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Week 14 SNF/MNF Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field during and after Week 14 Sunday Night Football between New Orleans and Dallas as well as Monday Night Football between Chicago and St. Louis.


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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 9:21pm

WWL radio (the flagship of the New Orleans Saints Radio Network--represent!!!) has said that Colston survived the pregame workouts and should play tonight.

Joe Horn, however, allegedly did not make the trip. It's one of Payton's policies that if a player can not play, he does not travel.

The Fresh Prince will also be playing tonight, and he did not miss any practice.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 9:23pm

BTW, I still can't understand half the things that Bobby Hebert says, and my grandfather was part Cajun.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 9:44pm

You need Jake Dlehomme to translate for you.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 9:54pm

I just finished watching the Giants play. It is no wonder that Tiki wants to retire at the end of the year. That team is filled with classless, headcase players. They yell at their teammates, yell at the refs, whine and pout on the sidelines, take dirty shots. I've never seen a team this bad. Are there any other teams out there like this? Between Plexico Burress, Jeremy Shockey, Chris Snee, Kiyonuka I guess it was screaming at his own defensive socondary, Sam Madison and others, this team is a character mess. I noticed how much respect Tiki has from around the league. Every time he is tackled, players from the other team help him up. It must pain him beyond belief to be a part of that circus up there in New York right now.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:07pm

And yet they're still going to the playoffs, despite an injury-wracked season . . .

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:13pm

Not if the Jeff Garcias have anything to say about it.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:17pm

Is it not fairly plausible they could both get wild cards, with one at 9-7 and the other 8-8 or even both 8-8?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:19pm

ouch, they've already started pounding us with the Mellencamp crap. I really do think he should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:20pm

I've found a commercial almost as annoying as This is our country.

That damn Jessica Simpson direct TV commercial.

Sure, she's hot (I guess?) but it's on just as often and I lump her in with that Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie group of "we're famous despite having no talent and for no real reason."

I hate that.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:20pm

That mellencamp song is ruining some of the best NFL highlights of all time...

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:21pm

Mellencamp?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:23pm

Of course, this is our country.

I hate John f-ing Mellencamp.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:24pm

9: At least Simpson had her moments of hotness.

She's still a gazillion times hotter than Pink.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:27pm

#11 - I envy you.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:29pm

Okay, sitting on my fantasy bench are Fred Taylor and Julius Jones. and I benched them both for Deuce and Steve Jackson...

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:31pm

But Pink can sing and she's a ....well, a singer.

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by Clinch (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:31pm

So I guess there won't be any holding calls tonight.

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by James C (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:33pm

#11

Just sit back and enjoy Carlson's incisive analysis and Bayfield's failed comparisons to rugby.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:33pm

Wow. Julius Jones untouched. How did that happen?

And something nice said about TO. I wonder if Plexico could learn something from TO about playing hard despite being a jerk.

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by James C (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:34pm

Can anyone tell me if Parrish is playing for the Cowboys?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:36pm

Ok, so Wikipedia tells me John Mellencamp is a singer of the politically leftist persuasion.

I have NFL Field Pass, so I do see some US adverts when I can't be bothered to change games; is he the perpetrator of the backing music on that God-awful Chevvy advert?

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:37pm

Bush made some good moves on a short pass play. It's really hard for me to figure out why he'd been struggling so much.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:40pm

Wow, some useful commentary. They just pointed out that the Cowboys used 6 linemen on a passing play.

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by Kachunk (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:40pm

re: 21 yes. He is. And most of us hate him for it.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:42pm

The New Orleans defense is rather shoddy. Just look at the starters. Only Charles Grant and Will Smith, really, can be considered above average players.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:43pm

It seems like about 1 or 2 players from each team quote their High School instead of their college. Why do so many players who were obviously sucessful stars on their college team dislike their college?

They must have a good reason. I wonder if there isn't a whole lot more problems between colleges and their athletes than we ever hear about.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:43pm

We wouldn't mind it as much if they didn't play it with such mind-numbing frequency...

From what I understand some of the lyrics of the actualy song aren't that bland, but Chevy of course doesn't use those...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:44pm

RE: 1

Joe Horn was ruled out even before the day began, so it makes sense for him not to make the trip.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:46pm

on the first down by Bush, Campbell could've made a key block, but chose to stand around and watch.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:47pm

Did I just hear them say that a difference between Bush and Sanders is that Bush loses yardage a lot?

Have we forgotten what kind of a player Barry Sanders was?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:47pm

saints having serious problems running up the middle on Dallas.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:48pm

No, they said that was a similarity. They both lose yardage looking for the big play.

But to be fair to Barry, Barry seems to have been better at finding the big play.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:48pm

No, they were saying that was something Bush and Sanders had in common.

