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Week 7 MNF Discussion Thread

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Week 7 Monday Night Football between Dallas and the New York Giants. If we're lucky, Tiki Barber retirement talk will overwhelm T.O. talk.


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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:09am

Did anyone else hear whistles at the start of that play?

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by G (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:09am

OK, maybe this Romo thing was a good idea Bill...

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:11am

Yes, of course you freaking go for two! Can anyone honestly not believe you'd go for two?!

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:11am

Who was it that said Interceptions should be renamed "Gunslings" because "Saying Brett Favre threw 44 GUNSLINGS last season sounded better than sa ying Brett Favre threw 44 Interceptions last season."

Was that DJ Gallo?

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by Diane (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:11am

[301]

I did ... i thought the giants were offsides

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by Agassi\\\\\\\'s Hair (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:11am

added romo to my ff teams real quick before anyone notices

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by joe football (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:12am

So other then that batted ball, which was partly Romo's fault and part standard fluke INT, romo has looked pretty decent

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:13am

You know what I don't like about Dallas: the fact that this game IS a circus. With the goofy mascot and the cheerleaders and the fact that some dude runs through the endzone with a giant cowboys flag immediately after a TD is scored. I dunno, maybe I'm a purist, but I'm glad the steelers don't do any of those things.

Then toss in TO and Parcells' man boobs, Bledsoe's mindboggling decision making, and now Romo, and here we are.

To make an analogy, it's like regular tv broadcasts are old fashioned teams like the Browns and the Steelers who just play the games, and the Cowboys are our current version about Monday Night Football: totally overproduced.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:15am

Boy, having a qb who can run the qb draw in the goal line offense really puts pressure on a defense.

That conversion actually might make this a game again.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:15am

#308:

FYI, the Giants are just as conservative with the "no mascots, no cheerleaders, no fireworks think."

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by joe football (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:16am

NFL Held Hostage: Day 1359.

This is Tony Kornheiser reporting.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:16am

(thing)

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:16am

Isn't that another Horse Collar on Roy Williams that goes uncalled?

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:16am

Roy Williams really must like tackling that way.

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by Randy S. (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:16am

I hate Roy Williams. He keeps on pulling at the collar! Tiki was going out of bounds for God's sake.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:17am

I dunno, maybe I’m a purist, but I’m glad the steelers don’t do any of those things.

I'm fine with the circus, so long as Dallas loses.

It's like the inverse Harlem Globetrotters. "Look at all the fancy things we can do... and still lose!"

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:18am

Joe shutup. Eli walked into him, he didn't walk himself into the pocket.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:18am

Yes, if by "unblockable" you mean "Manning walked right into him."

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:18am

Manning holds the ball for 5 seconds, but is sacked because "Ware is unblockable."

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:18am

It's nice the NFL is calling the "Roy Williams Rule" on Roy Williams....

So if you get a rule named after you does it give you permanent immunity?

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:19am

The Steelers used to have a collection of mascots (well, if you consider two a collection).....Stevie Steeler was a big Steeler fan looking type of....thing for lack of a better word.....that just walked around the stadium kissing babies and waiving to fans.

And then, in 1994, they introduced another mascot....it was a big robot looking guy that looked like he was made out of steel beams...he walked like a robot. He wore a hardhat. He was ugly as sin.

He lasted one season. He and Stevie Steeler have been gone ever since.

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by Bill (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:20am

320 - Hm, so then it matters if it is the Kimo von Olehoffen rule, or the Carson Palmer rule.

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by Will Allen (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:20am

Who knows? Maybe that hideous throw by ol' Drew will end up being the best play of the year for the Cowboys.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:21am

I know Dallas has been "America's Team" for awhile, but why exactly did they ever get called that, and why are they still called that?

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:21am

ROBO-Steeler, father of a whole line of successful Fox graphics.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:21am

Is one of the Giants' starting corners hurt? Why is McQuarters lined up at RCB?

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:22am

Yeah there are a couple of teams that are still purist, like the Giants

It occurs to me that the Browns might actually have a brown mascot, but he doesn't get tons of TV time, so its not really as bad. And they've got that huge fat guy "Big Dawg" in the stands every game with the bizarre bug eyed mask... he's probably the best possible kind of mascot: all one fan.

