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Playoff Game Discussion: BAL-IND

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the second-round playoff game between Baltimore and Indianapolis. Each game this year will get its own discussion thread, so please discuss the other games in those specific threads.


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301
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:34pm

johnt: I think you meant unless the Ravens win.

302
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:35pm

manning could politely hand the ball to ray lewis 8 times in a row the way the ravens "offense" is playing.

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by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:35pm

Well, that was almost all the punt yardage back.

304
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:35pm

Nice blocking by Harrison

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:35pm

TMQ just exploded. Exploded!

I'd really like to see a post-game analysis of what Manning saw and audibled to that led to that giant run.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:35pm

I guess Rhodes was the starter all year for SOME reason. Not sure what that reason might be, however....

307
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:36pm

Okay, that backwards scoot made me laugh.

308
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:36pm

Good Lord. Those Colts receivers can catch!

309
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:36pm

How 'bout that awesome trick play the Colts did?! A power iso off guard! Mindblowing.

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:37pm

Did anyone see that shot of Billick holding the copy of his offensive gameplan? He had his thumb over the first letter but the other letters were "ARTYBALL." Hmm, I wonder...

311
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:37pm

And Marvin Harrison is a very lucky man

312
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:37pm

ugh, 3 fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries by the Colts.

313
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:37pm

312 fartyball?

314
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:37pm

balls still slick?

315
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:38pm

Billick, you might need that timeout that you are about to lose after your challenge is denied.

316
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:39pm

Waste of a challenge, little to gain and it's a likely loss anyway. Billick is pressing.

317
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:39pm

Yeah, but can Prilosec pick up the blitzing safety?

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:39pm

312- Not really. Schotty always goes conservative when he's up like 5. The Ravens are down nine and being conservative

319
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:40pm

Hermyball?

320
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:40pm

nice work CSI:NY writers. god CBS' programming blows.

321
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:41pm

Gumbel's had a ton of missed called today. I'm almost pining for his brother (almost).

322
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:41pm

That should have been a pick six.

323
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:41pm

I wonder if Ray Lewis put money on the Colts?

324
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:41pm

What is a "laser rocket"? I've heard of a rocket arm, and I've heard of throwing lasers, but come on. Is he implying he has a laser-guided rocket? His arm has a guidence system? Or is there someone on the sideline with a laser pointer who tracks his recievers? Freakin' Manning.

Oh, and those quasi-animated commercial of people talking about their finances give me a headache, as well as seem to be a monumental waste of money. Is that what they do with my account maintenece fees?

Damn Gumbell! Get the call right!

325
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:42pm

The Colts have been lucky on fumbles and dropped interceptions today. They haven't been playing like a great football team.

But they'll probably advance another round at this rate.

That's the point that we Colts people have known for a really long time. The playoffs are flukey. You can be a really good team with a really good quarterback and a good defense, and be one and done. You can be terrible and luck through a game randomly, a la Seattle. You can throw a bunch of dropped interceptions and still win. You can have a key field goal go wide right.

The best thing you can hope for is to try to get to the playoffs each year, and hope that you get lucky one year.

326
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:43pm

i love prince, but WTF? just WTF. i don't get it.

327
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:43pm

When I think of Prince, I do not think of football. Just like when I think of Pink, I do not think of football. Actually, I try not to think of Prince or Pink at all.

328
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:43pm

Ray Lewis, master of the unfortunate pass defensed. I know I hate the Ravens, but... yeah, that's it.

329
by Kyle (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:43pm

Someone in the NFL executive offices needs to open an investigation into Peyton Manning's postseason play. These passes are so blatantly thrown to Ravens defenders, in addition to the presents he gave to Ty Law last week and, well, every game Peyton has ever played in the playoffs against teams not from Denver. This is some serious Paul "Wrecking" Crewe stuff going on.

330
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:44pm

I seriously cannot believe the Colts were taken completely surprise by the screen pass on second and long from their own 4.

331
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:44pm

329: "The best thing you can hope for is to try to get to the playoffs each year, and hope that you get lucky one year."

Well said, I agree. Same theme for the fantasy players.

332
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:44pm

HOLY SHIT

333
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:44pm

Seriously, if you want to distance yourself from wardrobe malfunctions, why on earth would you hire the guy who is known for wearing assless chaps?

334
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

I am so confused... what just happened

335
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

That was the most exciting gain of five yards ever.

336
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

i don't care if it gets called back. i love laterals.

337
by Doug (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

I just turned on the game...the Ravens current deficit of 9 points is their fifth largest deficit at any time this year. That's gotta say something about the way this game is going, but I don't think it's gonna end like this...

338
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

Talk about ridiculous plays that won't show up on the stat sheet

339
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

That lateral was quite unexpected. Well, at least the catch got nullified and only a 5 yard play.

340
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:45pm

Yes!

Enjoy your pet "point of emphasis", Polian/Dungy!

341
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:47pm

346: LOL!

As much as I pretend to hate Patriots fans, you guys can be pretty fun sometimes.

Hoping to see you next week.

342
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:47pm

Re: #338

Yeah, but see, the assless chaps were on purpose. Totally different thing.

343
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:48pm

RE: 338, maybe they want to see his ejaculating guitar?

Helluva catch by Heap!

344
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:48pm

McNair needs to buy Heap dinner for a week for that catch.

345
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:48pm

329: "That’s the point that we Colts people have known for a really long time."

Colt people? You mean, Centaurs?

346
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:48pm

Funny how the networks insist on the "thrown to" column and won't call them "targets."

347
by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

Re: #347

Well, if the Colts hold on, I'm sure FO will be rooting for the Chargers to hold serve, so that FO doesn't have to worry about its servers melting down.

348
by MLA (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

Looks like both of these coaches attended the Herm Edwards School of Clock Management!

349
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

I'm glad The Tick is back on live action TV agian, but I just can't buy David Spade as some sort of ladykiller.

