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Week 16 Thu/Sat Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the first two games of Week 16: Green Bay-Minnesota (Thursday) and Kansas City-Oakland (Saturday). There will be a second thread for the Sunday afternoon games, and a third thread for the Christmas games.

Please ask your fantasy football start/bench and waiver wire questions in the discussion thread for Scramble for the Ball.


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by Sid (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 1:23pm

Tonight is going to be awful. Racist Kermit and Collinsworth will probably be slobbering all over Brett Favre, because "it might be his last game in Lambeau!" I don't think I'm going to watch.

I heard a stat this morning that only one QB has more wins than Favre in one building:
John Elway in Mile High Stadium (I think Elway had 95 and Favre has like 86 or something).

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 8:36pm

Well, despite the fact that the game is crap (and on NFLN), IRC will be, as always, open for business. Server bendenweyr.dnsalias.com, channel #FO. If possible, we can have one poor sap watch and just tell us what's happening.

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by Register Allocation (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 8:55pm

You should be able to listen to the game on the radio (tho nighttime AM reception can get a bit dodgy).

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 9:31pm

All I want is a good game. The Favre snark has gotten old but since posters have accused Favre of everything from child molestation to importing blood diamonds I have learned to ignore it.

Here's hoping some get that Don Rickles "How To" kit for Xmas. They need it.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 9:31pm

My only real interest in this game is how Tarvaris plays.

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by Raj (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 9:51pm

I am not fan of either team but i hope Favre has a good game (this could be his last game at lambeau)

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 9:54pm

Anyone having the normal HD-feed in non-HD? That's what I got on DirecTV, which doesn't even show the game on their schedule (despite carrying it). It tells me I'm watching the preview for an upcoming basketball game.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:00pm

Raj:

Dude, I'm a Packer fan but even I don't buy it that BF won't be back. He's the Highlander. #4 will have to be beheaded to be stopped. That or dropped in liquid MAGMA. (little Dr. Evil there. sorry)

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:00pm

Predictions:

1 - this will not be Favre's last game at Lambeau.
2 - Tarvaris will play well, giving the vikings more life on offense than they've had in awhile.... but...
3 - will make a critical mistake at some point.
4 - Favre will have no trouble with the Vikings pass defense, meaning they won't (like many others) bother to run unless they get a safe lead.
5 - Packers by about 10, and that's with the Vikings getting a garbage time touchdown.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:07pm

If I were a player going on the NFL network and knew they were gonna do that fly by animation witht he faces, I would turn my head to the left as they did it so it would look like i was looking back at the field...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:10pm

Packers already in empty backfield on first two plays. No, they're not going to bother running.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:11pm

I wonder if this will go like last time. No ability to move the ball on 1st and 2nd downs, 15+ yard completion to Driver on every third down.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:16pm

That looked almost like a hook pass by Favre.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:21pm

So, when a kickoff needs a holder because of weather, is that holder off the sidelines, or is it one of the gunners?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:22pm

No, Tirico, its his second completion.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:23pm

In his defense, I think he said it was his first completion to B. Johnson. *sigh*

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:24pm

They put rookie Ryan Cook, making his second start, and assigned him to block Kampman without any help?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:26pm

and my apologies, that was not Tirico. .

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:30pm

Re: 12

Seems like they're leaving other guys open sometimes to catch the 15 yard 3rd down pass.

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by Shylo (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:31pm

14: It's one of the coverage men. I've heard that holder on those kickoffs is a coveted job because you don't have to try as hard with coverage.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:31pm

I mean, seriously, how do you go man coverage and then forget to put a man on someone?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:33pm

Re: 20
That's seems somewhat unfair to the kicking team. I would guess that runs against only 9 covers gets a few more yards than average.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:34pm

Guess the field wasn't as nice as Collinsworth thought. Slip when planting leads to a missed FG.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:35pm

Bubba Franks is beyond useless. Why is he on the field on 3rd and long? Geez.....

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:35pm

DAMN YOU TROY!!!!

