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Playoff Game Discussion: NE-SD

This thread is for discussion of action on the field before, during, and after the second-round playoff game between New England and San Diego. Each game this year will get its own discussion thread, so please discuss the other games in those specific threads.


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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Wed, 01/10/2007 - 10:16pm

Harrison has been announced as "out".

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by Charger Charlie (not verified) :: Thu, 01/11/2007 - 6:32am

THE CHARGERS ROCK!!!

WE ARE GITTIN' AFTER IT BABY!!!

WE'RE #1 AND WILL PROVE IT ON FEBUARY 4th!!!!!!!!

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by B (not verified) :: Thu, 01/11/2007 - 3:20pm

#2: Beautiful. Please keep posting. Be sure to chime in about how DVOA under-rates the Chargers.

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by AlexDL (not verified) :: Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:38pm

Dear Charger Charlie,
I believe your logic is faulty. Clearly the Chargers are a very good team, especially on offense as is shown by their #2 ranking in offensive DVOA, trailing only the powerful Colts. However, you should worry about your team's middle of the road performance on defense, #14 ranked according to DVOA. I believe the Patriots team, while not "great" in any one facet of the game are solidly good in every category, will be able to assemble several consistent scoring drives that will render the Chargers fancy pass-rush moot. Have a pleasant evening.

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by Mahercor (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 12:38am

The Patriots are the most physicsl team in the league. Combined with the Chargers shody tackling and Porous secondary. Nevermind a first time QB. The Charger don't have a chance. The Pats defence is going to smack Tomlinson in that new "Glass Jaw" he got in the Chiefs game an "Down goes Frazier". Don't ever underestimate the Patriots, they like to give concussions not get them, NFL Statistics confirms it.

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by Mike Shanahan (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 4:42am

I just wonder if the commenting on future posts running gag will beat the dead horse here. Because #30, you're way off.

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by Charger Charlie (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 5:05am

CHARGER CHARLIE IN THE HIZZ-OUSE!!!

Let me break it down for y'all: New England's defensive line can play 2 gap, defeat their blocks, do everything right, and LT can still make them miss at the line, thus eliminating negative plays. He's the only NFL running back who can consistently turn "no gain" into 4-5 yard gains. And those are the plays when the defense has called the right scheme.

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by AlexDL (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 11:57am

RE: #7
But does LDT have the proper swagger? Clearly, he is lacking in swagger, isn't he?
Although Rivers is a great QB because all he does is win. Right?

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by B (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 12:19pm

7: LdT's success rate: 49%
M. Turner's success rate: 55%
I'm gonna have to go with "no" on your declaration that LdT is unstoppable.
5: If New England is the most physical team in the league, how come they keep giving up long gains on missed tackles? (See, the Jets game, Titans game, Jaguars game, etc)

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by Jonathan (not verified) :: Fri, 01/12/2007 - 7:34pm

I'm stoked at the game in general, but I have a funny idea: what happens if both offenses crap bricks on the field? (Ouch...)

But seriously, would a 10-6 victory by either team be a serious letdown what with all the hype surrounding this game?

If both teams play their best, I do feel like the Chargers will win....but then, I've been aching for a playoff victory since I was 11, so....

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by mactbone (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 1:01am

Re 10:
So... you're 21 or 22? Don't tease the old folks about playoff wins - there are some Lions and Cardinals fans that would switch places with you.

Re 88:
Oh c'mon, the refs call that 9/10 times, it's not a bad call.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 1:12am

There are some rumors buzzing around Boston that Bruschi will be retiring when the season is over. At least one source is former Pats' TE Russ Francis's radio show.

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 4:59pm

While the Chargers are rightfully favored, I can't believe NBC's Tom Curran saying (at least on Boston radio) that it would be an upset on a par with the Pats upsetting the Rams in SBXXXVI. Come on.

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by sippican (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 5:22pm

Pats Fan: Russ Francis has a radio show?

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 7:00pm

Re: #14

Yeah. On 890AM (a.k.a. worst signal in creation)

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by PatsFan (not verified) :: Sat, 01/13/2007 - 10:19pm

Admit it, Aaron -- you're now rooting for SD to win tomorrow so that you don't have to worry about FO's servers crashing while serving The Thread Which Cannot be Named.

