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Week 6 MNF Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Week 6 Monday Night Football between Chicago and Arizona, a.k.a. "Funny, I never got hit like this at USC."


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by Cid (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 2:20am

Joe Theismann's keys to this game:

Whether the Cardinals can run the ball and play defense, and whether the Bears can pressure Leinart and score.

Joe really knows how to get INSIDE the game.

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by John Boy Walton (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:22am

Joe is currently having breakfast with Red Grange, Steve Owen and Chuck Mercein.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:58am

Joe Theisman just referred to Miami as "The M" and followed that up by talking about how Rex Grossman is "everything that Lovie Smith thought he would be in 2003 when Lovie SMith drafted him."

The only problems with that being:

1. Rex Grossman was drafted in 2003.

2. Lovie Smith wasn't involved with the Chicago Bears until 2004.

3. My brain tells me Lovie Smith could not have possibly drafted Rex Grossman.

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by Ron Mexico (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:50am

Re:#2

Well, Red Grange is on Tony K's fantasy team.

So there!

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:50am

OK folks ... I'm really looking forward to this game!

(mainly cause I wanna see the new stadium ...)

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by David Ferrier (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 4:09pm

Sorry for posting off topic, but what does the stat "FK" mean for QB's?

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by Steve Sandvik (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 4:57pm

Fumbles kept?

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by OMO (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 7:03pm

Joe Theisman script:

The other day, I was having/at(insert meai or meal-type event or meeting or meeting-type event) with (insert name of player, coach, trainer, human, mascot, dog of player, etc.) and he mentioned to me that (insert very obvious football trite state, e.g., we have to tackle well to win this game).

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by OMO (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 7:05pm

Another semi-off-topic comment.

I know TO got 3 TDs yesterday...but does anyone else think he pushed off big time to get TDs one and two?

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 7:40pm

Theismann's mistake about the drafting of Rex Grossman came in his comments on Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio. Later, on the Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio, Theismann showed he was equally uninformed about the Bears defense, referring to Bears rookie DE Mark Anderson, who was tied for 3rd in the league with 5.5 sacks entering this weekend, as "Michael Anderson."

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by Cid (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 7:50pm

I think Mark Anderson is the "new" KGB. He's undersized for an every down DE, but man can he rush the passer.

It will be interesting to see if he makes Alex Brown an expendable player. There's talk that they want to lock up Tommie Harris with a new (gigantic, most likely) contract at the end of this season. If they do that, bring Briggs back, and do a new contract for Grossman, that doesn't leave much for guys like Brown.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 7:54pm

The new "Man Laws" commercial where they take fans to task for using the stale "D" "Fence" props and suggest alternatives was awesome... I love alternatives: "B" "Lock", Nickel & Dime (Jimmy Johnson) and "Off" "Fence" (Eddie Griffin).

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by Nate (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:16pm

Cid (11) - Alex Brown is under contract through 2009, as is Ogunleye. Brown got a pretty reasonable contract too, I believe. 15M over 5, IIRC. Harris is under contract through 2008, but we will probably lock him up forever early. The way we rotate d-linemen, there is no reason for us to move Alex Brown.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:16pm

Alex Brown already got a multi-year contract extension a year or two ago. He is under contract for several more years already. No way they let him go, espectially with their emphasis on quality depth on the defensive line. More likely gone after this year is Ian Scott, whose contract expires after this year. Tank Johnson is now starting ahead of Scott, and Dusty Dvoracek should be back from his injury next year to replace Scott in the rotation.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:37pm

And what makes Theismans comment about Grossman and Lovie Smith even more unreal is the fact that Lovie Smith and the Bears had so much faith in Rex Grossman that they used a first day pick on Kyle Orton last year.

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by Nate (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:47pm

Orton was a fourth rounder.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:50pm

Oh.

Still, it's a mistake he shouldn't have made. And he was so damned sure of it.

"LOVIE SMITH KNEW WHAT HE WAS GETTING WHEN HE DRAFTED HIM!"

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 8:50pm

Actually, Orton was a second day draft pick. He was taken in the fourth round. And that doesn't say anything about the Bears' confidence in Grossman. Good teams often take quarterbacks in the later rounds of the draft for depth. Remember, Green Bay drafted players like Mark Brunell and Matt Hasselbeck despite having Brett Favre. That didn't indicate a lack of confidence in Favre.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:06pm

My pick for tonight .... 31-13 Bears

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:08pm

Berman just compared the '85 Bears to Roseanne and Oprah.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:09pm

The important pick we should make- who will the interview be, and when?

I'm guessing one of the Bidwells, with 6:20 left in the 2nd quarter.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:11pm

Great TV right there. Irvin went on a 20 minute rant about why Lovie Smith was going to be better than Mike Ditka and everyone on the set was trying to get him to shut up.

And he kept talking.

"LET THE COACH TALK MICHAEL!"

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by seven year lion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:15pm

So far Chris Berman has used the nickname Brian "Davey Jones'" Urlacher and told me that Da Bear are un-da-feated. Shouldn't he have some internal voice that says "hey wait, this might not make any sense."

He leaves out a whole syllable for Urlacher. That is terrible. Mabye he should try Matt "Pat on the" Hasselbeck, or go back to baseball and give us Barry "ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXY" Zito. I think the Zito one would leave him particularly happy with himself.

