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Playoff Game Discussion: BAL-IND

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the second-round playoff game between Baltimore and Indianapolis. Each game this year will get its own discussion thread, so please discuss the other games in those specific threads.


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by Bobman (not verified) :: Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:41am

I also posted this on the "Indy Run D" thread:

I have only to say: “Do they make bulletin boards big enough in Indy for this stuff?� (link at my name)

Wow, if I was an OL and the Ravens were predicting a painful day for my RB and “hot sauce� on my QB, if I needed any extra motivation, that would provide it.

Last year Joey Porter was almost comical–-he stated the obvious as if it was distasteful. “They trick people (how dare they?).� I found Porter laughable (and wish his performance in the game was as funny). But this is actually, well, threats. I guess Indy will keep hearing this until they prove otherwise.

On the flip side, the inevitable Ogden/Freeney article in Wednesday’s Indy Star is all praise from both sides. Much classier.

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by smashmouth football (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 12:32am

I cringe when the Ravens talk all that B.S. Just STF and do it on the field. Why motivate your opponent? It's just stupid.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 4:33am

SMFB, I cringe when I hear anybody say it. I am glad Indy doesn't and as a Colt fan, I'm glad the Pats tend to play the "oh boy, these guys are gonna be a huge challenge" card, which like Indy, they do for everybody.

It was pretty clear that Joey Porter was on his own with the media last year--I think Cowher said things like, "He said that? Well, I guess that's how Joey sees it. Not how I see it." or some such. Not sure who it helps, if it has any effect at all. Sure makes the press's job easy, though.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 3:18am

Yeah, trash talking just makes you look childish, and in the case of Joey Porter last year I was terrified because I thought the Colts were going to lay another whoopin on us like they had before. I don't see this game being a blow-out either way, but the Ravens had better watch out

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by Francisco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 3:41am

I'm a bartender in downtown Baltimore. We get a lot of players in, but more tonight than usual. As an Indiana native and huge Colts fan, I was almost giddy as I continued to serve Chris MacAllister shots of chilled Patron tequila. Hopefully that and his retinue of women will keep him busy late into the night!

For the record, no one else was drinking. The Ravens generally behave.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:01am

Francisco, you - are - F-ing - kidding - me!!!

Years and years ago, this was pretty standard stuff for all pro athletes (Babe Ruth, anyone?), but these days with the advantage pretty slim and all the focus on nutrition and steroids, er, I mean keeping healthy, THAT sounds like a huge blunder. Nothing like a hangover to keep you sharp.

Hey, maybe McNabb wasn't exhausted after all.

At least Chris Mac has good taste--I hope he tips well (and his retinue wears him out... over and over and over again.) Wow, in my 42 years, I don't ever recall caring so much about another guy's sex life and am quite sure I never wished him such repeated success. The more he scores Friday night, the less on Sat, right? Who needs Lawrence Taylor to send drinks and women to a player's hotel room when he does it himself.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:44am

Okay, just looking at Jamal Lewis's numbers this season. He's looking pretty darn ordinary (please no Ron Dayne comments). In the last 9 games, his longest run (with one exception) was 17 yards and he had only one game over 100. That one exception was a 52 yarder against Cleveland, in his only 100+ game in the second half. Take away that 52 yarder and he had 57 yards on 21 carries, or 2.7 YPC in that game. OUCH.

So some people look at that game and say "see, he's still a 100-yard back" but FO looks at his best traditional stat game of the second half and sees a low success rate. Of course it does indicate he still has enough speed to rip off a long run. Then again, speed is not the Colts' problem--it's gaps, positioning, and wrapping.

If Balt's D did not get their O the ball so many times with good 3rd down performance and TOs (they had 32 more offensive drives than Indy this year, two per game, so even if they were crappy 3-and-outs, that should amount to 5 extra minutes of TOP per game), their O would not look as healthy as it does. The run game looks really quite mediocre. This is when I heave a great sigh and point out that there is nothing like the Colts D to make it get healthy quick.

But even if he averages 5 YPC, a 40% boost over his season avg, and gets 25 carries (he averaged just under 20 carries this season), it looks as if McNair needs to produce more than his season average 1 TD per game. Looks like the D may have to get a few TOs and maybe a TO/TD from the Colts offense that is the second-stingiest in terms of giving up TOs in the AFC. Balt averages over 2 takeaways per game but Indy averages just 1 giveaway.

Man, this looks like a good game.

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by Ben (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:05pm

Yeah, I really think it comes down to turnovers. If the Colts can win the turnover battle, they have a solid chance of winning. If the Baltimore D comes up with a couple of turnovers (or scores off of one) I think the Colts are in big trouble.

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:05pm

Hypo: given the emotional turmoil this game will likely visit on fans of those teams, those of us with no dog in this fight are (ironically) best positioned to enjoy it. An absolute A+ match up.

Also, Ravens fans, as good as this year's team is, would you agree that Billick wasted two of Ray Lewis's and Ogden's best seasons on the Kyle Boller Project? With even slightly above average QB play, aren't they a dangerous playoff team every year?

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:38pm

The return of the former Baltimore Colts to Baltimore to face the Ravens has rightly received a lot of media coverage this week, with obligatory references to Diner and photos of the Mayflower moving vans transporting the Colts' property as they fled Baltimore in March 1984. Based on the media accounts I have seen, I can't recall a playoff game or series in any sport where there was more flat-out hatred of the visiting team than there will be today.

One thing that I haven't seen mentioned, however, is how Cleveland Browns fans feel about this game. After all, the Ravens formerly were the Browns, so the Colts aren't the only transplanted team in this game. Do Browns fans care about the game? Is their hatred of the Ravens lessened because they got a new team and kept the team name and colors? Did their hatred peak when the Ravens won a Super Bowl that could have been theirs if the Browns (version 1.0) had never left?