Free Mike Karney!

34
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:49pm

They really should go for it here.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:49pm

why does reggie bush stutter so much before even reaching the LoS? he needs to sometimes run right at the defender rather than avoiding him

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:49pm

The most exciting three-yard gain in NFL history.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:49pm

very risky play on 4th and 1. Look at how far Henderson had to run just to get back to the LOS.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:50pm

Ware looked offside on that sack.

Oh. He was.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:51pm

My God, Reggie can jump.

Thank you Al Michaels, for informing us that 8 yards is in fact 24 feet.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:52pm

[26] I think most of the time that is just a shout out to the hometown folks, and not a diss on the college.

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:52pm

Does anybody else here think that Reggie Bush is going to get himself killed if he doesn't stop leaping forward like that?

42
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:53pm

nice variation on the tight end middle screen.

was that bush that was used as a decoy in that one?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:53pm

I think someone needs to work out a new name for whatever the hell position it is Bush plays in the pros, because it isn't running back.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:53pm

wow, Tony Dungy in a commercial. You don't see that much.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:54pm

reggie bush-your next contestant on "dancing with the stars"

all jokes aside, he looks very explosive when he's not being stuffed for no gain.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:54pm

lol, Madden said that was Karney's first carry of the season. Why does he say these things without researching it first? Karney had 6 carries and 8 catches coming into this game.

47
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:55pm

How can Brees be a candidate for comeback player of the season when he's been playing at a pro-bowl level for the last two years?

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:55pm

i don't think a defender is ever "really" ready for the ball carrier to just leap randomly. He could get killed but it would probably be just a random guy running by.

49
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:57pm

how did ware and merriman last till double digits in the 2005 draft?
who were drafted before him - rice, sanders, elway or what?

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by Brad (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:57pm

well, alex smith was.....

51
by Kachunk (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:59pm

woooooo, Karney!

52
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:59pm

definitely free Karney... I have McAllister doing nothing on my fantasy team and... sigh, I guess I can empathize with people who started Fason...

52
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 10:59pm

Tis the day of Karney!

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:00pm

49--

um, well, that eli manning guy, that phillip rivers guy, that mike williams guy (stupid millen), pacman jones.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:00pm

RE: 15

I also had Deuce starting, and it seems Karney is taking away his touches.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:00pm

49 - ahead of them:

Troy Williamson

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:00pm

You can't stop Mike Karney. You can only hope to contain him.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:01pm

2005 Draft
1. Alex Smith
2. Ronnie Brown
3. Braylon Edwards
4. Cedric Benson
5. Cadillac Williams
6. Pac-man
7. Troy Williamson
8. Antrel Rolle
9. Carlos Rogers
10. Mike Williams

59
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:01pm

Free Mike Karney!

60
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:01pm

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:02pm

watching that horrible ad 10 times a game makes me want to throw things at my TV. If it were only for one game, fine. BUT DAMN IT, EVERY WEEK!!???? Screw you, Mellencamp. Screw you, Chevy. And screw you, TV stations for being heartless.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:02pm

i went to wikipedia for a quick reference and think the only ones who picks that could be justified: pac-man jones, ronnie brown and maybe alex smith.

we already know a few busts there. hello troy, hello mike.

there are some decent picks - edwards, benson, rolle and rogers but any of these teams could have taken SM or Ware

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:05pm

nice interception, but i am surprised that there was no "delay of game" call made on the play

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:05pm

Yeah, I think it's pretty clear at this point that Merriman was the best player in that draft class, and Ware top-5. I think it may be a general truth that when a draft is reckoned to be particularly stacked at a given position, teams start drafting that position too late (see 2006 quarterbacks).

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:05pm

We've been "mellencamped" yet again.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:06pm

The problem with the Saints playing on Sunday or Monday nights is that I have to work on the following day.

Just an observation as I go for a bit more Bourbon.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:07pm

Is this how the prophecied Romo-meltdown begins?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:07pm

49--

oops, I'm an idiot.

Wrong year.

I recall that Merriman and Ware didn't have jaw-dropping measurables, or something like that.

Of course, with the triumph of troy williamson and fabian washington, the 40 remains an outstanding predictor of potential.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:08pm

#66 - You think you've got it bad? Try watching those games live in GMT.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:08pm

Sophandros--

Are you playing the John Mellencamp drinking game?

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:09pm

Karney!

72
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:10pm

SOB! Karney is vulturing Deuce's TDs.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:10pm

Karney.

Wow.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:10pm

the legend of mike karney continues to grow!

