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AFC Championship Game Discussion

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the AFC Championship game between New England and Indianapolis. At this point, we have come to accept the fact that people simply cannot discuss this game without losing their sanity. Any thread about the AFC Championship has turned into a steel cage match, filled with unsupported assertions and ad hominem attacks on players, coaches, and other FO readers. We are washing our hands of this. We love and support our readers but are not responsible for hurt feelings or flame wars. We are also not responsible for the abject stupidity that accompanies any talk about Colts-Patriots, and hope that our longtime readers will bear with us until this all blows over.


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301
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:45pm

276: Dear Bill Belichick. Please re-sign Asante Samuel. Thank you, Pats fans.

302
by Starshatterer (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:45pm

I don't think *any* lead is safe against Manning, but this would be a lot to ask, even of the laser, rocket arm.

303
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:45pm

So in Manning's post-game conference is he going to shit on Harrison, because he's one teamate that would get in his face about it.

That's about the only interesting thing left in this game.

304
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:45pm

Bill Simmons was already insufferable. His next column will be... I can't think of any word that is descriptive. Any Help?

305
by Erasmus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:46pm

Marvin Harrison is by far the bigger "choker" then Peyton Manning in the playoffs.

306
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:46pm

oh, and if Manning throws and INT on this drive Archie is reaching for the Viagra.

307
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:46pm

I just have a feeling that the game is effectively over. Maybe it's my disgust at this freaking Patriots team being, well, themselves again -- a little luck, a lot of solid football ...

I'm just sick of seeing it.

308
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

286,

Whoever the asshole is using my name can stop now.

309
by Indy Todd (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

marvin had no chance THAT INT WAS ALL ON MANNING

309
by Dave Brude (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

GG Indy. Thanks for playing. Terrible. I guess I'll go to the gym now.

311
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

Do we have a mercy rule?

312
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

My God, this is an ass-kicking.

313
by Malene, cph (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

this is so brutal it's not even funny

314
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

I just said this to my roommate:

"Asante was second in the NFL in INTs and he is always a great cover guy. Why the hell wasn't he selected to the Pro B..."

"OH, SNAP!"

315
by Noble (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:47pm

What does one say at this point?

316
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

I think they are saying "moooovers".

317
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

so, lets review last few plays:

pick-six.
sack
sack
delay

318
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

After this game, Manning will be advertising No More Tears shampoo.

/end idiotic homer post

319
by Steve (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

that colts are rattled

320
by Bill Simmons (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

FULL FLEDGED MANNING FACE

321
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

When 4th down comes, Manning chucks it 50 yards down field. Does a Pat catch it? No. Does a Colt catch it? No. Will anyone be in the stands to watch? No.

call the fucking INTERFERENCE!

322
by sippican (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:48pm

They're not saying "movers."

323
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:49pm

That was a great effort by Colvin. I was watching him the whole way. Also seemed like "protection problems".

324
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:49pm

Harrison... right in his hands...

325
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:49pm

Nice Troy Williamson impersonation Marvin.

326
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:49pm

For the love of God, there's eight minutes left in the first half....that's the FIRST half. Arsenal v Man Utd spoiler warning. Today, Man Utd 1-0 up with 8 minutes left. Arsenal won 2-1. Sport is strange.

327
by Steve (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:49pm

that ball was tipped though

328
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

Sorry for exploding there, but didn't Marvin and whomever was covering him bounce off each other like billiard balls?

329
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

Man, this is unbelievable. Just when you think you get the rock up the mountain --

But the game isn't over yet.

330
by Chris S (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

re 281, 282:
Manning, you're cut. Harrison, you're cut. Wayne, Addai, Freeney. Cut, cut, cut. All the rest of you make the team. Except Clark, Sanders and Vinatieri. You're all cut.

331
by keith (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

CATCH THE BALL

332
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

Harrison HAS to catch that.

333
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

Its nice that Belichek is considerate enough to make sure that Vinateri won't have any pressure this game.

334
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:50pm

and Belichick is about to debut the pats wishbone with Moroney and Dillon as the backs and Vinnie as the option QB.

335
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:51pm

290,

You simply don't know what you are talking about. Any time a WR makes a cut, he goes to the football. You never, ever, ever stand still and wait for the ball to come to you. Never.

Marvin stood there waiting for the ball. That enabled the DB to come from a position behind him to right in front to the ball.

Look at the replay. Marvin is standing still. If you see him still, you KNOW without knowing anything else about football that he F----- up.

Period.

336
by smush (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:51pm

313- Asante was tied for first with Champ Baily at 10.

337
by Jeff F (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:52pm

I predict that the Pats DO pay Samuel. He has been tremendous this season, and solid (and generally improving) in past years.

338
by KillerB (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:52pm

I'm not so shocked by the failure to catch the ball, but the lack of a second effort - it seemed like Harrison was more interested in making sure he didn't fall awkwardly than making another effort to bring that pass in after it dinged off his hands and facemask.

339
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:52pm

Yes, long game still. All it takes is a big play before the half and the momentum may change.

340
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:52pm

So who is the front runner for the colts job Grimm or Tomlin?

341
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:52pm

no holding?

342
by Steve (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:53pm

we at least we wont have to here about the pats getting lucky.