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:21pm

Marko,
All good questions, to which I have no answers, but I will throw in: How did St Louis Cards fans feel about the move to the desert? The arrival of the Rams? Did anything change when the Rams won the SB? (And frankly, with the Cards' current state of affairs, who could be angry that they left?!? Maybe a group of die-hard former Cards fans sends the Bidwell family a big fruit basket every year with a note: "Thanks for saving us from cheering for mediocrity! Go Rams!")

I really have no idea. Do they even care? Plenty of antipathy in Balto to go around, tho, much of it hypocritical. Ah well, time to tune in....

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by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:26pm

So ... Manning thrown an INT yet?

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:27pm

I saw something interesting on NFL Matchup this morning. Jaws pointed out that when defense have had success shutting down the Colts offense, by the end of the game, Manning has figured out how to adjust by the 4th Quarter. So for Baltimore to win, their offense needs to take over the game by the second half, and score enough points where the Colts can't come back.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:28pm

Marko, the Ravens cannot possibly lose this game by enough to satisfy me. This game couldn't be any simpler from a Cleveland fan perspective. It isn't a tough one like last year's Pittsburgh/Denver showdown, which might as well have been Notre Dame/Michigan. No, Baltimore must lose. They must lose this game, and their next one, and every other game from here to eternity (unless a win wouldn't help them much but would really hurt Pitt or Denver, then maybe it's OK for them to win, but I'd feel dirty).

As for the Super Bowl, well, there have been exactly two Super Bowls since I was four that I haven't watched every play. The first was XXX, Pittsburgh against Dallas. No possible team to root for, the Browns didn't exist, screw it. But at least I caught a few plays, I've watched highlights, and I was able to relish O'Donnell's meltdown. Hilarious, even if it resulted in the freaking Cowboys winning. The second, of course, was the Ravens/Giants game. I volunteered to work that night rather than watching it. I avoided Sportscenter and similar shows for over a week afterwards just so I wouldn't accidentally see any highlights. I will never, ever, ever watch the NFL Films package on that one. Just a disgusting game. When the best-case scenario is the (extraordinarily unlikely) chance of a Giants win, followed by months of NY media orgasmic reaction, it's not even worth being near a TV.

However, I think we all know that the team never would have won a Super Bowl if they stayed in Cleveland. They could have a team made of the best players at every position, coached by a combination of the greatest coaches ever, and they would still find a way to screw it up. Their only chance would be to meet the Lions or Cardinals, or maybe the Seahawks, and hope the other team out-chokes them.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:29pm

Also, as a Patriots fan, I'm predisposed to disliking the Colts, and I was all set to root for the Ravens here, but that means I'll have to root for Brian Billick and Ray Lewis, and I just can't do that. Manning might make a lot of commercials, but at least he's never been suspected of killing anyone.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:32pm

aw Jeez, Dierdorf and Gumbel....?

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:33pm

Just curious, I never understood why Pats fans hate the Colts? Its hard to hate your personal whipping boy in my opinion.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:36pm

17: It It's hard to explain, and to be honest, I really don't hate the Colts very much, but Patriots fans hate the Colts because we feel that the Colts, and Manning in g particular have been given all sorts of praise and hype despite never winning in the playoffs, where as the Patriots don't get the respect they deserve. Obviously this is no longer accurate, but before the 2004 AFC championship game, that was the case. Plu
However, now that they have Vinitieri, I feel it's okay to like the Colts.

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by jimkimber (UK) (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:38pm

Man I am looking forward to this game. It's good being a Packers fan - I can just enjoy good playoff football without worrying too much about who wins. By the way a BIG THANKS to the person several weeks back who posted a link to the TVU player. What a difference to be able to watch these playoff games. Awesome.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:38pm

Last time I saw Deidorf and Gumble, Deirdorf explained how the Patriots were able to use short passes to suplement thier running game. So Deirdorf has finally learned what the West Coast Offense is.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:39pm

Ray Lewis just embodies everything that is wrong in sports today.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:39pm

Trogdor, I had no idea the depth of those feelings. I admire your purity of spirit and hope it's rewarded someday. Nothing waned after Modell sold? I guess that means Baltimoreans will never forgive Jim Irsay for his father's actions? Wow.

B, Still not sure why NE fans hate Indy. Scorn? Sure. Even ridicule ("hah! We own you, baby!") Petty, but understandable. But hating a team you have recently owned? Seems silly. Like a a horse hating flies for buzzing in his years--a minor annoyance at best. (so far--next week might change that, I hope.)

Now you want to talk despicable, there's Dallas, "America's Team" vomit.

Hey, the Colts' D showed up, so far.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:40pm

OK, Penguins beat the Flyers, now I can watch some football. Man, I love hockey in HD. And actually on a channel I get!

What's this? 3 and out for the Ravens?

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:40pm

Addai, nice first run against the invincibles.

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by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:41pm

Well, the colts stopped Baltimore on their first possession. It seems to me, and I'd like to see some data on this, that when the colts stop the oppenent's first possession, it signifies a good game for them. Anyone have stats on the colts W-L record based on whether or not their opponents score on their first possession?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:43pm

Samari Rolle abused counter: 1.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:43pm

Make that 2.

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by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:43pm

Did anyone else just see the Ravens rush *1* on 3rd and 8 and still not manage to cover Wayne?

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:43pm

Ah yes, looks like I may have been right: Samair Rolle = Darrent Williams.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:44pm

I think Peyton knows that Samari Rolle has struggled this year. Run the counter to 2.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:44pm

Re: #14

That is about as pure an expression as fandom as I've ever heard. Just beautiful.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:44pm

And we would all love it if Dierdorf would put down the headset and go sit in the stands.

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by mikeabbot (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:45pm

re:17
I'm a Pats fan and I'm cheering for the Colts. Mostly the Ravens seem like assholes but Dungy and Peyton have always seemed worthy of respect. Manning has played as well as I've ever seen anyone play in the colts games I've seen this year (especially dealing with the rush this year) and seems like a decent person off the field . I enjoy the whole manning is a choker game because even through it's bullshit it winds up guys like stan and that is fun. Mostly I would much rather see Dungy succeed then Billick.

