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Week 15 Thu/Sat Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the first two games of Week 15: Seattle-San Francisco (Thursday) and Dallas-Atlanta (Saturday). There will be a second thread for the Sunday afternoon games, and a third thread for the Sunday and Monday night games.

Please ask your fantasy football start/bench and waiver wire questions in the discussion thread for Scramble for the Ball.


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Comments

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:21pm

It's already pretty miserable here but the wind might hold off until after the game. That would be huge for the Hawks.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:25pm

It's going to not be insane winds for the next few hours; the winds will only be in the 25-30 mph range. That's still not great, but it's much better than the 40-70 forecast after 11PM tonight.

Still don't know if Hass is going to have a good game. My suspicion is that regardless, Alexander will have the bigger game and Hass will not, simply because DJax is gone. But I've been wrong before.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:43pm

They said they might delay kickoff.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:55pm

The wind is definitely picking up. I've also had my first flicker of power.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:57pm

Game has been suspended.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 9:59pm

Oh come on. Play before the wind kicks in.

The road that runs by the stadium is completely flooded.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:01pm

Announced just said "Sleahawks"

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:11pm

When they say someone "runs downhill", they will mean it this game...

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by MSZ (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:11pm

I have Survivor and the Office taking up both tuners on the DVR. I'm sort of hoping this delay takes a bit so I don't miss too much of the game.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:14pm

Why exactly did they decide against a dome in Seattle?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:15pm

False start on a running back? Don't see that often.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:15pm

One of the major roads from Seattle to the suburbs is a floating bridge that is going to be closed at some point tonight as they have to open the drawbridge to prevent wind damage. We might be looking at the worst post game traffic since... well... MNF in the snow a few weeks back.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:16pm

Alex Smith is having noticible problems gripping the ball.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:17pm

10 - I'll never understand that. I used to have season tickets in the Kingdome days.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:17pm

Don't drop the soap!

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:17pm

Well, I lived in Seattle for years, and the snow a few weeks ago and this rain and wind are rather unusual (maybe snowed 3-4 times in 6 years, and rain was rarely more than a drizzle. I'm sure they didn't think this would happen when the chose to go open.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:17pm

Nate Burleson--your early nominee for KCWA. What a bonehead move. SF had numerous chances to recover the ball.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:17pm

DON'T DO THAT TONIGHT!

Scary moment for a Hawks fan.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:19pm

I can't believe he didn't fair catch that. That's amazingly boneheaded.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:20pm

Haha, Chris Collinsworth just said that Mr. Chunky Soup likes to wet balls! What am I, 12, to find this humerous?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:22pm

In all seriousness, Hasslebeck looks more comfortable throwing the ball than Alex Smith. Maybe its years of NFL experience or something. The ball is coming out much smoother at the point of release for Seattle.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:22pm

I just saw a picture of the storm on http://www.komotv.com/ ... and it has an eye!

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:25pm

Another poor throw by Smith. It looks to be a long night for Frank Gore.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:31pm

Heh. If Seattle or SF gets stopped - do they even bother to go for the FG? Or is it basically automatic to go for it within FG range? Guess we'll find out.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:32pm

Deon Branch's neon green gloves are on the verge of awesome and horrific.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:34pm

A friend of mine set the O/U on drops by the Seahawks at 6. We're at 2 now.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:41pm

What should we set the O/U at for bad Alex Smith passes? Maybe 7? At some point he just won't be allowed to throw anymore.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:42pm

linked in my name is a site where you can listen to the game (requires wmp).

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:42pm

Anyone got any places where you can watch the thing?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:44pm

30: I have NFLN, courtesy of Comcast Digital Cabal.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:44pm

The Hawks DO have the wind right now, so I'm not that confident that this will last.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:47pm

Alexander's streak of games with a 10 yard run is one of the more worthless statistics. Seattle with more crazy fumble recorvery luck.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:48pm

TD Seattle. Game. Over.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:48pm

Well we had horrid fumble recovery luck on Sunday so maybe it's just evening out.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:53pm

Cable just went out again. I think some of the strong gusts are starting to hit here in Everett. And the Niners aren't out of it yet. If nothing else the TD gave them better field position.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:53pm

Have the 9ers made a first down yet?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:55pm

"there is no foul on the play, the flag just dropped out"

RE: 29

Get Sopcast. Click my name. Then go to streamednfl.blogspot.com

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:56pm

36 - not yet *knock on wood*

I have cable, a dish, and an antenna. Somehow I should be able to watch the game I hope.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:56pm

Alex Smith is short-arming passes and looks very uncomfortable tonight.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:56pm

It's back now. No 1st downs yet for the Niners. I think that last pass to Davis should count as a bad pass. Low and thrown to a guy at the LOS on 3rd and 3.

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by Vince (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 10:59pm

I've lived in the Seattle area for about 30 1/2 years of my 30 years on this planet. Of the top 5 or 6 worst weather days I've ever seen have been in the past two weeks, with the Seahawks playing at home in prime time.

SO STOP SCHEDULING THE SEAHAWKS FOR PRIME TIME. PLEASE.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:03pm

RE: 30

And?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:04pm

Blocked punt!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:05pm

Great play by Keith Lewis. Unfortunately, I don't think I get fantasy points for that.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:07pm

Smith is having trouble adjusting to the differing winds. He was underthrowing into the wind and now is overthrowing with it.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:09pm

5 straight 3 and outs for the Niners. Do they keep records on that sort of thing?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:10pm

I _really_ shouldn't have dumped Hackett for Engram. Damn.

Is he the only one that's remotely open?