What demo does he appeal to? Unsuccessful comedy writers? Recovering comb-over victims? Are there a lot of people who can only wait 14:57 before hearing the next NFL draft pick instead of the full 15:00?

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by jeff (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:18pm

the new arizona stadium is pretty sweet

that being said this is 30-10 chicago win

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by billy boob (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:18pm

I'M A QUATERBACK THERES A CHANCE

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:19pm

Berman's job is to prepare the audience for Tirico & co.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:20pm

Rocco: I pick Jim Belushi or Bill Murray with 7:30 left in the second quarter.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:20pm

The Edge: "Its hard to go anywhere when you don't have anywhere to go."

well there's always your own end zone...

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by AZ Fan (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:20pm

hey for everyone thinks that the bears will win easy

LET ME ROCK YOUR WORLD

Ogunleeya IS OUTTTTTTTTTTTTT

arizona 35-32 in OT

Matt "Lion's Den" Lienhart
400 passing yards

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by jeff (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:22pm

that way my lowest point, as a human

you heard of.. curtis enos

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:23pm

The Mayne Event is easily the best NFL feature EVAR!

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:23pm

How about Jim Belushi AND Bill Murray?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:24pm

Rocco - put me down for Steve Nash.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:25pm

scratch that. Charles Barkley, plays up the phoenix losing to chicago angle.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:26pm

AZ Fan: Ogunleye was out last week, too. Final score: Chicago 40, Buffalo 7.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:27pm

I love this HDTV thing... I counted 2,135,424 hairs on that elephants butt, but I might be off, do to the mirrors.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:28pm

Jacked up is old hat.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:29pm

Nice hit? He KNEED him in the helmet. Ugh.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:29pm

They didn't save a "jacked up" for halftime? What will we do during the break?

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:30pm

Anybody else yearn to see Dr. Z do a new feature TV? "Wrapped up" maybe? With the only 3 form tackles in the NFL each week?

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by seven year lion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:36pm

Is Butkis really "more famous" than Walter Payton? As to TK's second question, I would say that Lawrence Taylor is certainly the most famous Giant ever.

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:36pm

Bill Murray is in Scotland for the Highland Games, I think, sorry guys.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:37pm

FIU/Miami wasn't part of the "Jacked Up" .... ? amazing :-P

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:39pm

It seems that those in the teams' markets get MNF on ABC. Weird.

IRC's still up, if anyone wants to share the misery.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:39pm

Interview SHOULD be Pat Tillman's parents, but it won't be ....

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:39pm

This game should be named the Paris Hilton bowl.

credit to deadspin.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:41pm

Fnor, ever since ESPN started televising games, they have been required to be televised on a broadcast channel in the markets of the two teams.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:43pm

No Suzy Kolber? If they were smart they'd show us more Rachel Nichols. In fact, they should put one of those iso cams on Rachel Nichols all night.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:44pm

Oh god, if they keep calling him 'Rexy' all night...

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:45pm

Yes, Dick Butkus is more famous than Walter Payton:

Dick Butkus:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124792/

vs 1 Co-Hosting of SNL for Payton.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:46pm

Berrian is kinda swift ... isn't he?

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by Dave Brude (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:47pm

ARI +14!

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:49pm

What got into the cardinals? I'm sure this is a momentary aberration, and they'll crash down soon enough.... right?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:52pm

If they crash it better be soon- I can only survive 2 XP or a FG from Rackers in my fantasy league. Although I'm the commish, and I can cheat if necessary. :)

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by Roland (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:53pm

way to miss that tackle. jeez.

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by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:54pm

It's still early, but don't tell me the Bears are flashing back to their playoff game against the Panthers and the whole "we should win this game going away" lack of effort.

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by JonL (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:55pm

Well, that was certainly impressive.

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by Erasmus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 9:57pm

Thank you Johnson-I need all the fantasy points I can get..

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:00pm

How can Rolle miss that?

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by Michael David Smith :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:01pm

Hey, Joe: Dropping an interception on a long bomb on third down isn't the end of the world.

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by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:01pm

Should somebody tell Thiesmann that the Int would have netted about the same yardage as a punt?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

Someone wake up Nick Bucconti! Larry Csonka!

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

Antrelle Rolle went to school at The M!

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

Hrm. I think I'm considering taking back what I said about not having INT problems on the long ball with Grossman.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

Oh, wait, if it happens they still got the Colts...

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by Roland (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

The playcallers on the london telecast are really, really irritating.

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by seven year lion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:02pm

How many yards do you think the Cards gave up by not getting that INT. Rolle would have caught it at the 27 going the wrong way. There wasn't really anyone around him though hard to say exactly where he would have ended up. if he started running.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:03pm

Leinart may be wired, but he's not sync'd to his video.

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by JonL (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:04pm

Man, the Bears receiver really gave up on that pass. He and Grossman were really lucky it wasn't intercepted.

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by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:05pm

That turnover, on the other hand, is costly.

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by Erasmus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:05pm

I am glad Mark Anderson is starting.

Alabama players representing!! Too bad Roman Harper is out for the season...

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:06pm

incomplete. not sure if its indisputible enough though... if this were the officials from the Miami/NYJ game yesterday, they uphold the field ruling.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:09pm

MAn, a bug sure crawled up Tiricos butt tonight.

Kornheiser: If the screen goes blank can you put another quarter in and get another 15 seconds?

Tirico: No.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:10pm

that was cute Tony ....

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:14pm

Could there be anyone more unfunny than Tony Kornheiser?