350
by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

Re: 352. "Could you enter yourself in the Kentucky Derby? If so, would you have to have a tiny jockey riding you?"

351
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

My gosh. Jamal Lewis is not that shifty. Just tackle him

352
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:49pm

If the Ravens get a TD on this drive I'm calling the Manning INT on the Colts next drive right here.

353
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:50pm

Did I just hear a black guy telling a white guy about a Seinfeld character the white guy had never heard of? Talk about a reversal of roles.

354
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:50pm

Jamal Lewis is about as shifty as my couch. How in the hell are the Colts missing him?

355
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:50pm

The Andy Reid school of clock management is a dubious one, as well.

356
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:50pm

#349,
All the more reason to fear. Even if the wardrobe functions properly, it still is inappropriate.

And could someone explain why David Spade keeps getting work? He hasn't been funny since Chris Farley did 60 lines of coke off of that call girl's back...

357
by Doomsday Device (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:50pm

I think David Spade is playing the same loser character he always does.

358
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:51pm

You know what could be an effective advertising campaign? "Geico.com, so easy even Gumbel and Dierdorf can use it"

359
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:51pm

I think whichever team wins this game will become Patriots fans for a day. I don't think either one wants to have to try and stop LT.

360
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:52pm

Okay, seven boring Colts quarters down, but at least they're still winning.

At least no Mellencamp yet today.

361
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:52pm

Gumbell isn't black anymore. He converted back in '96.

362
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:53pm

365 holy crap

367 yes indeed. That's been my rooting interest all along.

363
by guy (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:53pm

Disclaimer: I don't know the rules.

Question: How is the illegal contact nullifying the catch/return/fumble different than the illegal contact that was called "no penalty" when Wayne got knocked down in the first half?

364
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:53pm

365: I kind of expected that. Fumble luck is what has us winning.

But you know what? I'll take it.

365
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:54pm

please no more Sypniewski. The only memories I have of him this season is committing key false start penalties.

366
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:54pm

They mention the 1979 NFC Championship game with no score and no teams? Wow, who's in the truck? Terrible. (That's LA over Tampa, right?)

367
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:54pm

Wrong color there, "Aaron".

368
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:54pm

Aaron, while you're around, could you fix post 372 so it doesn't kill the thread formatting?

369
by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:54pm

Re: 372. You broke the tables. I hope you're happy.

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by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:55pm

#372, you screwed up my formatting. I think 18 "A"s after H would have sufficed.

371
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:55pm

Yaguar, some say "better lucky than good." Not DVOA--it seriously does not say that. But some do.

When it comes to the playoffs, I'll take anything to stop the pain. Luck, voodoo, laughing at Dierdorf's jokes....

372
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:56pm

Nice to see Mike Anderson isn't dead. Maybe they should let him, I don't know, run a few times?

372
by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:56pm

Re: 376. Wow, good job noticing that.

Good job also to the poster who actually wrote 365. You should have tried to color it red though.

374
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:57pm

Gee whiz. I need a 40 inch screen to view the thread now

375
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:57pm

How the hell did that happen? I assumed it was my laptop.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:57pm

Man, way back around post 44 I was going to call out post 372 for being a
jerk. Too bad I didn't pull the trigger on that one.

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by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:58pm

It was Rams 9, Bucs 0 back in the 1979 NFC Title game (January 1980). Vince Ferragamo lives.

378
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:58pm

Stop remaking movies, stop changing the number of passengers in the car for the Hitcher, and for the love of god bring back Rutger Hauer!

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:58pm

Trogdor--way funny. You have 20/20 hindsight.

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by Register Allocation (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:59pm

#375

1979 NFC Championship: LA Rams 9, TB Bucs, 0

381
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:59pm

Oh now look what you've gone and done.

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 8:59pm

Question: How is the illegal contact nullifying the catch/return/fumble different than the illegal contact that was called “no penalty� when Wayne got knocked down in the first half?

The contact on Wayne came after the ball was in the air, so it had to be pass interference or nothing, and they decided on nothing.

383
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:00pm

Wilkins--2 muffs self-recovered. This is not sustainable, dude. Hang on, okay?

384
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:00pm

Will someone TAKE the damn game! Indy's trying to give it to us, fior crying out loud!

385
by Ken (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:00pm

I'm having to watch on damned GameCenter. Has Wilkins really fumbled two kickoffs?

386
by NF (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:01pm

In re: 365

If Aaron Schatz has all his posts in different colors, he should probably block comments that use "Aaron Schatz" as the name.

To make clear to everyone, post 365 probably isn't actually Aaron Schatz. Furthermore, it's unlikely that Aaron has a program for taking play-by-play and producing DVOA from sources other than the official online gamebook.

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by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:01pm

Muffs have a better chance of being recovered than most fumbles, I'd think.

388
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:01pm

394- Yep, it's accurate.

389
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:01pm

394: Yes. Wilkins has always worried me as a return man. He always looks like he's about to do something either incredibly brilliant or incredibly stupid. This game, much more of the latter.

390
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:01pm

can other teams stop bitin' the whole terrible towel idea, please?

391
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:02pm

NF Logical like Spock.

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by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:02pm

Did the stadium announcer actually just do product plugs, or did CBS make it sound echo-y for us to think that?

Finally! There has been a ton of holding just not getting called on both sides, moreso than usual.

393
by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:02pm

Re: 400.

Fascinating.

394
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:03pm

and there it is.

395
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:03pm

remember what i was saying about peyton politely handing the ball to the ravens D?

396
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

Has that hurry up worked yet for the Colts?

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by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

Uh, what amounts to a 50-yard net punt on third and long isn't a "negative," Dan.

397
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

Meh. It's as good as a punt.

399
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

YES! Thank you, Jesus!

400
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

ball should have been spotted 8 yds further up.

401
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

That was one of those "basically a punt" interceptions.