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by Ogden\'s Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:45pm

The Colts have done their scouting. Anytime they need yards, they just run an out to Reggie Wayne, Samari Rolle is at least 5 yards off of him, it's about as close to free yards as you can get in the NFL. But, a Ravens goalline stand, and it's Vinatieri time.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:45pm

I don't understand why the Colts bother trying to run the ball inside the 10, it never works for them.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:45pm

The Colts playcalling is awful. They have zero chance of running it up the gut successfully on the Ravens. Yet... run, run, run. FG.

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by Queeqoug (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:46pm

ok so both the runs from 3 yards out got stuffed but I still thought it was good play-calling

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:46pm

I like a lot of things about football. One of my favorites is the half-boo that follows any obviously correct call agains the home team. Like that neutral zone infraction - you have just enough fans who either don't know the rules or refuse to accept any call against them as legit.

Great defense on the quick snap run. They didn't even have anybody set, and still got good penetration and held the line. I'm not sure which team that says more about.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:47pm

36 The running up he gut worked well when they got a first down their first three plays...

Also BAL wasn't even set on that third run. Suggs just made a great play.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:47pm

Please mr. Billick, call a play action on first down!

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:48pm

Gotta love that Colts running game when the defense decides to focus on stopping run. Three runs for a total of 2 yards (even with a five yard penalty on the defense = FG)

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:49pm

So Indy gets 3 out of their no-huddle drive. That has to be at least the sixth time this year I've seen a team start in no-huddle against the Ravens and have one successful drive with it. Let's see if they pull in the horns, or try to keep this on a fast track. Three points will not be enough -- Indy doesn't want to make this a field goal kicking contest.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:51pm

OK, on the quick snap, if they're going to run it, why not make it a trick play? Why not have Manning go out right like he's yelling something to Harrison, and snap it to Addai? It can't work any worse, can it?

The only problem with consistently going to the quick out with Wayne is that the Ravens are probably going to be expecting it. If they can drop a linebacker or DE in the way it could be an easy INT (on one out they had a guy somewhat in position, but Manning threw it over his leap). They'd definitely be better off having a corner who could actually cover Wayne, but it's not necessarily going to be there every play.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:51pm

fumbled in mid air. pussy.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:51pm

Please be a fumble
I hate the ravens

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:52pm

I was neutral on this one until I heard how much crap the ravens talked. I can't root enough for them to lose now.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

it looked like a fumble to me

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

I think the ball was out before his elbow hit, but regardless, does elbow contact make someone down (if touched)? I think it may be anything other than hands/feet, but I'm not sure, and I wouldn't trust anything we get from this announcing crew.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

42 Tom, no-huddle is almost their base O. If not their base, per se, then they run it more than anybody.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

Most teams in the league would like to have a corner who could cover Wayne. They also have kids who would like a pony.

Reggie Wayne is the scariest guy on the field for the Indy offense today. This first drive did not make me feel less nervous, just glad they were able to keep it away from him in the red zone.

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by Queeqoug (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

What is it about the ravens that makes them so easy to dislike? I've got money on them to win the superbowl but i'm still kind of hoping they lose today

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by rollo (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:53pm

Fumble started coming out after the elbow had touched the ground I think.

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by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:54pm

Definitely a fumble.

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by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:54pm

#42--the Colts almost always run no huddle. It's their base offense.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:54pm

43: The Colts have tried that play before, but last time they messed up because Manning lined up under center, than stood up to do his chicken dance and the ball was snapped to Edge. It's a penalty when one player goes under center and somebody else takes the snap.

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by Ogden\'s Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:54pm

Re: 43
Typically, I'd agree with you Trogdor, but having watched the Ravens all season long, Ryan is such a big fan of LB movement, that I don't think he's willing to consistently drop someone back to protect the out. With Manning being as observant as he is, unless his playoffs yips take hold, I fully expect him to abuse Rolle all game.

Heap's fumble here, do yet another unnecessary flip, certainly won't help matters.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:55pm

Harper's head was down when he hit. See what you hit, man!

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:55pm

They actually "robbed" Indy of about a ten yard return, no? Just glad they got the call right.

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:56pm

43: Why not have Manning go out right like he’s yelling something to Harrison, and snap it to Addai?

If Manning starts under center, no one else is allowed to take the snap.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:57pm

Tony Romo-itis has affected this multiple players in this game

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:57pm

Abuse meter hits #3, but on #4 Wayne is taken down at the line. Rats.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:57pm

Getting wistful and missing Vanderjagt.

NOT

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:57pm

I'm hoping for Vintieri to go 8-8 and score all the Colts points.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:58pm

Just run the freakin offense!!!

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:58pm

If the Colts lose this game, it won't be because they didn't have the opportunity to lock it down early.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:58pm

2 fumbles, 2 Colt recoveries, Ravens 3 and out, Colts with a 25yd punt return, only 6-0? I'll take it.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:59pm

So, did the King sign with the Bears? Looks like they could use him tomorrow.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:00pm

i'm an eagles fan, but i'm rooting for the colts. i can't stand the ravens for some reason. very unlikable players. unlikable coach. awful purple and black unis. oh, and their entire fan base end every sentence with "hon."

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by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:01pm

PLAYOFFS!!!

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:01pm

Yeah, if the Colts lose, they'll really regret the fact that they have had to settle for two field goals when they easily could have been up 14-0.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:01pm

jim mora telling us not talk about playoffs. drink!

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:01pm

If Indianapolis can keep going at a three points per drive pace, that's plenty. Against the Ravens, that's actually really good, now that they've had two defensive stops.

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by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:01pm

I know they kept it that time, but the Ravens should, like, hold onto the ball.

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by Kyle (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:02pm

For the Super Bowl, I want two new commercials.

From Coors Light, Denny Green's post-game rant dealing with the guys going out on the town and picking up three prostitutes but then finding out they're guys. THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

From Burger King, Tony Romo botches the snap and scrambles for the end zone. The King tackles him on the 1.5 yard line. Then they show Romo crying on the field, and the King walks up to him and gives him a Texas (LOL) Double Whopper to lift his spirits.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:03pm

Jesus Christ, Jamal Lewis is REALLY slow.

