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Week 16 Game Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Week 16 of the 2006 NFL season. You can talk about who you think will win or lose before the games start and last-minute news on Sunday morning. Then during the games, discuss strange plays, great performances, and stupid announcers (of which there are plenty). After the day is done, we'll discuss the results of the week Sunday night and Monday before our weekly commentary articles appear.

Please note that there is a separate thread for the Thursday and Saturday night games. A third thread will go up Sunday night for discussion during the Christmas Day games.

Please ask your fantasy football start/bench and waiver wire questions in the discussion thread for Scramble for the Ball.


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1
by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/23/2006 - 11:03pm

Jets fans in the New York area are missing the big game:
Pats-Jags

Why? The stinking Giants are at home, so CBS can't put that game on against it.

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by smashmouth football (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:01am

Ravens at Steelers

I really don't know how this game is going to turn out. Both teams really need it, Pittsburgh to have any playoff hopes at all, Baltimore to have any chance for an opening round bye.

Both teams hate each other, which usually makes for a very physical brand of football. There's no way the Steelers are as bad as they looked earlier this year in Baltimore. (I'm a Ravens fan who had the privilege to watch that demolition in person.) Jonathan Ogden is questionable for the Ravens--if he doesn't play, I suspect smart money would take Pittsburgh.

Would be interested to hear intelligent comments from others--but not rank, unsubstantiated homerism. Fans of all teams know the distinction...

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:33am

RE: 2

I disagree. Baltimore could use a win, but not THAT badly. It's just seeding. Pittsburgh isn't getting in the playoffs either way. They'd need a miracle which they won't get.
But both teams hate each other, which should make it interesting.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 7:16am

C'mon! Titans at Bills! Emerging star and ROY candidate Vince Young vs. a speedy Bills D, including Nate Clements in a contract year. Continued maturation of J.P. Losman vs. Pacman and a talented Titans linebacking corps. NFL sack leader Aaron Schobel. Travis Henry's shot at revenge. Robo-punter 2006 Brian Moorman. Rob "60 yards" Bironas. Two teams crawling from oblivion to .500, both on a very hot streak. The Bills coming off their first shutout since 2003, the Titans coming off an offensive performance so horrible it would even make Kerry Collins' eyes bleed...and they won anyway. Two teams with outside shots and dreams of making the playoffs. THIS is the game of the week!

(/homer)

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 9:51am

HEALTH CHECKS REQUIRED

To go with Tomlinson,...any news on...

ATL Norwood
NYJ Houston
NEP Maroney

Or do I start SDI Turner as well?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 11:43am

Norwood should play. Cedric Houston probably won't. If he does, it'll be in a limited role.
Maroney is a game-time decision, but probably will play (although you never know with New England).

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 11:57am

So then I'm down to LT & Turner (playing both SD RBs - an interesting strategy), or LT & Norwood, which is hoping that Dunn isnt going to take all the carries....

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by Grouchy Bills Fan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 1:16pm

I'm rooting for the Pats and the Dolphins this weekend. That's so weird. And please, can we have a moratorium on NFL players named "Norwood"? That name still makes me feel sick.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 1:23pm

Just wow... Check out how Atlanta does vs. #1 and #2 WRs. Amazing.

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by Oy Vey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 1:48pm

Right now I have Sexy Rexy starting and Vick on the bench. The gimpy groin makes me nervous, as it seemingly takes away the attribute that makes Vick worth starting. Can anyone convince me to switch them, or is this the right call?

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:20pm

It’s just seeding.

There's no such thing as "it's just seeding" when a bye is at stake. Having one fewer game to play, in and of itself, basically doubles your probability of going to and winning the Super Bowl, never mind the home field implications in subsequent rounds.

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by Jerry P. (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:23pm

Come on K, no references to January 8th, 2000?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:39pm

RE: 11

Baltimore is sitting players out. Obviously Billick doesn't agree with you.

Anyway, I'm starting Rex Grossman and Jeff Garcia over Cutler and Rivers.
We'll see whether it's a good call.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:40pm

January 8, 2000 never happened, thank you very much. It was a damn forward pass.

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by BC Eagle (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:51pm

pats fan stuck in Morristown, NJ. Is the Pats/Jags game blacked out here?

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:57pm

We have it down here in Carolina. For some reason.

And Cincinatti at Denver. Shouldn't everyone in the Galaxy be able to watch the Seattle - San Diego game today? I've got LT and Shaun. And can't watch them. Arrgh.

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by sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:57pm

10: Vick's groin has been a problem for a while. Remember, he IS Ron Mexico...

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:58pm

(no Ogden vs Porter)
+ (no Starks vs Suggs)=
bad day to be a QB in Pittsburgh.

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by Catfish (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 2:58pm

Other interesting tidbits besides Atl sucking against WR1&2:

Chicago's DVOA against WR1 ranks 23rd. It is top 5 against everything else

Jax is the only team in the top 10 against every type of receiver.

The Pats are in the bottom 5 against WR2 and RB and in the top 5 against WR1, other WR, and TE

Miami is 2nd best against RBs and ranked in the 20's against everything else.

Pit, like Atl, is ridiculously bad against 1st and 2nd receivers (25.3% and 47.2% respectively), but is obscenely strong against other WRs (-83.2%)

KC is first against WR1, 26th against WR2, and dead last against other WR.

NO is 31st against WR1, but 4th against other WR and RB.