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by Jim (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:13pm

Who blocked a punt? Gamecast mentions nothing.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:15pm

42: I was responding to the poster who asked if anyone received the broadcast.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:16pm

Make that 6. Why are the 9ers calling passes? As in, at all?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:18pm

Andy Lee has had a great game.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:22pm

RE: 49

The poster knew people get the NFL Network. Everyone knows that. He was asking if anyone knew of a way he could watch it.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:23pm

RE: 48

Keith Lewis came through and deflected it. Gamecenter does mention it, actually.
It was not a designed block. Simply a great individual play.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:24pm

52: Oh, I misread the question.

I dunno how someone without the NFLN can watch it, unless that person lives in Canada or the UK.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:25pm

GREAT PLAY!

1st and goal for Seattle. This is ugly.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:26pm

RE: 54

You know, you could've read what I posted. ;)

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:26pm

Huh. Well, so far that whole wind thing doesn't seem to have affected Hass hugely. He doesn't have the best stats ever, but he's doing okay in the first half.

The 49ers though...wow. 38 total yards?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:26pm

Clearly a drop.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:26pm

Damn, will be reversed.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:26pm

Oh, and Sid - that didn't work, I get an 'invalid channel' when I use that URL.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:27pm

One of the things that makes Chris Collinsworth a great analyst is that he shuts up when the play starts so Gumbell can do the play by play.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:29pm

And just when Stevens was getting in a groove.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:29pm

so has anyone else noticed the jack cheese (slice of cheese as opposed to that orange plastic cheese-flavoured sauce) in the wendys double melt commercials isn't melting, despite it being between a presumably hot burger and said cheese-flavoured sauce?

maybe they made that advertising choice to differentiate the cheese slice from the cheese sauce, but they also assured i wouldn't buy one. that's just weird.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:30pm

RE: 60

You mean you already downloaded the program and the channel doesn't work? It should. If not, there'd be a hue and cry in the blog comments.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:30pm

I voted for Plackenmeier for the Pro-Bowl. So far tonight, I'm feeling pretty good about that. That touchback was all on the coverage.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:30pm

63 you know most food in comercials is plastic and has makeup all over you don't you?

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by Jim (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:31pm

Kal you have to go to the website in your browser, and then click on the link to the sopcast.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:31pm

Don't try the burger unless you really like 7-11 nacho cheese. It was somewhat unpleasant.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:32pm

1st down 9ers!

Seriously,they should just hand off to Gore every single down.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:33pm

huge fight

babineaux and herndon were roughing up gore, whistle didn't blow, 49ers sideline started a brawl.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:33pm

RE: 61

One of the things that makes Chris Collinsworth a great analyst is that he shuts up when the play starts so Gumbell can do the play by play.

Actually, that's what makes him a horrible analyst in this case.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:33pm

66 yeah of course, and most flowers in nicer establishments of all stripe are fake, but the makers of those good fake flowers have gone to some trouble to differentiate their product from low end cheap-ass plastic flowers.

i've seen non-fake-looking plastic cheese before.

as recently as my last mcdonalds visit, in fact.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:36pm

RE: 69

Only because Alex Smith sucks.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:37pm

Apparently Al Gore plays for the 49ers, according to Gumbel. Whoops.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:38pm

Re: 73

Sucks, but improving. Slowly...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:38pm

WOW!

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:40pm

73 - Yup, that's pretty much what I was getting at.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:40pm

And yes, fake punt RB direct snap rules.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:41pm

You know these announcers actually are good. How odd.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:42pm

Does anyone not think that a Chris Collinsworth/Marv Albert broadcast team would easily be the best in football?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:46pm

They're actually going to get themselves out of field goal range. Un-frickin-believable.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:46pm

2nd and goal from the 27.

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:47pm

Great run by Smith. Would have been really close to a TD if not for the holding penalty.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:47pm

i dont always agree with collinsworth, but i really dig his work anyway

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:48pm

Thank God for that. Man I hate the 'Hawks.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:52pm

haha 'american pie presents' is the new national lampoon. comedy is so fscked these days.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:53pm

Gore looks pretty good, but hes getting mugged in the backfield.

Alex Smith is throwing the ball like a 10 year old throws a full size ball

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by JC (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:54pm

I knew this game would be a FF team killer. At the half, Alexander has the only TD, and Hackett has 73 yds rec, and that's about it.

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by Jim (not verified) :: Thu, 12/14/2006 - 11:57pm

Glad I removed Hasselbeck and Brown from my lineup because of the weather report. Now that I've typed this I expect a big second half out of both of them.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:00am

but it *doesn't* melt, commercial voiceover dude, that's the problem

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:05am

i totally dig that bryant gumbel just asked that question.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:06am

Wow, talking about if they should be having the games... That's integrity.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:10am

I think the wind held that one up :/

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:15am

Hawks defense came up huge there. Right after a pick, the 9ers got 9 on their first down play. They handed it to Gore twice and then punted. That's the D I was looking for this year.

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by JC (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:18am

The Hawks were expecting the run, it looked like they had the whole D within 3 yds of the LOS.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:23am

That kick should be challenged.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:24am

I rewound it on the tivo and the defender did touch it with a foot on the line.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:27am

was peterson pissed at the dt for missing that catch, or was he just pumped up after making the play?

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:30am

One thing the announcers haven't mentioned is the direction of the wind. It seems to be going in the direction that the 9ers are going now.

If the Hawks keep the lead and have the wind for the 4th, it'll help.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:31am

How the hell was that not intentional grounding?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:33am

man, its no wonder seattle fans won't give stevens a break what with the broadcast team mentioning how local fans hate him *every time stevens touches the ball*

i mean at that point the 12th man is just following the script, right?

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:33am

100 - the same way it wasn't pass interference I guess.