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:10pm

Karnage!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:10pm

That's it. Karney is now on my fantasy team.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:11pm

#44 playing his 44th career game, and is fantasy gold. Man, I had no idea this was coming. I guess I should've picked up Karney off free agency and started him over Deuce. :D

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:11pm

re: 49
Merriman wasn't nearly as strong or as fast when he was at Maryland as he is now. There's really no way anyone could assume his body would transform the way it did.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:11pm

70: The way this is going, I may start playing the Mike Karney drinking game.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

78
;)

81
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY!

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

68: which year are you refering to?

i think both SM & ware had approx. 10 sacks last year and are about there this year as well.

saints are killing a lot of fantasy leagues right now ... wonder if there are 10 people on the planet who have karney starting?

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

Mellencamp!!!

84
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

Karney is loose!

85
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

RE: 78 His supplier probably had some idea...

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

I have said it before and I will say it again: John Cougar Mellancamp and GM are going to make me join Al Queda.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

This is our country.

Sigh.

88
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:12pm

Mike Karney - the only man in the NFL that Austin Powers fears.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:13pm

If you download illegal copies of that new NBC show, would that be Identity theft?

90
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:13pm

I can't keep going through TV's like this!

Does John Mellencamp have a deal with Best Buy?

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:13pm

bad kick-off!

92
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:13pm

Have they considered playing the Silverado commercials in Iraq, just replacing it with comparable images from the middle east?

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:14pm

Speaking of commercials, am I the only one who believes that the crappiest beers have the best commercials? You'll note that there are no, say, Chimay commercials during football season...

69: True, but I have to use my vacation time for Boxing Day and its aftermath. Spending the day at the pub watching the Premiership will do that to you.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:14pm

RE: 62

Not really. Ware and Merriman flourish most in a 3-4 defense. They would not be the same player on a 4-3 defense, because I don't think they'd be consistent enough against the run from the DE position, lining up in that stance and sometimes getting blown off the ball.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:14pm

Re: #78

Oh, I'm sure a few people could have predicted his develoment. His agent, his trainer, the guy who gets him 'roids.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:15pm

82:

wrong draft year (I gave several players drafted the year before SM and Ware, not in the same draft).

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:15pm

95: remember guys, Merriman has asthma, so he has a valid medical reason for...

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:15pm

Anyone who has Karney should get triple points.

I'm kicking ass because I started John Mellencamp in the flex position. I get one point per ad. Let's see. Yeah, 84 points so far from him.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:16pm

Saints DTs and LBs are pretty bad. Dallas could just keep running the ball up the middle until New Orleans stops it, which could be never.

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by chrisv (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:16pm

93: if it is a good beer it does not need a commercial.

You do not see any commercials for porsche or ferrari either.

101
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:16pm

I though the danger of Cinderellas was turning into a pumpkin, not "losing their shoe".

102
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:17pm

Through the wonder of Tivo's instant pause, I haven't heard what country this is all evening. That alone is worth the subscription price, IMHO.

103
by Brad (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:17pm

i thought it was the saints player who had asthma or is that the joke?

104
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:17pm

yikees glenn: comparing romo with favre ...

cardinal sin in both eras - 90s as well as now

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:18pm

100: or for diamonds

(well, except for the season from thanksgiving to valentines day)

106
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:18pm

Now this is a story, all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down...

107
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:18pm

I need to stop looking at GameCenter. NBC is running at least 20 seconds behind.

108
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:19pm

Merriman ran a 4.68 40, according to Scout.com. No number listed for Ware. That's not bad for a DE/OLB, surely? Although he was quoted beforehand as saying he was aiming for a 4.5.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:19pm

102: shut up.

At least pretend to take pity on the rest of us.

110
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:19pm

when i saw the flag, i thought it was going to yet another roughing the passer

111
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:20pm

On the 2005 draft, and all the people picked ahead of Ware and Merriman: I don't think anyone should have been picked ahead of those two, in retrospect. But I thought Edwards would be a great player when he was drafted, and I'm standing by that. He's played with Charlie Frye for two years and he's still made some good plays.

Knowing what I know now, here are the 2005 picks I'd most want on my team.

1. Shawn Merriman
2. DeMarcus Ware
3. Braylon Edwards
4. Lofa Tatupu
5. Pacman Jones
6. Jason Campbell
7. Derrick Johnson
8. Frank Gore
9. Alex Barron
10. Ronnie Brown

112
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:20pm

I love the dislocated finger commercial.

112
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:20pm

RE: 82

I'd be surprised if anyone did. Even an all-Saints kind of person wouldn't start Karney on his fantasy team. He very rarely gets the ball.

114
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:21pm

111:

I don't see Edwards or Campells as top ten redraft picks.

115
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:21pm

RE: 109 Now if I could only get Tivo to mute automatically every time Theismann's voice came on, I would marry it.

116
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:22pm

113: Is there ANY fullback in this year's NFL that you would start on your fantasy team?