DET is 3rd against WR1, below average against RB, and very bad against everything else.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:13pm

I'm going to guess that Fred Thomas just got beat by Burress for 55 yards. Haven't seen anything on the local Fox affiliate, since I get ATL/CAR. BTW, Vick and Dunn are the first 1000 yard rushing duo in about 20 years. Interesting accomplishment.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:13pm

Texans score first ... i guess not a lot of us saw that coming!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:14pm

re: 15

giants have a home game so CBS can't put a game on opposite it. Almost the entire rest of the country is getting that game.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:15pm

22: This will be about my 874,345,135th complaint about the foolish broadcast rules by the NFL. Look, not everyone in Atlanta are Falcons fans, particularly since just about everyone in this city are imports.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:16pm

I know that not a lot of you would be in India, but they are playing some christmas carols with a 10 year kid singing great ... 15 mins to Dec 25 ... merry x'mas to FO, staff and readers

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:17pm

Morton fumbles a punt, Saints first and ten at the Giants 24...

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:19pm

what are they reviewing in the Pats game? Was the catch clean?

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:20pm

RE: 20

Yep. He fell down right at the beginning of the play. Easy throw for Eli, and Burress managed to fake out two Saints DBs and dive and get the ball inside the pylon.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:24pm

Wow! Texans are up 14 against the colts. I wonder if there is a upset in the works

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:26pm

3rd and 5 and MJD runs for it. Impressive. He was hit about 2 yards into it and bulled his way the rest of it.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:30pm

Boy, that Peyton Manning sure is a choker. Down 14 already. Next he'll give up more rushing TDs.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:34pm

Brees is looking horrible early. The Saints have had two possessions starting in NY territory and scored 3 points from them.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:35pm

3 Scrambles/runs for Brady in the first quarter itself. Calm down, big fella - we want you to win the game with your hand not your legs.

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by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:36pm

1-10-NYG 33 (6:07) D.Brees pass incomplete short right to R.Bush.
2-10-NYG 33 (5:58) D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to R.Bush.
3-10-NYG 33 (5:53) (Shotgun) D.Brees pass incomplete short middle to R.Bush.
4-10-NYG 33 (5:48) B.Cundiff 51 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-K.Houser, Holder-J.Martin.

OOPS.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:36pm

McNair to Clayton. Great catch for the TD.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:36pm

So far Brees has had a completion to Colston, short completion to Deuce, a tipped pass, a drop by Bush, and a couple passes that missed Bush completely.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:37pm

Three 20+yd TDs at the same time - IND, BAL and DET

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:38pm

Is it the wind that's affecting Brees's passing, or is it the Giants' defense?

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:40pm

It looks more like the wind.

The Giants pick up a first with a REALLY questionable spot. Saints challenging.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:41pm

Will the Pats go for it on 4th down and 1?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:42pm

Gustowski had some english on that field goal. it drifted out and halfway there it came right back. Either that or it was some wind at that altitude that he gauged right somehow.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:44pm

Sophandros, I don't really think it's either. They misses to Bush were short. One was a miscommunication and one was just out of his reach on a swing pass.

Mark Campbell just drops a pass and is slow to get up.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:46pm

OK, I was scared that the Saints were facing Good Eli (or Bad Eli for beating up on his hometown team) and were discovering Bad Drew, but if it's a wind thing, then the 2nd quarter might be different.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:46pm

Gostkowski with a 48 yd FG. I think he has come a long way from the beginning of the season when the team was avoiding putting him out for 35+ yd FG attempt.

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:46pm

Baltimore is sitting players out. Obviously Billick doesn’t agree with you.

Here's a bit of advice for the future: when appealing to authority, make sure it's more of an authority than Brian Billick.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:46pm

Well, shoot. Are we witnessing Bad Drew, then?

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:47pm

And another pass is tipped.

This passing game is really keeping it short, like there's no hint of them sending anyone long. I don't know wtf is up, but they just keep running 5 yard routes that don't connect or get nothing. What's even more puzzling is that they're doing this in a spread offense, lining up 4 guys and having them run crosses and outs.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:47pm

I was checking the score on the 2 current hot teams - TEN v/ BUF. Scores tied at 10. Seems that these teams have joined MIA as second half beauties.
Side note: During my school days (academic years are btw june to apr in india), we had a score of kids who flunked quarterly, half yearly exams but buckled up for the annual exams and these kids were termed MARCH BEAUTIES. Guess, the same applies to TEN, BUF, MIA now!

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:48pm

wow! Maurice Jones torches NE. Can someone explain how this happened?

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:48pm

crap.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:49pm

The defense however, is looking good aside from Fred Thomas. Tiki had a good first run but since then it's been nothing.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:50pm

48.

He got hit behind the line by one of his own guys and fell down. Everyone on NE assumed he had been knocked down by one of the NE defenders and was down.

Basically just stood up, and ran the length of the field. Nobody even started chasing him till he was 15 yards past everyone

52
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:50pm

If Weinke gets hurt, who is Carolina's QB? And how bad is THAT guy?

53
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:51pm

As Tarik Glenn gets his weekly false start penalty (1 and only 1, every single week), MJD makes the Pats D look like ... well, the Colts D.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:52pm

46: Hmmm. Sounds like the Saints have decided to run the Chris Scelfo offense.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:53pm

51: All Garrard does is win games.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:54pm

53.

I wouldnt say Indy's D, I'd say NYG's Defence. Kiwanuka to be exact.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:54pm

51: thanks.
that looks like a school-kid mistake!

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:55pm

The empire strikes back!
Colts have wiped off the 14 point deficit.
Wish Manning was in control of the US national deficit control rather than fight deficit against the texans!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:57pm

Kalyan, so you guys only had one month off?

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:57pm

51

Not really, as Jones-Drew stood up, Tully Banta-Cain wrapped him up, and then basically let go and threw his hands up in the air in that "I didnt touch him" look. Looks like he let go fearing the penalty.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:58pm

Drew's looking better, just had a long pass dropped by Devery and a decent 20 yarder to Colston. But he just had another pass tipped on 2nd and 2, that's his 3rd.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

Another Tom Brady pass 3 yards behind the WR.