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by JC (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:36am

Does anyone else think that punt hit the returner, TD Seahawks?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:40am

Seems to me like the Seahawks punt coverage unit is cutting it much too fine - taking risks to try and down the ball at the 1 when they could quite easily guarantee getting it down somewhere inside the 5.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:41am

Ok the wind is finally switching back. Let's see if that makes a difference.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:41am

In other sporting news, England are trying very hard indeed to throw away yet another good position at the WACA. Pillocks.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:41am

pretty nice throw, smith to battle, 54 yards, but four times out of five he gets smoked for standing in the pocket with that much pressure around him

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:45am

collinsworth: "they're just not cleaning up their backsides on these plays"

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:49am

Two bad plays all game and we're losing. The Hawks' season in a nutshell.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:50am

Niners take lead... the Seahawks cannot let this one get away from them...

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:50am

Ludicrous. Just ludicrous.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:51am

The penalty, that is.

Well, and the scoreline. I'm betting the Seahawks have much higher DVOA to this point.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:54am

I think that penalty is pretty lame. Nice return by Burleson though.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:54am

113.

Seriously. Vernon Davis puts his foot on the pylon, and its a penalty.

THe entire Chargers team carries LT around for like 10 minutes in the end zone, and thats not?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:55am

QB Sneak.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:56am

He didn't get it.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:57am

That stop might be the season for the Hawks right there :/

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:57am

holy crap. the seahawks look awful tonight.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:58am

How in the hell are the Seahawks losing this game?

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:59am

[91 & 92] Sorry I am late to the party, but what did Gumbel say/ask? I am curious.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:04am

120: he asked if the uninspired performances we've seen on Thursday Night Football this year were caused by the short weeks teams have to prep.

also, earlier, the seahawks looked like a 'back into the super bowl this year, as opposed to looking like a super bowl team last year'. now i can't imagine them playing past the wild card round.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:05am

I was wondering if Gore would begin to start finding some room if they kept running it long enough... looks like it a little now...

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:05am

Right now I'm happy if we even make the playoffs.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:05am

Thanks [121]

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:06am

I know you're trying to burn clock, but...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:07am

Wow. Now that's gotta be the season in a nutshell....

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:07am

You have got to be kidding me...

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by Felden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:08am

What a play!

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by David Ferrier (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:08am

OMG!!!

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:08am

I didn't want the playoffs anyway...

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by black (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:08am

Got home just in time to see Alex Smith avoid the sack, scramble out and hit the open receiver and throw the td to gore.

I love thursday night football.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:08am

Who was it that didn't wrap up Smith?

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by queequeg (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:09am

can someone tell me what happened on the gore td, i'm trying to follow on the web

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:09am

is that derek bell i just saw on the seattle sideline?

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by David Ferrier (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:09am

what? you can't sack me!

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by JC (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:10am

The Niners play the Saints, and the Hawks get the Bucs as their last game. It'd be really hard for them to miss the playoffs. But with the crazy year the NFL has been having...

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by JC (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:11am

I meant Broncos, in Denver. The Saint already slaughtered the Niners.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:11am

Game over.

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by David Ferrier (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:12am

INTERCEPTION! game.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:12am

The 9ers already played the Saints (and got thrashed). Their remaining games are ARI and @DEN.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:12am

it looks like a reasonable pi call but that's an awful throw by hasselbeck even so.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:14am

And yes, thank you very much, screw you Kurt Cobain and all your filthy city.

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by Felden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:16am

The Niners still would need a lot of luck to steal the NFC West (Both the win in Denver and Tampa beating Seattle seem pretty unlikely)....but they're still alive.

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by mike (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:16am

I see the colts defense has taken the field...

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:18am

glad i started hasselbeck instead of rivers... 1 pt for me yeehaw

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by Gus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:19am

17-7 Niners in the fourth?! Man am I glad I picked the Niners on my blog. Did the wind turn out to be as bad as advertised?

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by Josh (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:20am

WOW.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:20am

That was quite possibly the best playfake I have EVER seen.

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by oljb (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:20am

Sweet... Sweet...

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:20am

Damn.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

Genius. Fricking genius.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

hahahahaha this is the most pathetic display i've seen since chicago when they beat arizona

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

Now that's a bootleg.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

Did that Alex Smith bootleg really happen? That was gorgeous.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

Could someone describe that A.Smith touchdown run. I am only following on sportsline.

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by black (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:21am

Butt naked bootleg for the touchdown

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:23am

18 yard bootleg huh? Wow.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:23am

154

Seriously. I've never see anything like that.

Playfake totally got everyone, and there was absolutely no one on that side of the field. THe Camera man didnt even know Smith had the ball until he held it up in the air as he went into the endzone.

Burleson is doing a pretty damn good job returning kicks though.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:23am

Smith faked the handoff, every single Seahawk bit so hard they practically swallowed the reel, and he ambled in without a defender coming within five yards, ball held aloft.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:24am

I'm starting Alex Smith in fantasy. Rarely has such a terrible idea turned out so well! Hahahaha!

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:24am

DAMN! that was some hit.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:25am

Was it better than the 80 yard Grbac run a few years back?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:26am

162 - technically no. But it sure looked like it could have gone at least another 30 yards. Smith wasn't even running full speed once he saw how fooled they were.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:26am

smith fakes handoff to halfback on bootleg, he's jogging and has to hold up the ball so people will see he has it at around the 10 yd line. everyone on the d bit. tatupu was closest defensive player and he was half a ballfield away.

i don't actually think that was a great fake... what that play tells me is that the defense is just abdicating all responsibility for the outcome of this game.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:27am

I, on the other hand, started him last week ahead of Rivers and cut him this. I claim sole credit for this result, and the ensuing survival of the attempt to make the 2006 San Francisco 49ers the worst playoff team in league history.

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:28am

Seriously. I’ve never see anything like that.

Steve Bono weeps.

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by JC (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:28am

He practically walked it in, and the one Seahawk within 30 yds was still 10 yds away when he got to the endzone. It could've been a 90 yd TD, Smith had that much space.