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:36pm

Troy... *sigh*

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:36pm

That was a nice throw by Jackson. Man, Williamson is bad.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:36pm

I wonder if the missed FG was on the part of the field where they put the sod laced with Field Turf in?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:37pm

Troy Williamson was past everyone, the ball was right too him, and he bounced it off his shoulder pad untouched. Troy is the only viking receiver with speed to get seperation... and its utterly meaningless.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:38pm

I gotta say, I like the announcing crew. Haven't noticed any serious errors that weren't immediately corrected. And it's really refreshing to hear announcers criticize some players (Bubba Franks, Williamson).

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:39pm

Heh. andrew that description reminds me of the receiver in Necessary Roughness that was a track star with no ability to catch (until the final game of course).

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:40pm

And except for the opening bit, not to crazy on Farve. And Collinsworth even said he thought Farve was coming back to take a hit out of the hype.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:42pm

There's a reason I named my loser league team "Hands of Troy". Of course he went and got himself less than 2 catches enough times to doom my team.

At least Napoleon Harris has turned it around so we got something for Moss...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:44pm

They had Favre wired, they could have heard what the official told him...

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:50pm

Harris, really? That was such a novice mistake.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:50pm

I think if Harris hadn't had that cast on, he could have picked that fumble up.

Still, no excuse for stepping out of bounds. He had plenty of time.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:54pm

Alright, Collinsworth, name me one person who has questioned Farve's arm strength. Decision making, yes, but arm strength?

I guess that's what I get for saying something nice.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:57pm

Was that Sharper taunting the crowd?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 10:59pm

Re: 38
Yes.
And that was Rayner bouncing the kick off the upright too.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:02pm

The Vikings are dominating the penalty stats this game... I think they have a shutout...

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by Zac (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:02pm

I believe it's possible for there to be a 7-way tie at 7-9 for the last playoff spot in the NFC. That would be awesome.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:05pm

Okay, immediately following the ref calling the first packer penalty, Gumbel chimes in with "7 penalties on the Vikings, none on the Packers". Is he even paying attention?

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by David (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:06pm

"7 penalties for The Vikings and none for the Packers" says Gumbel, after a penalty is called against GB on the punt return. I also noticed earlier that he called Jackson's second completion his first.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:06pm

I was seriously wondering that. I thought for few seconds that I heard the call wrong.

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by David (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:08pm

"They basically invite people to throw on them because they're so terrible against the run"?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:09pm

4th and short, you floon.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:10pm

And now Gumbel doesn't knwo what down it is. Is he like doing something else while calling the game?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:11pm

Jermaine Wiggins at least has hands. Good idea to go to him.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:13pm

What do you lose by not going for it here Child.... never mind penalty.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:13pm

Well, that was a nice tackle. And hey, another Viking penalty.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:14pm

Yeah, that's a nice game at quarterback from Tavares Tillman alright . . .

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:15pm

I swear they have like an internal bet going on what they can get away with calling wrong.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:18pm

Can you down someone by touching the ball?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:18pm

I think winfield's foot touched him anyway, which would make him down.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:20pm

Damn, that's a wierd one. It's pretty obvious what happened, but what the hell should the ruling be? It definitely touched the ground, but a. Did Driver have possession in the first place? and b. if so, did he recover possession when he had the ball between his hand and legs and was clearly on the ground and touched?

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:20pm

Got me. It's either incomplete or the defender knocked it out as he was down by contact.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:20pm

I'm saying incomplete.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:21pm

that challenge would make sense if there was a chance that the Vikings could stop them from converting a 3rd and 2.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:21pm

And the stripes concur. Good call, I think. And I normally hate incomplete calls in possible fumble situations.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:22pm

Well, this is the same coach who has challenged a couple of yards of spotting several times this year.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:24pm

Well, so far this game is giving me what I want . . . because I have Driver on both my fantasy teams.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:25pm

Has anyone ever talked to the opposition more? you want a list? I'd start with Randle....

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:29pm

If I had a criticism of Jackson thus far is that he shows a tendency to check down to people that can't convert on 3rd down.... and well, he's been saying how he's been trying to learn everything he can from Brad Johnson...

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:30pm

Now that was some quality coverage. Oh yes.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:31pm

ooo, now that was a bad throw.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:32pm

*sigh* It should be possible to convert at least 1 3rd down a half right?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:33pm

Followed by the worst throw since Warner forgot he didn't play for the Rams any more. I guess we can safely say Hawk's not going to be used on offense a la Vrabel any time soon.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:34pm

According to Childress, they didn't shrink the playbook for Jackson. Given what Vikes fans have said about their offense, is there really that much to shrink?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:34pm

I guess that would be a no then... He was very close to pulling an Aaron Brooks there.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:35pm

I give jackson credit for not throwing that ball. But still a bad sack... they should have run at least once...