Sweet.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

61: Wow. Devery dropped a pass...

64
by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

Wind took a long pass to bush who bobbles it as he's going out of bonds. Called a catch but challenged, saints couldn't get a play off in time.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

nearly 2 months ... school got over before April 14 (vernacular calendar new year) and started around mid-june till high school where they used to start by first week of june

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

That hit on Brady looked bad...

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 3:59pm

The coverage of the Lions game is trying really hard to not show the crowd during plays.

I'm only watching it to see the walkout...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:00pm

So is it like Charlie Weiss was responsible for telling Brady to not throw it behind receivers?

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:00pm

RE: 57

It was kind of a fluky play, though credit still goes to Jones-Drew: he knew the play wasn't over. He bounced off his own blocker, Kyle Brady, and fell on his ass. The Pats seemed to think there was no way that anyone could fall that hard by running into his own blocker.

Hmm...Maurice may have invented a new trick play...

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:01pm

And the Saints convert on 4th and 2! Brees escapes the pass rush and gets it to Copper who holds onto the ball.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:03pm

Wow, I just saw that Jones-Drew run. There were 2 pats around him. It seems like everytime someone goes down any defender in the area touches them just to make sure. Don't the Pats do that?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:03pm

Umpire down

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:03pm

GARRARD KILLED THE UMP.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:04pm

Garrard drilled an umpire in the ear. He's still on the ground.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:04pm

Oh wow, Garrard just DRILLED the umpire in the side of the head with a pass.

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:04pm

BAL/PIT is just ugly. The Steelers can't move the ball at all, can't defend quick passes in the flats, and can't get any pass pressure at all. They can't even pretend to keep up in field position either -- PIT punts are netting about 35 yards, BAL punts are netting about 50.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:05pm

3-4-JAC 45 (8:50) (Shotgun) D.Garrard pass incomplete short middle to R.Williams. Pass hit the umpire.

That read very funny!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:06pm

So, I take it that Garrard just committed Umpiricide?

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:07pm

oh my my! howz the umpire?

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:07pm

oh my my! howz the umpire?

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:07pm

David Garrard just kills umps?

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:08pm

apologies for the double post

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:08pm

1:50 of game time until this walkout if you care...

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:11pm

In other news, the BAL pass rush is completely dominating the PIT protection. AGAIN. Every time they blitz, someone is coming free. Every time they show blitz and drop out, there are two Steelers standing in the backfield doing nothing while the receivers are totally blanketed.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:11pm

... more passes where brady misses recievers....

I really dont want to hear anyone bitching about brady's recievers anymore. Hes regulary making shitty passes, and theyre bailing him out.

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by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:12pm

If it happened, it wasn't obvious... boo...

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by Spacemonkey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:12pm

Aah, so Pittsburgh's game plan is finally clear. Let the Ravens go up early, hoping the defense takes the second half of the game off while they sit all offensive starters.

*spacemonkey tries to look hopeful

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:12pm

84: To be fair, they can do this only because Ben Roethlisburger is playing like Drew Bledsoe. Holding onto the ball for ten minutes when blitzes are coming, missing open receivers, etc.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:14pm

OK, take out the bomb to Plaxico, The Giants have 32 yards.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:14pm

A theory on why the NE Offense is ranked #8 as per DVOA.

Disclaimer: I consider that the Pats defense has been pretty ordinary over the season and wrote to Aaron last week on the same.

I think DVOA rewards 'success' and most of Brady's pass are for 6-8 yds, thus having a high success rate. the same can be said about their running as well (as i type, Faulk gets 4 yds on a 2-2 situation). Pats might have had the lowest 20+ yd plays in the game, both passing and rushing and that is why the perception that the offense is anaemic!

RANT OVER!

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:16pm

OT: checking on TVU to see what else is on, I must say that Telecapri (Italy Sports) has some call in show that I can't understand a word of. But it doesn't matter...

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:17pm

Colts/Texans looks like it's turning into a shootout between Peyton Manning and Ron Dayne

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:17pm

TMQ Pleased!
Texans ran 11 times in a 14 play, 75 yard TD drive. The drive ate 8 mins in the second half and kept the colts offense a.k.a THE EMPIRE on the sidelines

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:18pm

Reggie Bush has 4 carries for 36 yards. Runs of -1, 7, 13, and 16.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:19pm

90.

Kaylan, I agree.

The patriots offense is pretty much exactly what DVOA is looking for: High success rate.

The problem is, a single penalty can kill a drive in that sort of offense, as can a single failed play.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:19pm

Or 5 for 43. Interesting development.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:19pm

Raise your hands if you predicted Tom Brady will have the longest rush for the Pats Offense in the first half ..

McDaniel, your vote doesn't count!

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:21pm

Bush just hopped over a pile and Demps put a hat on him, his neck snapped back hard but he's okay. No helmet to helmet.

Bush gets another first down, he's on fire, all they're doing is giving the ball to him. He has like 3 firsts on this drive.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:22pm

95: Rich Conley

Thanks. I even read on some article earlier in the season that all things need to go perfect for Pats to score on any drive. With them, you cannot have a slam dunk 4 plays, 80 yd drive that has happened to some other teams

When you want to clash with teams like san diego in post-season, that is as much a factor as a good defense.

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:23pm

Last night on NFL Matchup they were showing footage of Philly/NY where the Giants had tried to use a defensive lineman to cover Brian Westrook on a few plays; are they doing the same against Reggie Bush?

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:23pm

Corey Webster just grabbed Coppper's jersey and Copper fell, then they waved off a 40 yard penalty.

Talking idiots are saying they got it right, but Copper's feet didn't even TOUCH Webster, and they're STILL SAYING their feet got tangled up.

102
by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:25pm

Saints have converted two 4th and 2s in Giants territory.