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by JPM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:04pm

#51:

For me, it's that they have no humility at all and their "defensive leader" Ray Lewis is a very unlikable man.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:04pm

Now there's something that should be there all day -- here's hoping I hear Clayton as much as Wayne.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:04pm

Should somebody tell Deirdorf that Seattle wasn't looking for a QB last off-season.

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by Seth (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:04pm

re #68:

I'm in the exact same boat. I've actively disliked the Ravens for years, despite the fact that the Eagles see them once every 4 years.

Maybe it's those Sunday Night Football games when they miked up Ray Lewis and I had to listen him rant incoherently all night? I'm honestly not sure.

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:04pm

Marlin Jackson is one of the few people on our defense who regularly hits with purpose.

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by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:05pm

I'm an Eagles fan and have always liked the Manning Colts. I've always felt Peyton was unfairly overcrticized for the playoffs futility (strangely I've never given Reid and McNabb quite the same benefit of the doubt until very recently, obviously I'm aware of the irony). He's a great player and I like to see such players rewarded for their efforts. I expect they will win it all someday.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:05pm

Then you know nothing about Ray Lewis. Before you decide to hate someone, do the reading.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:05pm

Whew, somebody in white is remembering how to tackle. Where were these guys all season? Visiting Corey Simon in the hospice (or wherever)?

Nice punt, rookie.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:05pm

I missed the King commercial - what did he do and who was he playing for?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:05pm

Captain Checkdown has returned for Baltimore.

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by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:07pm

It appears that the Ravens run up the middle on first and second down to go three and out and set up a play action pass on first down the next drive.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:09pm

OK, you're abusing Rolle on stuff upfield, so on a key 3rd down you run a dumb little WR screen that lets the linebackers get involved? Brilliant, Colts.

Why did the King come in unblocked? Everyone knows the King is a playmaker, you at least have to try to block him! Who was coaching the Seahawks, Tressell? OK, and I will now let it go. Really.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:09pm

I'm noticing a trend emerging on the direction of Peyton's passes.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:09pm

Now I get why the Colts are running so much. They're terrified of 3rd and long versus the Ravens.

In other news, Samari Rolle is still T-O-A-S-T. Shoving Wayne to the ground inexplicably not being PI does not change this. WTF?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

Holy bad internet connection causing delayed posting, Batman!

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by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

Wha? What do you have to do to get PI? Reaching out with your hands and stopping the receiver isn't enough?

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by rollo (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

Illegal contact but because he fell down not enough for interference and no penalty? Thats a new one.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

84: The Bills, and he sacked Hasselbeck.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

Can someone explain that call to me? not even contact? not offensive PI nor D PI? weird. The WR got knocked down 20 yards downfield as the result of???.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:10pm

How the hell is that not a penalty?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:11pm

Apparently grabbing a receiver's jersey and throwing him down isn't enough for PI. Learn something new every day.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:12pm

Should the Ravens have their corners switch sides one play and see if Manning notices?

Cornerbacks keep note: there is a gray area in the rules that allow you to interfere, kind of, somewhat. Find that magic amount of contact, time the QB's release, and you're golden.

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by Queeqoug (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:12pm

It might've helped if Wayne hadn't dived to the ground in the opposite direction that he was pushed in. It was still PI though

99
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:12pm

Wait, the D-line is allowed to flinch, isn't it? As long as they don't cross the line of scrimmage?

100
by brian c (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:13pm

Colts seem to have decided to go quick on 3rd downs and have
confused themselves more than the Ravens.

101
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:13pm

Looks like Polian spoke the truth: McNair throws a beautiful long ball. 5 yards too long, but beautiful.

And Bob Sanders gets credit for a tackle when he was really just a roadbump.

102
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:14pm

jamal lewis runs like my RBs in madden. i always forget all the juke and jump buttons, so they just run straight ahead every time.

103
by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:14pm

One's a 5yd penalty, ones a 20-30 yd penalty (on this play). So, not absurd to think there's a difference in the threshold. Though it does seem pretty ridiculous when it is exposed in this fashion.

104
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:14pm

On the non-call, it looked like hand-checking between Wayne and Rolle, then Wayne lost his footing. Had Wayne stayed on his feet, it would have been incidental contact and no flag.

105
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:14pm

Glad to see the announcers give Mathis the credit for that play. He completely threw McNair off his stride there.

106
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:15pm

Sierra is basically the same truck as Silverado, right? Why are we hearing about it without learning whose country this is?

107
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:16pm

106: Cause GMC's ad agency hates America.

108
by Kunk (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:16pm

So the Ravens appear to have not learned their lesson from watching game tape. They're doing most of the same stuff that KC did. Running in run obvious situations. Passing in pass obvious situations. The Colts defense isn't that bad.

And where is Mike Anderson? Give him a few carries, please!

109
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:16pm

There's a lot to like about Robert Mathis, Indy's 240 lb DE (#98). He has a great nose for the ball, fast, even a decent tackler. Just too damn small. I imagine if he goes elsewhere he'll end up a monster 3-4 OLB.... but they re-signed him last year. Not sure for how many years.

And #121, your comments are way off base. Are we even watching the same game?

110
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:16pm

the sierra is marketed to america-hating liberals!

111
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:17pm

aces wild looks like stoooopid fun.

112
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:19pm

108: I think Mike Anderson would be very dangerous to the Colts (akin to Denver changing RBs earlier this year and discovering a new groove that almost beat Indy at 10 yards a run).

Keep Jamal!!!--dance with him that brung ya.

113
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:19pm

Typical Colt fan there, #109 -- responding to something that isn't there.

OK, let's ee what happens now that the first flurry is over -- I'm beginning to think that TD's will be in very short supply today.

114
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:20pm

Are Stover's KO's always that short? He study at the Vanderjagt Academy?

115
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:21pm

Nah, the Vinatieri

116
by Ogdens Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:21pm

3rd and 10 Samari time?