402
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:04pm

Why overreact to that pick? It's essentially a punt. Big deal.

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by Doug (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

saweeeeeet!

404
by Kyle (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

I'll just point to Post #334 as commentary for that vintage Peyton postseason throw.

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by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

On the other hand, would a punt by the Colts from the 10 really have gotten the ball all the way to the Ravens 39?

406
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

Um, am I confused or was that INT as good as a 50 yard net punt? Which considering Hunter's last shank is hella good.

I know it goes into the Manning choker narrative, but really I think that wasn't a bad call to just take a shot.

407
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

Had it occured to them that hurrying up on third might not be a good idea?

408
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

Funny how we all get the "as good as a punt" theme but the two chuckleheads in the booth don't.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:05pm

Better than a punt!

410
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:06pm

I don't think there's anything against the Ravens defense that really qualifies as a "good idea."

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:06pm

Good thing I'm in D.C., should be able to go see Rep. Henry Waxman's Oversight Committee hearings on the topic of "Peyton Manning WTF??!!"

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by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:06pm

#410:
good point. i must be giddy/delirious from all the field goals. ;)

413
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:07pm

From the "long INT as good as a punt" division. As long as they called Reed out of bounds, anyway.

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by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:07pm

But it was an interception, not a punt! Interception = demoralizing, punt = field position game! And what about Mannings passer rating! The game isn't all about winning!

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by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:07pm

Was the INT really so bad? It was 3rd and a lot.
It ends up being a punt, with a big play possibility.
Not such a bad gamble in my mind.

416
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

And back to the Colts.

417
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

That's pick #4

418
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

Thanks for the link, 389. I totally forgot Tampa Bay hosted that game.

Not McNair's finest day, obviously.

419
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

Maybe McNair should stick to checkdowns.

420
by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

Now that interception probably wasn't as good as a punt.

421
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:08pm

Colts... 6 man blitz? And it works?

422
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:09pm

Huh. The blitz worked. Looks like no raspberry jam for Mrs. TMQ tonight.

422
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:09pm

Anything that gets the ball is a good thing -- especially if it makes the Colts think twice about going deep.

See? Are you going to say that THAT was as good as a short punt?

424
by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:09pm

4 ints and at least 4 dropped picks. that's some playoff caliber passing there.

425
by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:09pm

Where's Boller?

426
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:10pm

Well, against all this "as good as a punt" thing, if the refs got the call right, Baltimore would have run it back at least 20 yards. It's harder for your offensive players to tackle than your special teams guys. Now with the way it ended up, yeah, it was better than a punt, but it could have been much worse.

Now THAT pick was MUCH worse than a punt.

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:10pm

I don't buy the "good as a punt" thing one bit. The % of INT's run back for TD's/quality field position I would (rather obviously) assume dwarfs the % of punts run back, even if you control for where they're caught.

428
by Robert (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:10pm

"Gotta fight for that football! Gotta fight for it!"

What does that mean? The receiver's momentum carried him away from the
ball, he couldn't have stopped that McNair pick....

429
by RobM (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:10pm

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD RUN THE BALL YOU MORONS

430
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:11pm

We can debate how to characterize Manning's play, but there can be no argument that he is playing light years better than McNair.

Notice Dierdorf saying the receiver has to fight for the ball, but not a word when the Colt receivers have given up on three or four.

431
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:11pm

I don't see the "as good as a punt" argument:
1. It was third down
2. it could have been run back far more than any average punt return
3. who knows what it does to PM's head.

And as I type this, McNair's intercepted. What a totally crappy game offensively, on both sides.

432
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:11pm

Ed Reed can play on my hoop team anytime. Wow. Major hops.

433
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:12pm

Ed Reed just hit Jom Sorgi

434
by jeff t (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:12pm

Prediction: Vinatieri misses a 30 yard FG as time expires with Indy down 13-12.

435
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:12pm

Man...I feel so bad for both defenses in this game.

436
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:13pm

Is Gumble really surprised the Ravens would play safeties deep on 3rd and 19?

437
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:13pm

The point isn't that ALL picks are as good as punts ... merely that this last Manning pick essentially was as good as a punt, more or less.

438
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:13pm

stan, McNair has a better percentage, more yards, and a better ypa. What is better about how Peyton is playing?

It galls me that we can be behind when Peyton is having such a rotten game.

439
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:13pm

4430: It was 3rd down and 19 from the Colts 10 against the Ravens D. Certainly before the play began one would not choose interception. But the effect of the play was the same as a 50 yard net punt. I doubt the Colts had objections to the outcome of the play.

440
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:14pm

This game is entertaining and ugly. Offense is being set back a few years.

441
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:14pm

Thats two three and outs in a row. I think its pretty imperative the Ravens score a TD here, you can't expect to shut Peyton out for the rest of the game.

442
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:14pm

Anyone remember the last time a Colt receiver was open?

443
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:14pm

Gumble strikes me as the kind of person that is surprised when the elevator door opens and there is different stuff outside.

444
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:15pm

452: Well played, sir.

445
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:15pm

how bout: "not that much worse than a punt."

446
by Robert (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

Hey NFL: I won't pay for the NFL Network, but I will pay $2 per game if I can get just the basic crowd and field audio during a game WITHOUT a play-by-play or color man. Seriously.

447
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

Intentional grounding? Anyone?

448
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

And that is how McNair ended up with a bruised sternum a few years ago. Anyone see his mouthpiece fly out?

449
by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

how was that not intentional grounding?

450
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

Was there a Ravens receiver anywhere there?

451
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

How's that not intentional grounding?

452
by MLA (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

How is that not intentional grounding!?! What am I missing?

453
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

So much for the time of possession monsters. Maybe the way the defenses are playing compared to the Os, let them just play both ways from here on out. Never thought I'd say that about Indy.

454
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:16pm

It looked like he clearly just flicked his wrist to send the ball forawrd.. shouldn't that be intentional grounding?