Bush with another 10 yard run.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:25pm

Will Reggie have 100 yards by the half?

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:25pm

A Steve McNair interception inside 2:00 leads to a 1-yard TD toss by Roethlisberger. The Steelers' no-huddle offense looked much sharper than their regular offense, which has been the case almost all season. They should seriously consider not waiting for the 2:00 warning in the second half to break it out again.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:26pm

hell of a run by drew.

Carries the entire patriots linebacking core about 5 yards.

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by Devin McCullen (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:27pm

Darrell, it was really hard to tell if he grabbed the jersey or just touched it. You could call that, I guess, but it's very iffy. Not sure why the Saints are throwing the ball anyway.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:28pm

Corey Webster just grabbed Coppper’s jersey and Copper fell, then they waved off a 40 yard penalty.

Former LSU players cheat...

108
by McDaniel (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:30pm

RE: 97

Damn. I was really looking forward to saying "I told you so."

109
by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:35pm

The Saints have Balls, they're 3 for 3 on 4th downs, and one was the sickest TD to Colston ever. He jumps and does a sick twist in the air to catch a fade.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:36pm

Isnt the play of T Brown (TEN) foolish? With the clock that has run out, you gifted the Bills an untimed down and 3/7 points for christmas

111
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:36pm

Sweet play of Ravens/Steelers first half:
Jamal Lewis blows up Joey Porter at the end of a play on a reception, then kicks Porter and hits him in head as he gets off the ground. Then the next play Lewis converts a 3rd and one, and when he was lying on the ground, Porter jumps on him and grabs his helmet. 15yd penalty! Joey Porter is a retard.

112
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:38pm

I didn't see anyone mention it so I will. That first touchdown pass by Eli was horrible. I mean so bad I literally could have thrown it. He underthrew Burress by maybe 10 yards?

Eli deserves basically zero credit for that play, as I cannot imagine emergency backups screwing that play up.

If we were working on a d20 system Eli rolled a 2 there.

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by gorgon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:38pm

Can anyone tell me what happened with TEN/BUF at the end of the half?

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:39pm

108: As i read your comments, something inside my head exploded and it took me more than a couple of mins to control my laughter.

BTW, it is 1 AM in India and i know it because my dad woke up and gave me an earful for waking him with my laugh!

115
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:41pm

Man, the IND Run defense has to be bad when you realize that RON DAYNE has 20 carries for 113 yds and 2 TDs.

116
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:41pm

A horrifying start to the 2nd half of the Bucs/Browns game. All the mics apparently were off...except for the booth.

117
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:42pm

Jeremy Shockey has no excuse. None.

118
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:42pm

4th and 2 at midfield, wide open Shockey caught the ball near the sideline and took off upfield without the ball.

119
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:44pm

The Saints return the favor though by dropping passes on 2nd and 3rd down.

120
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:44pm

Did the Pats find out something against the Jags? They seem to be in shotgun on most of the passing situations.

121
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:45pm

That was an amazing catch by the Wendy's guy.

122
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:47pm

Wow! i complain about Pats lack of 20yd+ plays and they give us 2 in one drive. Both with rookie TE - D. Thomas. Is this the end of the road to Graham?

123
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:47pm

Baltimore converts a 3rd and 13. Nobody was even trying to cover Todd Heap for some reason. Next play, TD pass along the left sideline behind Troy Polamalu.

That's the 2nd TD against Polamalu, and both times, it's looked like he was expecting help up top that he never got.

124
by LMSx (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:47pm

Someone with a DVR check this, did Bush get out of bounds before the clock ran out in the NYG/NO game?

125
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:49pm

Ravens are abusing Polamalu in coverage. Thats the second TD Clayton and now Williams just whipped him.

126
by admin :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:51pm

Hey, Kalyan, to answer your question about the Pats' offense, the reason why they are so high in DVOA is that they are excellent on third downs and obscene on fourth downs -- converting 15 of 19, the highest percentage in the league with the second-highest number of attempts. It's all about moving those chains.

How did you become a football fan -- and a Pats fan -- living in India?

127
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:51pm

Re: 122

Play challenged and upheld: it was a TD. Helluva catch, and this should be the last year on the Pats for Graham, as that was the plan I thought when they drafted two TEs. However, I believe the amazin-pass-droppin Graham is now Team Captain or something, so it'll be interesting to see. As of that play, I am in favor of replacing Graham Cracker with the Wendy's Guy.

128
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:52pm

what was with the D.Thomas TD that it was challenged by the Jags? Can someone let me know.

129
by OMO (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:53pm

This just in...Colts run defense reeeeeally sucks...oh, and MJD just scored on the Colts again.

130
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:55pm

Hi Aaron, I was in boston between 2004 and 2006, for a grand total of SIX times for a project that i manage (i work for a Indian IT major)

Two of these visits was during the superbowl (38 & 39) and turned into a huge football fan!

131
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:55pm

Re: 128

They thought that Thomas may have lost control of the ball when he hit the ground, but replays showed no evidence of this, so the call was upheld.

132
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:57pm

It is absolutely amazing how often Peppers is held out in the open and it is not called. Really, truly amazing.

133
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:57pm

131: Thanks

133
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:57pm

131: Thanks

135
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:58pm

oops. something wrong with my system (second double post!). my apologies

136
by Quinn (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:58pm

The Panthers are playing without a QB on 3rd down and DeAngelo Williams is 7 for 8 rushing for the conversion.

137
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:58pm

Ryan Lindell is going to win me a fantasy championship!

138
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:58pm

The Steelers come out in their normal offense and -- surprise, surprise -- they're having no success. Runs for no gain, a false start, and a ball in the dirt on third down.

Although, considering how the Baltimore offense has looked, even if PIT did go no-huddle, I would have complete faith the Ravens could match their production.