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:29am

Was it better than the 80 yard Grbac run a few years back?

Steve Bono weeps again.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:29am

164.

The Fake fooled me, and the camera man.

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by asg (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:29am

It is a law of nature... if a QB I face in fantasy football faces a hopeless endgame, he WILL score a garbage TD.

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by Josh (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:31am

That bootleg was the single worst defensive play I have ever seen in all my years as a football fan. The entire Seattle defense was between the hashmark and the sideline opposite Smith's run.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:34am

And, my "stone cold lock, book it, bet the mortgage on it" claim of the 49ers hitting the over after their preseason game versus the Bears comes true.

Oh yeah.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:35am

did you actually bet the mortgage pat?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:38am

I know this is of absolutely no interest to anyone else on this thread, or indeed probably any other FO poster apart from Ilanin, but I need a space in which to vent my frustration at the unutterable shitness of England's lower middle order, and the idiocies of selection including, but not limited to, leaving Panesar out of the side for two tests, failing to recognise that with a spinner as good as Panesar only four bowlers are necessary and thus to select an extra batsman, leaving Ramprakash at home for being too old (this is the fricking Ashes. We hold them. That's the definition of win now mode) and letting Geraint Jones anywhere near a cricket pitch.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:42am

168 - You're right. I couldn't even remember right who it was.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:44am

did you actually bet the mortgage pat?

God, I should've. Figures that I don't trust my own damn research.

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by zip (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:49am

#174
CricketOutsiders.com!

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:56am

Where was Seattle ranked on DVOA this past week? :-)

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by Dave (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 2:03am

169: yeah, but ... well, i think the direct snap on the fake punt was at least as good execution-wise and i don't hear anyone calling it one of the best of the year

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 2:06am

ladies and gentlemen your 2006 NFC West champion Seattle Seahawks! Seriously now this is like the worst division since the 2004 NFC West :)

lollerskates

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by navin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 2:14am

Thanks Pat for showing just a little faith in San Fran. But tell me, why wasn't the preseason game against Chicago a good indicator for the regular season game against them?

Also for those wondering why SF's pass defense was reasonable tonight, Shawntae Spencer actually played tonight, giving SF two NFL caliber corners. Thankfully, Sammy Davis got put in IR last week.

Also, Kwame Harris is really, really bad.

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by Bill Barnwell :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 2:17am

I can assure you that I have attempted for several weeks now to try and work the plight of Monty Panesar into any of my columns with little success - the one piece I was able to get him into is now, sadly, delayed.

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by ChrisFromNJ (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 3:55am

An 8-8 division winner is a distinct possibility, two weeks from the end of the season. The entire division has nothing more impressive than a couple scattered wins against the 7-6 Broncos and Giants. And it's not like they've been powerhouses these past few years. Remove the '05 Seahawks, and it's all been this bad for three years running.

Methinks it's relegation time.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 4:25am

I kinda thought that the bootleg at the end was a dickish move on the part of the 49ers. The reason it fooled the defense was because, well, it wasn't necessary; if you don't score there and get a first down you can run out the clock and win without question. Calling a play like that, especially when the team was running so well and it was close to a first down anyway, was in my mind a way to run up the score.

It was a brilliant bootleg, but it was also really poor sportsmanship.

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by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 4:32am

Re: the niners' season O/U

Someone on one of the 49ers fansite forums posted a picture of their winning ticket on the season wins o/u. They bet $2,200 to win $2,000. impressive.

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by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 4:37am

"dickish move"

please, what do you want him to do, take a knee at the one? It was a third and eight.

Poor Sportsmanship? uh, no.

Brilliant play call? yes.

And it was Smith's call, the fake worked so well because even his own team didn't know he was bootlegging it.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 5:01am

#186: Yeah, it's poor sportsmanship. He could have simply gone to a knee after he got past the sticks - other smarter players have done that. He could have run it into the line, run another 40 seconds off, then on 4th and whatever (and knowing Seattle at that point, it'd been 4th and 4 or so) run again into the line, knock another 10 seconds off. Now Seattle's got 19 seconds, no time outs, and are down by 10 points. Most notably, they aren't actively pissed off at the other team and aren't likely to cheapshot anyone.

The sportsman move and the move most likely to lead to victory (not that it wasn't likely after scoring, but) is to get the first down and then slide. There is no way for Seattle to get the ball back at this point, no way for them to stop the clock, and the game can be done. No chances of injuries or fines from the league.

If that was Alex Smith's call and not Nolan's, well, Alex Smith is a bad sportsman, and somewhere down the line he's going to suffer for this play.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 5:36am

RE: 145

Garbage time TD for ya. ;)

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by queequeg (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 6:22am

187: i disagree.

Also, we have no idea what incentives are in his contract and whether or not they pertain to rushing totals/tds.

many said shaun alexander showed poor sportsmanship when he claimed he was "stabbed in the back", missing out on the rushing title in 04, but again, his contract has an incentive for being the rushing leader

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by Mike (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 7:35am

Any Given Thursday: Seahawks over Seahawks.

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by Gerry (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 9:54am

"If that was Alex Smith’s call and not Nolan’s, well, Alex Smith is a bad sportsman, and somewhere down the line he’s going to suffer for this play."

Dude, I think you should spend a little less time worrying about the supposed bad sportsmanship of running a bootleg in that situation, and a little more about the bad sportsmanship of whining without good reason.

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by Rick (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 10:17am

Post #33 is really funny to read on the morning after.

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by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 11:08am

Calling a play like that, especially when the team was running so well and it was close to a first down anyway, was in my mind a way to run up the score.

When your team has its first opportunity to run up the score in three years (against a team that has posted scores against you like 41-3, 42-27, 34-0), run it up, I say.

I detect a bit of sour grapes.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 11:36am

RE:#193

Bingo. I think I'd be willing to cut the 49ers some slack here.