343
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:53pm

Here's something I never expected to write :
328 Nice Sisyphus reference
329 Nice Simpsons reference

344
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:53pm

Is it me, or does Brady subscribe to the "Techmo Bowl/Madden" style of QBing, where the farther behind the line he is, the farther he throws?

345
by Chris Heinonen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:54pm

If you're going to bring a sign to a game that's going to be on national TV that says "Your Dead Pats", at least use the proper "you're" grammar.

346
by Steve (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

re 344

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH thats great

347
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

Harrison has to do a better job on the INT, and he has to catch that 3rd down pass.

It's just about 1:00am in the UK and the Pats are 18 points up and likely to add to that very soon.

I'm this close to going to bed.

348
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

The Pats OL, outside that one play that Bobman mentioned above, has been playing excellent. Brady has so much time on most plays.

349
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

344: If the holder of the sign was dressed as a skeleton with a Patriots jersey on, it would've made sense.

350
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

If the Pats make this 3rd down it's over

351
by Crate (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:55pm

I certainly don't think this game is over - I would never drop my guard against a team like this.

THAT SAID, the protection for Brady has looked good, the defense has done an outstanding job so far. It's easy to feel very good right now.

352
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:56pm

342:

Thanks, Paul. I got a lot of practice last Saturday watching MY city's rock roll down the mountain.

Trying to exorcise demons when the other team is playing football never works.

353
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:57pm

Why don't the Colts decline that penalty?

You just know they Pats will make them pay...

354
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:57pm

350:

You're right Crate, and don't forget the fire and brimstone speach Dungy will give them at half time to fire them up.

Oh.

355
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 9:58pm

Why are they talking about the guy who didn't get the sack?

356
by Jeremy Billones (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:00pm

Greatest. Commercial. Ever.

357
by Noble (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:00pm

...the Testaverde commercial is money.

357
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:00pm

Once again, Freeney does not get the sack, but has high value.

I like the fact that Indy fans are still into it, but... they look a little silly cheering so robustly. Maybe it'll help the D.

And maybe some instant-acting 'roids will help the O.

359
by Steve (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:00pm

looking ahead

lets just saying its Chicago vs New England i know the bears won by 25 today... but that game was a lot closer than it looked and the saints made a ton of mistakes

I dont care what the line is next week im housing the patriots at least 10,000 dollars im bringing a full on nine man blitz with the corners playing one on one

360
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:01pm

Re: 352

Even if that sack hadn't happened, I think it's cause the penalty backs them out of FG range. (I think that's also why Brady went down so easily; if they couldn't get the first, getting more room to punt doesn't really hurt too much, though I doubt DVOA will agree.)

361
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:01pm

James, London: Go to bed. This game is over. I don't care how many goals Arsenal scored. The Patriots are not going to lose this game.

362
by Crate (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:01pm

I'll shut up about that protection now.

363
by pcs (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:01pm

hey, sweet ad by Vinny T

364
by Indy Todd (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:01pm

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

365
by sippican (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:02pm

I can't believe how fast some people quit on their team.

It's the second quarter.

You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The game's not over.

366
by Crate (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:02pm

The Testaverde ad is no Bruce Campbell but it's goooood.

367
by Balaji (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:02pm

364: I'm not a Colts fan, is it okay if I quit on these guys? Because they look like a wreck right now.

368
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:03pm

Nice job by Reggie getting OB before the 2 minute warning. I THOUGHT. How did the clock run down?

369
by Catholic Samurai (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:03pm

Nice to see Vinny T finally getting a commercial.

370
by Crate (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:03pm

363, way to break the style sheet

371
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:04pm

367: Even the clock is on the Patriots side.

372
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:04pm

Re: 367

The clock restarts outside of, I think, 2 minutes in the 1st half and 4 minutes in the 2nd.

373
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:05pm

"Coach! It's the playoffs... we need you."

I dunno, all these Manning ads look so very ironic today.

Going back to the game, a TD here with the 2 minute drill and we have a game.

374
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:05pm

sippi,
guilty as charged. history I guess. No excuse, you're right. I'd probably say the same to my kids.

Okay, I no longer give up. You are so right. Damn me.

375
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:05pm

358: That's silly. The Patriots will win the Super Bowl by 3. It's what they do!

376
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:06pm

Re: 368

Never let it be said that Bellichik isn't player friendly.

377
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:06pm

Two catches in a row by Aaron Moorehead. Aaron's brother Craven never made the NFL.

378
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:07pm

what's with all this competence?

379
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:07pm

Can we have a goddarned moratorium on "that said". Please?

380
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:07pm

Phil Simms:

"You'd like to get at least a Field Goal out of this"

Thanks Phil. Penetrating analysis.

I'd say a FG is the absolute Minimum requirement here.

381
by Mike J (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:07pm

Colts better come back or I'm not following the superbowl, I can't take 2 weeks of 'Wow Rex' and 'WOW TOM'.

382
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:08pm

Can't help feeling all this is leading up to a Manning INT.

383
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:08pm

Nice play by Rhodes to hang onto the ball. Shit, how come the Colts can do this all of the sudden?