:)

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by sippican (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:47am

How can anyone in NE get that signal with 880WINS out of New York right next to it?

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by Bobman (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:57am

16 Don't worry, if the Pats win, THIS thread will devolve into the 2nd Thread That Shall Not Be Named.

But yeah, there's a good chance that other one will look like Norm Peterson's bar tab on Cheers (in one episode it was a stack of greenbar printer paper about one foot thick) if printed out. And that will double after the game. Paulette will return after a few years absense to remind me that "It's all about Vinces" as she once said and if Indy loses, I'll just weep into my keyboard... like every other January.

Go Pats. See ya in Indy for a rousing 9-6 game.

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by Scott C. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 3:56am

#16

Fans from 28 other teams will just close their eyes, stick their fingers in their ears, and yell out "na na na nana naaaaa! I can't hear you na na na na!" for a week straight until its over when they can get back to watching the NFL and the Super Bowl in peace.

Fans of the Saints and Bears/Hawks will be exposed to The Topic and as a result question their faith in the sport.

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by Dan R. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:54am

Like everyone else, I can't help but think "Wow, this a pretty freaking good matchup."

Aside from that, I think:

That it's too bad Rodney Harrison is out. I want to see the best teams with their best players. And Rodney's not only a great piece in that Pat D, but he played for the Chargers for a long time. Oh well. I'm putting his injury @ #3 on the big board of potential mainstream media reasons for the loss. I'm including both teams here, and although the Chargers are rightly favored, #1 and 2 apply to a Bolt loss: A Marty Meltdown and a Phil Rivers 'rookie' collapse. I'd bump the Harrison injury to #2, but god knows the media loves the inexperienced QB angle, especially with a so-called witch Belichick gunning for him.

Oh, and one more thought. The only thing more disgusting/hilarious than Peyton Manning getting a ring on the back of his defense and get all the credit would be Peyton Manning riding the defense in every game but the AFC Championship, where he throws for 450 and 4 tds/0 ints yards against a banged up Pats secondary. You know why it would be so awful? Because that Pats game would make it impossible to convince any major sportswriter to share the credit to the Colts D, even though he was mediocre to bad in all but that game. Oh, and as someone else pointed out in another thread, the reason it would be disgusting in the first place is because we've all been saying that Peyton doesn't need to drag a bad defense to a Superbowl to prove himself, and so for him to actually be carried by his defense and then anointed as a HoFer QB by the press, more of the same f*cked up logic, would really be ironic. We got what we wanted, but we had to get it their way.

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by RCH (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 10:22am

After the Colts win the SD/NE game looms as the de facto Super Bowl.

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by Ilanin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 10:42am

No it doesn't, 21. I agree that the Colts match up terribly against both these teams, but they've already beaten the Patriots once this year, so it isn't reasonable to dismiss their chances so glibly. The Indianapolis victory was achieved in a manner I would not expect to see repeated, but that doesn't mean they can't win again. From a roster perspective, NE have more injuries than they did then, too.

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by young curmudgeon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 11:00am

Re 21, 22: Just as I predicted in the BAL-IND thread, post 588.

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by Gerry (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 11:56am

I thought WINS was 1010?

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by Gerry (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 11:57am

Thought so. 880 is WCBS.

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by sippican (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 12:23pm

Gerry- Yeah, my bad. But WCBS is even worse, now that I think of it. Many jigawatts of NY broadcast detritus.

I can get it on my toaster and my fillings.

Russ Francis was easier to find when he was double covered.

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by el plaga (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 1:23pm

too many turnovers that first pats-colts doomed the pats. That shouldn't happen again unless evil kevin faulk shows up or/and brady thinks "oh yeah ben watson can beat bob sanders up the seam for a 25 yd pass."

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:02pm

I'm setting the over-under on comments for this thread at 779

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by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:15pm

I'll take the under. I'm thinking closer to 650.
Go Patriots!

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by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:44pm

I actually don't post during games I have a rooting interest in, so I won't be artificially inflating the post numbers on this one. You all may want to factor that into your predictions.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:46pm

Why not? I always root for one team or the other in every game, so I just always post. In the interest of full disclosure, I'm pulling against the Pats in this one, but I won't be that upset if either team wins.