139
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 4:59pm

Note on the Falcons: I don't know if you guys have heard about this, but this week DeAngelo Hall said that things are "cool" between him and TO. Look, if some dude spat on my face, things wouldn't be "cool" for a long time. Just another reason that Hall is a punk beotch.

140
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:00pm

The pats with a good field position (courtsey the missed FG!). Can we have some points that would take us one step closer to another post-season?

141
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:02pm

looks like a shoot-out in St. Loius. I guess not a lot of people saw that coming?

BTW, a question to the WAS mgmt? What will you do with Druckett at the end of the season?

142
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:03pm

What's bothering me is that in the last three weeks, teams seem to have been getting to Brees more often. Not a good think heading to the playoffs.

143
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:04pm

gnah! Stupid raven turnovers are keeping Pittsburg in this game. The total yardage is something like 300yds for the Ravens and 80yds for the Steelers.

144
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:04pm

3rd and 7 -- McNair hits Williams for 20 yards in "double coverage." I put that in quotes because both defenders were on the same side of the receiver, so the second guy was contributing nothing. Pittsburgh has looked really inept...

...except for recovering that fumble. Let's see what the offense has got.

145
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:04pm

141: Good question concerning Duckett. From what I saw of him in Atlanta, he's a servicable back, but where does he fit in?

146
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:05pm

Ugh.

My fantasy team has both REggie Wayne and Andre Johnson, who have combined for a total of 21 yards recieving today.

147
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:06pm

GameCenter says Ngata is hurt for the Ravens. Anyone see the play?

148
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:07pm

something strange in NFL gamecenter. It states TB to Bam Childress for 2 yds, but fails to list BC in the receiver stats section

149
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:08pm

147: He walked off without help. They didn't replay the actual play, though.

150
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:09pm

Graham's false start costed the team 3 points! The game still remains too close for my comfort.

Time for one more pot of tea!

151
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:09pm

RE: 149

Glad to hear it; it would be a major bummer for the Ravens if that guy was hurt badly.

Gostkowski missed a Field Goal! Bring back that other guy!

152
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:09pm

Hentrich just had a 19 yard punt. Not good in the NATIONAL. FOOTBALL. LEAGUE.

153
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:10pm

What do the Steelers do with the fumble? Go 4 and out. That's right, failed 4th-and-2 attempt tipped by a Raven.

I can hear TMQ scribbling already.

154
by Joon (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:11pm

i don't know if anybody else is watching redskins-rams, but:

1. the redskins' o-line is absolutely mauling the rams front seven. betts is hitting the hole hard on running plays, but the most ridiculous thing is the time jason campbell has to throw on passing downs. he looks like he could take a nice refreshing nap and still get the ball downfield.

2. sean taylor is not having a good game. he was flat-out embarrassed on the 44-yard bruce reception, got beat in one-on-one coverage on some nameless TE for a touchdown, and looked like a scared little kid on steven jackson's long catch and run. he was the last man and had to come up and make an open-field tackle, and instead backpedaled all the way into the end zone as jackson sprinted into the end zone untouched. seriously, it was a shocking play.

155
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:11pm

Weinke is currently 3-6 for 27 yards with a TD. If the Panthers hold on, then do we say that Weinke just wins games, even if he lost 17 straight?

156
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:11pm

oh c'mon, hats ridiculous. THis roughing shit is absolutely out of control.

157
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:12pm

that's a huge turn of events in jax/ne

158
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:13pm

If there is anyone following the cover-your-eyes Tampa-CLE game, Derrick Brooks with a INT returned for TD.

Guess he realized that it was the only way to score a TD in this game.

A question. Will Brooks get any consideration for HoF?

159
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:13pm

I sense a Big Ben pick 6 coming...

160
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:14pm

Theyre completely ruining this sport with the "you can't touch the QB" shit.

161
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:14pm

Earnest Wilford!

162
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:14pm

Another penalty-aided Jaguars TD has them back in the game. That Roughing the Passer call was a dogshit call.

163
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:15pm

can someone describe the roughing the passer penalty? seems NE is drawing atleast one every game?

164
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:15pm

Re: 155
Since it would be his second victory ever, we could say he now wins games. But he has to get that elusive 2nd victory first. 1-17 I think so far.

165
by admin :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:15pm

Just to point out here, no matter how great Maurice Jones-Drew is, Kyle Brady was blatantly holding on the long Ernest Wilford completion, and I have no idea how the refs AND the broadcasters missed it. I have a much bigger problem with that non-call than with the call on Seymour for roughing the passer.

166
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:15pm

And when did Copper decide that he would be able to hold onto the ball? Not that I'm complaining, of course.

167
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:16pm

and they wonder why the quality of tackling has gone down in the nfl

168
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:16pm

Peppers!

169
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:16pm

"Guess he realized that it was the only way to score a TD in this game."

You mean besides that 74 yard TD Drive the Bucs had two possessions ago?

170
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:17pm

"8 Ball and" MJD (very obscure hip hip reference) should be the OROY, with Colston finishing second.

171
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:17pm

169: Sorry missed that!

172
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:18pm

TD, Reggie!

173
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:18pm

It's not just NE. Everyone has been getting burned on roughing the quarterback, touching the quarterback, and glaring harshly at the quarterback this year. It has got to stop. It is ruining way too many games.

174
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:19pm

DOnt let the door hit you on the way out, Daniel Graham.

175
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:19pm

Detroit leads Chicago on a Roy Williams TD. Interesting.

176
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:20pm

Did someone see D Thomas coming? I thought i saw his reference in a couple of games, but today looks like his break-out party

177
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:20pm

No prob Kalyan, didn't mean that to sound so snippy.

Regarding Brooks, he's definitely lost a step or two this season, but I think his body of work (9 consecutive Pro Bowl trips and a SB ring) get him into the HoF on the first ballot, unless it's a really tough class that year.