384
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:08pm

Colt's fans may have given up on their team, but they aren't posting here. They've already jumped off the bridge. First and goal. I BELIEVE!

385
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:09pm

342 Not sure whether I've just been dissed on my knowledge of classical mythology.

In other news, I can't believe an earlier post generated so little abuse/comment so :
Re117 Not Saying
This is slightly (i.e.completely) irrational
I’m English so I obviously hate the French…except I don’t. I’m supposed to hate the Germans.. except I don’t. But I genuinely dislike Peyton Manning. He seems like such a phoney plus he appears to pass the blame whenever possible despite taking more money than the rest of his team. We don’t get his adverts over here so that has probably cut my therapy bill.

386
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:09pm

Manning finally figured out that he can throw it to someone that Samuel isn't covering. It's drives like this that tell me that this game is far from over. Even if this one isn't sucessful, it still shows what Manning can do.

387
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:10pm

Can anyone come up with a good argument why the Colts wouldn't go hurry-up for the entire second half?

388
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:10pm

What the hell was Manning looking at, 1st and goal, the entire Pats teams was lined up in the box. Throw the Ball!

389
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:11pm

If Saturday doesn't get his ass driven straight back, that draw had something.

390
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:11pm

Simms and Nantz talk about that stuffed run without once mentioning that Vince Wilfork blew the play up more or less on his own.

391
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:11pm

Our Sanders is better than your Sanders!

392
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:12pm

384:

Not dissing you at all, Paul; just as a Baltimore fan, I spent last Saturday feeling very Sisyphean.

393
by RobM (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:12pm

no way could he of caught that.

394
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:13pm

386
1 That Would be a good decision
2 Tony Dungy is the coach

395
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:13pm

Great no call

396
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:13pm

Um, what? I didn't see any tangling of the feet on the replay, the corner just fell on him.

397
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:13pm

That is bullshit plain and simple.

398
by Compucrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:14pm

I feel like the second down play was Pass interference, when sanders yanked Clarks arm down.

399
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:14pm

Blatant pass interference

400
by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:14pm

Good point by Simms...Wayne definitely tripped on his own right foot there.

401
by Kyle (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:15pm

So what rule change is Bill Polian going to suggest this time around?

402
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:15pm

Final score will be: 42 - 9.

403
by Compucrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:15pm

I can't believe they kicked the field goal, down 21-3 against their nemesis. As TMQ would say; Game Over.

404
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:15pm

He tripped on his own, guys. Come on.

405
by smush (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:15pm

Wayne clipped his own heel.

406
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

391: I still can't believe the Ravens (I was rooting for them) lost with the way Reed and the defense kept giving McNair and the offense so many oppurtunites. My sympathies, though I'm sure you don't want them from a Pats fan.

407
by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

tripped over his own foot.
lucky break

408
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

400,

The next rule change he suggests will be the first.

409
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

The previous one was PI, though.

410
by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

402-
There is an 18 point deficit. If you are trying to score 18 points, a field goal is part of that equation. May as well take it now.

411
by mikeabbot (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

re 400: I'm hoping his head just finally explodes.

412
by Danny (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:16pm

400: Receivers who trip over their own feet get do-overs.

That'll move the chains.

413
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:17pm

I realize that there are some here who don't think this game is over, but a field goal there is useless. You need a touchdown.

414
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:17pm

Onside kick would have been great there. Pats would be risking alot to go for it, while the Colts have much more to gain if they recovered.

415
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:17pm

They are coached to run up the legs of the receiver from behind. Pass interference against every team in the league except the Patriots. It is a terrible call. That is why I loathe the Patriots. They completely cheat, foul, deliberately injure, and always get away with it.

Re: 392

Uncatchable? Please don't post complete bullshit. The replay clearly shows the ball landing in the corner of the endzone about a fott from his arms.

416
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:18pm

Still a game - the Colts clearly can move the ball on the Pats.

417
by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:18pm

Colts fans booing the refs or their own team there?

418
by coldbeer4thesoul (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:18pm
419
by Kyle (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:18pm

Point of emphasis rather than rule change. You got me; I'm wrong! Sigh. Petty semantics aside, the emphasis on illegal contact stemming from the 2004 AFC Championship is a direct result of Bill Polian's whining.

420
by Chris (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:19pm

414 the replay clearly showed he tripped on his own foot.

421
by Compucrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:19pm

Bleh, The colts badly need some momentum, some confidence in Peyton, and maybe a defining play to allow the Colts fans to believe they can actually win. Kicking a field goal shows no guts at all.

422
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:19pm

The DB definitely clipped Wayne's foot there. It wasn't a penalty, but there was contact.

423
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:20pm

414: Yes, that's it for sure. It's not Wayne tripping over his feet, it's just that the Patriots are coached to cheat and deliberately injure. If it makes you feel better, keep thinking that.

424
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:20pm

Re: 414

The replay also clearly shows Wayne tripping over his own foot.

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by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:20pm

It's a pretty clear strategic decision to take a field goal. Three score game becomes two score game. Showing guts does not equate to points on the board.

426
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:20pm

So far, so good... *knock on wood*

427
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:21pm

I think you take the FG. It's now a 2-score game, and the Colts get the ball from the Kick-off. If the can't get into the End zone on this next drive, they'll be in trouble, and seeing far more or Dillon and Maroney than they might like. Score the TD OTOH, and it's an 8-point game again.