117
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:21pm

Kelso, you're joking right?

118
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:22pm

114: Aaron's preview says Stover is strong on kickoffs.

119
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:22pm

and there's the first one

120
by rollo (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:22pm

Baltimore's defense is throwing alot of different stuff at Manning. And, INT by Ed Reed as he shows off his vertical.

121
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:22pm

Anyone want to try a "Human Ball Magnet" joke? Does Mike Piazza play football?

122
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:23pm

Ed Reed is simply amazing to watch.

123
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:23pm

Uh-oh, they're turning back into the Colts.

124
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:23pm

I had only seen one Ravens game so far this year, and it was very early.

Only now am I beginning to truly realize how astonishingly good their defense is.

125
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:23pm

YESSSSSS!!!!!! Ed Reed sits on the pass to the tight end!

I suppose you have to hate him, too, right?

126
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:24pm

Hey Dallas Clark, hell of an effort there! If you are going to watch the game, instead of play it, go sit down.

127
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:24pm

Of course, I'm joking Bobman -- but Adam's KO's have been short today, too.

128
by sippican (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:24pm

Ed Reed is freakin' Spiderman.

129
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:25pm

Egad, now THIS is the game we all expected.

Jamal almost has... moves. And the Colts forgot how to... what's it called again? Tackle, that's it.

130
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:25pm

ed reed is money.

131
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:25pm

125: Nah, I like Reed. It's Ray Lewis I hate. Although, in Ray's defense, he never got suspended for steroid abuse.

132
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:25pm

Did we trade for Larry Johnson this week?

133
by Daniel (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:25pm

Did he just say that the Ravens have no weakness on defense? Gotta love how one successful play leads to that sort of hyperbole from TV announcers

134
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:26pm

It helped Reed a little that Ray Lewis was totally manhandling Clark while the ball was in the air. Still a nice catch by Reed though.

135
by brian c (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:26pm

That was the colts defense of
3 weeks ago.

136
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:26pm

dierdorf gets excited by jamal lewis breaking a tackle. spends a few minutes talking about his light feet.

137
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:27pm

Memo to both coaches. It's okay to throw the ball on early downs inside the 5 yard line. Really, you don't have to always run.

138
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:27pm

Tom Kelso, whew, you worried me. There was a thread last week where the argument was thrown forward 20-50 spaces a few times. I'm reading through trying to find out what I was arguing with... then realized... oh, my lame attempt at a joke.

Like the Colts' lame attempts at tackling.

139
by Kunk (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:28pm

I'd love to see a run on third and goal here. Cross up the defense. Alas, in shotgun, it would have to be McNair. But I guess that wouldn't be the worst thing.

140
by Ogdens Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:28pm

Looked like the Ravens were setting up for the QB draw there but Indy had one, if not two LBs on a spy. McNair calls a time out. Nice going on both sides.

141
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:29pm

okay. these moves coming are just gonna be bananas. first aces wild, now 300 looks crazy good.

142
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:29pm

Anytime Billick wants to go play-action on 2nd and short, it's fine by me. Really, it's fine!

143
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:29pm

134, I agree that Clark was pancaked by Lewis, but if Reed was not there, that ball could have been called uncatchable (and therefore not PI). Did Clark have a chance without any Raven there? I don't hink so.

They do seem to have a light hand on the PI flags this week though. Advantage Ravens.

144
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:30pm

oops

145
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:30pm

hopefully this game portends a weekend of well-played football. it can't get any worse than last weekend.

146
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:30pm

Well, that was unexpected.

147
by David (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:30pm

The WR on the left was wide open on that 3rd down.

148
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:31pm

I'm setting the over-under for picks at 5

149
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:31pm

ARRRRRGGGHHHHH

149
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:31pm

You know how in a lot of basketball arenas, the edge of the backboard lights up red when the shot clock hits zero to make it easier for officials to see it peripherally? Could football stadia start doing something similar (if they can find a non-invasive way, that is) to help officials know if the snap/timeout comes in time? This one was probably late, but you see it happen so often that it'd probably be worth a small investment.

McNair really forces one in. Huge turnover, but will the Colts be able to push it out from the one? On a side note, that's the hardest June's hit someone all year.

151
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:31pm

Wow give bethea a ton of credit for holding onto that after that hit June put on him.

152
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:31pm

Ah yes, the defensive struggle we all envisioned.

What do I like more? The INT or the fact that Indy now starts from their 1. Oh God. I imagine Ravens fans are pissed, but not terribly worried about the prospect of a 99-yard drive.

153
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:33pm

i think prince sightings should possibly be a drinking game, too... especially since john cougar concentration camp's song hasn't been played yet today.

154
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:33pm

147, so was the guy I think was TE on the left side--just kind of turned around and walked out there backwards. not in the EZ, but close.

155
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:34pm

I don't think the Colts running up the middle twice is "conservative". With their line against the Ravens in power situations, that's pretty darn risky.

Just two more yards and they have enough for a full snap on the punt!

156
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:37pm

What's the delay? I'm watching the nfl.com feed at work -- no explanations being given.

157
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:37pm

diem must have some bad reflexes...

158
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:37pm

That was a heck of a play on third and 2

159
by Daniel (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:37pm

What a BS penalty call

160
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:38pm

Is Manning outrushing McNair now?

161
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:38pm

Since when does the reaction to the D coming across need to be "instinctive"? They come across, the offense moves to catch them before they can get back. Who cares if it's instinctive? Smart play by Diem.

162
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

dan dierdorf just called peytohn "old number 18." kill me.

163
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

159: Really? It's BS if the defensive lineman gets so far offsides that he's nearly behind the tackle he lined up across from?

Did you go to the Obnoxious Fanboy School of Homerism? If you did, I imagine you graduated with honors.

164
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

who likes McAllister's "tackle" when Harrison was fetal on the ground? Looked like he was trying to break some ribs.

164
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

who likes McAllister's "tackle" when Harrison was fetal on the ground? Looked like he was trying to break some ribs.