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:14pm

I wonder if the broadcast would improve if we substituted Norman Chad for Tony Kornheiser?

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:15pm

75

Dennis Miller.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:16pm

So, that's three drives, 2 should-be interceptions, and an actual interception.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:16pm

Do the Bears run any trick plays?

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by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:17pm

Maybe the Bears should stop trying the long passes on 3rd down.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:17pm

Re:#77

Nah. Miller was funnier. Kornheiser is completely useless.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:17pm

My my my

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:18pm

Maybe they should double Boldin. Wouldn't want another Steve Smith repeat.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:19pm

hmmm .... maybe they should onside kick now?

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:20pm

Dennis Miller was funny if you had a masters degree in 17th century european history.

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by Quinn (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:22pm

What about Tim Couch? Too crummy?

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:23pm

Great conversation. I know I want to hear about who Joe Theisman plowed in his playing days.

I wonder if he tried to overanalyze it in the act, you know, like "I had lunch with your best friend yesterday, and she told me that you don't like it when......"

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by masocc (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:24pm

Roland, #66: So you're saying London gets the American feed too?

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by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:25pm

the answer is obviously Brett Favre.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:25pm

You mean Tim "is watching football on his" Couch. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. I'm funny. See I can be like Chris Berman.

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by Gerry (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:25pm

Matt Leinart is amused by the simplicity of this game.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:27pm

Didn't the girl that dated Tim Couch also date Cade McNown?

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by AZ fan (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:28pm

i called this fucking shit

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by seven year lion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:29pm

90: Close, but even that is too clever for Mr. Berman. I think he'd prefer Tim "One of the things you can buy in Ikea is a comfortable, leather, three-seat" Couch.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:30pm

Joe, on the 3rd and 12: "The Chicago Bears finally got the Arizona Cardinals where they wanted them: 3rd and long."

Except when it was 3rd and 11 just recently, and the Cards converted.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:30pm

Wow. A tip of the cap to the guy that predicted Charles Barkley.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:30pm

nice call on the interview andrew.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:31pm

Lamar Thomas is now available for MNF duty ....

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:31pm

Congrats andrew. We need a prize for this.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:32pm

prize: a gift certificate to the "pink taco"?

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by AZ fan (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:32pm

BANG

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:32pm

4 drives. 2 would-be interceptions. 2 interceptions.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:33pm

oh good lord. Guess Grossman really is trying to be like Farve (2005 version).

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:33pm

You hear that? Thats the sound of egg hitting the collective faces of the ESPN network.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:34pm

BARKLEY!!!!!!

I CALLED IT!!!!!

look back on post 34! this is more amazing than AZ Fan's prediction!!!!

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:34pm

shoulda been the fourth int for grossman and we're 18 minutes into the game.

best of luck with this guy over the course of a season, chitown fans

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:36pm

OK, here's my fantasy football situation. Everyone off the edge of your seat now, we don't want anyone getting hurt. :-)

I need Chicago D to get maybe a couple sacks and INTs and generally play decent.. not great to win. However, I have Matt Leinhart on my bench in a keeper league. So if he eats the CHI D up, I just might trade him (I have Hasselbeck as my #1). Either way I win. Yay. :-)

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by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:36pm

This is why I love the NFL.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:36pm

If this holds up, what will this do to the Beatpaths?

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:36pm

at least he isn't touting an ABC/ESPN series

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by B (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:37pm

Is this the sound of the Chicago bandwagon bursting into flames? Would it be trite to point out that 5-1 isn't that different from 5-0? And the Bears still have the inside track to the #1 seed.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:37pm

Tony Kornheiser hasn't mentioned his fantasy team yet.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:38pm

does his fantasy team include paris hilton (or cathy lee crosby)?

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:40pm

Tell us how you really feel about TO, CHarles.

And heres a question. Why are we talking about TO?

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by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:40pm

It seems like the Bears were taking a lot of bad angles while they try to tackle, overrunning guys and the like at the beginning of the game. Do you think they were buying into their own myth, thinking they were tougher, faster, and stronger than normal NFL players?

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by LMSx (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:40pm

Tony Kornheiser asking Charles Barkley what he thinks about Terrell Owens.

I now have negative interest in the game.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:41pm

do they have different announcers for espn deportes? or do they just dub?

118
by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:41pm

If I were the Bears I would have gone for it there.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:42pm

is brian griese warming up yet?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:44pm

I hate to say it, but Barkley is an improvement over the banter b efore.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:46pm

cut edge, start francisco at running back. dude's got some skills.

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by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:49pm

This game makes me wonder, how important is simply "wanting it more" in the NFL? Is it decideing 75% of the games in the NFL?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:50pm

I'm trying to think of a worse game by Chicago in terms of expectations....

1961, when they lost to the fist game by the expansion Vikings 37-13 is the only one that comes to mind...

(of course this is assuming it holds up).

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:50pm

Ok, everyone use the "email Tony" feature to ask Joe how he feels about predicting that the Bears would go 16-0 last week.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:52pm

I know its any given SUNDAY, but if this happens, I think we need to shift the column...

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by ScottB (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:52pm

50% Wanting it more, 25% swagger

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:53pm

mistake to not decline the penalty?

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:54pm

guess not. 2nd bad snap in series.

129
by Fnor (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:55pm

the game is far from over, guys. Remember, this is Arizona's defence we're talking about.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:55pm

"You have to give the Bidwells credit.......they are really trying to win."