428
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:21pm

307: That's my name, too. I've likely had it longer than you.

I am sorry that you felt I was being an "asshole." My post would have made more sense when I typed it, about 15 minutes before it posted, for some reason.

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by mikeabbot (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:21pm

re 414: it's too early for full gloat mode but I will say you make me think of the line from Conan "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the women!"

430
by Rick (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:21pm

re: 414
and we see irrational Patriot hatred rear its ugly head...

431
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:21pm

How can anyone have confidence in a man who wears a sweater vest? And yes, I am aware of the work of Mike Ditka.

432
by Chris Heinonen (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:22pm

Kicking a FG shows me that you haven't panicked yet, and you know there is a lot of game left to go. If you go for it and miss, Pats take all the momentum into half, you're down 3 scores and not 2, and you send the message you doubt you will be able to drive on the Pats later. After all, the Pats are one fumble recovery away from only being up 8 instead of 15.

433
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:23pm

I don't have any squabble with Pats fans -- most of the ones out here seem to take their cue from Aaron.

Hell, I don't even have a gripe with Indy fans, except when they indulge their animosity towards NE with stuff that would make even the most rabid Colts-hater (me) blush. "Deliberately injure?" Come on.

I may disagree with Bobman; in fact, I consider it a moral impossibility to continue to root for a team the way he has. But he doesn't engage in histrionics or rank character assassination.

434
by Frick (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:23pm

As a Colt's fan the game seemed over at the first NE TD, more proof that Brady is the clutch QB. I mean, how do you not claim that Brady is the best QB of all time when you bobble the hand-off and 3 defenders fall on it only to have it squirt out and into the waiting arms of an O-lineman for a TD.

Sanders on Clark in the end zone, of course it is tough to catch the ball when the defender yanks on an arm before the ball gets there.

The Wayne was a good call. The CB's knee hit Wayne's foot, but that was the correct call.

435
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:23pm

Wow...some really lucid comments by Colts fans here, I see. The paranoia is in full effect.

Additionally, as far as timing goes, the clock stops only in the last two minutes of the first, and last five minutes in the second. So no, the clock is not "on the Patriots side".

436
by stamford (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:23pm

Go Bears!!

437
by MJK (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:24pm

Question on the OPI that killed the Pats drive that they started inside the 50:

Troy Brown wasn't even the reciever, and he hit the DB within 5 yards. DB's are allowed to hit WR's within 5 yards--doesn't it work both ways? Was it illegal because it was a pick? If so, shouldn't the ref have called it a pick? I don't understand...

438
by stamford (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:25pm

Re Pats/Colts. Could the Colts be the RedSox down three games vs the Yankees in the Playoffs. This game aint over! It could be a very dramatic comeback ala Sox.

439
by brian c (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:25pm

Boomer seems like more of an idiot everytime he
opens his mouth.

440
by Rob (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:25pm

For all the talk there is about the 'Manning face', the look Belichick had on his face after the initial flag flew on the Reggie Wayne play was PRICELESS. It looked like he was thinking, "Goddamnit Lucifer, WE HAD A DEAL."

441
by Chris (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:25pm

436 - i think it was 7-8 yards, and i think you can hit a guy coming at you, but cant run to a guy and hit him...

442
by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

429-
It's not irrational. The justifications offered may be irrational, but the hatred is empirical. If your team beats my team, over and over, it is reasonable to hate your team. But that's the kind of hatred you should savor.

443
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

It is definitely a penalty. Think about it. If you are a DB beat on that play what do you do? You glance over your shoulder and then run up the back of the receiver and get your legs 'accidently' tangled. If the refs don't call it then you will do it every time. The refs don't call it against the Patriots for whatever reason, they continue to do it.

The question is still why the Patriots get away with these calls that would go against any other team.

The rest of the nation is tired of their joyless, classless, cheating-ass arrogant crap. Apparently the NFL isn't.

444
by Rick (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

So, what has the first half taught us?

a) Belichick, unlike the coaches the Colts have faced thus far, actually tries to beat the defense he's playing against on that play.

b) Peyton Manning is still throwing picks. The untold story of the playoffs is how bad he's been in every game thus far. (Yeah, I know FO has told it, but the networks have hardly mentioned it.)

c) The Pats recover another fumble. (This one I'll grant was luck, but that's not a general rule.)

d) I really think that Pats can move the ball against this Colts' D at will.

Well, it's certainly better to be up 15 points at halftime than not, but this game is far from over. I guarantee that the Colts won't go two more quarters without getting a TD.

445
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

Re: 417

That's a pretty funny video. Nothing outstanding or completely surprising, but definitely better than the "entertainment" CBS provides.

446
by snappy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

MJK, i think it was OPI b/c brown was still in contact with the defender when the ball was in the air.

447
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

434: the clock being on the patriots side was tough in cheek, seeing as I'm the one who said it and I'm a Patriots fan.

448
by are-tee (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:26pm

If only coach Dungy hadn't introduced Peyton to rock'n'roll....

449
by asg (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:27pm

That Testaverde commercial #1.