Ravens are having some protection problems now

455
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:17pm

What a pitiful offensive series.

456
by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:17pm

smj-

If Peyton's thinking, "I don't care
if this is picked off" then it does
nothing to his head. Also, he's got to
go down the field - it wasn't just 3rd down,
it was 3rd and very long, deep in his own territory.
So, he figures there's no downside to taking a shot.
Especially one where if it is picked off, the defensive
back is almost ceertainly going out of bounds.
Notwithstanding that Reed made a spectacular play to
lateral it and the officials bailed the Colts out.

457
by stamford (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:17pm

God... Please, please Pats beat the Bolts. Free championship if you do.

458
by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:17pm

Colts +165 looking good!
Drinks on me during NO/Philly.

459
by Darrel Michaud (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:17pm

I think he was targeting someone but just couldn't get the pass off because he had two colts defenders on top of him.

460
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:18pm

Even if a reciever was there, it still is grounding if it hits the ground behind the line of scrimmage, and that was pretty close.

461
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:18pm

seriously, mcnair is just awful. the man needs to retire. i hate to say that about someone so "courageous," but he is a shell of his former self.

462
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:18pm

It's not grounding 'cause his arm was being held.

463
by Chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:18pm

This game has been nearly unwatchable...

464
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:18pm

447,

You're kidding right?!

465
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:19pm

very poetic, larry. ;)

466
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:19pm

"Addai, I'm sorry, Dominic Rodes on the carry."

How many missed calls from Gumbel tonight? Twenty? I'm almost expecting him to start burping like his bro'.

467
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:19pm

Although if the arm is hit while throwing, they usually let it go because the theory is it is hard to be on target to a reciever when the laser rocket arm is pushed at launch.

468
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:20pm

No, I'm not. Aside from the Manning's pool boy, no one can say that Peyton is playing well today.

469
by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:20pm

the refs have no teeth on grounding penalties. seems like every sunday some QB is getting sacked and tosses the ball into the ground 4 feet away and they call it incomplete instead of an 8-yard loss.

470
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:20pm

it's the point where dierdorf treats a simple first down like the immaculate reception.

471
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:21pm

"If Peyton’s thinking, “I don’t care
if this is picked off� then it does
nothing to his head. "
Be serious. P\It that was picked, it could have been run back to the Indy 30. I can see the outcome is not so bad, but that it was intentionally thrown as a "whatever" thow makes no sense. Especially by Manning with that play-off gorilla on his back.

472
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:21pm

How many running plays have lost yardage for the colts today? It seems like 50% or so...

473
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:21pm

I'd say this game's offenses are somewhere between "pathetic" and "vomit inducing", and leaning towards the latter.

474
by Chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

Gumbel's worst was the sideline catch -- the guy caught it and the ref marked it as a catch and the Soup man was still lamenting the incomplete...

This is a dominant defense?

475
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

Rhodes moving the pile! Wow.

476
by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

I
may
have
overcompensated
for
the
destroyed
page-width

476
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

Dahm-in-NEEK? It's Dohm-in-ick, you jackass!

478
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

Dom Rhodes = Jim Brown = Ron Dayne? I don't care, as long as he has about five more 6 yarders in his legs tonight.

479
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

That's one of those occassions when I think the TO is worth more than 5 yards.

480
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:22pm

Anyone predict a headline that would read,
"Colts win defensive struggle?" It
looks like it just might happen. 41 o/u,
hehehe.

481
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

Gee whiz. Timeouts don't grow on trees, ya know Peyton

482
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

Well Vinatieri's probably happy about this game.

483
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

448: I think this forward referencing thing has gotten a little out of hand. I don't think anyone will get to that one.

484
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

486 It's changed a few times. In an interview last off season he was asked about it and said "call me whatever you want." Most of the guys call him Dom, I believe.

485
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

i thought it may have been some kind of TMQ-style haiku for a second there.

486
by stamford (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

Defense wins championship!!

487
by tanner (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:23pm

Ballgame.

488
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

Manning owes Clark a truck of beer

489
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

Awesome catch by Clark...
Can't blame Ivy for that at all

490
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

Clark drops the earlier ball in the 4-4 and then makes this one. Interesting.

491
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

That is why Tommie Frazier's "great run" in the last minute of the Neb-Fla bowl game ten years ago is so bogus. "That's what happens when you try to hold up the runner and strip the ball"

492
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

Hm....that didn't seem like a catch...

493
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:24pm

Nice robot dance by Reggie Wayne.

494
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:25pm

495 It's not exactly a championship for a few more weeks.

495
by MLA (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:25pm

I haven't looked at the stats, but just from watching it seems like the Colts tight ends have come up huge in both of their playoff games.

496
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:25pm

This game is pretty much over.

497
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:25pm

Nice catch.

This is looking like the games at the beginning of the year where the Ravens' D holds it close, McNair sucks, yet he leads a last minute drive for the win. Of course, with a FG here that strategy won't work. But that dominant team of the 2nd half seems to have evaporated.

498
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:26pm

Pick at the goal line was the play of the game. Give crops to Vinatieri for making the kicks, three of them long.

499
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

That was a big-time run by Rhodes

500
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

Oh my! Dominic Rhodes gets the game ball if
the Colts hold onto this.

500
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

You know that every writer is now rooting for another New England-Indy AFC Title game...

502
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

1st down, ballgame.

503
by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

Well, nice capper to a dismal season for the AFC North.

504
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

That first has to be ballgame, as long as they don't fumble
Assuming they don't get sacked out of FG range or anything

505
by Rocco (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

The Colts are winning in the playoffs...with defense?

What in the hell is going on here?

506
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

okay, NOW game over. Then again, with all these picks, a pick-six is not out of the question.

507
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:27pm

That wraps it.

Damn!

