score compared to PIT offense, so it became a 100% ball control game, keep the PIT offense off the field to keep the score low. But at the same time, I got the feeling that CIN stopped going to Rudi (i'm not checking the play-by-play)..

but that's my guess.

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by Justus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:43pm

Someone earlier mentioned THE SYSTEM. By my count THE SYSTEM was 17 for 30 when it came to picking winners this year. If you just picked the team with the better record at that point in time (if their records are equal pick the home team) you would have been 19 for 30.

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by DGL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:45pm

OK, Mikey got it, but Israel didn't. But he gets a mulligan because it's, what, 2:30 AM out there?

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by zip (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:48pm

Re: Wordpress issues

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:49pm

DGL - 3:30.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 10:57pm

RE: 73

What’s with all the bad weather talk for Cincy anyway?

All the talk started with my post that the weather would be good in Cincy today. Starshatterer responded that weather is overrated, and it went on from there.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:06pm

RE: 84

It usually doesn't work as well in the playoffs, for whatever reason, and it wasn't cold in New Jersey today.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:06pm

RE: 86

He misread my post. Why don't you go back and look at it again?

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by Jason (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:46pm

The steelers are going nowhere - even if they got to play at home next week. They were on their way to getting blown out, when an ex-bengal "happened" to fall on Palmer. That was so obvious and intentional, it's ridiculous. I will enjoy the steelers getting destroyed at the RCA dome.

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by charles (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:48pm

jake plummer welcome to the pro bowl!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:54pm

#390

Hey Marvin. Want some cheese with that whine?

WE DEY!

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/08/2006 - 11:56pm

Hooray! Apparently now two throws equals "blowout."

Can PIT beat IND? Not if they play like they did in the first half today. If they play like they did in the second and third quarters, they've got a good shot.

For the record, I have the Colts beating the steelers and then losing to the broncos in the AFCC. Batting 1.000 so far!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:01am

HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:02am

RE: 112
Better than Chris Simms? Better than Tom Brady?
RE: 117
Exactly what I was thinking when the play happened.
RE: 3
Very impressive. Kudos.
RE: 139
I have the Bears taking that one.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:03am

I just realized something. If you link to a FO article, your post doesn't show up. At least that's what happened to me...

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:12am

We want Indy! *clap clap clapclapclap*

Yes, I know, be careful what you wish for. I'll take my chances- hopefully the Steelers start throwing a little earlier next game.

Also, should I be happy or worried that Ben is working on a Dan Fouts beard?

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:16am

I may not be the homer that Jason is, but, Adam, I think Fnor would agree that the PIT effort today is not enough against Indy. Especially the undisciplined Palomalu plays.

And at least we in Cincy have a unique WHO-DEY cheer, unlike the monotonous ...

Here we go {enter flavor-of-the-week} here we go.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:17am

sorry - Fnor already *did* say that!

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by DGL (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:20am

#390: Yeah. Cause if a DL wanted to knock a QB out of the game, he'd do it by getting blocked down to the ground and rolling into the QB's leg. That's a lot more reliable than, say, hitting him.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:25am

I fully understand that if the Steelers want to beat Indy (or really anyone for that matter) they've got to play a better game than they did today for a full 60 minutes (not just 30 minutes like today)........

But.......

1. I just wanted to beat Cincy.

2. I can accept a loss to Indy (at Indy) more than I can accept a loss to Cincy.

3. Keeping in mind #'s 1 and 2 I am fully psyched about winning todays game.

4. WE DEY!!!!!!!!!!!

5. #24 covered #85 in 2005 (and 2006).

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by Vash (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:26am

392: Adam, do you know where I can get one of those shirts?

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by Jason (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:31am

#400...yeah the knee already with a brace on it and if you actually saw the replay, it's pretty tough to "get blocked into" the opposite direction that the OL is pushing you. In any event, the Steelers are over-rated...Cowher said they are resilient, a bunch of sandbags are resilient too.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:33am

The only place I saw those shirts for sale was along the city streets of Pittsburghs North Side before and after games.

I'm kicking myself right now for not buying one!

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by Jason (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:34am

#398, I'm not a homer, but am a bears fan. Hey steelers fans, enjoy one quarter in the divisional playoffs before getting back to your weekend cow milking.

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by Jason (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:38am

Have the steelers even beaten a good team this year? Ok, the chargers in san diego and the bears without about 6 starters playing? Hey, don't give up after the Colts win by 30, the pirates might be .500 this year!