166
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

Well, here is the game we expected. Colts can't run it. Ravens pound it well.

After the first couple of shots against Rolle, the Ravens adjusted and Peyton's looking around for somebody to get open. Marvin seems to be doing his annual disappearance in the playoffs. If the Colts can't get a receiver to come open soon, it is going to be an ugly, ugly game for the horseshoes

167
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:39pm

#160 --

Yep, and McNair is out-passing Peyton. This one has a long way to go.

168
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:40pm

the ravens D clearly leads the league in histrionics.

169
by Joshua (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:40pm

Peyton Manning's defense is really, really letting him down again.

170
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:41pm

Bethea 1 (getting whacked by your own guy after an INT)

McAllister 0

I guess it's true: Lewis hits harder than June.

171
by fromanchu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:41pm

5:
thanks for making those shots extra strong

172
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

Another miscommunication between Manning and Harrison. Marvin sat down in a hole in the zone, Manning led him, nearly picked.

And Gumbel just claims Manning threw it away on the flea flicker, apparently not noticing Harrison wide open right in the path of the ball. Oh my goodness.

173
by Joshua (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

It Looks like "God's Linebacker" is down.

174
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

Well, that was one of the worst calls ever by a play-by-play guy, Gumbel. I wouldn't exactly call that throwing it away.

175
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

Why does Harrison step out? He probably could have gotten another five to ten yards

176
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

How the hell can Marvin stop running on the in route???!!!!

He breaks, Peyton throws, Marvin just freakin stops running!!!!!!

177
by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:42pm

Peyton Manning’s defense is really, really letting him down again.

Never gets old. Nope, never.

178
by Kyle (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:43pm

Greg Gumbel doing his best Bryant Gumbel impersonation.

179
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:43pm

154:

That was Mike Anderson (who I think could have scored easily). The TE was Heap, who McNair was trying to force it too after staring him down.

180
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:43pm

Manning's the only QB who can throw the ball away for an 18 yard completion.

181
by Daniel (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:43pm

163 I'm not even a Ravens fan. I just think it's silly, in principle, that a flinch by the OL can lead to a penalty being called on the DL. Maybe I should have said BS rule instead of BS call. Not really a big deal either way

182
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:43pm

anyone else think announcers congratulate QBs for their "pocket presence" when they really just have quick releases? (manning, brees and palmer come to mind)

183
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:44pm

C'mon Colts! You ran the flea-flicker, now it's time for the Statue of Liberty!

184
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:44pm

Good lord, those guys are far back.

185
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:44pm

It was pretty obvious the reason Manning threw it low was so that Addai wouldn't get murdered.

186
by Joshua (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:45pm

MANNING FACE!

joel, drink up.

187
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:45pm

Got to love the FG that bounces in for the record

188
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

Vinatieri's caddy read the distance on that one perfectly.

189
by The Other Jed (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

Vinateri = MVP

Best money the Colts have spent in years.

190
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

2 points:
Gumbel is still the worst play-by-play man out there.

I came in late, but to address why Pats fans hate the Colts, in addition to the recent history (and they've beaten us 2 straight), they also used to be division opponents. I hated them in the late 80s and early 90s when I started watching football. Just because they left the division doesn't make them any less unpalatable to me.

And yet, I still kind of want them to win, because I live in DC and I just KNOW all the guys who were touting how Gibbs was going to run shit all year will be Ravens fans.

Adam V just made that kick really dramatic...

190
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

The horseshoes have brought their lucky horseshoes this game.

192
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

Diem didn't move out of his stance until the Ravens player was already way over the line. Then he got up and pointed. The thing that happened first led to the thing that happened second. Generally, causation doesn't work in reverse chronological order.

193
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

Does that count as Vinatieri's "clutchness"?

194
by Alan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:46pm

McAllister dropped because Lewis hit him! Wait, no he didn't. He dropped because Lewis tipped it! Showing the replay again... no, no he didn't.

Now the flea-flicker, and Peyton throws it away! ...for the completion.

Man, some announcing we've got here.

195
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:47pm

dierdorf on vinatieri's kick: "to say that he made it by the hair on his chinny-chin-chin would be the understatement of the year." if you try to think about that for a few seconds, your head starts to burn.

196
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:47pm

171 YES! ditto.

Hey, why all this fuss about Vanderjagt--he's playing pretty well THIS post season. All he had to do was change his uni number.

Man, I am not much for body langauge study, but looking at the Ravens on the bench, they look like they're down 21. Heads hanging, panting....

197
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:47pm

That crossbar is clutch.

198
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:47pm

Dallas Clark gave up on the last 3d down throw. Anyone notice that he was looking at the defenders to see who might hit him rather than go for the ball?

Joey Porter was right. The Colts receivers are pussies.

199
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:48pm

"Gumbel is still the worst play-by-play man out there."

Well, yes, if you are referring to Bryant Gumbel. Greg is OK, although he really botched that call a few minutes ago.

200
by Ogdens Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:48pm

I have a feeling the Colts will give McNair the -2 yard pass all day long.

201
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:49pm

"Swarming Colt defense"? Has anyone ever uttered that sentence before?

202
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:49pm

So, how is Freeney doing so far?

203
by Doomsday Device (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:49pm

182: Yeah, but I think that play could be defined more as pocket presence.

204
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:50pm

I realize I hadn't posted in a while, but I've had a longstanding hatred of Greg Gumbel that is fairly well documented on this site. I really wish he left the booth and went back to dishing out "Beach Justice!".

205
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:50pm

If McNair continues his Captain Checkdown routine, the Ravens are not going to win this game. He needs to go down the field. Also, that was the worst designed screen I've ever seen. Don't screen passes normally have blockers?

205
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:50pm

201: Yea, it was a pretty standard Colts commentary cliche back in 2005. Blah blah they swarm to the ball blah blah.

207
by Greg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:51pm

Does my burning desire to send a letter bomb to the CBS broadcast booth make me a bad person? The ballwashing from Fouts is more than I can stand.

