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This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after Week 7 Monday Night Football between Dallas and the New York Giants. If we're lucky, Tiki Barber retirement talk will overwhelm T.O. talk.
Did anyone else hear whistles at the start of that play?
OK, maybe this Romo thing was a good idea Bill...
Yes, of course you freaking go for two! Can anyone honestly not believe you'd go for two?!
Who was it that said Interceptions should be renamed "Gunslings" because "Saying Brett Favre threw 44 GUNSLINGS last season sounded better than sa ying Brett Favre threw 44 Interceptions last season."
Was that DJ Gallo?
I did ... i thought the giants were offsides
added romo to my ff teams real quick before anyone notices
So other then that batted ball, which was partly Romo's fault and part standard fluke INT, romo has looked pretty decent
You know what I don't like about Dallas: the fact that this game IS a circus. With the goofy mascot and the cheerleaders and the fact that some dude runs through the endzone with a giant cowboys flag immediately after a TD is scored. I dunno, maybe I'm a purist, but I'm glad the steelers don't do any of those things.
Then toss in TO and Parcells' man boobs, Bledsoe's mindboggling decision making, and now Romo, and here we are.
To make an analogy, it's like regular tv broadcasts are old fashioned teams like the Browns and the Steelers who just play the games, and the Cowboys are our current version about Monday Night Football: totally overproduced.
Boy, having a qb who can run the qb draw in the goal line offense really puts pressure on a defense.
That conversion actually might make this a game again.
FYI, the Giants are just as conservative with the "no mascots, no cheerleaders, no fireworks think."
NFL Held Hostage: Day 1359.
This is Tony Kornheiser reporting.
Isn't that another Horse Collar on Roy Williams that goes uncalled?
Roy Williams really must like tackling that way.
I hate Roy Williams. He keeps on pulling at the collar! Tiki was going out of bounds for God's sake.
I dunno, maybe Iâ€™m a purist, but Iâ€™m glad the steelers donâ€™t do any of those things.
I'm fine with the circus, so long as Dallas loses.
It's like the inverse Harlem Globetrotters. "Look at all the fancy things we can do... and still lose!"
Joe shutup. Eli walked into him, he didn't walk himself into the pocket.
Yes, if by "unblockable" you mean "Manning walked right into him."
Manning holds the ball for 5 seconds, but is sacked because "Ware is unblockable."
It's nice the NFL is calling the "Roy Williams Rule" on Roy Williams....
So if you get a rule named after you does it give you permanent immunity?
The Steelers used to have a collection of mascots (well, if you consider two a collection).....Stevie Steeler was a big Steeler fan looking type of....thing for lack of a better word.....that just walked around the stadium kissing babies and waiving to fans.
And then, in 1994, they introduced another mascot....it was a big robot looking guy that looked like he was made out of steel beams...he walked like a robot. He wore a hardhat. He was ugly as sin.
He lasted one season. He and Stevie Steeler have been gone ever since.
320 - Hm, so then it matters if it is the Kimo von Olehoffen rule, or the Carson Palmer rule.
Who knows? Maybe that hideous throw by ol' Drew will end up being the best play of the year for the Cowboys.
I know Dallas has been "America's Team" for awhile, but why exactly did they ever get called that, and why are they still called that?
ROBO-Steeler, father of a whole line of successful Fox graphics.
Is one of the Giants' starting corners hurt? Why is McQuarters lined up at RCB?
Yeah there are a couple of teams that are still purist, like the Giants
It occurs to me that the Browns might actually have a brown mascot, but he doesn't get tons of TV time, so its not really as bad. And they've got that huge fat guy "Big Dawg" in the stands every game with the bizarre bug eyed mask... he's probably the best possible kind of mascot: all one fan.
is this the bizarro giants?
these ones play until the fourth quarter.
Good god what a b.s. foul call
Please no more close ups of snare drum face.
I call for the draw here, then go for it on 4th and shortish
I see this like the Vikings of the last few years, either you get good play for the first 3 quarters, or the 4th. You don't get both, ever.
Yes, he was a robot-whore and pimp stud for the Fox Nextwork. Some may shun him for such a life of sin, but where else could he go after the Steelers just let him go?
Sticking with random Pittsburgh Mascots, for one season the Pittsburgh Pirates added a 2nd mascot...this was probably in the mid 90's when Jeff King and Orlando Merced were the best players on the team and I could buy a 1 dollar general admission seat and walk into the field boxes with ease (the good ole days)....but anyway, they had this guy that dressed like a Pirate, he sat in this little crows nest hanging off the upper deck and did nothing but waive a a skull and crossbone flag.
Then, he went and gave up that life and decided to take a swim in a public pool with his girlfriend.
Only problem is it was after hours, they broke in, and by "swim" I mean they were making baby robots for the Fox Network.
He got fired and ended up on a season or Road Rules.
Pittsburgh is a great sports town just loaded with interesting trivia and fast facts.
I love it.
Arrigton is Voltron, but Torbor is Robot backwards. Coincidence?
The screen pass is the worst play in football
Wow. Talk about a blown screen.
this kid looks even worse than bledsoe when you put pressure on him
Fred Robbins with his second pick of the season!!
Anyone know what video they are referring to?
OK, put in Drew Henson
Wow -- that was Drew-esque!
Actually, Torbor is "Robrot" backwards.
Maybe everyone rushing to pick up fantasy QB Tony Romo off the free agent list was a little premature
Did Joe just advocate using Vick's offense for Romo? Shotgun or bust?