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:38pm

Why did the Vikings take a timeout there? To give the Packers more chances to score?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:39pm

What the hell was the point of those first and third down passes?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:39pm

Wrong personel on the field to defend against Brett's hurry up offense was my take.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:40pm

#71 - Because Favre was ready to snap the ball, and their defense hadn't lined up properly. There was a very real chance they'd give up a TD.

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by Register Allocation (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:42pm

OK, Green's got 31 yards on 8 touches. Isn't ~3.9ypc good enough for, well, more than 8 touches?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:44pm

They just said Napoleon should have batted the ball in bounds instead of trying to pick it up?

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by Zac (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:49pm

Sounds right to me Andrew. It seems like the next closest players were all other Vikings players.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:54pm

Well, that's not a great way to start a half.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:55pm

Farve would liek to get a 96 yarder here...

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by David (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:55pm

With games as terrificly exciting as this one, I can't understand why more people aren't demanding the NFLN.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:57pm

Driver didn't look in great shape there.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:58pm

Right arm injury to Driver. Bollocks.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Thu, 12/21/2006 - 11:58pm

I guess Sharper won't be playing the Vrabel role either.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:00am

As soon as Driver goes out, Packers miss a 3rd down conversion. They needed 12, so the 15 yarder to Driver would have helped.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:07am

Bone-head play, even for a rookie. That he got away with it doesn't make it any more acceptable.

And picked on the next play. Whaddya know?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:08am

Well, a scary throw followed up by a slightly behind throw for an interception. Back to Brett.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:14am

Not to sound like a snob or anything, but how are either of these teams in playoff contention?

Wow, a Vikings receiver held on to a pass downfield. Of course, there's a flag negating the play.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:14am

Okay, for f@#k's sake... but still, throw to Travis Taylor like that more often.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:19am

Really showing some faith in Jackson there.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:20am

Smoot pick six!

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:20am

weeee, the defense does the offense's job once again.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:20am

Just about every beverage in that end zone rained down on the vikings there as they celebrated...

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:21am

Although on that evidence I'd rather have Hawk at TE than Favre at LB. Not much of an attempt at getting off the block there.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:21am

So, does that count towards the touchdown passing record?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:23am

Damn Winfield, nice hit. Now just don't be giving yourself a concusion.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:24am

That was a gift and a half.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:24am

Perhaps Farve got confused. Normally he throws that pass to Brian Dawkins.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:24am

Lol gamecenter is still displaying the previous interception and there is another.

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:25am

What the hell was that?

I'm guessing Favre already holds the career interceptions record . . . though that one may be on Jennings.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:27am

Man, the Vikings do actually seem to deserve 32nd in special teams.

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:27am

Is Driver going to return to the game?

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:32am

3-4-GB 27 (:31) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass incomplete short middle to D.Driver [K.Udeze].

Yay...sort of.

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by zip (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:36am

So, does that count towards the touchdown passing record?

I lol'ed!

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:37am

Are the Vikes actually going to win while playing like this against an actual NFL (non-Crater division) offense? Strewth.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:45am

Leber really needs to learn to wrap up better.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:47am

Gee, that was a gift.....

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:48am

Dammit, Napoleon! You're disgracing the name.

Actually, if that was helmet-to-helmet it must have been at the subatomic level cause they damn sure didn't hit on this dimensional plane.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:49am

How many ways can Green Bay fail to score?

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by Mr Shush (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:49am

Bubba. Franks. Sucks.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:50am

Well, GB will get the ball back in good field position.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:50am

By the way, for all the folks taking shots at Favre the guy most responsible for the offensive failures tonight just fumbled the ball.

For the latecomers Franks dropped FOUR passes in the first half at key junctures. He is a joke.

If he has a job next year we will know that McCarthy and Thompson have no idea what it takes to win in the NFL.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:52am

My god, a offensive 1st down off a 3rd down play. What is that, like the 2nd one of the night for the O?