BTW, for this game alone, I nominate Mike Karney for the FFHOF.

117
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:23pm

116: I second the nomination.

I would also like to nominate Piner (the Vikings guy) for the FFHOF.

118
by chrisv (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:23pm

ROFL Alec Baldwin just called Eli Manning a girl.

119
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:24pm

I think Brees is the only short QB starting who isn't a running threat. Unless you count Jeff Garcia, who isn't quite the scrambler he used to be (although he still moves around a lot).

120
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:24pm

69

I can do you one better: CET

121
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:24pm

If the QB projection system is right about Campbell (and the early evidence certainly hasn't shown that it isn't) then he might even be worth taking ahead of Merriman, and is certainly a top-5 redraft pick.

122
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:26pm

RE: 99

And it continues...

I don't know why Dallas is passing so much. I'd pound it.

123
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:26pm

RE: 116 I wouldn't come close to starting any FB. Alstott leads the way with 2 TDs. If Greg Jones were healthy, maybe...

124
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:26pm

121:

What did the projection system say about Campell again?

125
by Marko (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:27pm

88: Austin Powers also fears Mike Karney's teammate, John Carney. Between Karney and Carney, who has smaller hands, and who smells more like cabbage?

126
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:28pm

123: Alstott LED the way. The Karnage will pass him.

127
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:28pm

124 - It liked him a lot. Like, Carson Palmer levels, I think. High completion percentage, loads of starts. Though he did come with a "low attempts" caveat, because Auburn were such a strong running team with Brown and Williams while he was there.

128
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

114: Santana Moss didn't look like a mid-first round talent after a year and a half either. He had about 200 yards receiving at that point. It usually takes receivers a while, especially if they're saddled with a terrible quarterback. Looking back on a draft that's less than two years old, it's rare to find productive receivers, but many of them will be productive someday. My opinion is that Edwards will be, and in a very big way.

As for Campbell, I think he'll shape out to be the best of the 2005 quarterback class, and considering how important quarterbacks are, I think it's OK to move him up a little bit.

129
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

122: Sid, have you seen the Saints' secondary, though?

130
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

Why did Bush even field that?

131
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

ridiculously stupid decision by Bush. How the hell do you field that punt?

132
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

Bad move reggie. That was likely a touchback...

133
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:29pm

reggie, reggie let it go into the end zone. don't run backwards inside your own five.

134
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:30pm

how did they miss the face-mask call?

135
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:30pm

This is the Cowboys, not SMU, Reggie.

136
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:31pm

#125 - Regardless of his hand size/odor, he's still a kicker.

137
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:31pm

Bodies in the way of all the nearby officials, presumably.

138
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:31pm

Julius Jones has huge holes every other run. As a Panther fan I didn't know offensive linemen were allowed to block on running plays. I wonder if Dan Henning is watching this strategy.

139
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:31pm

Consolation for Deuce Fantasy owners - he gets all the carries inside the NO 20...

140
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:31pm

Free Marques Colston!

141
by Marko (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

"I think Brees is the only short QB starting who isn’t a running threat."

Rex Grossman also is a short QB who is not a running threat. Although he may not be a starting QB much longer.

142
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

Do you know what this is?

Hint: it's our country

143
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

AAAAAAYIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

144
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

NNOOOOOOO

145
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

Mellencamp!!!!

145
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:32pm

I CAN'T TAKE THIS ANYMORE!

Seriously, can we organize a mob and proceed to lynch Mellencamp?

147
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:33pm

BTW, I'm somewhat happy about how the Saints are sustaining drives and are limiting the Cowboys.

148
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:33pm

141:

Rex Grossman is not a threat of any kind, except to the Bears.

149
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:33pm

RE: 116

Well, I would've started Alstott back in the Dunn/Alstott days. He was worthwhile. Now? I don't know of any FBs who get enough red zone touches to warrant it.

150
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:33pm

138 - As a Texans fan, I can assure you that they are being allowed to get away with it only through farcically slack officiating. Blocking is still illegal on all plays, not just runs, no?

151
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:34pm

RE 141, considering that he's also not currently a passing threat, this poses a problem for Chicago.

152
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:34pm

146: I generally don't advocate lynchings, but...

153
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:35pm

RE: 129

I know they've been pretty bad, but I'm the kind of guy who will pound a team with weaknesses up the middle until they show they can stop you consistently. Then mix in play-action and other plays.

154
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:35pm

151: Rex is a passing threat (to the Bears).

155
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:36pm

They can't touch Bush...

156
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:36pm

This would be a huge accomplishment for the Saints; holding Dallas to 7 points in the first half.

156
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:36pm

They break out the MC Hammer for Reggie Bush...