W-O-W.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:56pm

I think its time to break the rule and let Jim McMahon play despite not practicing all week.

132
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:56pm

Worse franchise in NFL?
Lions or Cardinals?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:56pm

christ, who gives a flip about a jay-z video

134
by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:56pm

Ummm.... World premeire? I saw that video earlier today on BET.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:56pm

OHHHHHH SNAP! Coming up at halftime it's WORLD PREMIERE OF THE NEW JAY-Z VIDEO!

Fanfreakintastic.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:57pm

130. Since I don't want to pay for ESPN and am not watching the game, let me guess who said that. Ummmmm..... Joe Theisman?

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by Nick (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:57pm

Has Grossman thrown any good passes tonight?
They have all been sailing or inaccurate. That last int was gonna be 5 yards behind berrian anyway.

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:57pm

They should really just have Barkely comment on everything. Figure skating? Barkley. Football? Barkley. Dog show? Barkley.

There's really no such thing as too much Sir Charles, especially when he's talking up the Cards.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:57pm

and they spelled Premiere WRONG!

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by Harris (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:58pm

The Buzzsaw up 17-0? I worked late figuring this would be a laugher. What madness is this?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 10:58pm

did theismann just call francisco 'frisco'?

he's as drunk as i am.

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by Mike (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:00pm

Edge looks fried to me, that first down run after the fumble rec just now, he had alot of space to cut back to his left and pretty much just fell down.

I know he's not getting good blocks, but he doesn't look like what you expect from the Edge, either.

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by P. Ryan Wilson :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:01pm

141:

Yep, Theismann is a big Jack Wagner fan. Like that surprises anybody.

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by pcs (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:01pm

Holy crap.

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by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:01pm

Brace yourself for the talking heads tomorrow...

Same old Bears offense! Bad quarterback play! The Bears have a lot of work to do! Rex Grossman has lost it! The Cardinals are heading to the playoffs!

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by Nick (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:01pm

Rexy has been watching Brett Favre too much

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by Tarrant (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:01pm

You know these guys have been up in arms over "momentum" since the start of the game. It seems like every time Chicago has the ball, at least one announcer says "And now they have the momentum." Momentum momentum momentum. I recognize that momentum is meaningful in NFL games, but come on!

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:02pm

so lets recap: if zona dbs can catch, that's *six* turnovers in 28 min for grossman.

quit running the ball... leinart's looking good with the short passing game. keep chucking and ducking, az.

149
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:02pm

I think its the "sexy" talk. Grossman is too Hollywood.

150
by seven year lion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:03pm

About the Jay-Z video, do you think NASCAR approached Jay-Z, or do you think Jay-Z approached NASCAR?

151
by johnt (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:03pm

Bears oline looks pretty awful.

152
by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:03pm

Watching this game with this broadcast makes me realize how much I miss the Paul Maguire days. I was watching whatever college game MAguire was doing on Saturday and as hard as it is to believe, he was even more amazing in that game than he ever was with the NFL games.

And by amazing I mean doing absolutely nothing to improve the broadcast. The previous crew was unbeatable, combined with Patrick, Theisman, and Kolber you had 4 people that didn't do dick......

153
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:05pm

125. As hyped as I am to read the great FO analysis about how my beloved Bucs won, I'd have to agree that the Cards winning this game would be the bigger upset, and probably a more interesting breakdown of how they did it.

154
by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:05pm

its not about momentum. you've got a qb who is 13-for-18 (with one mistake which didn't hurt them). let him do his job.

155
by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:05pm

Wow, Grossman just turned out the worst half of any quarterback all season.

156
by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:06pm

Maybe we can ask Ned nicely and get a special AGS, if this result holds?

157
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:07pm

who plays Hips Don't Lie during a football game?

158
by Mike (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:07pm

Down 17-0, half about to end.. lets ice the kicker!

Lovie's stretching.

159
by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:07pm

Man, I wish Barkley had taken them up on staying in the both forever.

160
by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:08pm

since 1992, the Bears have only been favored by more than 10 points TWICE ...

they are 0-2 in those games ATS ...

161
by Pat (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:08pm

#156: I concur. Bucs over Bengals is a good choice as well, but we can't miss out on Cardinals over Bears if it happened. That'll be by far the biggest upset of the year so far.

162
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:09pm

Wow I needed 5 pts from CHI def and am not looking like I am going to get it...I also sat rackers this week :(

163
by Cid (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:10pm

I'm just glad Joe finally figured out that Bertrand's last name is Berry and not Berrian.

By the way, where's that guy Paul, who was so upset when people suggested that Grossman has been a tad lucky so far?

164
by Josh (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:11pm

This is incredible. I am losing in my fantasy league by 15 pts to a guy with Grossman. In our league, TOs are -3 pts. I could actually almost win this. GO REXY!

165
by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:16pm

Would a FO breakdown of this game actually be interesting? I think it's pretty damn clear why the Bears are down 20 at the end of the first half.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:17pm

I knew they had something special planned when they didn't let TJ do his "jacked up" #1 at halftime. But I am just speachless. Jimmy Kimmel... the songs from last year...

worst halftime show ever...

167
by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:20pm

C'mon, that was much more entertaining than frickin' "I like it, I love it" from last season.