178
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:22pm

173: You forgot about thinking about thinking about touching the QB's pinky.

179
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:23pm

Reality check on MDJ: outside his fluke 74 yd run, he has had an ordinary 13-36, though on 2 occasions he carried a few NE linebackers for first down yards.

180
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:24pm

177: Thanks for the Brooks HOF answer.

181
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:25pm

177: Plus, taking a bunch of inner city kids to Africa every year can't hurt. I can see character being a huge factor in HOF voting from now on, because sportswriters are doing the voting.

182
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:26pm

Weinke is so bad. Wow. Can you believe some Panther fans were insisting he was a better QB than Delhomme?

183
by Quinn (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:26pm

Chris Weinke is so slow and immobile and he takes so long to throw the ball that he has been sacked as often as he has completed a pass.

184
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:28pm

Bush for a punt return TD. Boy, we are gonna see Peter King raving about RB in MMQB tomorrow

185
by Nick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:28pm

Nothing is more fun than watching the Giants have another meltdown.

(I'm an Eagles fan and a Chargers fan. Makes Eli public enemy #1)

186
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:28pm

Talk about home field advantage:
penalties
Pitt 3
Balt 11
One of the most obvious holding calls I've ever seen blown on Big Ben's 21 yd run.

187
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:29pm

-27-NYG 16 (7:01) J.Feagles punts 41 yards to NO 43, Center-R.Kuehl. R.Bush for 57 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Play Challenged by NYG and REVERSED. J.Feagles punts 41 yards to NO 43, Center-R.Kuehl. R.Bush to NYG 49 for 8 yards (R.Kuehl).

Dammit.

188
by OMO (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:29pm

Colts offense has had 6 possessions so far...2:41 left to go in the game.

189
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:30pm

not to mention the phantom holding call on Scott on a 3-8 incomplete to keep the drive alive.

190
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:30pm

187: see the brighter side

atleast we can avoid peter king refering to bush's greatness in MMQB

191
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:31pm

185: I'm pulling for your NFC guys tomorrow...

192
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:32pm

How are the Bears losing to the Lions without having turned the ball over like 6 times?

193
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:32pm

Texans still have 3mins to go down 30+ yds for atleast a FG and burn the COLTS.

Go TEXANS. Go

194
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:32pm

Lions are winning? did they do the walkout?

195
by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:33pm

I'm not quite clear of the rules needed for a "tackle." I thought the contact had to cause the player to go down, or be on a player already down to be a tackle. Guess not - can't find anything about in the annotated rule book on nfl.com.

Because really, the Bush play was weird. He fell forward and got up, and was able to take it to the house. It was reviewed and when he was in the air, falling forward, the long snapper's hand brushed his calf.

196
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:34pm

190: Yeah, but I'm still a Saints fan, so a Reggie TD is a good thing to me. PK will be PK regardless.

197
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:34pm

Did anyone watch the ref in the ATL-CAR game throw a flag 40 yards for a penalty that didn't happen? How is that allowed? You can't throw a flag for a penalty you can't possibly see. That's the sort fo thing that just steams me. If the ref is out of position and 40 yards away, don't call a penalty.

198
by OMO (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:35pm

Great...we've got enough idiot Pats fans in the New England area...now we've got them in India too?

:)

199
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:36pm

What happens if Houston beats Indy? Is the Williams pick justified, since that was the rationale given for it?

200
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:36pm

How can these jackass refs see so many holds by the Panthers yet miss Peppers being held every other play?

201
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:37pm

The panthers have run the ball 47 times today?

202
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:37pm

Request to FO staff: Can we have an analysis on Pats Defense on 3rd down situations.

My perception is that on 3rd & short and/or when the opposition tries a run - they are succesful. I feel they have been burned on 3rd & long/opposition passing on 3rd down situation.

Any quick responses

203
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:37pm

Texans are in field goal range with less than a minute to go.

204
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:38pm

Kris Browne 48 yard FG to win it.

205
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:39pm

198: Remember, i can claim to have lived in New England area too ... :)

206
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:39pm

48 yds seperate the texans and a popular win!

207
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:40pm

201: Weinke (at what point do we start calling him Weinker?) has only thrown 7 passes. The Panthers have set NFL football back 50 years.

Are they going to run the single wing against the Saints next week?

208
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:41pm

Texans win 27-24.

209
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:41pm

TEXANS WIN. That will mean that the Colts will have to play the wildcard round as well. Doesn't bode well for their defense.

210
by OMO (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:42pm

Popular win?

That's enough.

211
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:42pm

And Houston have just justified the Williams pick. (tongue firmly in cheek)

212
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:42pm

Happy Holidays, Texans fans!

213
by Josh (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:42pm

TD Titans!

Vince Young to Brandon Jones.

214
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:43pm

Seems that this week is Bush's coming out party as a running back.

215
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:43pm

Derek Anderson in Cleveland takes a tough sack and lands on his shoulder hard. Ken Dorsey warming up.

216
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:45pm

shitsticks

217
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:46pm

Tom Brady just got speared in the back

218
by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:47pm

I did say the Titans/Bills game would be exciting, didn't I?

What's the "walkout" everyone's tlaking about? Not knowing anything about it and knowing it concerns the Lions, I'm guessing the fans staged a massive "walkout" during the game in the latest "Fire Millen" campaign tactic?

219
by Nick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:47pm

Uh, Tom Brady, that's why quarterbacks like you don't run the ball.

220
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:47pm

where's the call on that for hitting a guy on the ground helmet first? With all the bullshit calls, how do you not call one there?

221
by Spacemonkey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:47pm

Steelers Offensive Game Plan:

1st down: run up the middle, no gain
2nd down: run up the middle, no gain
3rd down: incompletion or sack, your choice
4th down: 30 yard punt or failed conversion, your choice

Damn you, Kevin Gilbride!