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:00am

You have GOT to go for the first down here. A field goal is a total gamble in these conditions and Rayner having already gacked twice.

Cripes.....

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by Zac (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:00am

This is actually fairly exciting here (full discretion: I am a Packers fan).

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:03am

I'm sorry packer fans...

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:03am

Has Bubba Franks locked up the KCW award for the week?

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:03am

Andrew, you can add one more.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:03am

C'mon folks. Tell me again how this loss is all Favre's fault.

Nice work Bubba. You worthless piece of ................

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by Zac (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:04am

If this was Philadelphia or Oakland, I don't think Franks would make it out of the stadium alive.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:04am

Now a Penalty on Franks. Whoops!

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:04am

Now WHAT kind of call is THAT????

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:04am

1-10-MIN 27 (3:24) A.Green right tackle to MIN 28 for -1 yards (P.Williams).
2-11-MIN 28 (2:44) V.Morency left end to MIN 29 for -1 yards (D.Sharper).
3-12-MIN 29 (2:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on GB-D.Colledge, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 29 - No Play.
3-17-MIN 34 (2:00) (Shotgun) B.Favre pass short right to A.Green to MIN 4 for 30 yards (N.Harris). PENALTY on GB-B.Franks, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 17.

As TMQ would say, we're all professionals here.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:05am

111-

It's funny, I was listening to the first part of the game in the car, and when I heard he dropped a pass I thought "Badger is ranting about that right now at FO, I'm sure." He's a liability these days.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:05am

I know all the lyrics to that Snickers commercial. I need so much help.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:06am

Look McCarthy. You have said all season how you have faith in number 4 blah, blah , blah. You are 3rd and 10 under the 2 minute warning at the opponent's 27. And you RUN?? Against THAT DEFENSE????

Favre has to retire. Even his coach has given up on him.

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:06am

Bubba Franks should get the Ahmad Carroll Treatment.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:07am

Sadly I'm expecting a defensive letdown now.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:07am

Badger you are remarkably defensive about Farve. Did you and the QB spend a quiet night together once? Just you, him, a big bottle of Percocet and a jug of moonshine? Are you carrying his love child?

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by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:08am

Dave Rayner, all he does is win, baby.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:09am

Franks is a liability?

Dude, having to have your overweight, no talent boss on your softball team is a liability.

The hot girlfriend who gives great (ahem) has an incredibly annoying friend who goes with you two every time you go out.

Bubba Franks has gone WAY BEYOND liability.

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by jebmak (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:10am

Wow, I can't believe that I am losing on my pick of GB -3.5. What a crock.

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by jebmak (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:10am

Wow, I can't believe that I am losing on my pick of GB -3.5. What a crock.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:11am

130-

I was trying to be polite. You're a fan of the team so you can be far harsher than I could. :)

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:12am

Post 128:

The guy has been the anchor for the franchise my entire football watching life. He held his own until about 3 years. I figure it's my turn.

And you know what? He's still one of the five best players on the team. That's either a d*mning indictment of the Packers talent level or a credit to a 37 year old man playing this sport.

But if you want to mock me have it Sparky.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:12am

and, breathe out. It's been fun.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:12am

Well, that was a fairly disapointing game all in all.

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by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:13am

Favre padding his 4th Q comeback resume, eh? This must be one of the worst ones..

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:14am

That would be "until about 3 years ago."

The defense surprised me. I figured Jackson for some big runs a la Donovan McNabb who has routinely humiliated the Packers by simply breaking containment.

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by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:15am

135

Strange definition of fun. But at least I got to see Packers win a game this season...

Packers in the playoffs? Oh, man... I can actually see the Bears 3rd stringers throwing the last game and Packers going to 8-8... Win one for Brett!!

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:17am

Post 137:

Actually, Favre's record in the 4th quarter isn't that impressive compared to many other quarterbacks. The last few years Number 4 has not been able to bring the team back late in the game.

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by Paul (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:17am

Minnesota, according to Yahoo! Sports, only had 104 net yards of offense all night long.

Where does that rank up there with the worst in a long time?

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:18am

Paul:

Tennessee had less then 100 against Jax and won the game thanks to a bunch of defensive TDs.