208
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:51pm

drinking guinness out of the bottle is wrongerer than the our country commercial.

209
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:51pm

Yaguar, I believe the rule is that the O-lineman's movement has to be a direct reaction to the DL encroachment. If it was a direct reaction, then it was a second too late, I seriously doubt he's that slow.

210
by Daniel (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:52pm

192 I understand. But it would not have been a penalty had he not moved, as the DLineman would have gotten back before the snap. I'm just saying that I don't agree with a wording of the rules that allows the OL to gain a 5-yard penalty by jumping up and pointing. I think that if you want to catch the DLine offside, you should have to get the snap off. It's been a pet peeve of mine for a while, and this happened to be a good example of it. But it's really not worth taking up more of the discussion thread on it, so let's forget it.

211
by Kuato (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:52pm

Bob can hit, but he can't catch.

212
by Greg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

I was channeling my past life. I meant Dierdorf

213
by Ogdens Feet (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

Steve, you have these guys on the outside, they're called wide receivers. They like to run down the field, and you know, pick up yards. One of them has played with you for many years. Maybe, just maybe, you might want to throw the ball to them once in awhile.

214
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

210: OK.

215
by stamford (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

I can see why Sanders isnt a WR!

216
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

you mean dierdorf. Fouts was relegated to college announcing because he actually made sense from time to time.

217
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:53pm

Well, that drive was a total waste of life.

218
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:54pm

and apparently I type very slowly...

219
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:54pm

So when the Colts defense is actually tackling, they;re swarming, but when they're over pursuing and missing tackles, they're soft, right?

220
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:55pm

that catch was sick-wit-it. even if he didn't get his feet in. just give it to him!

221
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:55pm

Too bad that was incomplete. That was pretty.

222
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:55pm

Its incomplete because he stepped out, not because he was bobbling it.

If you didn't have video and were just listening to the announcers, you'd be listening to a different game

223
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:55pm

219: Yea, something like that. Swarming is the good version of overpursuing.

224
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

What is a stousch? It sounds like a feminine hygiene product. Freakin' Deirdorf!

225
by Scott de B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

Interesting tidbit: "skosh" comes from Japanese "sukoshi" meaning "a little bit." It was picked up by US servicemen after WWII.

226
by Kuato (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

That was a sweet catch, too bad it was out of bounds by a few inches.

227
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

Are players on the receiving team allowed to just hit the other guys in the back while the kick is in the year? I thought that was a block in the back.

228
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

omg. ravens take over on offense and no commercial break. does chevy know about this?

229
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:56pm

This is what worries me:

This is about as bad as Peyton is going to play -- 50%, less than 5 ypa, a pick -- and he's ahead.

If it goes in at this margin, we are in serious trouble.

230
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:57pm

God, I love that they're booing

Fuck the ravens, what a classless organization from top to bottom.

231
by The Other Jed (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:57pm

"That's gutless football."

--That announcer guy from Varsity Blues

232
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:58pm

Steve McNair has never been very good at the two minute offense.

233
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:58pm

Is it me or is Manning putting a little extra hot sauce on his throws? Well, if my guys can't catch 'em, NOBODY will.... Now if only he had Harold Carmichael running routes (yeah, so I'm old).

234
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:58pm

Alright, I lieu of Shannon Sharpe, I am going to watch the last hour of 24 season 5 so that I'm all caught up for tomorrow night. Screw halftime!

235
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:58pm

That's weak.

236
by jebmak (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:58pm

That's weak.

237
by Dagagad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:59pm

#230 wow and it begins.

237
by Dagagad (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:59pm

#230 wow and it begins.

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by JPM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:59pm

Did you see that catch that was out of bounds and meant absolutely nothing? Sweetest catch ever that has no meaning. It shoud be called "the immaculate non-reception". Dierdorf Rocks!!

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:59pm

227 looked like it to me. Maybe if nobody has the ball it's not really a "block"...?

228: Whose country is this anyway?!

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:00pm

210: Actually that play wasn't really the type that rule was designed for, because as you point out, the offense can always snap the ball and catch them. It's more designed for plays where a defender would run right up to the line, get within a nanoinch of a lineman, and if the lineman so much as gets a goosebump, it's five yards on the offense. Or the defender could keep coming and get a free (read: dirty and undefended) hit on an offensive player, who couldn't move in any way to protect himself without hurting his team. The rule was changed to allow for an offensive player to brace himself against a cheap hit, or flinch (which it's almost impossible not to) if someone gets up under his facemask without making contact. That it can be applied to plays like that is a side effect that does less harm than not having the rule at all.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:00pm

227 I know that always bothers me. I think a lot of times when the result of a play is clear it suddenly becomes a FFA out there.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:00pm

cd6: please elaborate.

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by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:02pm

241 exactly, you explained that perfectly explained

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:04pm

So which team leads in the key stat of dropped interceptions?

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:04pm

243

cd6 = steelers fan, so, that probably explains most of it

plus, the ridiculous smack talking, the fans booing their own team down only one score, the continued employment of ray lewis, that time ray lewis did the joey porter boot when joey was stuck on the sideline with a bullet hole in his bum, etc = classless

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:06pm

johnny -- he's a Rivethead, asking him to elaborate is pointless.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:08pm

As a Colt fan, I'll stick up for Jonnyblazin here.

Aside from the two Lewis's legal troubles, which I am not qualified to address, they seem a bit mouthy and thuggish, but not classless as an entire organization. McNair has always struck me as a stand-up guy (when he can stand, that is).

They're built to intimidate, D-first, and that's how they play and purport themselves in the media as well. It's their persona. Their fans might hate Indy, but they're equal-opportunity boo-ers and let you know when they're not happy. I really dislike booing, but undersdtand it.

And fans are NOT the organization. That's far as I'll go. There are more classless fans out there and dirtier teams.