*spacemonkey shakes fist at TV screen in a fury, then realizes the playbook from long ago was accidentally used for this game

222
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:48pm

The Saints just dropped a Deuce on the Giants. Nine yard TD.

223
by IllegalLeaping (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:48pm

How long has it been since the Colts lost a game to each of its division rivals in the same season? 1999?

224
by michael (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:49pm

Um, RichConley, I hope you were this angered about Geathers' hit on Trent Green. At least Green went feet first.

225
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:50pm

Take out that 55 yard TD to Burress, and Eli has completed 8 passes for 19 yards. Ye Gods.

226
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:50pm

As things stands as of now, i think TB is going to have a good DPAR for the week. Lots of run DPAR points on third downs.

227
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:51pm

224

Green didnt get hit helmet first. Brady did.

Nice block by Vrabel

228
by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:51pm

TD Maroney. Killer. Now if the Bills can just hold on and beat the Titans.

229
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:52pm

Touchdown Maroney! Pats win!
Suck it Addai!

230
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:52pm

Johnston just said in the Panther game that Carolina's offense has done their job, they put up ten points, it's up to the defense to contribute now.

Score is 10-3.

231
by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:53pm

I should add the Bills/Titans game is exciting despite the flag happy crew of Tripplette.

232
by Nick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:53pm

Giants just fumbled away again. I'll bet 100-1 odds Coughlin is done at the end of the year.

What are the Giants fans chanting? I have little kids here so I have the sound down a bit

232
by G (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:53pm

The fire Coughlin chants have started!

234
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:53pm

Can someone remember a deeper RB class than the class of 2006? Reggie Bush, LM, Addai, Drew, Deangelo (to a lesser extent), Norwood, Washington(?-Jets), Lundy (?-Texans). All seem to have made a mark in atleast one game.

235
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:54pm

Morganja (#430 )--

10 points from the offense led by Weinke? I wouldn't complain.

236
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:55pm

Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!
Weinke Wins!

237
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:55pm

9/20 109 yards, 2 Picks. I guess that Vick hasn't "got it" yet.

Part of me really wants for him to succeed, because he is such a talented and exciting athlete. Another part of me doesn't care because he plays for the Falcons.

238
by michael (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:56pm

Hey, Rich, watch the tape. Geathers hit Green in the head after Green had already gone feet first. Brady dove headfirst and got drilled in the back. I personally think it was a hit intended to injure, the cheapest of cheap shots, but sauce for the goose, know what I'm saying? Maybe it's Rodney Harrison karma.

239
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:56pm

I absolutely hate the prevent defence.

240
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:57pm

238

Geathers hit with the shoulder, you tard. Watch the video, like you said. The hit on brady was a spear.

241
by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 5:58pm

oh no, griese? I started Rex on my fantasy team. AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!

242
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:00pm

Pats leaving it a little too close for comfort. With LM & CD, i am hoping that the Pats can run out the clock.

243
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:00pm

Pats leaving it a little too close for comfort. With LM & CD, i am hoping that the Pats can run out the clock.

244
by Spacemonkey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:00pm

1-10-PIT 37 (6:16) (Shotgun) W.Parker left end to PIT 32 for -5 yards (H.Ngata).

*spacemonkey shrieks like a stuck pig

245
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:00pm

I love that you can count on Jack Del Rio to always make the conservative call and kick the ball away, even when it pretty much guarantees a loss.

246
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:00pm

Did Grossman get hurt? I see Griese seems to be playing QB now.

247
by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:01pm

Oops. Third double post

248
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:01pm

I started Rex on my fantasy team.

Why? I know it's against Detroit, but it's still Rex.

249
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:01pm

Grossman is fine, just no reason for him to be in the game.

250
by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:02pm

Weinke outpassed Vick.

251
by Nick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:03pm

Is the Jacksonville D fired up or what? I'm supposed to be working on my pickup artist stuff but I cant tear my eyes off this game.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:03pm

That was a terrific blitz pick up by the Patriots, but Brady flat out missed Brown.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:03pm

And Brady misses another WIDE open reciever.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:03pm

What a hit by Jimoh!

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:04pm

The Jags need 25 - 30 yds to take to FG range. Pats defense need one good play

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:04pm

4/7, 32 yards and one TD. And this guy "wins" the game...

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:05pm

I wonder if Brady's hurt or if that was one of his weekly ridiculous overthrows?

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by Nick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:06pm

Did Tennesse just come back against Buffalo? Is someone watching that game? What the hell just happened?

I would LOVE to see them in the playoffs.

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by michael (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:06pm

Ah, tard. I love the aroma of a well-chosen bon mot. Geathers' went to the head while Green was sliding. Brady was diving forward. He chose not to protect himself. RBs take that hit all the time. Brady wasn't down. He was diving. Like I said, cheap shot, but Golden Boy should've slid.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:06pm

Bironas kicks another one out of bounds. Bills ball on their own 40, down by 1 point, 2:10 left, no timeouts.

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by Spacemonkey (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:06pm

3-3-PIT 10 (4:05) J.Lewis right guard to PIT 6 for 4 yards (J.Farrior, I.Taylor).

*spacemonkey turns off TV and gets a head start on the egg nog

Well that's it for this season, Stillers. I can't bear to watch any more *blush*

Best wishes and a happy holidays to all of you.

And thanks FO for being a great resource.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:06pm

Anyone watching Buffalo/Tennessee?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:07pm

Garrard was throwing it in my opinion.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:07pm

If they overturn that, I'm gonna shoot the TV.

Its way too close to go either way..call on the field stands.

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:07pm

All David Garrad does is win, baby

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:08pm

NFL Gamecenter sas 1-10 at JAX 45: Play under review. Can someone let me know what happened?