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:38am

405.

Weekend cow milking? Coming from a Bears fan? Come on man. I've been to Illinois. You shouldn't be saying that type of stuff.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:40am

#406- Well, they beat your Bengals twice...

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by Vash (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:43am

I wasn't a big fan of the Figurative Metaphors commercials at first, but the recent one is brilliant.

"I'm the director."
"Why can't I be the director?"

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by DGL (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:46am

#403: "Guys were infuriated," (Cincinnati) right tackle Willie Anderson said. "But I know him. He's not a dirty player. His momentum just kept him going into Carson. It wasn't a dirty play."

"They had every right to be upset. They lost their best player," (von Oelhoffen) said. "I hope Carson gets better. My apologies to him and his family. I was worried about Carson. That kid deserved to play this game."

Jeffri Chadiha: "The Bengals didn't think Steelers defensive tackle Kimo von Oelhoffen delivered a cheap shot on the play that knocked Palmer out of the game. Since von Oelhoffen is a former Bengal, several players vouched for his character."

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by Vash (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:52am

Wow, this guy is pissed.

You know, when a defensive lineman falls toward the quarterback, he's definitely able to choose what direction he hits him, and his concern for Palmer after the hit MUST have been an act.

And damn, I need to find one of those We Dey! shirts. Somewhere. Must. Find.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:53am

For the record: I can' take many more games like this.

Every game from here on out better be a blow out in some form......

Hopefully for the Steelers........

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by Jason (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:53am

I wonder what Eric Steinbach thought of the play, since Willie had his back to the play and Steinbach was the one blocking a player into his quarterback. Regardless, the Steelers made sure the Colts will make the AFC championship, since they avoid the Pats.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 12:58am

Click my name for one final shout out to Cincy.......

Cincinnati S.U.C.K.S!

Poor Venus Flytrap!

Although if Bailey needs some comforting she is always welcome at my place.........

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 1:08am

As a steelers fan living in Chicago, I am very disappointed at how this thread turned out.

And now, bed.

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by michael (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 1:09am

Re #400

Yeah, it is more reliable. Rolling up on a planted leg is a much easier way to put someone out than hitting them up high.

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by RowdyRoddyPiper (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 1:31am

Does anyone have video of this? I'm really sorry for the Bengals fans, it sucks that it went down that way. I know you guys haven't watched a lot of playoff football, but it's still a contact sport in the post season. I'm not impressed with the win, but I'll take it.

PS. To the Bears fan...way to go 1-3 vs. the AFC North. Good luck with the Panthers. Love the excuse on the loss to the Steelers. 6 Starters? Try 3...Brown, Harris, Metcalf...if you have more, I'd love to hear it.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 1:57am

Kimo definitely regretted what happened to Carson Palmer, and that wasn't a late hit. Kimo was visibly upset after what happened, and it wasn't even his fault.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:03am

It sure looked to me like Kimo dove right at Plamer's leg. It also looked to me like he was looking at the leg too, so I asume he didn't know the ball was being thrown right then. Even if it was there was no way for hi to stop mid fall/dive, and its also not illegal to hit the QB 1/8 sec after he gets rid of the ball. Finally, from the angle on the NFL recap film it sure looked like just a plain old everyday tackle attempt gone bad, nothing cheap about it at all.

I have seen lots of cheap plays, this was not one of them.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:09am

RE: 225

I will never understand why, when the defense sees the QB audible against the blitz, the defense continues the blitz. That’s like asking to give up a big play.

Exactly! The whole idea of a blitz is the element of surprise. If the offense knows when and where the blitz is coming from, the defense is screwed. When a blitz gets picked up, you can usually smell the long bomb coming.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:27am

Re: Spotty officiating and "Down by Contact"

Officiating has been spotty all season, and people have been complaining about "down by contact" rule all season long.

The players will fight for the ball until someone is clearly down. I bet this has happened 20 times this year... who got injured from it?!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:29am

The ACL and MCL tears on Palmer were clean, which means the surgery will be relatively simple, as reconstructive knee surgeries go.
There is no way in hell he'll be ready in July, or even close to that. I don't even think he'll be 100% when the season starts.