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by fromanchu (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:22am

is this the bizarro giants?
these ones play until the fourth quarter.

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by G (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:22am

Good god what a b.s. foul call

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:23am

Please no more close ups of snare drum face.

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by joe football (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:23am

I call for the draw here, then go for it on 4th and shortish

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:25am

I see this like the Vikings of the last few years, either you get good play for the first 3 quarters, or the 4th. You don't get both, ever.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:25am

325

Yes, he was a robot-whore and pimp stud for the Fox Nextwork. Some may shun him for such a life of sin, but where else could he go after the Steelers just let him go?

Sticking with random Pittsburgh Mascots, for one season the Pittsburgh Pirates added a 2nd mascot...this was probably in the mid 90's when Jeff King and Orlando Merced were the best players on the team and I could buy a 1 dollar general admission seat and walk into the field boxes with ease (the good ole days)....but anyway, they had this guy that dressed like a Pirate, he sat in this little crows nest hanging off the upper deck and did nothing but waive a a skull and crossbone flag.

Then, he went and gave up that life and decided to take a swim in a public pool with his girlfriend.

Only problem is it was after hours, they broke in, and by "swim" I mean they were making baby robots for the Fox Network.

He got fired and ended up on a season or Road Rules.

Pittsburgh is a great sports town just loaded with interesting trivia and fast facts.

I love it.

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by B (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:25am

Arrigton is Voltron, but Torbor is Robot backwards. Coincidence?

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by joe football (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:25am

The screen pass is the worst play in football

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:25am

Wow. Talk about a blown screen.

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by RIch Conley (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

this kid looks even worse than bledsoe when you put pressure on him

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

Fred Robbins with his second pick of the season!!

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by George (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

Holy crap!

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by johnnyxel (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

Anyone know what video they are referring to?

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by Iggles (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

OK, put in Drew Henson

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:26am

Wow -- that was Drew-esque!

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:27am

334:

Actually, Torbor is "Robrot" backwards.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:27am

Maybe everyone rushing to pick up fantasy QB Tony Romo off the free agent list was a little premature

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:29am

Did Joe just advocate using Vick's offense for Romo? Shotgun or bust?

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by RIch Conley (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:29am

I really think the Cowboys need to have a "check-up" reciever. Rather than checking to the RB when a play breakes down, just whip it down the field. It seems like all the picks are check downs to RBs.

Double clutch....ugh..looks like Romo has seen too much of bledsoe.

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:32am

The New York Rangers had an intersting "mascot" A fan dressed up as an Indian chief (they called him 'chief'), who used to run around the concourse between sections periodically during a game. One game he got mugged. Ahh the good old days at MSG. :-)

348
by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:33am

Jacobs just reversed his form and actually got too low on that run.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:33am

You know what I love? Bull from announcers about some "we play with heart now" or "swagger" rather than "a team with a fantastic run defense (giants) started playing teams who run much better than they throw, and amazingly started winning."

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by Independent George (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:34am

And Jacobs gets some more PAR.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:40am

"When the screen is covered"? 1) No screen. 2) The hot read - the RB - was open. 3) Romo just waited too long to dump it off.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:41am

Nice play right there.

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by George (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:42am

351 I think he was referring back to the interception on that one.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:42am

Not such a nice play

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by Signor Sack (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:42am

Wow.

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by Adam Gretz (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:42am

Ball Game......

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by Randy S. (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:42am

Hahaha, he's just like Bledsoe! This is great.

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by RIch Conley (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:43am

and this is better than Drew?

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by Harris (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:43am

This is the Greatest Cowboy Game Ever.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:43am

Wow, Romo already looks like Bledsoe. Holding the ball too long, throwing INTs for TDs in the red zone, and otherwise impressing.

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by G (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:43am

If only Monica Seles were here to see this...

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:44am

that was a miscommunication, I don't think Romo intentionally threw it behind the reciever that much.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:44am

Okay, B wins. This is just the same jokes week after week.

But it's still funny!

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:44am

Maybe the Cowboys QB coach is just insane and says things like: "Once you drive all the way down the field, pick a defender and drill the ball off his chest. He won't expect that, so he'll fail to intercept the pass. The ball will then ricochet up into the air where Terry Glenn can easily catch it for a TD. This is foolproof guys, trust me on this."

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:46am

364-sort of a Baltimore offense?