450
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:27pm

391
Tom, sorry to say this as you seem like a decent person but 99 times out of a 100 or 30 times out of 32 to be exact,(I am such an easy target for statisticians) I want the Ravens to lose. The exceptions being against the Raiders (not a huge surprise) and the Colts. How could you let me down so badly?

451
by David (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:27pm

415 - By "can clearly move the ball on the Pats" do you mean like the Saints were able to "move the ball" earlier during their 2 minute drill at the end of the half, then couldn't do anything with it the whole rest of the game?

452
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:29pm

Re: 434 the clock stops only in the last two minutes of the first, and last five minutes in the second

It actually stops throughout the whole game, but restarts once the ball is spotted outside the times you mentioned. (I had though 4 minutes in the 2nd, but you're probably right.

453
by MJK (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:29pm

Wow, I haven't been on the thread till now, but there are some really vitriolic comments from Colts fans! Deliberately coached to injure? Come on! Have a little class!

I'll grant, that Sanders probably should have had PI called on him in the end zone. However, a Colts lineman (didn't see which one) should have had holding called on him on the first play of scrimmage. The refs are being pretty hands off--hardly calling any penalties.

I guess the refs are only biased and the other team is only despicable when your team is losing...

454
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:29pm

Wow...playoffs finally. You really need to watch the replay before you can comment. He TRIPS ON HIS OWN FEET.

Tons of people here saw it.

The announcers saw it.

The refs saw it.

But I guess you believe what you want to believe, right? No matter about little things like empirical evidence. Nope, not only was it a Patriot player's fault, but it was OBVIOUSLY intentional.

Obviously, you must be a believer in the 'alternate worlds' theory of quantum physics. I can't determine any other reason why your tv would play something different than what the rest of the nation saw.

455
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:29pm

442: Wayne tripped over his own feet, thus making any contact after that academic. And most of the people here are getting sick of your classless, joyless, arrogant crap. I certainly am.

456
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:30pm

450: That they can doesn't mean that they will. In fact, I hope they won't, but I am not going to count on it. The Colts D seems to have reverted to type, and the Colts O may too.

457
by Rick (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:31pm

re: 441
Hatred is irrational pretty much by definition. Having a cause is not the same as having a reason. FWIW, I know quite a bit about irrational hatred of the team that wins all the time, as I've been a Red Sox fan just as long as I've been a Pats fan.

What's annoying me is the claptrap about how the Pats are intentionally committing penalties, or trying to injure players. Trust me, if the Pats were intentionally trying to injure players, Manning would be in a cast by now.

458
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:31pm

Gus,

Sorry, didn't notice. Just came on to comment during halftime, and it's hard to see past all the bias. ;)

459
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:31pm

Deion Branch for a first rounder looks better and better.

460
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:31pm

Deliberately injure? Look at the replay of the injury to Freeney. Light dived in with his helmet at Freeney's planted knee. Its not even close. He look sover, makes a decision and then dives with the top of the helmet exactly at Freeney's planted knee. Any sane person looking at that play knows it was a deliberate attempt to injure.

461
by Glenn (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:32pm

Troll alert on "playoffs finally", folks.

462
by 52decleetzu (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:32pm

ohhh I felt that here.

463
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:32pm

457: No biggy.

GO PATS!

464
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:33pm

Solomon Wilcots trusty 3rd or 4th string commentator, does lots of Jaguar games, frowns alot.

465
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:35pm

Re: 456 (and others)

I've just been reading Descartes' Error, which makes the argument (based on brain damage cases, among other things) that emotions are essental to the reasoning process. So calling hatred (or any emotion) irrational isn't technically true.

466
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:37pm

That ref is a half yard short spotting Marvin every time.

467
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:38pm

Re: 459

That's the same argument people have been using against Denver for years. I don't think it's completely accurate. Diving low is a good tactic to slow people down.

468
by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:38pm

Nominate "playoffsfinally" for FOMBC of the year.
can I get a second?

469
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:38pm

What happened to big play Willie Clay? Was he there for any of the championships, he was awesome on the old madden games.

470
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:39pm

r: 454

Have you ever played DB? Obviously not. I am looking at the replay again over and over. What I see is clearly a beat DB doing the only thing left to him to prevent a touchdown which is to run up the back and trip up the receiver. Follow this if you can. Deliberately initiating contact with the receiver in an attempt to prevent the catch is pass interference. It is in fact called against every other team out there. As a Patriots fan you obviously have no clue to what pass intereference is since your team commits it just about every play in the playoffs yet never gets called for it.

471
by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:41pm

have there been any shots of Polian?
I think I know his psuedonym.
Great drive by the Colts.

472
by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:41pm

456, 464,
Astute philosophical observations aside, it seems that the success of a team is directly proportional to the amount of bile the fans of less successful teams direct toward it. For example, as a Steelers fan, I have witnessed a lot of negativity towards my team, especially around 50 weeks ago, but I have likewise expressed my share of animosity to the Patriots. In fact, I hope they lose tonight!

473
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:41pm

TD Colts. Game on.

Anothe first down reception for Moorehead on that drive. Manning seems to like getting Moorehead involved.

474
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:42pm

Good move going for 1.