168
by Kal (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:21pm

Yikes. 20-0 at the half. Grossman looks horrible. All those things that scared the hell out of me are coming to play here. His gross passing off the back foot into double coverage, his taking a billion years to decide who to throw it to, his lucky passes into coverage - they're all coming to roost. This feels like the law of averages just destroying the Bears today. Their defense isn't playing great, but it's good - but when the Cards start at the 35, it's hard to defend well.

Leinart looks decent. I like the idea of the flanker screens that they're running with him. If Edge can't run the outside and the Oline can't do it, just skip the entire line and go for some TE/WR matchups that favor you. Poor Edge though. Arizona truly is where good RBs go to die.

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by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:22pm

Andrew (#165 )--

I think the interesting part is that the Cardinals are getting pressure on Grossman, and so far he looks terrible.

How they have gotten that pressure is probably worth a look.

170
by D (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:22pm

Okay, I just got out of an econ exam and I see that the Cards are up 20 to 0. What the hell happened?! Did Grossman's approach finally come back to bite him in the ass? And what about the defense?

171
by kleph (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:22pm

Re: 177

ESPN Desportes has Spanish-language announcers whose commentary is 'dubbed' over the broadcast. Former Giants kicker Raul Allegre is their main guy and, I have to say, he isn't bad at all. And, in comparison with the three stooges on Sunday nights last year, he was positively brilliant.

172
by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:23pm

I like the Matt Leinart "primal scream" TD celebration. It's much better than the Rex Grossman "oh @#%$" TD muttering.

173
by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:24pm

Re:162
The bigger issue seems to be this - what are you doing with 2 kickers?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:24pm

That should be Rex's INT muttering. I'm stupid.

175
by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:24pm

The Bears linebackers certainly look proud of themselves every time Leinart throws an incompletion.

176
by DavidP (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:25pm

smartmonies said the game was fixed all day on his site. I love it!

smartmoniesclub.com

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by zerlesen (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:26pm

The "wired" segments they do on these things are always useless - presumably because they can't use anything that features swearing - but that was a cute sideline moment:

Leinart, jubilant: "I've never seen anything like this before!" (or words to that effect)

Kurt Warner: "Me neither!"

178
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:26pm

Can someone watching the game explain what the hell is going on? I can believe that Grossman's antics are biting him in the ass, but I can't fathom how ARI's O-line is doing a passable job on CHI's front 7.

179
by Lou (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:26pm

172: Yeah, I also really enjoyed that scream. That really needs to be overplayed to a Howard Dean level

180
by Cid (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:26pm

The Arizona gameplan is identical to the gameplan the Bears themselves used to almost beat Baltimore in the 2001 season opener.

Just keep throwing the flanker screens until the defense creeps up, then throw over them, then go back to throwing screens. It doesn't work when your corners can tackle well, but no one on the Bears wants to tackle tonight. This is the second game (the first was vs Minnesota) where Urlacher looks like he doesn't know how to tackle.

181
by Chris (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:27pm

So, I entered this game with about a 13 pt lead in my fantasy game. My opponent has Edge, Thomas Jones, and the Chicago Defense. I have Muhsin Muhammad and Neil Rackers. I figured I was screwed. This, needless to say, is making my day thus far. If only Rackers had made that 52 yarder...those five points would have left me a bit more comfortable.

And yes, I realize that sounding off to strangers about my fantasy team is probably not a good sign.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:27pm

How the Cards have been able to defense the Chicago offense would be worth a very good look. I'd also be curious to see the Arizona attack and break down what's worked and hasn't.

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by D (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:28pm

And how in the hell has Zona not allowed a sack?

184
by TWD (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:28pm

What in the world?

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by TWD (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:30pm

In case you couldn't tell, I just gome home and just turned the TV on.

Shock of the century.

186
by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:30pm

we want griese ... we want griese

187
by Cid (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:31pm

178:

Arizona is setting up in the shotgun and using a LOT of flanker screens to negate the pass rush. You can see that their O-line is over matched, but it doesn't matter when the ball is gone literally before the defenders can even run to the QB. The only time they seem to throw a pass down field (and by down field I mean 5+ yards) is off of play action.

The Bears have also apparently been taking their Conventional Wisdom pills and are selling out trying to blitz the rookie. Moving away from your base defense just because you're facing a rookie QB is not that smart, but every one in football seems to do it.

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by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:31pm

that would be BOB Griese

189
by D (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:33pm

Thanks Cid.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:35pm

They should go for the TD here.

191
by Kal (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:35pm

Wow, that's a painful looking throw.

Has Benson been benched again? Why not run a couple times? Just...I don't get it.

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by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:37pm

Leinart is moving around a lot back there... That seems to be helping a lot. So far this year, the Bears have faced Jon Kitna, Brad Johnson, and Matt Hasselback... three statues... Meanwhile they also played Favre, who of course is not the Favre of old, and Losman, who sucks.

193
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:38pm

This game is a good example of why its usually not a good idea to start talking about a 16-0 season in week 6.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:38pm

173, the conventional wisdom about not holding 2 kickers makes ZERO sense. Pick good ones and they are much more worth it than waiver wire scraps who wont ever play. In most leagues the average between a good kicker day and a bad kicker day is over 3pts. thats rather significant.

I have been winning fantasy leagues for YEARS with superior def and kicker play. would you really think I would be better off with someone like b johnson on my team than having flexibility at kicker...I already have 3 other qbs (hasselbeck rivers and lienart) or maybe you think i shoudl pickup ron dayne...