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by Vash (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:35am

Well after that bizarre game, the Steelers-Bengals rivalry lives to be settled another year. What was supposed to be the decisive victory for one of the two teams ended up as a bunch of question marks.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 2:52am

393

it was one run, and one throw. that obviously determines blowout. sheesh, i thought you would know that

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by ChrisFromNJ (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 3:06am

So... the "magic number" for RB fatigue that's usually batted around is 370 carries.

Counting regular season and playoffs, Tiki Barber had... exactly 370 carries.

Oof. Can we get one more good year out of him, or are the wheels of decline in motion already? Was the early exit just enough to keep him in form for one more season (therefore providing what little silver lining we can get out of this debacle), or are we doomed? Nervous minds want to know...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 3:26am

Eric Steinbach kind of pushed Kimo. It definitely wasn't his fault.

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by Countertorque (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 4:15am

Re: #419 THANK YOU :)

He was clearly trying to tackle the QB. That's his job. The whistle hadn't blown and he doesn't have a TV in his helmet showing him that the ball was thrown. His field of view consisted of:Palmer's (upright) leggrass

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by Dan (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 5:43am

#417: if you have more, I’d love to hear it.
Grossman?

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 6:33am

Re #422: I've heard of collegiate receivers (Todd Blythe of Iowa State, if you care) coming back from a "clean" ACL tear that occured in spring practice in time for the next season. Less than six months turnaround. Now, that's just an ACL, not ACL and MCL, but he's also a receiver, meaning he runs a lot more than a QB. I think Palmer can make it back for the start of next season if he really throws himself into his rehab. We'll see.

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by John S. (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 10:34am

Re: 417, what about Rex Grossman dork?

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by John S. (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 10:36am

I know Bengals fans must be disappointed, but clearly it was just a case of bad luck in a contact sport. I think that Kimo could have avoided him, but it his job to disrupt the QB. Predictions: Bears by 6, Broncos by 13, Seahawks by 3, Colts by 21

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 4:26pm

Oh yeah, on the Randle El throw to Roethlisberger, it almost got blocked by a Bungle. It was pretty close. Imagine if Pittsburgh hadn't gotten that TD.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 5:25pm

RE: 383

It's primarily used for picking ATS, not straight up. What if there is a year where all the cold-weather team suck? Then obviously the record would be bad. The idea is to pick the home team in December cold-weather games (when the opponent is a warm weather/dome team).

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 5:36pm

RE: 383

It's primarily used for picking ATS, not straight up. What if there is a year where all the cold-weather team suck? Then obviously the record would be bad. The idea is to pick the home team in December cold-weather games (when the opponent is a warm weather/dome team).
I just got a very long error message "Warning..." Not the usual Wordpress error.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 6:06pm

Oops, double post. Sorry.

Anyway, Carson Palmer said today that he doesn't think Kimo did anything dirty, if that means anything.
Personally, I find it astonishing that anyone would.

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by B-spectacled (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 6:42pm

Re 435 Sid

One steroid-pumped word:

Romanowski.

Unfortunately, that might open a new can of worms on this thread... :^\

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by Justus (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 7:00pm

#434 - If you know of a place that has historical odds for games I'll count up how THE SYSTEM did ATS.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 7:43pm

Astonished that anyone would believe it was a dirty play? Puh-leeze, what is the economic value of another playoff game worth to the franchise and city - if you could take out one player on the bengals to assure victory, who would it be? Duh. Falling on his knee - the only thing that Palmer's had a major injury on in his career is a coincidence? I'm not so sure. Conspiracy theorists would say Kimo was the best, since no one would suspect a nice guy/ex-bengal of doing it. Ha

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by Balaji (not verified) :: Mon, 01/09/2006 - 8:33pm

Bill, #438:

Puh-leeze, what is the economic value of another playoff game worth to the franchise and city - if you could take out one player on the bengals to assure victory, who would it be?

Now I'm no expert, but considering that there was no way to have a playoff game in Pittsburgh, I'd wager the worth of the next game to the city is around nil. But if your conspiracy theory makes you sleep better at night, knock yourself out.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Tue, 01/10/2006 - 1:55am

RE: 437

I tracked it for a while on the actual thread.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=98&cat=1

As for historical odds:

There must be sites that have it, and if I wasn't going to sleep now, I'd go and find a site that has historical odds.
It's a small sample size every season, because it only applies in the last few weeks of the regular season (which are usually extremely difficult to predict anyway, due to the meaningless games).