508
by Anger...rising (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:28pm

Not that it matters at this point, but they really should have thrown on that play, as the clock was going to stop either way.

509
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:28pm

Running against a tired front seven has a way of making backs look better than they really are. Nice work from Rhodes, but it's a star maker.

510
by Chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:28pm

balt only has one TO - indy will not pass again - or at least shouldnt

511
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:28pm

if you told me the Ravens would hold the Colts to 12 points today, I would have thought it would be an easy victory. Ah well.
But the fact they the Colts just stuffed it down the Ravnes throats to close this game out hurts.

512
by stan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:29pm

497,

Manning made the most incredible pass you'll ever see to a Clark who couldn't get open.

513
by Larry (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:29pm

smj -
Maybe I'm naiive, but I don't think Peyton presses because
of the playoff Gorilla. I think, as smart as he is, he knows
exactly what he's trying to accomplish on each play and knows perfectly well
what outcomes are ok and which would be devastating.

True it could have been run back, but the chances of that throw getting run back
were very small.

Speaking of playoff problems, though, both coaches have really screwed up their
TOs. This game might be over already the way the Ravens have squandered theirs.

514
by Sophandros (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:29pm

So, I guess that all Peyton Manning does is win playoff games, right?

515
by Ken (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:30pm

Wow. I just wish I'd been able to watch this. Colts gutsing out a win in the playoffs. Doesn't happen that often.

516
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:30pm

Holy resurrected Dominic Rhodes, Batman!

517
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:30pm

"There's nothing hotter than an office affair" on the next Without a Trace
I don't remember who was bashing on CBS's programming 300 posts ago, but
they were totally on the money there.

I think Gumble just said "Dominick Rhodes" by accident when he clearly meant Dominique

518
by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:30pm

The Ravens should let the Colts get a free TD. That's their best shot now.

519
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:31pm

are the ravens now officially at the "let's get our strip club plans together" stage of the night?

520
by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:31pm

That wasted timeout on the not-going-to-be-reversed replay challenge would have really come in handy right now, eh Billick?

521
by jeff t (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:31pm

I'm with Stan - that was a better pass by Manning than catch by Clark.

522
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:31pm

Okay, who is this guy, and what did he do with Dominic Rhodes? When was the last time you saw Rhodes break even one tackle?

523
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:31pm

Ok, Baltimore has to let them score this play now, right?

524
by Yaguar (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:32pm

Yes, I'm thinking the Ravens should let us score. But I don't think we're gonna try to do that anymore.

525
by Chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:32pm

block that kick!

526
by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:32pm

The game was NOT in Dallas damnit.

527
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:32pm

One thing I can be happy about...Vinatieri comes an inch closer to possibly getting put in the Hall of Fame, especially if he makes this kick.

Speaking of which, you think Vanderjagt is watching this game at home, swearing constantly?

528
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:33pm

Man, they got a nice rush on that kick, too.

529
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:33pm

Hey, the formatting is fixed! Just as the game ends!

530
by Harris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:33pm

McNair better hide all the sharp implements before Ray-Ray
gets to the locker room.

531
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:33pm

Well, now that it is proven that the Colts can win with Manning stinking up the place, I'd say they have a fair shot next week.

532
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Manning wins a playoff game on the road. How clutch is that!

533
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

I think it would be delicious irony if Manning plays lights out next weekend and his defense reverts to form...

534
by admin :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

I apologize to whoever is using the same IP address as the jerk who signed his comment with my name. That is now blocked and nobody else from that IP will be allowed to post all weekend.

535
by Jim Ryalto (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

nice game. I don't think anyone but balt. fans wanted to see more ravens football in the postseason.

536
by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

ouch

537
by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Injury to insult

538
by zzyzx (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Man, what a way for the game to end...

538
by Ken (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

529. And all the numbering goes out of sequence!

540
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

-Game Over-

541
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Exclamation point!

542
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

nice hands by mathis to grab a fumble in garbage time.

543
by Moridin (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Damn, could've had a defensive TD there.

544
by Tarrant (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

Man. You have to figure that whatever the Colts paid for Vinatieri, they're figuring he would have been worth twice that right now.

545
by Robert (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

"The Ravens had not lost a playoff game after a bye week since 2001!" Gumbel says, amazed. What the HELL kind of statistic is that? How many playoff games have they had after a bye since 2001??

546
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:35pm

My goodness McNair...way to add insult to injury. That's gotta rub salt in thier wounds.

547
by B (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:36pm

Second year in a row where the #1 team by DVOA loses at home in the divisional round, and both times Indy was involved. So, since Indy won despite a poor offensive performance, does that make Manning a "winner" or a "game manager"?

548
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:36pm

Looks like some posts disappeared.

This just hurts raw, man. We had every opportunity to beat these guys, and couldn't do it. No "coulda, woulda, shoulda," just didn't. Man, that sucks.

549
by joel in providence (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:37pm

just ugly. just complete offensive incompetence on the part of baltimore.

550
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:38pm

The Cardinals have never lost a playoff game after a bye week. That probably goes for the Lions too.

551
by Todd (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:38pm

INDY WINS INDY WINS INDY WINS
THE COLTS HAVE DONE IT

552
by oljb (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:38pm

Oh well. Baltimore doesn't really have any business sticking it to Indianapolis for stealing the Colts since they subsequently stole the Browns.

553
by johnt (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:39pm

The best part of this game is anticipating the giant heaping serving of crow coming to Shannon Sharpe. Mmmmmm, tasty.

554
by Brian (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:39pm

Well, now that the Bears have finished, I'm excited to see the Colts game tomorrow.

Wait, this *was* the Colts game? 14 points allowed in 2 games by the D, QB with 1 TD and 5 INTs? I disbelieve.

555
by LnGrrrR (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:40pm

Which Indy player has the "NFL Offense" voodoo doll?

556
by Zac (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:41pm

If the Colts win the Super Bowl, Vinatieri becomes even more of a legend. Like Schilling for the Red Sox.