Speaking of poor sportsmanship, what's up with the Seahawks scoring a TD with 9 seconds left? What, you are now going to score 10 points in 9 seconds?

It works both ways, people.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 11:40am

Thanks Pat for showing just a little faith in San Fran. But tell me, why wasn’t the preseason game against Chicago a good indicator for the regular season game against them?

As I've said elsewhere, it should be noted that the SF/CHI pair is one of the largest outliers in that entire data set.

But it did tell us something about the 49ers, which is what that article was really trying to say - "if you believe in the regular season, you should believe in the preseason". It told us that the 49ers offense wasn't going to be God-awful wretched like it was last year.

That's why I said they were a lock for the over - a solid improvement from their offense (not to good, just to "mediocre/bad") with that schedule was a lock for more than 4 wins.

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by navin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 12:20pm

SF is ridiculously inconsistent overall. Part of it is all the youth on offense, and part of it is the lack of depth that gets exposed by injuries.

We saw the first point last night in the difference between the first three quarters and the fourth quarter. Even in the first Seattle game, SF went up 20-0, and then let the offense go into the tank.

The lack of depth applies more on defense than offense, especially in the secondary and maybe with the linebackers. When Spencer went down and Sammy Davis came in, teams immediately started picking on him, and SF had to go to a soft zone to compensate. Derek Smiths injury hurt the tackling as well, that's why teams have run better lately.

Hopefully Nolan addresses this in the offseason. I think if he brings in some decent linebackers and maybe a cover corner and a safety, SF can be a legit 8-8 team next year. Unfortunately the 6 or 7 wins this year are going to really raise expectations without others really understanding just how bad the NFC West is.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:18pm

#196: Wait, how are 6-7 wins going to raise expectations such that 8-8 is a disappointment? 8-8 is pretty close to challenging for the playoffs. I mean, they went from 4-12 to something like 6-10 to 7-9 depending on how the season plays out. 8-8/9-7 seems like pretty consistent improvement.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:40pm

#194: That's kind of what I'm talking about. If he goes down and takes a knee, the game is over and both sides know it. Instead, it shows that the game is still 'on' and so everyone's now pushing to get another score because they're pissed and the game is clearly 'not over'.

I don't really care that much about the Hawks, honestly, so the sour grapes thing can go somewhere else. Just think about the possible outcomes and what the best outcome is for your team, and then think about your team having someone do that to them and what that team will think.

As to #191 - that's the nature of the game. If you're a QB who runs up the score to pad your stats, some defensive player down the road will do some payback. I'm not saying this like I want to hurt Alex Smith; I'm saying this as a fact of who plays in the NFL and who remembers. People don't like being made fools of.

It was still a great bootleg.

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by IzzionSona (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 1:57pm

RE: running the score up...

C'mon, it's not like these guys are playing the Turkey Bowl with all their out of shape relatives or something. These are all highly paid professional athletes, and the Seattle defense's job is to stop the other offenses from scoring. Period. If they can't do it at any given point of the game, it's their fault, not "running up the score" or "poor sportsmanship" by the other offense. I can see the complaint in backyard football, or high school/college football, especially where there's a disparity between the skill levels of the two teams (Florida 62-0 over Western Carolina, anyone), but in the NFL I think the basic assumption should be that any defense possesses the physical size, speed, and talent to stop the other offense from running up the score, and they don't deserve any sort of "mercy rule".

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 2:01pm

190 How could you possibly have an Any Given SUnday out of the NFC West. AGS features a bad team beating a good team...so you see right there...

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by navin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 4:17pm

I think once a team reaches 7-9, and this is what I'm expecting SF to hit this year, usually they shoot for the playoffs next year. So I think if they improve to a legit 8-8 next year, meaning they're between 15-20 in DVOA, people will still be disappointed even though the team is much improved because they only bumped their wins by 3.

I think last year that most fans understood how bad the team was, despite winning 4 games, because three of the four wins were against pretty bad teams. This year after sweeping Seattle, who's pretty bad but has a good reputation, I think that expectations will be high next year.

One other interesting note, SF has now outplayed their opponent in all five divisional games according to DVOA. This assumes that they did last night, which isn't too hard to imagine with Seattle recovering both of their own fumbles.

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by navin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 4:19pm

I agree that Alex Smith should not have scored. He should have ran it out at the one yard line and then SF could have run three kneeldown plays. I always enjoy watching a team end the game inside the opponents red zone.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 5:53pm

This assumes that they did last night, which isn’t too hard to imagine with Seattle recovering both of their own fumbles.

And, y'know, Shaun Alexander sucking massive eggs. Alexander's a leading candidate for "worst rushing DPAR" this week - he's almost definitely got it wrapped up for RBs with more than 20+ touches.

It's amazing exactly how bad Seattle's rush offense was last night. San Francisco's definitely picked up steam as the night went on.

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by MFurtek (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 8:29pm

Sounded like a fun game to watch. Thank you NFL Network...

I am wondering, will the same announcers do the Saturday night game?

Since there's no thread, what did you guys think of the Mora comments? As a person I feel like he's just being honest. Plenty of players probably feel, "I would love a chance to play for my hometown." As a professional I think his comments are out of bounds, but other professionals shouldn't be bothered by them.

ESPN was running wild this morning, even going so far as to say he should be fired and calling Mora an arrogant jerk who is media-unfriendly. His job isn't to be nice to the media however, it's to win games and make the playoffs.

To me this is similar to the stink made about Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame and Tiki Barber retiring... the media really looking to drum the story up.

We get it, Mora would love to coach at Washington. He did qualify his statements by saying, "I'd love to see Ty Willingham turn this around" and "If there was an opening and they asked me...".