I really think the Cowboys need to have a "check-up" reciever. Rather than checking to the RB when a play breakes down, just whip it down the field. It seems like all the picks are check downs to RBs.
Double clutch....ugh..looks like Romo has seen too much of bledsoe.
The New York Rangers had an intersting "mascot" A fan dressed up as an Indian chief (they called him 'chief'), who used to run around the concourse between sections periodically during a game. One game he got mugged. Ahh the good old days at MSG. :-)
Jacobs just reversed his form and actually got too low on that run.
You know what I love? Bull from announcers about some "we play with heart now" or "swagger" rather than "a team with a fantastic run defense (giants) started playing teams who run much better than they throw, and amazingly started winning."
And Jacobs gets some more PAR.
"When the screen is covered"? 1) No screen. 2) The hot read - the RB - was open. 3) Romo just waited too long to dump it off.
Nice play right there.
351 I think he was referring back to the interception on that one.
Not such a nice play
Hahaha, he's just like Bledsoe! This is great.
and this is better than Drew?
This is the Greatest Cowboy Game Ever.
Wow, Romo already looks like Bledsoe. Holding the ball too long, throwing INTs for TDs in the red zone, and otherwise impressing.
If only Monica Seles were here to see this...
that was a miscommunication, I don't think Romo intentionally threw it behind the reciever that much.
Okay, B wins. This is just the same jokes week after week.
But it's still funny!
Maybe the Cowboys QB coach is just insane and says things like: "Once you drive all the way down the field, pick a defender and drill the ball off his chest. He won't expect that, so he'll fail to intercept the pass. The ball will then ricochet up into the air where Terry Glenn can easily catch it for a TD. This is foolproof guys, trust me on this."
364-sort of a Baltimore offense?
Anyone have any idea what the Giants D is worth, fantasywise? I was only up 72 points going in, with my opponent having TO, Julius Jones, and the NYG defense.
TO is 16 so far, and JJ is 6.
6 sacks, 4 picks, 2 Tds? whats that? 32? Starting to get closer than I'd like.
Mike Tirico clearly does not know what a screen pass is.
Don't forget the safety as well.
A bit less right now.
Where oh where might the pass go? How about DOWN THE FIELD!
For those who read the MMQB thread, this, incidentally, is well inside any reasonable definition of "garbage time." Or, possibly as MDS noted, we might need a better term, like "prevent time."
Can we pull the commentators off of Tiki's rod long enough to see the remainder of the game?
I was up 21 points over the other guy in my FF league, with only Giants D standing between me and victory... They can't score 22 ponts, right? Hehe. I hate Tony Romo.
Giants D had a lot of backups in on that last drive. Are they having hydration/cramping problems or something? Or have there just been lots of injuries that the announcers missed while they were interviewing the ball boy?
Hey, after the Manning Bowl, I am perfectly happy to hear all about Tiki, as long as it ends this season.
Hey, at least Tiki deserves the praise (as opposed you-know-who).
Its alot of working scoring TDs, smashing the QB in the ground repeatedly, and generally ruining any chances I in my FF league. Aaargh.
The postgame report just said Romo played "efficient". Excuse me? 3 INTs is "efficient"?
Parcells sounds like he wants to retire in disgust
The NFC East is a battle between Philly and the Giants. The Cowboys are done, cooked, roasted, put a fork in 'em. They'll go 2-4 in the NFC East.
Life is good.
Yes basically that is how it looks after 7 weeks... but football is football.
After seeing Romo, I can see why Gibbs doesn't want to play Campbell. Sure 1 Bledsoe goal-line INT is bad, but Romo was much worse. In fact, Parcells is in such a pickle. I figured we would see Romo if their offense was shut out and not moving the ball, but Romo killed them with "rookie" mistakes.
I can't believe Parcells would keep Romo starting, it is effectively saying to the team, "We quit... next year".
So in essence, I'm glad Gibbs is starting Brunell, if nothing more than the Redskins are still mathematically eliminated. Get to the 7th lost and then replace Brunell (like when Ramsey played). I feel like a fool for thinking otherwise... but I think everyone has got Brady-itis when it comes to starting rookie QBs right off the bat.
I wonder if many people will rip Parcells tommorrow, because sticking with Romo was quite curious...
RE: The game/the thread, et al--
Comedy Central doesn't provide comedy this entertaining.
This takes a lot of the sting out of rooting for the sh**ty skins. I mean we're bad, but not funny bad, and since all hope is already gone there's very little further pain.
But that cowboys are bad hilarious, and they still think they have hope, which will make the future 8-8 frustration and pick six hilarity all the better for me.
Laughter is the second best medicine, right after watching Bledsoe's backup one-up Bledsoe in DB chest accuracy.
I didn't see the game, but this thead was outstanding!
LaVar Arrington is now out for the year with a ruptured achilles.
but I think everyone has got Brady-itis when it comes to starting rookie QBs right off the bat.
Of course, the irony there is that Brady didn't start right off the bat. He sat for a year. And quite a few of the successful young(ish) QBs sat for all or most of their first year: Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Eli Manning, Chad Pennington, Donovan McNabb.
The Cowboys need to get it through their fool heads that they are a team based on defense. Teams based on defense play to minimize turnovers.
It's a year of huge cornerback contracts, with A.J. Bouye and Stephon Gilmore breaking the bank. But will these big-money contracts, and the big-time gambles associated with them, pay off?
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