557
by Dave Brude (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:41pm

Peyton Manning's DPAR I'm guessing is about in the 0-3 range because of defensive adjustments.

558
by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:42pm

Anyone else think tomorrow's SD-NE game is the "Real Super Bowl?" Of course, it will probably be a barking dog, the Colts will beat the winner of that game, and the NFC champion will win the Super Bowl. But for now, the "Real Super Bowl" cliche lives.

559
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:43pm

I think Vinatieri deserves a HOF spot no matter what he does the remainder of his career. That game-tying kick in the snow against Oakland (Tuck Game) is still the best pressure kick I've ever seen. (The bomb against the Rams was nifty too, but when the game is already tied there's a net you're working with.)

560
by hector (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:44pm

I love that NFL Shop ad where the family seems unashamed to be wearing Brad Johnson and Troy Williamson replica jerseys. (30-foot Inflatable Viking not for sale.)

561
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:45pm

All Payton Manning does is win playoff games!

562
by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:45pm

2 Points/Questions

1. Why did the ravens just stop running in the first half?

2. McNair either has really poor timing, or is really innacurate. It looked like every pass he threw over the middle had a chance of being picked off.

563
by Marko (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:46pm

Agreed that Vinatieri belongs in the Hall of Fame. Wouldn't it be hilarious if he asked Vanderjagt to give the speech introducing him at the Hall?

564
by Kuato (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:47pm

The AFC Home teams have a less than sterling record in the Division round and a lot of that is because of the Colts.

Since 95 they have beaten 3 home teams in the division round (KC in 95, KC in 03, and now Balt) and have gotten beatenn by the road team twice (Tenn in 2000, Pitt in 2005).

565
by Dan R. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:48pm

Every day the Colts play is opposite day.

566
by Becephalus (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:48pm

Seriously I said this 2 weeks ago and I'll say it again. I really really really want Manning to have a horrible playoff run, and his team to win the superbowl.

And then the last outliers can finally declare him the best QB ever. Because you know, without a ring he was worthless.

567
by Rich Conley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:49pm

my last post I meant "why did the ravens stop running in the SECOND half"

568
by Keith Hernandez (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:52pm

I wish I was Adam Vinatieri

569
by Dan R. (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:56pm

Oh, and this further cements my hate for B'more. Just when I think I know something about their offense they pull the ole switcheroo. Or is it the goose and the gander?

Pre-season I think their O's going to be average. Their early season play confirms this.

And then they go on a tear to finish the season with a very nice looking offense. "The Ravens have a great D and a good looking O," I say.

And then the old Ravens, the offensively inept Ravens take the field and put up 6 against the Colts.

You're killin', Brian Billick.

570
by Dan Riley (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:03pm

This one should go into a time capsule for the day a few years from now when we'll be watching McNair and Manning getting waved home to Canton while Vinatieri's fate is relegated to an FO thread about whether a kicker should even be allowed to step FOOT into the HOF.

571
by TFG (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:04pm

Why is everyone so surprised at the nature of the outcome?

1. Manning played to playoff form, or at least vs-#1-defense form, while McNair is really a bit of a retread at this point - not so scary to a defense. 2. The Colts hadn't played a low-offense PO game in....one whole week. 3. Wasn't the whole "Colts can't stop the run" thing kind of a rope-a-dope anyway? In the PO's you need to pass - and pass well - to win.

It would have been higher-scoring if more picks had been thrown. Thems the breaks. You can't fault both QBs for not trying.

572
by Bobman (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:05pm

Becephalus,

LMAO. I think Manning has to mostly stink up the SB, then throw the winning TD in a 7-0 game with time expiring to get the MVP, (despite his 34% completions and 4 INTs). Because without the Lombardi AND the MVP award, he's really just a wannabe.

573
by Sid (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:08pm

Both QBs had poor games, but Captain Checkdown was worse, and that's what ultimately led to the Indy victory.

574
by Paulo Sanchotene, Brazil (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:20pm

Is Adam Vinatieri "Mr. January"?

575
by The Jerricho Road (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:29pm

From the FO preview:

"The Colts may stop Jamal Lewis like they stopped Larry Johnson, but unless Steve McNair chokes, the Ravens should move on."

LOL...McNair = overrated, and has been for a long time. (i.e. Rush is an idiot, but he was right)

576
by sonofbrocklanders (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:32pm

peyton manning just wins games

577
by mikeabbot (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:33pm

The legend of the mighty colt defense grows. They win despite a QB that keeps throwing the ball away ;)

578
by BillWallace (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:44pm

1) Colts got lucky
2) I'm glad the Colts got lucky, it probably evens out some stuff that's happened to them in the past
3) It's too bad the ref screwed up that Ed Reed lateral on the INT, but otherwise the refs were good.
4) There's more to the Colts defense then just bad game planning by the offenses.
5) Ed Reed is a bad man

579
by Chris (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:57pm

Colts fan here. I know it is thin gruel to Ravens fans, but that is the best defense I have seen. Ed Reed is incredible. Teams have been trying to take away the deep ball against the Colts all year. The Ravens did that today, but also took away all the underneath stuff. The Ravens have amazing linebackers.

So, I'm guessing that this game will be AGS this week. After last week, the conclusion was that the defense was a flash in the pan. I wonder if that will be the same conclusion after two data points? Is it the Bob Sanders effect?

580
by calig23 (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:59pm

Re:#545

That's a really stupid stat. The Ravens have never had a bye week prior to this season. They made the playoffs in 2000, 2001, and 2003, but played in the Wild Card round every single time.

581
by slo-mo-joe (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 11:00pm

I don't know if one can say it was definitely McNair choking vs. the Colts D playing a really great game again. I don't like the Colts, but I am impressed. Clearly, Sanders is the heart and sould of that unit, and the fact that he missed so many games in retrospect was probbaly the reason why they were so bad in the regular season.
A week ago, a SD-Colts final would have been seen as a certain shoot-out. Now, I think the Colts would have the edge if Manning plays like himself, and not like Playoff Peyton.