And I'd rather this not turn into a mud-slinging thread. Let's please stick with the game. It's a pretty good one. Not the best performances on offense that we've ever seen, but good, hard-hitting, etc. Looks like it will come down to ONE BIG PLAY, if it hasn't already.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:08pm

"Rivethead"? I'm crying on the inside. :( :(

Seriously though, just ignore my biases... there's no need to turn this into some kind of flame war. I was just posting a happy comment when the fans booed their own team, since I would boo too if I were there.

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by Greg (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:10pm

I always enjoy the pontificating of folks on various threads regarding the arbitrarily assigned level of "class." Particularly from a fan of team that did not make the playoffs. A Steelers fan with a negative feeling towards smack talking must be filled with self loathing when the steelers are actually still playing.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:10pm

Wait, your a fan of the Steelers and you have a problem with "ridiculous smack talking"? Remember Joey Porter smacking an injured Todd Heap down on a spike when the rest of the 21 players did nothing? In fact, remember the last time Joey Porter did anything? Talk about classless.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:10pm

cd6:
Right, Joey Porter is such a stand up guy and all.

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by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:11pm

Captain Checkdown was on full display in the first half. An ultra-conservative gameplan for a QB you can't trust. Could McNair look for his WRs once in a while?
If you make a big defensive stop with over a minute left, how about trying to get into FG range instead of running out the clock? Pathetic.

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by Igor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:13pm

Speaking of Joey Porter, what was his quote last year against the Colts when he said something along the lines of "Why are you out thinking us, and not running the ball through the middle."

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:13pm

I generally don't hold Joey Porter accountable for his actions, because he's obviously got some kind of chemical inbalance.

That said, I hope we can just return to commenting on the game.

peace.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:13pm

That was more or less the best 2-3 yard run I've seen in a while

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:14pm

And now back to the game. cd6 is just bitter the ref's couldn't hand his team a ring this year... again. Oh God, now I appear to be standing up for the Ravens.

Anyone think Rhodes will see significant action tonight?

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:15pm

The Colts got jobbed on the spot on that run. Good thing they got it anyway

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:15pm

What's the over under for this game?

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:16pm

Holy moly, Clark got his head taken off. nice catch

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:16pm

Care to retract your Colts wideouts are pussies comment, stan?

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:17pm

Manning better give Clark a reacharound after that pass, cause he damn sure screwed his TE.

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:18pm

Wait, wait, just kidding. You can go back to mocking them, stan.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:18pm

Ouch, its got to hurt to use a timeout 4 minutes into the half.

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by coldbeer4thesoul (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:18pm

#259
o/u:41

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:19pm

Manning makes a lot of nice throws, but the ones I find the most impressive are often the ones in the middle to Dallas Clark. They're some weird sort of beautiful lob that just drops right in without floating too long.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:19pm

262- After that drop, they're even.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:21pm

i'm not sure who has class and who doesn't... i just don't like the ravens' on-field personas. every NFL player puts on some kind of facade when he' playing. i just think the ravens characters are villains.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:21pm

Blimps Snoopy 1 and Snoopy 2 are pussies if they can't handle that weather.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:21pm

I might go for it here. How many field goals are they going to kick tonight?

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:22pm

Does it seem to anyone else like the Colts are playing with fire by kicking all these field goals? It seems to me that they're putting a lot of pressure on their D.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:24pm

Okay, who called a six-FG day for Vinatieri? That's looking pretty good to me. I say McNair and the RBs get something going and Indy pulls it out 18-17.

Will they be physically able to face the next game after today? Is there enough Advil in the state of Indiana? Wait, Bob, you're getting ahead of yourself.

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:24pm

Its time for captain checkdown to morph into captain comeback.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

Geez. Vinatieri is money on FGs today, but his kickoffs are rancid.

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

I think that Micky D's commercial is pointless but at least it gives Jeremy Miller some work. Otherwise he might "leak" a sex tape and who wants to see Mike Seaver's little brother's wang?

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

marvin hagler sightin! har har har. i'm so funny...

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

Manning is doing a good job moving around in the pocket to escape pressure, but his line is also doing an excellent job protecting him. It seems like he hasn't been touched, and he's had time to sit back there for a while.

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by Biffy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

RE #269 So true. The Goodyear blimp wouldn't puss out like that.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:25pm

272: Technically, I called 8. we'll see.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:26pm

Is there something in the Indy water that makes their kickers incapable of a decent KO?

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:26pm

270

got to make it a 2 possession game.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:27pm

268 Excatly, like the WWF. ...talk about classless.... maybe tacky is a better word for pro wrestling.

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by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:29pm

Fouts needs to learn the difference between the face and the chest

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:29pm

TMQ just got a boner.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:29pm

Anyone want to guess what the score would be if the Colts had Vanderjerk? Actually, it would probably be higher, because Manning wouldn't be willing to go off the field on fourth and short with an automatic miss.

Dang. Colts blow their second TO

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by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

McNair's DPAR is going to look much worse than his conventional stats, because he keeps throwing short on third down.

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by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

All right, Billick found his balls. Now let's see if McNair can manage to get the ball 5 yards down the field.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

Let's see if this play winds up in TMQ this week -- 4th down in the Maroon Zone

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

Harris: Ha ha - that was laugh out loud funny.

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

How are the Colts not prepared for the Ravens to go for it on fourth and 4, past midfield?

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:30pm

Harris, I am almost scared to ask for an explanation.... The TV is temporarily off... did Indy NOT blitz?

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by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

TMQ just went limp.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

Alright, TMQ just wrote 'game over'

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

Never mind. Slow connection.

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

a bush interview and the duke lacross non-rape case. good work 60 minutes!

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

290,

Tony D screws up his timeouts again.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

OH MY GOD TMQ JUST GOT HIS NOTEBOOK OUT

Unless the Colts win. Then that page will be ripped out and covertly discarded.

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by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:32pm

Yeah, a real cold shower for TMQ.

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by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:33pm

293-

No, no no... this is the playoffs. Manning should be good for two pick-6s in the fourth quarter if that's what it will take to squander the game.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:34pm

So was that "go for it" look Jeff Fisheresque gamesmanship to erase an Indy TO when they planned to punt all along?