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by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Fri, 12/15/2006 - 11:40pm

the really amazing thing about the Seahawks' rushing offense last night? The niners were in nickel almost the entire game.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 12:49am

"
[I]I agree that Alex Smith should not have scored. He should have ran it out at the one yard line and then SF could have run three kneeldown plays. I always enjoy watching a team end the game inside the opponents red zone. [/I]"

Guys, we've gone over this quite a few times. Coaches tell their players to score when theres open endzone. You dont want them thinking "maybe I shouldnt score" because eventually they'll kneel when they really should have gone in. When you have a chance, you put the ball in the damn endzone.

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by navin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 1:40am

I disagree Rich. What happens if you're up by one and the other team has no timeouts? As a player you absolutely have a understand the situation--kill the play as soon as you get a first down that ices the game.

Earlier on that drive Gore *slid* at the end of a 40 yard run, 1) to avoid a fumble, and 2) probably because he thought he had iced the game. If Gore knew this much, Alex Smith definitely should have understood the situation. The Niners are my team, but I'm still calling out Smith.

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by navin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 1:44am

And, y’know, Shaun Alexander sucking massive eggs. Alexander’s a leading candidate for “worst rushing DPAR� this week - he’s almost definitely got it wrapped up for RBs with more than 20+ touches.

I was making fun of him the whole game, commenting on how Gore was gaining 2-3 yards on similar situations as Alexander's -2 to -3 yards. The best part was when I said that he runs side to side too much for Seattle's current line, and then Morris came in , made one cut, and sped through the line for about 10 yards.

Seattle really should give Morris about 10 carries per game, but I guess they're afraid to piss of Shaun Alexander.

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by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 2:35am

Gore "slid" because he was being horsecollar tackled from behind and probably decided to go down easy rather than fight for extra yards and destroy his ankles. Plus, he was totally out of gas.

There was no defender within 10 yards of Smith on that bootleg. it would have been rude not to take it in.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 3:00am

209

I was gonna mention that. The defender grabbed the neck of his shoulder pads, and he slid. There was no thinking there. He was trying to not get his back broken.

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by MFurtek (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 4:16am

... and again some of us owe Ned an apology for his focus on the Seahawks in the earlier AGS. They've been winning by the hair on their whiskers this whole season, Alexander not good, defense average, Hasselbeck oddly average (could he be hurt?).

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by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 3:45pm

I disagree Rich. What happens if you’re up by one and the other team has no timeouts? As a player you absolutely have a understand the situation–kill the play as soon as you get a first down that ices the game.

That's an easy call to make from the couch, not so easy in the middle of 21 large angry men. Players have enough to worry about without how many timeout the opponent has, or overall strategy.

The answer is, as a coach, I would try to call a play that has little chance of scoring. Like a run up the middle.

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 7:44pm

So does anyone have news on the Dunn/Norwood/Griffith situation yet?

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by Truman (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 9:15pm

Dunn and Norwood both practised yesterday and I expect Dunn to start, but norwood is still in considerable doubt.

The selection of Monty Panesar wouldn't have made any difference to England's Ashes 'campaign.' The top order simply hasn't been performing as well as it has in the past, which is to be expected with Michael Vaughan and his near-50 average against the Aussies out injured.
Strauss has been the real disappointment of the tour.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 9:39pm

Norwood's out tonight. Dunn is in. Apparently TO also has some finger injury that will make him unable to bend his finger ever again.

That's really sad.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 9:55pm

Well, its hard to be overly sympathetic about TO's injury when he's chosen for the injury to end up that way rather than get it fixed in time.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 9:57pm

I wonder when was the last time I heard the Star Spangled Banner not get mangled.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:03pm

#216 - sorry, I didn't really come across as being sarcastic there, when I really really meant to. I don't feel all that bad for TO's finger never bending again. Heck, it's what TO says; I'm not sure that he's telling the truth. For all I know, he may not have an injury. He might not even have fingers.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:05pm

Okay, replacing Collinsworth for Vermeil? Hmm. Vermeil is injured, but I can't wait to hear him present again.

Maybe Jaws will pop in and talk some.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:06pm

So, Dick Vermeil instead of Cris Collinsworth.
Re: 218 Well, not having fingers might explain some of his drops anyway.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:10pm

Not a great offensive showing for Dallas to start.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:12pm

IRC is open at server bendenweyr.dyndns.org in channel #FO! See if they're actually starting Vick at RB! Laugh no matter what happens!

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:18pm

Heh. I keep hearing Vermeil and thinking Clint Eastwood is doing commentary. "Dunn's the kind of back that will just kill you on that 11th zone block run...so you've gotta ask yourself, Dallas D - do you feel lucky on this zone block run? Do ya, punk?"

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:24pm

And that is why I love Vermeil - he says what set the Cowboys are in (2TE) and says not only is it a run play, it's a run play to the weak side. And that's exactly what happens.

Someone out there - pay the man to do more commentary. Please.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:26pm

Heh, ref bump block.

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by Paul (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:26pm

Sportsmanship: I have to agree with 209. The play is designed for Smith to try to outrun a single defender to the sideline or for him to slide if he can't beat him. It is never planned to be the TD run. When the Seahawks refused to play defense, the rude action is to go down early. It would be the same if a team let the offense break free for the TD so they have enough time. The sportsmanlike action is to take the TD. Proper strategy may dictate otherwise, but to be sportsmanlike, you should take the freely offered TD which gives the other team a chance. Also, what were the odds on a play like that to get the first down if Seattle plays defense? Slim to none?
I say Smith was being sportsmanlike in his actions, though also making future teams worry about the bootleg.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:28pm

I agree Kal, this crew is pleasant to listen too.
And that was a nice catch by Owens.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:28pm

Have to say that was a good catch by Owens. But I give even more credit to the offensive line...