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by Pat on the back (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:51pm

31,
I'm too busy throwing shit at the Tv and telling my fiancee how the ref is an idiot. I don't type well when I'm in a tizzy.

33
by Alex DL (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 3:46pm

Pat OTB...if your not posting, I revise my over/under to 250+/-

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by throughthelookingglass (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 4:39pm

I'll be rooting for the Chargers for two reasons. Firstly, the electric blue DVOA graph in the game previews, and secondly I'd like to be able to access this site in a week...

Should be a great game, though. It's too bad that San Diego is portrayed as having far superior talent to New England, with NE's 'mojo' narrowing the gap. If the Chargers lose because the Patriots were more talented, I don't want to have to hear about what a choker Marty is.

I do think #88 has a valid point.

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by John (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:27pm

Where can I get a Diet Pepsi, here in My Country?

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by Richie (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:28pm

Let's just hope that someone brings Marty and Philip Rivers a Diet Pepsi or else there's gonna be trouble...

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:29pm

35: San Deigo, apparently.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:29pm

This game has a lot to live up to, as does this thread...

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:31pm

34: I agree. If the Chargers lose, the stories will be about Marty and Rivers choking and Brady and Belichick being clutch. As a Charger fan, I can take the Patriots winning the game and being the better team, but the stories if they do win will drive me crazy.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:35pm

Man, I dislike Shannon Sharpe

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:38pm

Hey, isn't there supposed to be a game on at 4:30?

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:39pm

Underdogs (all road teams) 3-0 vs. the spread so far...this league is crazy.

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by black (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:43pm

wow, cbs playing up the Patriots mvp shut downs, nice angle.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:43pm

Love the Magic Beans intro. And shouldn't we wait until the decade's a bit more, you know, over, before declaring the Patriots the "Team of the Decade"? Still have 4 more Super Bowls to hand out here, ya know.

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by hector (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:45pm

Can Bill Simmons go 0-4? I'm excited to find out.

I agree that Shannon Sharpe is *terrible.*

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:45pm

Did Nantz just call Simms "Earl Simms"?

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:46pm

I wonder if Merriman cycled up for the game today.

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by Kthulhu (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:46pm

Isn't it a bit ironic that the Sony "Brought to you in HD" commercial isn't shown in HD?

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:47pm

That NFC game was a nice appetizer for the main course.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:47pm

Tomlinson for 11. Not a good way for the Pats to start the game if they way want to shut him down

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:48pm

This weekend a year ago Bill Simmons went 1-3. He then wrote a column where he claimed the Playoff Manifesto was dead, because he took it behind the woodshed and slew it to smithereens.

And he's got the pats in this game. Not a great omen for New England

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:49pm

A man could make a fortune picking the exact opposite of Billy Simms. I should try

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:49pm

Hi. I'm an announcer with a week to prepare for a game. On the very first play I'm already stumbling over the pronunciations of non-obscure player names. What else am I working on during the week, exactly?

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:50pm

53: Well, you have all those special "dinners" with the coaches.

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:50pm

According to my (vastly inferior) stats, the Pats s/b 2.5 dogs, so that gives them a decent chance of winning.

However, I expect this game to be a blowout, one way or the other. After two close NFC games, I think NE blows out SD, but we'll see.

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by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:50pm

Wonder if the Pats will use much 4-3, as I recall they used it to good effect against the Steelers in the AFC CG 2 years ago. (Assuming that their strategy of conceding the 1st 80 yards of the field might not work today.)

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:51pm

And meetings with players, where you talk about their families, their pregame rituals, eating habits, etc.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:51pm

Wow. Looked like a catch and fumble to me. Probably should've let that play go a bit so they could challenge on the recovery.

How is catching it, taking a few steps, and starting to turn upfield not a "football move"? What the hell is a football move?

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:53pm

That was SO a fumble.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:54pm

I thought I heard a whistle, write when contact was made... I thought they were blowing it dead for forward progress or something.

Maybe I heard something from the stands though.

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:54pm

So, what happens when the "Armed and Famous" guys arrest a real celebrity?

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:54pm

I was really hoping someone would say "The announcers spend all their time breaking down game film and strategy, and learning about techniques, so they can give the best possible description of the action on the field." Then we could all have a good laugh.