158
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:37pm

Whew. We made it through a commercial break without being Mellencamped.

159
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:37pm

You know, I am regarding all other commercials favorably in gratitutde that they aren't Mellencamp.

160
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:37pm

i am watching the game on ESPN India and hence can someone let me know what the deal is with mallencamp?

161
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:37pm

bush with a decent catch and run, but he's no maurice jones-drew.

162
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:37pm

uh-oh. Colston is down.

163
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:38pm

wow, NBC took an extra 20 seconds to go to commercials there. They missed a great oppurtunity to torture us with more Mellencamp.

RE: 141

Good point. I suppose that with Grossman being so awful, he slipped my mind. He's hardly been starting-caliber.

164
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:38pm

I think that Mellencamp song would suit a lot of other commercials too. What about This is our Country Subway ads, Insurance ads, television promos, service announcements. It could be like a theme for all football game commercials.

165
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:39pm

I was concerned about some of my fellow Who Dats who have been hyping the Saints defense after the Atlanta and San Francisco games. However, this performance is currently giving me this strange, seldom felt feeling as a Saints fan: Hope.

Of course, having Colston go down reminds me that, yes, these are the New Orleans Saints.

166
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:39pm

Drew-Jones, Addai, Bush... there were a few good RBs in the 2006 draft after all.

167
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:40pm

Yes, Devery had the OPI, but at least he caught it.

168
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:41pm

I thought it was a catch and a fumble.

169
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:41pm

NIIIIIICE. Great heads up play by Drew.

170
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:41pm

I say catch!

But with the way officials tend to declare incompletes when the defense recovers..

171
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:42pm

Or I spoke too soon.

172
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:42pm

RE: 160 John "formerly Cougar" Mellencamp is a pop singer. He has a song in a Chevy ad that NBC plays incessantly, and has been playing obsessively for the entire season so far.

173
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:42pm

164: don't give them any ideas.

174
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:43pm

166 - You forgot III.

Of course, none of them can touch Mike Karney . . .

175
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:43pm

it will be upheld, which is great for the saints as they didn't waste that down. and the clock stopped.

176
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:43pm

Not a catch, but where was the PI on the play just before that? I didn't see anything.

177
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:43pm

oh, unsporstmanlike on Parcells?

178
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:43pm

RE: 161

That was a pet peeve of mine. I know it's for his grandmother or whatever, but I don't think they should allow guys to add extra last names. Sorry, but he's Maurice Drew to me, and London Fletcher is London Fletcher to me.

179
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:44pm

Wow. Thats pretty radical.

180
by Marko (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:44pm

Parcells should have just called timeout.

181
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:44pm

thats the second cover-your-eyes bad referee call

182
by Bill (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:45pm

So, on the completion-penalty exchange, they lose five yards, but get the first down, *and save 20 seconds*. Not bad.

183
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:45pm

Wow.

What happened to the Dallas D?

184
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:46pm

Jamal Jones? Nonsense. It was Karney in disguise.

185
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:46pm

It helps my team, but I think that's a silly rule. I guess I understand it, but still.

And as I type this, TOUCHDOWN!!!

Jamal Jones. Yes, a who dat WR. He of the flowing dreds.

186
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:46pm

This is gonna be a terrific press conference with Parcells after the game.

187
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:47pm

Drew Brees has 28 attempts at halftime.

Are the Saints the NFL's first "Madden" team in terms of roster and gameplay?

188
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:47pm

So we get Karney and Jones scoring today.

Ladies and Gentlemen, meet your fantasy football killers, the New Orleans Saints.

There's a reason we say, "Who Dat!"

189
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:47pm

174

True. Then there DeAngelo Williams and Laurence Maroney that have at least shown some promise in limited action.

190
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:48pm

Madden thinks that the 'boys need to get Owens involved.

Gee, with 30 seconds remaining, I was going to suggest that the Cowboys just take a dump on the field.

Thank you John Madden.

191
by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:48pm

I predict Michael Lewis will be the next Saints special teamer to catch a pass in this game.

192
by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:49pm

That should be, "catch a TD pass."

193
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:49pm

So I have Colston on my FF team and he has yet to score...I hate Jamal Jones.

194
by MLA (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:49pm

I agree the rule is excessive, but I see the point of not letting coaches abuse the challenge flag. After all, what happens if Parcells throwing the challenge flag would've been what delayed the play long enough for a booth review? That certainly wouldn't be fair to the Saints. So long as the rule was well-publicized with coaches, I think it's a fair one, although I don't think it should be 15 yards and a first down (maybe 10 yards, no automatic first down???).

195
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:50pm

191: A Beer Man TD would be sweet.