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:31pm

Yeah, they gave Romo like 10 seconds to find a receiver. Even so, they covered Owens pretty well; Romo just made a great throw that is pretty hard to defend, much less against the honorary gimme Irvin-PI calls that TO gets for free.

Gumbel is just horrible. There's a ridiculous amount of dead air with him. When the hoarse Vermeil has to fill in again and again...it's sad.

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by James C (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:32pm

#s 174, 182, 214

The Panesar thing is a tradgedy. He is the best finger spinner in the world (I don't consider Murali to be a finger spinner). How can you leave a gu that good out. Apparently they always intended to play him but he was terrible in the warm up matches. The real didaster of the tour was turning up unprepared without plenty of competetive matches to get test match sharp. Coupled with the fact that the captain and most important player was coming off an injury and hadn't played for 9 months and the disatrous decision to play James Anderson the tour was doomed. All I have left to hope for is that the team look around for where ever it was that they mislaid their testicles before I arrive in Aussie to watch the last two tests (mini yay as it will probably be ugly). Oh and I fully agree that Geraint Jones should never be allowed in an England shirt again.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:33pm

Heh, dead air doesn't overly bother me, if only because I'm so used to it being filled with drivel during games.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:35pm

Woohoo! Schaub sighting!

And we get Faulk, who isn't bad in at least talking intelligently about football. Okay, I can deal with Vermeil and Faulk.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:36pm

Game over? if so, season over?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:37pm

That was awful by Vick...

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by queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:38pm

andrew, i'm trying to follow online, how bad was it?

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by James C (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:38pm

Great play by Ware, and somebody get Vermeil a throat lozenge. Quick.

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by Pippin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:38pm

Holy crap that was a catch from Ware. That close up to the throw? Wow.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:40pm

#235: Ware was unblocked and ran right at Vick, though he wasn't full-on rushing. Vick tried to throw over him. Vick basically threw right to Ware, though Ware made just a monster play to get that, and then ran around Vick's feeble tackle attempt for an easy score.

I think we'll see more Schaub, less Vick.

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by queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:41pm

thanks for the relay kal :)

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:42pm

There was another defender who was right on Vick, and Ware was behind him. The throw got pass the first guy but not the second.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:43pm

One small addendum - as Vermeil pointed out, Ware was accompanied by a lineman in front of him who screened him a bit. Vick was trying to throw over the lineman and couldn't see so well over the lineman - and Ware caught it.

That being said, it was not just a good play by Ware - Vick is doing a 12-step backpedal in the face of two guys, and the thing he should do there is throw it away or even take a sack or, well, avoid the sack and gain like 15 yards. Or something like that.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:43pm

Ware follows that up with running Vick down for a 12 yard sack back to the 10.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:45pm

Romo makes arguably a worse throw, though it got tipped. Defensive offsides cancels the INT.

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by James C (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:45pm

There were two guys clean through at Vick. I think that the idea of the play was that they would pursue the back down the line but Canty and Ware just ran after Vick. In trying to throw round Canty he threw right at Ware who had leapt in the air. Ware did a great job of pulling it in and gave Vick a vicious stiff arm as he tried to make the tackle.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:45pm

Another great rush by Ware. That's like 3 sacks and an INT by the Dallas D at this point. And boy, Vick looks bad.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:47pm

Another tipped Int, and this one will count.

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by Pippin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:47pm

Does anyone else think that Jones basically refuses to bounce anything out anymore? It looks to my (uneducated) eye like he's missing a few chances by being so determined to go up the middle.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:47pm

Romo has another one tipped and Falcons get this one, returned to the 10. yes it was tipped but the ball was thrown pretty low...

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:51pm

i dont remember a sideline reporter being so active calling penalties, etc as faulk is doing today.

i have to say i've been pleasantly surprised with his work on nfln so far. he never seemed like the sharpest tool in the shed when he was interviewed as a player.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:52pm

Nice hit on Vick by Watkins. People wonder why he won't last long? That's why.

Vick's completed one pass so far, and it's a short pass. Heh.

Vermeil and Faulk talking about what their plays were called and NT techniques, criticizing Vick and Romo's abilities and game choices...yeah, all we need is to mute Gumbel's mike, and I'll be thrilled. Okay, Vermeil could also have a lozenge.

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by queequeg (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:53pm

i don't mean to do this, but what are the implications of a tie in this game? positive for both teams?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:56pm

Tipped pass #3, though no int on that one.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 10:59pm

#251: It's good for Dallas' chances for the NFC East (basically counts as a win) and horrible for their chances at a bye (basically counts as a loss). For Atlanta, I think it's good for their chances at a WC spot but not great, and I think it'll mean that the Falcons won't be anywhere close to being in charge of their own destiny.

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by Israel (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:00pm

As the fifty yard punt goes out of bounds, the Atlanta radio guys say "...and it isn't a very good one."

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:01pm

That was a nice deep ball there.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:01pm

254: got a sizeable dallas bounce.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:03pm

Okay, Jenkins was wide open on that TD pass. CB apparently slipped on the cut outside.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:04pm

It's a game again!

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by PhillyCWC (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:05pm

I just started watching Cowboys-Falcons since the kiddies are finally in bed. What's up with Vermeil's throat? Why is he talking like he just smoked an entire carton of cigarettes? Could someone PLEASE get him some lozenges, or Chloraseptic, or something? It's painful to listen to him talk.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:05pm

Wow...what the heck has happened to Dallas' long pass defense? In the last two weeks they've been burned hard on what looks like either single coverage or even safety help. I'm not so scared if Chicago goes against Dallas as long as Berrian is around.

Between that and the Jenkins reception, I'm thinking that Dallas is relying way too much on the dropped passes of Atlanta receivers.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:08pm

Well, if any team should be able to pick out bad safety coverage deep, it should be Atlanta. Being able to do something about it, though, is a nice change (as opposed to being on the receiving end.)