It's not uncommon.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:23am

This evening Bubba Frank dropped four passes, three that would have resulted in first downs, fumbled twice losing one (around the goal line), and had a holding call that nullified a play that put GB inside the Minnesota 5.

Either Franks had money on the Vikes or he is the biggest mound of horsesh*t thise side of the Mississippi.

And has been two years now.

He is the definition of WASHED UP. Only he had to have some ability to lose to quality.

Which he didn't.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:24am

to QUALIFY, not quality.

Guess I'm tired. It's late. Kind of. And watching this team makes me tired.

Why couldn't they go 4-12, get a high pick, and then fire away in '07? Sigh..........

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by Harris (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:24am

Re: #134

So long as we understand our roles. If you're going to defend a grown man by reacting like a mother protecting her retarted 4-year-old, then I'm going to have fun at your expense.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:26am

I should have BEEN THERE. Stupid Colorado blizzard.

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by David (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:27am

How did the team that gave up 200 yards on the ground to Shaun Alexander a few weeks ago basically shut town Taylor tonight?

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by NF (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:38am

147:

I'm guessing conditions were less than ideal, and the Vikings play half their games in a dome.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:45am

Post 145:

The man wants to play and nobody in a position to do anything is getting in his way. Now if McCarthy and/or Thompson stepped up and told him thanks but no thanks I would support that move. While I don't think Rodgers is worth a flying f**k it's time for the team to move on.

But it's his life and his career and if he wants to keep trying so be it. Retirement lasts forever in his profession.

All I am guilty of is demonstrating some loyalty to a franchise player past his prime.

I think folks just hurling invective his way for sport is unseemly.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:52am

I don't think you can fault Favre for playing. He is hypercompetitive, just like all successful atheletes. And frankly he is still a decent QB. The main problem is with the GB front office, and with people acting like he is still amazing (which you see less of these days).

If MIN has Farve I am guessing they are 8-7 right now instead of 6-9.

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by BadgerT1000 (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 2:02am

Becephalus:

Number 4 only looks ok because at this particular moment the level of QB play, particularly in the NFC with McNabb out, ain't so hot.

His accuracy has suffered. He loses his legs as the season progresses which affects his ability to throw out of the pocket. His decision-making near the goal line has gone from questionable to horrible as his arm cannot compensate for the risks he takes.

He has his moments because he knows the offense, he can still make his share of throws, and his teammates think the world of him. What hasn't been discussed here very much is the semi-coaching role Favre has taken with the team with so many young players.

But right now the team has one, ONE, playmaker on offense in Donald Driver.

As all can see the tight ends are ciphers. Green needs blocking help to get yards. Greg Jennings has hit the WALL.

So it's Favre and Driver. And Donald is one hit away from being crated in ice until next season.

Sigh....

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by Sid (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 2:25am

Well, Favre made a valiant effort, but he'll fall short of the INT record this season. He's 5 short. Oh, and he's 7 short of the TD record.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 4:03am

There are few teams on which a Vikings receiver could make the roster. On those few occasions when they obtain seperation, they either drop it, or they have it called back for a really stupid penalty. I really am getting convinced that Williamson has trouble tracking the ball, depite all the assertions that his eyesight checks out fine.

It really is hard to judge Tavaris Jackson's play, except to note the obvious, that he looked like a rookie, because nobody ever, ever, gets open, or the pass protection is substandard. They oughta have Jackson throw about forty passes against the Rams in 10 days, just to try to better gauge his ability.

As much as I'd love to see the Vikings draft a good edge pass rusher, they just about have to pull a Millen, and take a receiver high again, even if it means trading up to get a Calvin Johnson or Ted Ginn. They cannot go into next season with this receiving corps, and it is doubtful whether any high quality wrs are going to be on the free agent market this winter.

I should have realized that this team was likely doomed to sub .500 the moment good ol' Drunken Koren Robinson dove off the wagon. He made a ton of big plays in the Vikings' 2nd half surge last year, and they missed that all year this season.

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by peachy (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 4:06am

#142 - Thank you so much for bringing up that delightful memory - I hope Darren McFadden leaves cleat marks on your linebackers.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 9:18am

Just saw this article that may explain some of Gumbel's miscalls:

"Collinsworth told Gumbel not to "worry about dotting the i's and crossing the t's and saying, 'The guy got to the 37-yard line.'"