196
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:50pm

New Orleans offense is for real. Dew Brees makes this team come alive. Poor Saints fans. This is a vision of what they could have had these past five years if they had just substituted a quarterback for whatever Aaron Brooks was playing.

197
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:50pm

theres a J owens (a TE!) on the stats sheet but no TO sighting on the stat sheet!

198
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:50pm

Talk about your late flag...

199
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:51pm

196: Don't say that name in my presence.

200
by Harris (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:51pm

That's taunting?! The pussification of the NFL continues.

201
by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:51pm

What the hell was Romo thinking trying to take off running there? Way to waste a time out.

202
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:52pm

Reminding Saints fans of Aaron Brooks should be considered taunting.

Oh, wait, did I type that out loud?

203
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:53pm

Can't the refs ignore a red flag thrown after the two minute warning? They don't have to stop the game to ignore a red flag.

204
by Marko (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:53pm

"I know it’s for his grandmother or whatever, but I don’t think they should allow guys to add extra last names. Sorry, but he’s Maurice Drew to me, and London Fletcher is London Fletcher to me."

It's actually for Jones-Drew's grandfather, and I'm pretty sure that's his legal name and has been for a while (perhaps since birth). He started using "Jones-Drew" rather than "Drew" on his uniform last year at UCLA, sometime toward the end of the season.

205
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:54pm

Getting Grammatica for Vanderjerk was good, no?

206
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:54pm

Looking at Gametracker, they say that the humidity is 93%. Obviously, the Saints are playing well because they feel at home.

207
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:55pm

Ah Grammatica, good to see you again old friend.

208
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:55pm

BP's love affair with kickers continue ...

209
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:55pm

"Identity" looks stupid.

210
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:56pm

205 - yes, still.

Missing a field goal in the first half when you're down big isn't as bad as missing one with the game on the line in the closing seconds.

211
by MLA (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:56pm

#203:
You are probably right, in which case it isn't nearly as serious an offense. However, I still think coaches shouldn't be throwing the red flags when they aren't supposed to (and given the state of NFL refereeing, I can see it being a problem when some dumb official stops the game when he wasn't supposed to, allowing time for a booth review that shouldn't have happened)

212
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:56pm

I don't know what NBC was doing after the penalty on Parcells. It was clearly a first dow,, but the screen said 3rd & 20 (after the penalty), and then Michaels said it was 3rd & 5. Dunno what they're doing.

I think a lot of fantasy buffs are thinking "WHO DAT?" tonight, when looking at the scoring breakdown.

Sucks for me. I'm in the playoffs and have Devery Henderson and Deuce McAllister. But I'll be happy if the Saints win at all.

213
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:56pm

I'm still trying to figure out the point in time where our society turned into a bunch of "everybody wins" and "no trash talking allowed" wussbags.

I'm sorry, but what Mike Mckenzie just did should not draw a flag.

214
by James C (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:57pm

Did anyone else see the paranoid glances Parcells threw at Payton toward the end of the half? Seemed a bit rattled to me.

215
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:58pm

RE: 188

dammit! I swear I thought of that first, but I was glued to the TV and couldn't escape to post it.

Great minds think alike. :)

216
by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:59pm

Martin Grammatica is 90% less likely to give Parcell's heartburn through ego and low production/cost.

217
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/10/2006 - 11:59pm

213: youth soccer leagues.

218
by morganja (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:00am

When they made a bloodless lawyer intern football commissioner. They really need to bring in someone from the outside to represent the fans as well as the owners.

219
by NF (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:01am

Has Romo looked as bad as his stats?

220
by chrisv (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:02am

212: 3d and 5 was the correct call. There was an offensive PI on first down so it was 2nd and 20, and then on 2nd and 20 the catch drop and official review happened.

221
by Harris (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:02am

My god, that Toyota commercial was every bit as insufferagle as Mellancamp's. Why do car companies hate football fans?

222
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:04am

#220:
But wasn't the penalty 15 yards and an automatic first down? It seemed confusing, as they changed their minds, but I thought this is what Michaels finally claimed.

223
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:04am

221: Support mass transit. That's the only solution.

224
by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:05am

RE: 220

It was not the correct call. The call on Parcells was an automatic first down.

225
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:06am

Come to think of it, are there any 15-yard penalties that don't include an automatic first down? (Obviously, I'm excluding 15 yard penalties against the offense)

226
by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:07am

haha, I don't own a car. I'm sticking it to the car manufacturers! (at least I like to think I am)
I'm pleased that Dallas didn't get any points because of that stupid 15 yard taunting penalty.

227
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:08am

This is our mass transit system.

228
by chrisv (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:08am

maybe you guys are right ... I forgot about the automatic first down...

229
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:08am

Tina Fey is kinda hot. Bill Parcells isn't.