195
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:44pm

What a crappy call.

196
by Vince (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:45pm

#192: Hasselbeck is not Michael Vick, but he's not Drew Bledsoe either. He can run every once in a while.

197
by Will Allen (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:46pm

If Denny Green were to go on a bender, and offer Leinert to the Bears, in return for Grossman, straight-up, would Jerry Angelo have time to convey acceptance of the offer before he fainted?

198
by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:46pm

Becephalus is grossman available?

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:46pm

Re:194

Whoa, settle on down there, the comment was largely tongue in cheek.

In my experience (over 20 years actually, I'm not green at it) I tend to find that early in the season it is better to have 1, as you can use that roster spot on a prospect or simply just to build depth to cover injuries or develop tradebait.

As the season continues I will usually end up with two for the final weeks as playing matchups becomes a more certain exercise and flexibility is good to have.

The big thing that with kickers is that it is a very inexact science as to who will be good from year to year - didnt FO somewhere comment that the correlation between seasons is not as high as some would expect.

But each to their own, no need for the Dayne or Johnson comments.

200
by andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:46pm

Kudos to Tony for calling Joe on his inconsistencies.

201
by pcs (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:46pm

For a team that's losing by three scores, the Bears certainly pound their chests and flex their muscles a lot.

202
by D (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:48pm

Anyone who has seen this whole game, has Boldin been in single coverage this whole game?

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:48pm

SOrry just sick of basically ALWAYS getting that comment when I have looked at the mah about 1000 times and the conventional wisdom is just completely wrong.

I mean obviously you dont want 2 kickers if you only have 12 roster spots, but every league I have ever played in has 18 to 25.

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:49pm

Re:201
Well given the field position and possession conceded by Grossman, they arent doing too bad a job.

205
by NF (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:49pm

How has no one talked about Barkley's reaction to TO if he was a teammate?

Also, did Barkley ever actually take that course of action?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:49pm

#201: pcs there ain't no shame in the nfl baby!

i remember an outstanding picture in si years back of larry centers in a cards uniform heroically flexing after catching a td strike right in front of ARI 7 WAS 34 in bright lights on the scoreboard

207
by TWD (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:49pm

Okay, just read the play by play data, let me see if I get this straight:

1. The ARI offense actually had a mediocre day
2. The CHI offense had a brutal day
3. 95% of the score can be explained by Rex Grossman self-destructing.

Has Arizona scored any pointed on a drive NOT the result of a turnover?

208
by Andrew (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:51pm

207: First drive was off of a punt, Leinart TD to #80 Johnson.

209
by NF (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:51pm

The Bears appear to have forgotten how to tackle. All a guy has to do is takle Arrignton in the open field, and instead lets him run for 6 YAC and the first.

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by Dean from Oz (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:51pm

Re203;

Aha, I think we're on to something there...I've only ever played on 14-16 squad sizes, where there are 8-9 starters....generally I have 2QB, 4RB, 4-5WR, TE/KI/DE and then the last 1-2 spots are dependent on FAs available and my strengths and weaknesses.

211
by Mike (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:52pm

TWD: I recall AZ scored on their initial possession, but I could be wrong about that - it sure seemed that way anyway, I wasnt watching the game closely until the 2nd TD when I realized 'holy crap, this is watchable'

212
by Will Allen (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:53pm

I think it is likely that, five years fron now, Leinert lasting as long as he did in the first round will be viewed as even a worse case of poor group-think than Randy Moss dropping as far as he did.

213
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:54pm

TWD (#207 )--

1. Arizona's offense having an average day against Chicago's defense is shocking.
2. True.
3. Nah, only about 67%.

214
by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:54pm

[212]

Leinart was a poster boy.
Moss was a problem child.

215
by Rocco (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:55pm

#207- The big thing is the Cards aren't turning the ball over. The Bears can't seem to move the ball at all tonight- they look dependent on short fields, and deep bombs. At this point, the Cards defense isn't giving them anything deep.

The Cards have been a bit spotty offensively in the 2nd half- they can't run the ball, the receivers have dropped some passes, and they seem to playing Tresselball inside the redzone. But they're protecting Leinart much better than I'd have expected.

216
by Diane (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:59pm

can the bears run a no-huddle offense?

217
by joepinion (not verified) :: Mon, 10/16/2006 - 11:59pm

"Kurt Warner has stabalized the position." -- Joe T.

218
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:00am

That was so a catch

219
by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

Hello!

220
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

YES YES!!!!!!!!!

221
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

Mark Anderson!!!!!!

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by pcs (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

ok. now they can pound their chests.

223
by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

Well, that's one way to win. Just keep punting on offense and hope the D does the rest.

224
by joepinion (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:01am

Awwwwwwwww $4!t

225
by D (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:02am

Its about f*cking time.

226
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:02am

I guess not challenging that catch worked out. Shrewd move Lovie

227
by calig23 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:02am

So, how soon before Edge averages under a yard per carry? He's at 1.8 in this game right now.

Hmm.... Do we have a game now?

228
by Rocco (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:02am

And right as I post that, Leinart gets drilled by an unblocked lineman, fumbles, and it's taken back for 6. Very classy celebration by the Bears- you're still down 13.

229
by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:03am

It looks like the Bears D finally showed up. I don't care if fumble recoveries are random, Leinart was pounded there and that play was losing yardage anyway you put it.