475
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:42pm

Nice drive... but it will be meaningless if they can't stop Brady.... and the only time that happened was when the Patriots stopped themselves...

476
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:42pm

469:

I agree that it is probably deliberate, but I disagree that the Pats get away with this when no one else does. In fact, in the Bears/Saints game it happened a couple of times...

477
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

Re: 469 It is in fact called against every other team out there. As a Patriots fan you obviously have no clue to what pass intereference is since your team commits it just about every play in the playoffs yet never gets called for it.

Okay, that I feel comfortable calling irrational. That seems to be ignoring evidence in front of your eyes just to back up a point you want to be true.

Also, I knew the Colts were still in it. On the bright side, at least this gives me hope that this thread will hit the over.

478
by playoffsfinally (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

Re :466
Diving low is an acceptable block. Aiming the tip of your helmet at a player's planted knee is a deliberate attempt to injure. Really, look at the replay. It speaks for itself.

479
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

472- Who is covering him? If it's Scott, that might be why. I haven't been paying attention to who is on him.

Peyton finds the endzone. We have a pulse, doctor.

480
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

418,

NO, it is a direct result of a tape shown to the refs where the Pats consistently violated the rules on holding and illegal contact so often and so blatantly (without being called) that the league was embarassed into enforcing the rules.

That isn't whining. It's a righteous demand that the rules be enforced or get rid of the rules.

481
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

Here's hoping Tom drives us for another clock-killing TD...

482
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:43pm

NE red zone defense DVOA:

Pass -93.6%
Rush 5.5%

Nice job by Peyton running 3 straight times to get in the endzone.

483
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:44pm

Maybe its a sign of good, tight coverage when feet get tangled. Stop crying. ITS FOOTBALL, not a frickin' tea party.

484
by Alex (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:44pm

#467: "Nominate “playoffsfinally� for FOMBC of the year.
can I get a second?"

I don't know, the Colts were already losing when the comments started, so it doesn't seem like it should count as FOMBC.

485
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:44pm

475.

Please stop using my name.

486
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:45pm

They keep going on about how long the patriots offense was inactive... Um, they were inactive for a whole weak before the game started.

487
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:46pm

Re: 471

It's comments like that (and 212, actually, even though it comes from the enemy) that make me keep coming back to these threads.

488
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:46pm

If two of you have the same name, the second guy must be something else... thought it need not differ much. There are two people posting here named andrew, but one (not me) uses Andrew, with upper case, while I don't, so at least people can hopefully tell...

489
by stan2 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:47pm

484: never met another Stan, huh? Sorry my dad named me after him (and his father).

I'll add a "2" to my name from now on.

490
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:47pm

We still have a game, but the Colts could really use a stop.

491
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:47pm

469: Nothing--I repeat, NOTHING--you just said has anything to do with the fact that I've never played cornerback. But yeah, you sure nailed me on that point. Good job.

Seriously, have you noticed that every other person here is saying that Wayne tripped over his feet? I don't give a flying fuck what you think the Patriots get away with, or if you think I can't follow your incredibly complex summary of PI. You're just pissed that the Patriots are winning right now, and you're talking out of your ass.

492
by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:48pm

476: What is the over for this thread?

493
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:48pm

stan, stop using my name. It isn't funny anymore. STAN! Get your hand off my keyboard!

494
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:48pm

That was huge by Faulk...

495
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:50pm

Mission accomplished. Now if the Colts can score here...

496
by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:50pm

But this is MY name!

497
by Doug (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:50pm

#488

Using your genealogy is not necessary when discussing which of you needs to change your "stan" name. What if his dad, grandfather and great-grandfather were all stans as well? Would his four generations trump your three? come on.

Is one of you Stanton and the other Stanley? Let's get to know each other a little bit.

498
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:50pm

Re: 491

See Posts 54 and 55. It started at 1,000, but adjusted upward to 1,112 to make a new record.

499
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:51pm

Time for a pick. Vrabel is due for a huge play.

500
by Craig (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:51pm

Gus, I am not saying that Wayne tripped over his own feet. I think it is clear that the DB made contact with his foot causing him to trip. However, it shouldn't have been a penalty.

501
by cory (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:52pm

Given past playoff performances, I think Manning is actually playing well so far. One mistake with the Samuel pick, but the biggest thing has been the blanket coverage by the Pats. The Colts recievers usually get better separation than they have been getting today.

502
by Andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:53pm

498, I kept waiting for that pick that Grossman was "due" for. Also, what are your thoughts on the idea that the Colts are "due" for a super bowl appearance?

503
by stan2 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:53pm

496: My full name is Stanley, and I only explained this because the other one called me an "asshole" for using his name. As if he is the first...sorry I missed the fact that another stan was posting. I changed my "name" in that last post...

504
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:53pm

Re: 477

If I had the replay, I would examine it more closely, but I don't. From what I remember though, Freeney wasn't planted, he was trying to run upfield. I also don't see how you can dive without aiming your helmet low, at which point it's hard to see where the players knee is.

Also, Freeney hurt his ankle, not his knee.

505
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:53pm

499: Sorry about that, my real point was that it wasn't a penalty anyway: I think he tripped, but we can agree it wasn't worth a PI call.