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:08pm

Is this going to be another Losman comeback? If so, he's looking more and more like the QB he was during his junior year in college.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:08pm

Losman sacked but a 15 yard face mask. Bills are almost in FG range at the 2 minute warning but are moving into a stiff wind.

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by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:08pm

Well, there's a reasonable chance that Pittsburgh will get an opportunity to knock the Bengals out of the wild card next week, so at least there's that.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:09pm

"I dont think the tuck rule applies because it doesnt look like he was trying to pull it down"

Another example of the announcers having no idea what the rules are....

I think he was passed the line of scrimmage anyways...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:09pm

Garrard had a receiver there, you can tell who he was throwing to. (I have no interest in the game).

But they rule it a fumble.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:09pm

All David Garrard does is fumble, baby.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

yay, Patriots win.

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by admin :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

The hit on Brady was totally legal. The Patriots will win anyway. Now, everybody please treat each other nicely and don't call each other "tards" on our message boards, okay?

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

Those with NE/JAX might be getting bonus coverage of the Ten Buf finale in just a moment. After we watch them kneel out the clock, of course, because that's important.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

Kaylan, Garrard got sacked from behind, and the ball popped out. They were reviewing fumbler/incomplete. Call on the field stands: fumble. Game over.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

Looks like a pass by the guy who just wins, to me.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:10pm

NE WINS. They have none to blame for leaving it close.

In the end, the defense has to make one close play and they made it, with their first sack & turnover of the day.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:11pm

All the same, once the protection broke down , Garrad has to just take the sack there.

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by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:11pm

Betts with a long run to potentially lead to an easy field goal and a win for the Redskins...fumbles at the end of the run - Rams recover, march down the field, and kick the short field goal...and it's no good.

Overtime in St. Louis.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:11pm

276: Thanks.

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by Rick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:11pm

Very nice win for the Pats on the road against a good team.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:12pm

WHAT ARE THE BUFFALO BILLS THINKING?????

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by OMO (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:13pm

"Touchdown Maroney! Pats win!
Suck it Addai!"

Your honor,

Exhibit Number 1,253,934 why no one likes Pats fans who aren't Pats fans.

Sincerly,

The Rest of the Country

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:13pm

As close as the score was, that game really was kinda one sided. ALl of JAX points basically came off the MJD 74 yard run, and that roughing the passer call.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:13pm

4th and 5 from the 30.... and they go for it, a desperation scramble... heaved up as a prayer.... and intercepted.

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:14pm

Why not kick it?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:15pm

Good win by NE, and impressive performance by Brady against a tough D. Their D still has some issues, but their offense is appearing to click some. Jacksonville...gah, why did you get rid of Leftwich?

And what the heck happened in the Indy/Houston game? I know Indy didn't do well on rushing defense, but why could Manning only get three TD drives against Houston? Weird. SD and Baltimore, 1-2 for byes. That won't be a fun trip for the rest of the AFC.

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by David (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:15pm

Losman is intercepted on third down, Titans win again.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:15pm

I am at a loss here. down by 1, 45 yard field goal and the Bills go for it on 4th and 5. And their kicker was 5/5 on the day. and they don't even seem to have a reasonable pick up the first down play called, it was a desperation heave for the end zone.

I don't think I've ever seen a team so blatantly give away a game. They playing for a draft position?

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:15pm

At least both Reggie and Deuce went over 100 today.

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by the K (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:15pm

C'mon, I know there's a stiff wind, but 45 yard attempt? You'd rather go for 4th and 5? If you were going to go for it on 4th then couldn't you have called a better play than a 20 yard pass on 3rd down? I'm going to go drink myself into a coma now. Later, enjoy the late games.

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by Kalyan (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:17pm

I think you should attribute the Bills loss to the coach or bad decision by QB. They were on the 25 yd line & within FG range. They should have tried to get as many risk-free yards and kicked a FG. Instead a christmas present to the red hot Titans, who have a realistic chance of post-season.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:17pm

David - that was 4th down. I don't believe there is another coach in the league who wouldn't take their chances with a 45 yard field goal.

I'm awaiting news of something like their kicker hurt himself on the sideline...

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:18pm

If you throw a pick to Fred Thomas...

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by Sam! (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:19pm

288:
We didn't "get rid" of Leftwich. He had season-ending surgery on his ankle. Why does everyone forget that? Just because a lot of stupid fans wanted Leftwich out doesn't mean the coaches are that brain-dead.

I don't see how they don't overturn that fumble at the end. His arm was pretty clearly going forward, he was close to the line (but your whole body has to be over the line for illegal forward pass... and even if it's an illegal forward pass, fine call that penalty and give the ball back), and there was a receiver in the direction he was throwing. Close game, why not let the players play if you're not sure?

I would be heavily in favor of firing the offensive coordinator this offseason. And the receivers coach.

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by Rick (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:23pm

re: 296

Garrard's hand was hit pretty much at exactly the moment he started to move it forward. I don't see how the ruling on the field could have been overruled. The video evidence has to be stronger than it was.

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by Sam! (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:24pm

FWIW I think Garrard has shown now that he is not the longterm answer. He's been in the league longer than Leftwich and has been asked to do less, and hasn't been able to protect the ball when it counted. If he doesn't know by now when to take a sack, or how to run with the ball so as not to fumble, or even how to figure out if a receiver is open or not, why do we think he'll figure it out in year 6 and beyond?

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by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:25pm

Repeat after me: 9 completions for 19 yards. That's what Eli Manning accomplished against the Saints defense on passes where cornerbacks don't fall down.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 6:25pm

296

"Why not let the players play"

They did...and they called it a fumble. The video was inconclusive. It might have been a pass attempt, but theres no way to CONCLUSIVELY see that on the video, so the call on the field stands.