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by MCS (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:17pm

Regarding Green Bay in the red zone. I seriously (no statistical evidence) believe that their inability to convert is directly related to the inability of the TE to get open or make a catch in traffic.

I seem to recall that Favre was at his best when he had the security blanket of the sure handed TE. I think back 7-12 years and how successful the Sprint Right Option was with Jackson and later Chmura. Even Bubba for a little while.

My memory tells me that when plays were breaking down, Favre went to Chmura more often then anyone else.

In summary: Go Bubba! and take David Martin with you.

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by smashmouth football (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:29pm

Is the Vikings rushing D as good as the stats suggest? They seem a lock to eclipse the previous NFL record set by the 2000 Ravens, who as I recall, allowed 970 rush yards for the season. Thus far, after 15 games, the Vikings have allowed only 817 rush yards. Pretty impressive. Makes you wonder what parts of the team suck--something has to explain why this team went nowhere this year.

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by cjfarls (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:36pm

Thank you Badger et.al. for giving me a very fun read and way to waste time at work today... I'm really only laughing in your general direction... As mediocre as my Donkeys have been this year, its always nice to know it could be FAR worse (and this wasn't even a Detroit or Houston game!).

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by MCS (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 12:50pm

I think it's pretty clear what parts of the team suck.

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by Rick (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 1:26pm

To all of you who had the fortitude to watch the Packers/Vikings games last night, all I can say is: better you than me.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 4:29pm

157 - the Vikings are good against the run, but a lot of that statistic has been built up by teams not trying. Part of that is that they are good at, yes... but a lot of it is how vulnerable their pass defense is. They get little rush, and receivers find open spots. Its almost as reliable as running at times... if their pass defense were better, people would probably try to rush more on them.

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by B (not verified) :: Fri, 12/22/2006 - 6:18pm

According to DVOA, Minn is 1st against the run by a large margin (15%), and 18th against the pass. Those numbers are buffeted somewhat by people not running against them, but the run defense really is the best in the league. Despite the bad pass defense, teams do try to run on the Vikings occasionally, and they fail.

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by morganja (not verified) :: Sat, 12/23/2006 - 8:57pm

Alright!
Oakland - Kansas City.

Is everyone here because they have a defense playing in Fantasy Football? In the Spirit of Christmas, I hope we all get shutouts and the game ends in overtime, 0-0.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/23/2006 - 11:07pm

RE: 99

He's 5 away from the INT record and 7 away from the TD record.
0 TDs (except TD passes to the other team) and 5 INTs in his last two games.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 12/23/2006 - 11:11pm

RE: 118

C’mon folks. Tell me again how this loss is all Favre’s fault.

While there has been some Favre-bashing on this site, most of this is just you being paranoid. Every time there's a Green Bay game you make these posts. I didn't see a single comment knocking Favre, but you brought it up multiple times.
No, Favre is not responsible for everything, but he isn't a very good QB at this point in his career.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 12/23/2006 - 11:48pm

#163:

I benched Eddie Kennison for Devery Henderson. I'm not sure whether it was or was not a good idea.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:16am

I benched Justin Fargas. Surprisingly, he's done well. Oh well, because of Rivers, Chad Johnson, and Steve Smith, I'm playing for 3rd place in a 12 team league instead of first.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:19am

Wow, past halftime and this game has generated what, 5 comments? counting this one...

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:20am

A moment of silence for Larry Johnson's career.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:27am

Well, since not many people can watch it, and it involves the Raiders, can't say I'm surprised.

LJ just got his 370th carry about 15 minutes ago. Cue the soundtrack from Top Gun.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:31am

A Doug Gabriel sighting! Remind me, why did the Pats cut him again?

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:34am

#171: And tackled by Ty Law after 11 yards. Don't remind me why the Patriots let him go.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:38am

Re: 172

It was 3rd and 6. 11 yards sounds plenty good to me.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:45am

A 79 yard pass is intercepted, wow.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:47am

173: I was referring to Ty Law.

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by SJM (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 12:51am

Oh, sorry.

I'm glad I can't see this game. What an interception/fumble fest.

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by Tim R (not verified) :: Sun, 12/24/2006 - 1:07am

RIP Larry Johnson. You were great for all of about the one season you got to play before Herm Edwards killed you.