506
by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:53pm

I will take the over, especially if he irrational reasoning continues . . .

507
by cory (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:54pm

Absolutely awful drop by Marvin.

508
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:54pm

Marvin Harrison is having a hard time catching the ball with both hands around his neck.

509
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:54pm

Marvin Williamson.

510
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:55pm

Alright, the Pats need a stop. Now. Covering Moorehead (heh) would help.

511
by Balaji (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:55pm

506, 507: Okay, I'm glad I'm not the only who just realized how much of a non-factor Harrison's been today.

512
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:56pm

501- If I want to make an unwarranted, pointless statement, I think I am in the right place. And the only place the Colts belong in in hell.

513
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:56pm

Both Hawkins and Colvin have been out for multiple plays, and you tell us this afterwards? Thanks for the help, guys.

514
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:56pm

The Colts must have visited Merriman's doctor during halftime.

515
by Jim (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:56pm

Harrison's had a lot of problems this year - drops, wrong routes - I wonder if something's going on with him, because it sure seems like the concentration isn't there.

516
by stan2 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

510 et al: A long time ago (around 300 or so)in this post , someone else mentioned it too. I am starting to agree that it is MH that chokes, not necessarily PM.

517
by oljb (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Ooo... I think I saw this happen last year in the divisional round against the Broncos. Didn't go so well for Pats then.

518
by Balaji (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Love the complaining by Hobbs after the call. Hey Ellis, when the receiver is wearing you like a blanket, it *might* be considered PI.

519
by BrockVegas (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Face guarding? Not a penalty, Phil.

520
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Is it still called the Manning face when Brady makes it?

521
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Now that's PI.

522
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Stan2 should be totally acceptable. There was only one other "Peter" who seems to have disappeared, but I still use my last name just to differentiate. It happens.

Oooooooh, costly PI there. Looks pretty much legit.

523
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Definitely don't go for 2.

524
by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Is it PI even if he didn't touch him? Cuz Hobbs didn't touch him, though clearly faceguarded him.

525
by cory (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Anyone have a good explanation as to why Rhodes has been the much better RB the past two weeks? Is it playing the 3-4 that is allowing the bigger Rhodes to be a better inside runner, or is it the extended season for the rookie Addai?

526
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

Now THAT was actually PI.

Screw you, Dan Klecko.

527
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:57pm

And it's a ballgame!

528
by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

Re: 511. It's obvious that Tom Brady is the one that has sold his soul to the devil. Think about it: 3 championships, male-model looks, string of beautiful girlfriends.

529
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

I hate when players fake a false start just to get a neutral zone infraction. No way the Colts were actually drawn off by Seymour, since they waited until he was basically back onsides to jump.

Yes, this is petty bitching, but it's all I got now.

530
by mike (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

I'm surprised no one has pointed this out with the "uncalled" penalties thread, but marvin harrison took off his helmet while still on the field after the dropped pass. I am pretty sure that's still a penalty.

531
by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

I cant believe they let Klecko get that.

532
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

Mike Vrabel who?

533
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

noooooooo

534
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:58pm

Ok, can somebody explain the rule on pass interference for me? I'm not being snide - I really don't understand how that could possibly be interference.

535
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

New Ballgame!

Wow!

536
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

518 - I'm pretty sure faceguarding is not allowed by the rulebook.

ooo big mistake.... they better make this.

wow. ok. that was good. but still say they shouldn't have.

537
by stan2 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

nice! beat the pats with their own (ex-)players...

538
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

yessssssssss...still dumb to go for 2 though.

539
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

510: The Colts receivers have a tendency to disappear in big games. They rely on separation and great hands for trickily placed passes to make completions and, honestly, often do an awful job of fighting for the ball.

540
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 10:59pm

Wow. I'm glad I stayed up! Not sure going for 2 was the "right" call, but it worked out ever so well.

541
by rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:00pm

Football fans everywhere rejoice as the game is on! Peyton steals one from the Hooded One's playbook.

542
by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:00pm

for a game that's over, this one seems to be pretty exciting.

543
by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:00pm

The Colts scored 6 points in 30 game minuts of me watching, and 15 points in 11 game minutes of me not watching. I'm afraid to turn the game back on.

544
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:00pm

524,

That's a good theory.

545
by Rhino (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:00pm

533:

Defender must be facing the play. Otherwise they can just face the receiver all play and jump and wave their arms every time.

546
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

536: Mangini tried that too, but he tried doing it with Hank Poteat, with rather predictable results.

547
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

Dan Klecko and Logan Mankins both had TDs in this game.

It's a good week for the big guys.

548
by Stereochemistry (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

And quietly, several people nonchalantly erase "game over" out of their notebooks.

549
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

I just starting watching ten minutes ago (unavoidable obligation). I heard it was 21-6 Pats. WTF happened?

550
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

514: err, I dunno, he's had one of his best seasons by any metric (and was #1 in DVOA). He's been pretty excellent, even if this game it hasn't been great. He did just catch the 2pt conversion though.

On that note, I wouldn't have gone for two there, but given momentum, it's a fair decision. And now we're tied... thought this would just be a blowout when it was 21-3.