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by RIch Conley (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:46am

Anyone have any idea what the Giants D is worth, fantasywise? I was only up 72 points going in, with my opponent having TO, Julius Jones, and the NYG defense.

TO is 16 so far, and JJ is 6.

6 sacks, 4 picks, 2 Tds? whats that? 32? Starting to get closer than I'd like.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:47am

Mike Tirico clearly does not know what a screen pass is.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:47am

Don't forget the safety as well.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:47am

366:

A bit less right now.

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by RecoveringPackerFan (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:48am

Where oh where might the pass go? How about DOWN THE FIELD!

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:49am

For those who read the MMQB thread, this, incidentally, is well inside any reasonable definition of "garbage time." Or, possibly as MDS noted, we might need a better term, like "prevent time."

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:50am

Can we pull the commentators off of Tiki's rod long enough to see the remainder of the game?

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by cjfarls (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:52am

I was up 21 points over the other guy in my FF league, with only Giants D standing between me and victory... They can't score 22 ponts, right? Hehe. I hate Tony Romo.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:52am

Giants D had a lot of backups in on that last drive. Are they having hydration/cramping problems or something? Or have there just been lots of injuries that the announcers missed while they were interviewing the ball boy?

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by johnnyxel (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:53am

372:
Hey, after the Manning Bowl, I am perfectly happy to hear all about Tiki, as long as it ends this season.

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by JasonK (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:55am

Hey, at least Tiki deserves the praise (as opposed you-know-who).

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by cjfarls (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 12:55am

Re: 374
Its alot of working scoring TDs, smashing the QB in the ground repeatedly, and generally ruining any chances I in my FF league. Aaargh.

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 1:06am

The postgame report just said Romo played "efficient". Excuse me? 3 INTs is "efficient"?

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 1:12am

Parcells sounds like he wants to retire in disgust

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by Pat (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 1:18am

The NFC East is a battle between Philly and the Giants. The Cowboys are done, cooked, roasted, put a fork in 'em. They'll go 2-4 in the NFC East.

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by Gerry (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 1:36am

Life is good.

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by Matthew Furtek (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 1:51am

Pat,
Yes basically that is how it looks after 7 weeks... but football is football.

After seeing Romo, I can see why Gibbs doesn't want to play Campbell. Sure 1 Bledsoe goal-line INT is bad, but Romo was much worse. In fact, Parcells is in such a pickle. I figured we would see Romo if their offense was shut out and not moving the ball, but Romo killed them with "rookie" mistakes.

I can't believe Parcells would keep Romo starting, it is effectively saying to the team, "We quit... next year".

So in essence, I'm glad Gibbs is starting Brunell, if nothing more than the Redskins are still mathematically eliminated. Get to the 7th lost and then replace Brunell (like when Ramsey played). I feel like a fool for thinking otherwise... but I think everyone has got Brady-itis when it comes to starting rookie QBs right off the bat.

I wonder if many people will rip Parcells tommorrow, because sticking with Romo was quite curious...

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by GrBurch (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 2:59am

RE: The game/the thread, et al--

Comedy Central doesn't provide comedy this entertaining.

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by BillWallace (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 4:57am

HAHAHAHAHAHA
This takes a lot of the sting out of rooting for the sh**ty skins. I mean we're bad, but not funny bad, and since all hope is already gone there's very little further pain.

But that cowboys are bad hilarious, and they still think they have hope, which will make the future 8-8 frustration and pick six hilarity all the better for me.

Laughter is the second best medicine, right after watching Bledsoe's backup one-up Bledsoe in DB chest accuracy.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 6:49am

I didn't see the game, but this thead was outstanding!

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by Sid (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 9:06am

LaVar Arrington is now out for the year with a ruptured achilles.

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by calig23 (not verified) :: Tue, 10/24/2006 - 11:21am

RE:#382

but I think everyone has got Brady-itis when it comes to starting rookie QBs right off the bat.

Of course, the irony there is that Brady didn't start right off the bat. He sat for a year. And quite a few of the successful young(ish) QBs sat for all or most of their first year: Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Donovan McNabb.

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by gmc (not verified) :: Wed, 10/25/2006 - 10:47pm

The Cowboys need to get it through their fool heads that they are a team based on defense. Teams based on defense play to minimize turnovers.