230
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:09am

Al Michaels is furious.

231
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:09am

Free Al Michaels! Nice rant.

232
by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:10am

I agree with Al Michaels about the stupid pyrotechnics.

Colston has cramps, will return

233
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:11am

It's great to hear Michaels get pissed off.

And to hear the Ramones in the background.

234
by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:11am

Strong commentary by Michaels re: smoke during halftime shows. I completely agree.

235
by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:13am

Now, if we could only do something about stupid "entertainment" during halftime of the Super Bowl, Thanksgiving Day games, Orange Bowl, etc.

236
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:13am

Is Barber hurt?

237
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:14am

235

Must be some way we can have Jessica Simpson, not Janet Jackson, flash us her tits?

238
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:15am

Nice stand after giving up the big play.

239
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:17am

Okay just take that Nissan Titan ad, and put in the "our country" ad in the part they fast forward to.

That is what advertisers think...

240
by Harris (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:17am

Re: #237

Speak for yourself; Janet can flash me anything she wants. And given her well-documented attraction to hideous men, I have a chance with her. There's no way in hell I'm as ugly as Jermaine Dupree. She'd be trading up.

241
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:18am

I think the NFL should hire the Ramones for Halftime shows.

Mr. Burns: Ah, these young musicians shall sooth my jagged nerves.

Mr. Smithers: Here is a young group that i'm sure is going to go far......ladies and gentlemen, the Ramones!

Joey Ramone: We'd just like to say that this gig sucks.

Johnny Ramone: YEAH, UP YOURS SPRINGFIELD!

moments later...

Mr. Burns: Have the Rolling Stones killed.

Mr. Smithers: But sir, that wasn't...

Mr. Burns: DO AS I SAY!

242
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:18am

239: Or Nissan could fast-forward through the This is Our Country commercial to get to the Nissan commercial. That would be awesome.

243
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:19am

Holy Reggie Bush, Batman!

244
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:19am

I'm buying a Karney jersey.

244
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:19am

Okay, that was why he was drafted #2.

246
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:20am

WOW.

247
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:20am

Reggie looks like Jonny Rogers or Irving Fryar at Nebraska.

248
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:20am

This just in: Reggie's adjusted to the league.

249
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:20am

Flashes of his USC days on that play!

250
by foos (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:20am

Reggie may suck between the tackles, but he really is dynamite in the open field.

251
by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:21am

Reggie Bush has looked GREAT the last two weeks (aside from that moronic decision on the punt return). I wonder what took him so long.

251
by Harris (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:21am

Clearly Michaels is just swigging straight from the bottle at this point.

253
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:21am

Al Michaels is crazy tonight.

254
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:21am

Bush with a sick TD!

That's the first time in a while Michaels has made a comment where he's actually taken any stance on something. Way to take a stand, Al!

255
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:22am

240

Deal. You get Janet, I get Jessica. After all, after this game Romo won't be such a hot commodity anymore...

Can I get a Bush/Karney jersey?

256
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:22am

I think that Reggie hit the rookie wall in reverse, or something like that.

257
by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:22am

I wonder how Texans fans feel after seeing that play, a few hours after seeing Vince Young's overtime TD run beat them. I guess they'll have a lot of years to think about that.

258
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:22am

Has he lost his mind? Can he see or is he blind?

Oh, sorry, this is the FOMB, not a Nissan ad.

259
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:24am

The one part of the Saints I don't like in this game is the special teams? How many return yards do the Cowboys have so far? It seems like a lot.

260
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:24am

Re: 256

Right. Only, not the same kind of rookie reverse as when I backed my mom's car into my dad's truck. A good kind.

261
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:25am

260: Yes, the good kind.

262
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:25am

257: Dude, that's just wrong. Don't taunt like that.

263
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:26am

Talk about your luck throws...

264
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:26am

What do you do on 4th down? knock it down!

265
by B (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:27am

No matter how good they play, they're still the Aints.

266
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:27am

Romo just looks terrible tonight.

This is his 7th game, no? I wonder what the performance for QBs looks like after their first 7 games. You know, after the Defensive coordinators get tape on them.

Nevermind, Dallas just scored.

267
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:27am

The Football Gods smile upon the Cowboys.

268
by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:28am

Nice play by Fred Thomas. Knock it down!

269
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:28am

Is McDonalds even attempting to sell food to guys anymore? Have they just surrendered that segment of the fast-food market to Hardees?

270
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:28am

I was going to say that it was luck, but it happened against Fred Thomas...

271
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:28am

I saw the highlights of Vinces TD run and it sounded like an extremely loud cheer, considering the Texans just lost the freakin' game.

I found that odd, mainly because you'd assume people in Houston wouldn't be all that crazy about the Titans (seeing as how they were the former Oilers and left).