551
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

I'll be the first one to eat a big, tasty plate of crow if I was wrong about 200 posts earlier. :)

552
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:01pm

I guess they got rid of the imposter Marvin and got the real one back in for that play.

553
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

Hobbs!!!!

554
by Independent George (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

Ok, I admit that I'm dumb - but what the heck is faceguarding? Are you really not allowed to obstruct a WRs vision - even if there's no contact?

555
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

What a great way to hand it back.

556
by Duff Soviet Union (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

Yes!!!!! GO COLTS!!!!! I am not a Colts fan but, man, I would love to see the Pats lose today. Manning has just been on fire since late in the second.

557
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

There's the same old Colts special teams.

Pick 6 here.

558
by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

See, MDS, I told you to make a bigger deal of the Colts coverage/Pats return mismatch in the preview...

559
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

Ellis Hobbs reminds the Colts that their success is nasty, brutish, and short.

560
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

Wait, where was the block in the back?

561
by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:02pm

I think I am going to enjoy watching this for real when I finally get hold of a copy. Damn the lack of Sky TV in my building (and my cheapness).

562
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

Oddly, if he had run it back all the way, it would actually have been bad for the Patriots defense. This will at least give them a brief breather.

563
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

Ah bad STs come back to bite the Colts...that return reminded me of the Vikes-Pats MNF game.

564
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

no flag . . . no flag . . . no flag.

Nice.

565
by Eddie (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

Phil Simms really thought the Colts should have kicked the extra point?

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

Boy, talk about reversion to the mean. The Colts O looking good against a top D, the D looking bad, and the special teams... rancid as always.

If I was the Pats I'd be worried about scoring too fast here. Their defense looked like a bunch of 78 year old men last time; one more 6 minute Peyton drive and they could be truly gassed.

567
by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

It's the Return of Jabar!

568
by Rhino (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:03pm

553:

Yes.

569
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:04pm

553 - you are not allowed to screen his face if you are not playing the ball. Its one of those things from the competition committee. It is too effective otherwise.

570
by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

Aaaah, Pats wrs.

570
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

With 2 and a half minutes left in the 3rd quarter, Tom Brady reaches 100 yards passing.

This very short field isn't going to give the pats' d a lot of time to rest.

Oops, Reche Caldwell drops a pass. I suspect Deion Branch would not have.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH RECHE DAMN YOU!

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by doktarr (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

Caldwell channeling Marvin Harrison.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

Caldwell!! that's a worse drop... that's jackie smith bad...

575
by Ivarsson, Sweden (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:05pm

550: Well, technically you'll have to eat it no matter how this game ends. A 21-21 game is certainly not over.. ;)

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

#558,

Nice Leviathan reference. This is the Football Outsiders all-Philosophers Thread.

And that is a staggering drop by Caldwell. Review coming on the Gaffney TD.

577
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

wow. Gaffney saves Caldwell.

578
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

OK, come back from a lunch break; and let's see what's happened:

Paul, if I only knew what happened last week, I'd be a much happier man right now.

May I suggest Bizarro-stan to one of you, or would you both fight over that as well?

Oh, and look, the boulder's going back up the mountain. Should be intersting to see what happens next.

579
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

AHHHH bad memories of Nate Poole...

580
by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

Thank god. Way to have your Florida teammate's back.

581
by Duff Soviet Union (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:06pm

#542. Please leave it off and understand the spirit in which this comment is meant.

582
by lk6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:07pm

LOL at those refrees talking and making signs to each other on the TD catch.

583
by stan2 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:07pm

not even a colts fan, but I hate the "forced out" rule!

584
by Indy Todd (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08pm

i think it stands

585
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08pm

The ball looks like it moved a little. not enough to overturn though.

and the heel... they don't have a good enough angle to overturn.

It stands up.

and Indy will want that timeout back.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08pm

Re: 580. I have left it off, but the Colts better do their part.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08pm

The Gaffney TD should stand. Great catch.

588
by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:08pm

That catch remind anyone of Dwight Clarke's catch?

589
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:09pm

Force out is such a stupid rule.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:09pm

I can see why Dungy challenged it - the ball moved somewhat on the way down. But I don't think it'll be overruled.

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by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:09pm

Should stand, but who knows.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:09pm

584

"The ball looks like it moved a little. not enough to overturn though."

The Saints would beg to differ

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by Indy Todd (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:09pm

THE REFS ARE SHIT

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by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:10pm

That was a VERY hard challenge, but I think TD was the right call. What a rough thing to decide as a ref though.

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by Jay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:10pm

Also, that challenge gives the Pats D a bit more time to rest.

596
by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:10pm

db shouldn't hit him there, make the receiver make the play with his feet.

597
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:10pm

At least the challenge gave the Pats D some more rest after the short drive.

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by Gus (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:10pm

That settles it, I'm buying a Jabar Gaffney replica. 28-21 Pats!

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:11pm

They keep showing the replay after he goes up.... that's one I'd like to look at more.

But its still a game, and Indy can't get distracted over that...

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by Indy Todd (not verified) :: Sun, 01/21/2007 - 11:11pm

I hate the colts fans who gave up on the team when they were down 21-3 I STUCK WITH THEM

MY BOYS WILL WIN THIS