230
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:05am

Is there an adjustment in random fumble luck that accounts for Mike Brown?

231
by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:06am

Fumble recoveries on sacks are more likely to be recovered by the defense, IIRC - because of plays like that, where the defense is going the right direction. It's not a huge deal - something like 60% - but it's more likely.

Man, I feel bad for Leinart. That lineman is paying for his own dinner.

232
by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:06am

Thank you everybody for filling me in. 215, I guess you stand corrected. ;)

What surprises me is that considering the consensus opinion on the ARI offensive line, and the fact that edge has (once again) 44 yards on 24 carries, the bears seem to have been getting very little pressure on Leinart. I'm not sure he's even been sacked.

233
by paytonrules (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:06am

To the Bears fans in this thread, it's my fault, I'm sorry.

Let me tell you a story.

In 1995 the Bears signed "superstar" Bryan Cox and Dave Wandstedt made the comment all the pieces are in place for a Super Bowl run. On the opening night, on Monday Night football, the Bears beat the Dallas Cowboys behind a Curtis Conway trick play and Cox recovering a fumble in the endzone. The next day I was so excited I started collecting Sun Times commemorative posters of the Bears (95 Bears with their 85 counterpart) and went out and with my hard earned Summer job cash bought a Bryan Cox jersey.

The Bears went 8-7 the rest of the way, didn't make the playoffs, started Steve Walsh, and generally stank. Bryan Cox blew chunks. I vowed never to buy a Jersey again.

This weekend I was so excited about this team I bought a Walter Payton reto jersey at Kohls. My bad. Sorry. They'll probably go 5-11.

234
by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:07am

I mean, other than the fumble, of course.

235
by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:09am

#214, yes I realize that, but the point is that various peripheral concerns resulted in two players dropping farther than their college performance warranted. Ironically, Green engaged in the same mistake that he benefitted from with regards to Moss and Leinert, when he passed on Warren Sapp, and instead drafted DE Derrick Alexander, a slow-footed player who never amounted to anything.

I can see being hesitant to use top three cap space on a guy with various issues, but for Leinert to fall to 11, Moss to 18, and Sapp to, I believe, about 12 is a good example of a group getting to caught up in extraeneous matters.

236
by joepinion (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:10am

Boldin = da man.
Ha-eesh Ata, Boldin!

237
by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:10am

Wrap Up!!!!!

238
by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:10am

Mike Brown being carted off.... ouch!

Hope that wasn't the result of celebration...

239
by Vince (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:10am

RE: Sapp/Moss/Leinart: With Sapp and Moss, there were at least off-field things to worry about. Leinart was pretty much clean. I think his dropping was just a result of the entire league out-thinking itself.

240
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:11am

Wow, Edge just made something out of nothing there. That was really impressive.

Only in Arizona is an 8 yard rush really impressive.

241
by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:12am

edge'd gain more yards in white shoes.

242
by Diane (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:13am

somewhere out there .... billy "white shoes" johnson is crying ...

243
by Rocco (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:14am

Well, the crappy Cardinals line we're used to has returned to the game. That, and the Bears decided to make an appearance on defense. They're finally able to hit Leinart.

244
by joepinion (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:14am

If the Bears cross midfield, it's panic time for the Cards.

245
by Richard Something (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:14am

"White shoes are for golf, black shoes are for football." Thank you for that insightful commentary Joe Theisman! I wonder if red shoes would be effective at all?

246
by D (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:15am

I can't wait to see Grossman trying to run a quick tempo catch up offense (I'm not sure they'll go full on hurry up yet).

247
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:17am

Try stepping up in the pocket for a change Rex

248
by Harris (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:17am

It's a shame that those of you who don't live in the Philadelphia area can't see the trashy, raisin-smuggling white girl in the Buyafastcar.com ad, the worst commercial in the history of the known universe.

249
by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:18am

Dear God, K's comparing this game to the Monday Night game in Miami in 1985.

Just put down the crack pipe, Tony.

250
by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:18am

so its not just the az dbs that can't catch... christ have there been a lot of dropped balls in this game on every front or what?

251
by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:21am

#250: It's very, very hard to catch Grossman passes no matter what side of the ball you're on, apparently.

Well, this would be the game that gives us the balance for the Bears on DVOA, at least offensively. I can't say the Bears played that badly on defense, but offense? Ugh.

252
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:22am

Has Chicago only had 2 good teams in the last 20 years?

253
by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:22am

They oughta put a shock collar on Grossman, and every time he heaves one of those half-assed, off-the-back-foot, toss-aways that just barely gets to the sideline, Ron Turner should make ol' Rexy do the full tilt electric boogie.

254
by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:22am

#239,

Wasn't there concern about Leinart's "L.A. celebrity" status going to his head? I don't know if that was as a factor as Moss or Sapp off-field issues.

255
by joepinion (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:24am

Leinart, methinks, was hurt in the draft by the insanely high quality of the three USC teams he started for. He hadn't really proved much from a certain perspective, because he always had a great o-line and great playmakers.

256
by Nick (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:25am

Even throws an INT on the offside

257
by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:25am

254. Arm strength also IIRC. At least compared to Cutler and Young I think.

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by LMSx (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:25am

Thank god Denny Green is coach of the Cardinals, if he was competent and ran, taking 40 seconds off the clock with each play I'd be worried as a Seahawk fan.

Seriously, run on 3rd down and by the time you punt you've run 78 seconds off the clock. You're just giving the Bears free time here.