Are TExans fans that bitter? Already? Being a Pittsburgh Pirates fan I understand the frustration of rooting for a hopeless franchise that makes bad moves like Aunt Jemima makes syrup (I don't even know what that means)......but hell, i'd never cheer for an Aramis Ramirez homerun against the Pirates just because we gave him away and should still have him.

Crazy. Get over it Houston. No sense in crying over broken eggs.

What?

272
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:29am

McDonalds sells food? Is that what they're trying to pass that stuff off as?

273
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:30am

This game is making Jaws sound even more prescient than normal ... at least in his analysis of Romo's performance the past few weeks.

Tony Romo has the gunslinger mentality, and he’s starting to get loose with the football. When you have nothing but success — even when you do things wrong — you get bad habits. Not to alarm anyone, but the name “Rex Grossman� came up. Romo was missing open guys, and making near-impossible throws into tight coverage, but it didn’t hurt him as much as it should have because the Giants’ mistakes outweighed Romo’s mistakes. They think he’s a good player, but Jaws and Cosell believe that at some point soon, Romo will have a very bad game.

274
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

Great pass.

275
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

Mike Karney time!

276
by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

#271:
I think it was probably more about cheering a former Texas player than rooting against your team or wishing for what might have been, although I could be wrong. Having lived in Texas, I can tell you that UT is pretty huge down there.

277
by kevinNYC (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

Roy Williams burnt for a deep pass...

have we heard that before?

278
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

Re: 269

Feh, that is, if Hardees was out there is force live McD's. Where I live in MA, and where I go to college in Maine, there's only Mickey D's, Burger King, and Wendy's. Sometimes Taco Bell. Never Hardee's.

I'll live, but I'm bitter.

Nice play by Henderon.

279
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:32am

Seriously, I have to consider the Saints the favorites in the NFC to go to the superbowl at this point.

280
by IllegalLeaping (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:33am

Does Roy Williams get royalties whenever anyone else in the league horse collars someone?

281
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:33am

NOOOO talk about robbing my fantasy points...

282
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:34am

Re: 279

The NFC play-offs will certainly be unpredictable, but I'm not going to pick against an NFC team with a guy like Brees at QB. Especially if Reggie Bush's figured out how to play with the big kids.

283
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:35am

279:

I'm really not prepared for that. OK, mentally, I am. Surprisingly, I don't think that my liver is.

284
by Harris (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:35am

C'mon, that's another Karney TD. With his deceptive speed and throwback toughness, he's rapidly becoming a fan favorite.

285
by Gus (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:36am

HenderSon, not Henderon, is what I meant to type. This keyboard's "s" key is really annoying.

286
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:36am

271: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Vince Young is from Houston...

287
by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:36am

279-

If the Saints defense can play at an average level, I think they can take anyone in the NFC. They're clobbering the Cowboys on the road. Sure, going to Chicago could be scary, but the Bears can't really scorch the Saints D.

I'm really impressed with their offense. They know they can't run well, so they don't bother with "establishing the run" and instead take advantage of Brees at QB and his ability to find anyone that's open.

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:37am

Mike Karney: 3 touchdowns!!!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:37am

Karney with the hat trick.

FFHOF.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:37am

257 - I'm a Texans fan, and as of yet I have no regrets about drafting Williams. Sure, he has yet to tear the league up, but few first year ends do, especially ones who come out as young and raw as he did. His physical potential is obscene, and he's showed plenty of development over the course of the season. Young looks like a good player, but given the continued awfulness of the Houston offensive line (especially since Wiegert and Flanagan went down), I've been very happy with Carr's play this season. Bush has looked outstanding as a receiver, but he's yet to do anything taking hand-offs. If Williams becomes a truly elite DE, he will have been the right pick almost regardless of what Bush and Young do.

Do not doubt the might of Karney!

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by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:37am

I thought that the "Flex Games" were the games officiated by Ed Hoculi.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:37am

sigh... Karnay with 3 tds, Pinner with 3... never been so robbed in my life...

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by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:38am

That's three TDs for Karney! And with the Saints up 35-17, all is right in the world again.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:38am

#44 in his 44th career game gets 3 tds. he had never had a td before

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by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:38am

Freaking Karney.

He wins the Mike Alstott Award for most goaline touchdown steals by a white FB.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:39am

Can we get Karney into the fantasy football hall of fame as a last-minute write-in?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:39am

Where is Mike Karney from, and when is his hometown having a parade in his honor?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:40am

what the hell are the Saints doing? onside kick?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:40am

Just when it couldn't get worse for Dallas...

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by MLA (not verified) :: Mon, 12/11/2006 - 12:40am

Now that was a bizarre play call. Seriously, why risk it?!?