582
by John (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 11:23pm

#575: Uh, I think Rush was talking about McNabb, not McNair.

Not that I paid much attention.

583
by TracingError (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 11:28pm

#555 Let me know when the Colts have actually played an "NFL offense".

I have to say, before the year I looked at the career paths of McNair and Brunell and decided the former would be no better than the latter with his second team. I didn't see the Ravens all year, but I feel vindicated.

584
by Erithtotl (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 12:16am

Please, please, no one give the Colts defense any credit. I don't think I've ever heard the term 'offensive incompetence' used more than in the last two weeks against the Colts. If any other playoff team had had the same results, people would be calling it a 'dominant defensive performance'.

The implication seems to be that if KC and Baltimore were playing on an empty field they would have been falling after 2 yard runs and throwing poor passes as well. Neither team was an offensive juggernaught, but if you can ignore for just a moment the poor performance of the D for much of the season, realize the lineup is very similar to last year when they were an average, and sometimes even good defense. It's time to consider that maybe, just maybe, the Colts ARE capable of playing solid D, especially when they're not starting their #5 and #6 safeties due to injury, as they were forced to do much of the final month of the season.

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by NY expat (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 1:04am

Kudos to Ben! (#8)

It did seem like the Indy D was missing a lot of first attempts at tackles, but had enough guys pursuing to avoid giving up too much yardage.

re: #438 Manning certainly didn't have a great game, but the Colts did convert 8 of 19 3rd downs vs. 2 of 11 for the Ravens. 9 of Manning's passes were for first downs vs. 6 of McNair's. And Manning was playing against a much better defense than McNair :)

re: #545 It would be nice if Gumbel had filtered that out, but that's gotta be a producer sticking that stat in front of him to read.

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by Adam (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 1:22am

581. I would call McNair's goaline INT a choke. Inexplicably forced the ball into coverage. Or maybe he just sucks.

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 1:32am

574: Vinitieri's playoff mojo trumps Manning's chokiness.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:18am

584 Stick with what works, man. Indy was barely able to tie their own shoes defensively the past two weeks and won only because the other guys were worse. Next week, even at home, they should be solid 7 pt underdogs. They don't deserve to be on the same field with TEAM NAME HERE.

Maybe they need to read that crap to get motivated? Who knows, but so far the results are fine by me.

One thing I really like is that they're undefeated in their past 10 prime time (night) games and not sure when next week's is slated, but it might be nighttime. It's surely a national game, like the past two, and so is the SB.

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by The Ninjalectual (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:28am

Did anyone else hear the announcer say, "Jamal Lewis was high on that block..." I'm sure he was. High on cocaine.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 3:03am

This is interesting (at least to me): Until Romo's success, I had never heard of the 5 cinderella games for new talented QBs because there is limited film on them, and once they have that many games in the can, other D's can pick apart their tenedncies. (Or to use Bill P's phrase, "put away the annointing oil.")

But does that hold for Indy's D? What games do BB or Marty analyze to prep for Indy? The last two are just so different from the first 16 and might not give them enough to go on. Clearly DVOA doesn't know what to do with the Colts (the reverse of last year) and maybe the opponents won't either. I'm hoping.

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by NF (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 5:35am

The Colts defense still sucks. Its just that Brian Billick, Jamal Lewis, and the Ancient One suck worse, especially when playing someone who is as fundamentally sound on defense theory as Tony Dungy.

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by Bruce Anderson (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 9:17am

Full disclosure, Baltimore homer: OHMYGOD!!?!?

What a truly pathetic example of playcalling by the offensive guru, Brian Billick. He played SUCH a conservative game, it was clear he was playing not to loose. He was playing "don't blame me, blame the players" ball. No attempt to stick with a running game, no real attempt to try play action, extremely few downfield pass attempts. AAAHHHHHRRRRRGGGG!!!!!!!

Bruce

It seems as if Rex Ryan spent the past week designing the defensive gameplan that would put the offense into a position to win (one that actually worked fairly well) yet the offensive coordinator was busy drinking his own purple punch and making SuperBowl plans.

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by smashmouth football (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 12:26pm

Ravens fan here.

This game hurt so much I think they'll have to send me to Sheppard-Pratt.

I thought the Ravens D played a phenomenal game, basically shutting down the best offense in the NFL. But our offense clearly is not ready for prime time.

And as much as it pains me to say it, the Indianapolis Irsays deserve credit. I didn't think their D was capable of such toughness.

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 12:41pm

Of course, the vast majority of the credit for today's win goes to the COLTS DEFENSE (4 more takeaways, 6 points allowed, 2 of 11 3rd down conversions) & to the Special Teams (much improved kick coverage & good ol' #4!). What more can I say besides, WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!

Granted, the ball did bounce the Colts' way most of the day-- 3 fumbles, 0 fumbles lost...several dropped INT's by Balt...a challenge overturned...a made FG sliding over the crossbar, Reed being ruled OB after his 2nd INT, etc. But when the football gods smile upon you, you simply say "THANK YOU!" & keep playing hard.

The offense did have some bright spots too.
- 1st drive: 11 plays, 49 yards, FG. Took some energy away from the crowd.
- 5th drive: Took over on their own 1. 13 plays, 65 yds, 6 minutes, FG.
- 1st drive of 2nd half: Kept the momentum going in the 2nd half with a 9 play, 54 yd drive, FG.
- Final drive: THREE critical 3rd down conversions-- 6 yd run by Rhodes on 3rd & 2, 14 yd pinpoint pass to Clark on 3rd & 5, 5 yd run by Rhodes on 3rd & 4. THAT DRIVE SHOWED THAT THIS IS NOT A WIMPY FINESSE TEAM. 11 rushes, only 1 pass, game-clinching FG, 7:16 taken off of the clock!!! (THE OFFENSE HAD TO WORK THEIR BUTTS OFF ON THOSE 4 SCORING DRIVES!)
- 8 of 19 3rd down conversion success (42%) against a Ravens D that allowed only 29% success during the regular season.
As for Manning, the 1st INT was stupid. Several other near-INT's were due to poor decisions by Manning. However, I didn't mind that 2nd INT at all...it was 3rd & 17 on his own 12 so that was just as good as a long punt.