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:10pm

BTW, is NFL Network packing even more commercials into a game than usual for the regular season?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:13pm

#262: I think it's about the same, it's just feeling a bit different because we see the same three commercials over.and.over again.

Great throw by Romo, and once again Hall gets burnt bad.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:13pm

the ball's covered in crisco

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:14pm

vick has crumpler open deep. was that an overthrow, or does crumpler need to lose a few pounds?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:14pm

Horsecollar getting burned again? Color me shocked.

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by Jim (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:16pm

260 - Welcome to the Dallas Cowboys defense. They've given up those long plays all season long.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:19pm

Great play by Roddy White.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:20pm

and defensive PI anyway. Wow. Glenn is a liability.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:22pm

NFL.com just said that Dunn went for -96 yards off right tackle. Heh.

Who would've thought that Jones would be rushing poorly, Dallas would be crushed by the passing ability of Vick, and we'd be tied...at 21-21?

Weird-ass game.

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by asg (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:22pm

267: Apparently they've decided to give up the short ones too.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:23pm

2nd time TD taken away because of illegal formation. Late flag.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:23pm

...and again the flag doesn't matter as they get the TD anyway.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:24pm

267: the conventional wisdom was that that was all pat watkins' fault. clearly not.

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by johnnyxel (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:24pm

2 TDs and 1 INT for the Falcons nullified by penalties. Given the performance of this team this season, how can they afford it? Get another INT and 2 more TDs on the same drives? Is this bizarro world?

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by Jim (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:26pm

274 - Cowboys fans know better. It's been Watkins, Davis, Williams and Henry, all season long.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:26pm

Heh. This sort of game must absolutely drive Falcons fans nuts. Penalties, and they play well anyway, and Vick looks awesome some of the time and horrible some of the time.

Falcons fans, do you stock up on antacid?

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by johnnyxel (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:27pm

By the way, that defensive pass interference penalty was only the 4th of the season on Falcons passing plays, and the 2nd declined because the ball was caught.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:27pm

Is anyone else out there pissed that NFL network is taking over the Saturday games? The Thursday games I don't mind, because I never expect football on thursday, but in years past I always remember being thrilled the first weekend of saturday games, 2x as much football right in time for the playoffs. I'm guessing most people on this thread don't care, as they are probably watching the game anyways, but not everyone lives in Satellite ready buildings.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:28pm

Also, for Dallas fans - how on earth did they do so well against Indy and so poorly against Atlanta and NO? Did the Colts just not run enough or was it just too much pressure?

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:28pm

Well, shoot. NFLN actually gets a good game. It figures that it would in the last week before vacation; I get NFLN at home but not up here at college. Annoying.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:30pm

Antacid hell, we're talking horse tranquilizers here.

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by Andy (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:30pm

#279:

NFLN is bullshit. I could be watching this game, but, due to the NFL's greed, I'm screwed. I'm also cheap and have chosen not to pay an extra $20/mo to get the extended cable package.

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by blahblahfalcons (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:31pm

249: are you kidding? The guy was voted the smartest player in the league a few years back. Faulk's no dummy.

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by BlueStarDude (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:31pm

RE: "Glenn is a liability."

No he's not. That was maybe his second or third bad play all season and we're in week 15. No one is perfect. Sheesh.

Now, Davis, Williams, & Henry = yes. Henry should be playing FS, but to do that they need to add another CB first.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:32pm

280: the colts offense is particularly poorly suited for running against a 3-4.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:33pm

#279: The other reason I liked it before is that the games were in the morning/afternoon, not the evening. The only reason I'm watching now is because my house has no power and I needed to be at work. Otherwise I'd be out doing stuff. During the day, well, it's usually what replaces college football.

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by BlueStarDude (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:33pm

RE: 280: the Colts don't have a FB.

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by James C (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:35pm

It must be maddening being a Falcons fan. Vick sometimes looks like the player people thought he could be when he was taken first in the draft. The deep balls and the red zone passes have been seriously good, and when he scrambles he is uncanny at times. There is always this feeling that if he could just put it all together he would be really special, but he never seems to. Having said that the guy is only 26, he has plenty of time.

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by BlueStarDude (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:37pm

RE: 279: yeah, I'm pissed at the NFL. But I'm even more pissed at Charter Communications, which gives me dozens of channels I don't want and charges $65 (lowest digital tier). And yet they won't pony up $1 a month to add NFLN?

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by James C (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:38pm

Does anyone know what the over/under on total points scored was for this game?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:40pm

Well, Dallas' woes at secondary don't make their chances look great against Philly. Heck, it doesn't look good against Detroit though that hardly matters.

Amusing that Jeff Garcia's deep ball would be considered, much less actually feared by Dallas at this stage.

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by blahblahfalcons (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:41pm

289: my feeling is that his biggest obstacle is himself (hardly a revelation i guess). like vermeil said, every person who sees the guy in PRACTICE says he throws the ball as good as anyone, but when the pressure's on (and when his line is letting guys get in his face before he finishes his drops) he seems to get up in his own head too much.

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by blahblahfalcons (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:42pm

wooo algernon darius crumpler!

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:46pm

Hmm, checking the progress on GameCenter, it seems like Griffith is channeling Karnage.

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by Just Another Falcon Fan (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:47pm

Atlanta learned something by watching Karney last week.

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by BlueStarDude (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:48pm

Who is the Eagle FB this season? Jon Ritchie's out, right?

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by Crus, UK (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:53pm

297: Ritchie's been out since the 2004 offseason, last year it was Josh Parry (now on the Seahawks), this year it's Thomas Tapeh (or Toupee if you're Mike Tirico)

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:54pm

Marion Barber is a lot better than Julius Jones. Yet somehow, Jones keeps getting the carries...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/16/2006 - 11:56pm

...maybe because Barber is confused when it comes to pass-blocking.