259
by paytonrules (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:27am

How come they haven't pointed out that Urlacher and Leinart have the same STDs?

(that's a Paris Hilton joke)

260
by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

Wow, 3 horrible throws by Grossman. Come on, let's go for a fourth horrible throw!

Grossman looks so confused. So horribly confused.

261
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

You are the coach FG or go for it??

262
by imsmith (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

I don't know which hype storm is worse: the one that will be created by Leinart leading the Cardinals over the Bears, or the one created by the Bears coming back and winning.

263
by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

um thats a td

264
by joepinion (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

what... what just happened?

265
by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

Reason's the 9 team's before Arizona didn't take him:

#1 Houston: Sticking with David Carr

#2 New Orleans: Picked up Drew Brees in free agency.

#3 Tennessee: Norm Chow and Jeff fisher wanted Leinart. The owner disagreed.

#4 NY Jets: They had Chad, picked up Ramsey, and were looking for Kellen Clemens later in the draft. Chose to pick up a franchise left tackle instead.

#5 Green Bay: Had picked Aaron rodgers 23rd overall last year.

#6 San Francisco: Had picked Alex Smith 1st overall last year.

#7 Oakland: In Andrew Walter Al Davis Trusts.

#8 Buffalo: In J.P. Losman/Craig Nall/Kelly Holcomb Marc Levy Trusts.

#9 Detroit: In Jon Kitna/Josh McCown Matt Millen Trusts.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:29am

He was down, wasn't he?

267
by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

I just just about to criticize him for fighting to intercept a pass on 4th down, but then....

Its just their night.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

w. t. f.

good effort on d there, bears offense.

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by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

And as I type that, Grossman throws a tipped pass, intercepted by a lineman, who rumbles oh-so-wierdly, and the Cardinals score.

Wow.

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by Andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

Of all the things to hate Theismann for, I think the thing I hate most about him is how he always cheers for the favored team. Seriously Joe, it's not an entertaining game if the big favorite wins. No one outside of Bears fans wants to see the Bears win this game. This isn't the first time I've heard him doing this either.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

ok, he's down, but still.

272
by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

Too bad. I wanted the fat man to get a TD.

273
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:30am

Good Lord I thought it was obvious he was down.

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by paytonrules (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:31am

You go for it.

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:31am

I don't care if you thought he was down. He was, but there is absolutely NO excuse for not attacking the ball carrier until there are whistles killing your eardrums.

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by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:31am

nm, thank god

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by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:31am

273: sure, so did i, but don't wait for the challenge, tackle the dude first

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by Duff Soviet Union (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:32am

#239, "RE: Sapp/Moss/Leinart: With Sapp and Moss, there were at least off-field things to worry about. Leinart was pretty much clean." I'm not sure if "clean" is the right word for Leinart. Surely I'm not the only person thinking of an off colour Paris Hilton joke. Agreed that him dropping was just dumb. The worst was my beloved Raiders (please, no jokes) passing him up because they had Andrew Walter. I mean, I think Michael Huff will be good, but geez.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:32am

#265- I'd also add that if the Bills were worried about Leinart's arm, then I can understand not being sure about drafting him. The wind and weather can be nasty in Buffalo and they probably want someone with a better arm.

Oakland and Detroit, on the other hand...

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by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:33am

Exactly what warranted a "TO, this is your life" recap?

Oh, and calling his publicist Lil' Kim was just COLD.

Play reversed. Which brings me back to my original question: was catching the ball really worth it? I would have just batted it down.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:34am

265: It's the Lions at 9 and the Raiders at 7 who really look silly passing on Leinart.

282
by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:34am

WHY THE SHOTGUN?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:35am

come on walters, stay in bounds

284
by Diane (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:35am

is it too soon to start using your timeouts?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:36am

What I really don't understand is Tennessee passing up Leinart for Young. I know Young wowed people and all that, but Leinart was just stellar in college.

That all being said, he looks more than mortal now. Which isn't bad given how good the Bears D normally is.

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by Erasmus (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:36am

Al Davis never goes QB in the 1st round (well besides Todd Marinovich-or whatever the drug-addled USC QB name was).

and Millen may have been shot dead by crazy Lions fans if they went offense in the 1st round again. And besides the Lions problem this year is not QB (and with Martz on board, no real need to grab a QB early).

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by Fnor (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:37am

This is something interesting... Grossman being criticized for not dropping back more.

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by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:39am

Rex is throwing off his back foot even when hes not pressured

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by Vince (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:39am

I can't believe the Bears still have a chance to win this thing.

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by TWD (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

289,

You were saying?

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by Kal (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

Turnover #6.

How on earth do you turn the ball over 6 times and lose by 13?

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

Grossman reminds me of Favre right now. And not MVP Favre, 29 INT Favre.

293
by Dave (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

yeah... there's number 75 for grossman

294
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

This is a really flaggy game.

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by Nick (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:40am

and in other news,Rexy is not the second coming.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:41am

Re: 289
The way Grossman is playing (4th INT), they don't, reguardless of the score.

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by Lou (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:41am

TD!!!!!!!!!1

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by Harris (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:42am

Dammit, I was on my way to bed and the bastards make things interesting.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:42am

That's one way to overcome turnovers.

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by NF (not verified) :: Tue, 10/17/2006 - 12:42am

The announcing crew is actively jinxing both teams.