Frankly, the one play by Manning that pissed me off the most was his final pass of the 1st half. 3rd & 6 from midfield. Moorehead got wide open behind the DB's. Even if there happened to be a Safety coming over, an INT on that deep ball would have been just fine since it was 3rd down. So for crissakes, give your receiver a chance to catch the ball by throwing it in bounds!!! If he makes a good throw on that play, the Colts are up 16-3 going into the half which makes this win a whole lot easier. When you are going up against a top-notch D like the Ravens, you have to take advantage of those rare opportunities.

But for all of those haters who are saying that "the Colts are winning in spite of Peyton Manning", here is what is important about these past two games:
- Versus KC: After his 3rd INT, Manning (finally) kept his composure in the playoffs...he went 9 for 9 on the next 2 drives & led the Colts to 2 TD's. Game over.
- Versus Balt: In this defensive battle, each team had 6 possessions into the opponent's territory.
Colts: FG, FG, FG, FG, Punt, FG. 5 of 6 ended in scores. When they got down there, Peyton did not force any passes & give points away!!!!!
Ravens: Punt, FG, INT, Punt, FG, INT. Only 2 of 6 trips into Colts territory ended in scores.
So go ahead & say what you want about Manning's "two lousy games". Let's compare the two QB's today.
Who had to play against the toughest D in the league? Manning.
Who managed the game well by leading his offense to points when they got into enemy territory? Manning.
Who threw a pick inside the 5 & another on the other side of the 50? McNair.
Which QB led his team to 8 of 19 3rd down conversions? Manning.
Which QB went 2 for 11 on 3rd down? McNair.
So which QB deserved to win today? Peyton Manning.

And for those naysayers who still give no credit to the Colts D because they played lousy unimaginative offenses, I give you this-- KC averaged 20.7 ppg (15th best), Balt averaged 22.1 ppg (12th best).

Those offenses had a good amount of success in the regular season. Maybe they got stuffed in the playoffs simply because the Colts D stepped up & kicked their butts.

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by stan (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 3:56pm

Scott,

When a QB sees a receiver open on go route near the sideline, he throws the ball to his outside shoulder. The QB only has a split second to see the man and throw the ball. He doesn't calibrate the sidelines, etc. He sees the receiver and throws to his outside shoulder.

Manning threw it right where he was supposed to throw the ball. Morehead has to run the route off the sideline by enough of a margin to have the ball on his shoulder be in bounds.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:10pm

Stat of the game.

5 fumbles:
4 recovered by the Colts
1 out of bounds Colts ball

The fumble at the end of the game didn't really matter, but if the other 4 had been split 50/50, it would have been a different game.

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by Scott P. (not verified) :: Mon, 01/15/2007 - 1:28am

That's bull, Stan. The QB sees the receiver & the sideline. He's got to keep the ball in bounds & give Moorehead a chance.

Don't get me wrong, I like it when Peyton errs on the conservative side...but an INT in that situation is ok so he's got to keep the ball in bounds.

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Tue, 01/16/2007 - 5:05am

Scott and Stan,
How far OB was the ball to Emory, er, Aaron Morehead?

My impression is that it was in-bounds but, well, too close for a human body running all-out, feet, a ball, and a sideline to all fit in the picture. Say that ball, for pragmatic physical purposes has to be two feet or more in bounds. A good throw, roughly, then is 40 yards long and within a range of 2-4 feet in bounds (the "good zone" is a very long, skinny,isosceles triangle). Too far out and it's OB (but "safe" and too far IB and it's in danger of being picked off (or caught--say a 75% chance of either).

So three things can happen--1 gets you an INC, one gets you a 75% chance of a catch, and one gets you a 75%x50% chance of a catch and a 75%x50% chance of an INT. Manning threw it more or less on the borderline of the good and safe zones, away from the danger zone (where a tall guy like Morehead stands a pretty good chance of coming down with it anyway).

And this one was just 6 inches in bounds. Let's draw that safe zone full-scale on a big sheet of paper here: That error is about 1.25% off target (18 inches in 40 yards or 1,440 inches). Now in the middle of the field, a WR can adjust, but there is no adjusting OB. Still though, 1 percent off and we're griping? This guy must be pretty good for us to apply those standards, as 300 lb men are running as fast as horses in his direction, trying to dismember him.

IMO, the pass was not perfect, but closer than any average NFL QB gets 5 times out of ten, and given ten shots, I bet Manning gets it right on the money seven times out of ten. We just saw one of his slight misses.

Morehead was open enough when the ball finally came down that it could have been safe anywhere in his vicinity, but that's a big risk since PM didn't have time to survey the whole field and all the DBs. I'm okay with it.

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by FIRE BILLICK (not verified) :: Mon, 01/29/2007 - 3:08pm

FIRE BILLICK!!! FIRE BILLICK!!! FIRE BILLICK!!! FIRE BILLICK!!!

NO MORE HORSESHIT GAMEPLANS!!! NO MORE HORSESHIT GAMEPLANS!!! NO MORE HORSESHIT GAMEPLANS!!! NO MORE HORSESHIT GAMEPLANS!!!

SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED!!! SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED!!! SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED!!! SHOULD BE UNDEFEATED!!!

The only way that the Ravens don't go undefeated and win Super Bowl XLII is if Billick screws it up again. That's why its so important to fire Billick.