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

How many interceptions have been dropped today? Five now?

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

oh, clinton hart, how do you miss that gift

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

Jump ball - arrow to NE.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

I'm not sure San Diego are good enough to turn down presents like that one.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

61: That's why they filmed it in Muncie, IN, as far away from celebrity as you can get. Only if one of the Colts or Pacers wander out that way, or maybe if Letterman heads to the area for some reason.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

Ugh, brady is back to overthrowing recievers over the middle.

Not a good sign.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:56pm

Wow, that ball should have been intercepted TWICE. Don't see that often.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:57pm

Seriously, how did he drop that? That took effort to screw up there.

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by JPS (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:57pm

The Pats punter, Sauerbrun -- wasn't he the one who got cut by the Broncos after a 4-game suspension? Now he's in the playoffs and the Broncos aren't.

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by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:57pm

Just finished watching the Chicago-Seattle game on Sky+ to avoid the adverts....damn. Was really hoping for the Bears to lose. At least the nightmare scenario of a Baltimore-Chicago Superbowl has gone. As long as the Saints can beat Chicago and the winner of this game beats the Colts, I don't mind who wins the Superbowl.
On an esoteric note for UK viewers, I was just talking with a mate of mine and we decided that if we really tried, we still couldn't come up with a more shit presenting team than Sky have managed for this evening.
Revenue question : does the home team keep all the money from ticket sales?

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:57pm

Wow. I have no idea how you drop that. Tipped twice, but you have a good read on where it's going. It's nice and slow. You don't have to move at all. And yet...

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by ChrisV (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:58pm

ARGH. San Diego secondary have been dropping sure interceptions all season, and they continue doing it now.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:58pm

Well, they get the ball at the fifty, so the dropped pick may or may not cost them a lot, but the Patriots aren't always going to miss converting on third down

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:58pm

Very clutch move by Brady making the defender drop the gift pick. It's clearly some kind of spin he put on the ball, so it would be impossible to catch after it's deflected. I call it "clutch spin", the same spin you find on the elusive "clutch quark". ManningLabs, Inc has been searching for clutch quarks for over a decade, but so far they only find the twin, "choke quark".

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:59pm

Okay, so each team has given away an easy turnover in the first 4 minutes...Im excited.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:59pm

#72

Yes they could. We could have Scott McCready and Huggy Bear...

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 6:59pm

71- Yep. Carolina punter before that. He's gotten the better end of the deal, but he will forever live in my heart for forcing a fumble on a return last year against the Pats

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:00pm

Two drops by Parker.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:01pm

Chad Scott is surprisingly not acting like Human Toast today.

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by rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:01pm

If the Chargers were wearing powder-blue i bet they wouldn't be dropping passes and interceptions.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:01pm

Lousy choker Schottenheimer forgot to tell his players to catch the ball today. Lack of preparation like that is his real downfall.

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by T. Romo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:01pm

I told you the ball was too slick!

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:02pm

HEEEEEEESSSSS BAAAACCCKKK

Long live the King

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:02pm

Scifres and Plackenmeier, a punting masterclass. If only their names weren't so difficult to spell.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:03pm

Does it seem like the King takes an awful long time to get in there, since he's unblocked and all? Maybe he's just got deceptive speed, but it's just hidden by his flowing cape and frightening mask instead of plain whiteness.

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by D.Bledsoe (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:04pm

#84
No, you just suck! With me starting we would've won!

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:04pm

To answer you question, Paul:

Ticket revenue is split 60-40, the larger share going to the home team.

Anyone watching the game not on a .com feed want to explain why Troy Brown keeps fair catching punts inside his 10?

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:05pm

Amateur hour in the playclock booth

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:05pm

Of course, I remember when Art Modell and Bill Belichik promised Cleveland fans that when Cleveland built a new stadium, that Modell and Belichik would bring back Superbowls. They kept their end of the deal, so I don't understand why Cleveland fans are upset.

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:05pm

This playclock is killing the crowd..

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by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:05pm

If you don't believe in Jedi mind tricks, then you didn't see what Tom Brady did to make the Chargers drop an interception twice. That can only be done when subjected to a jedi mind trick.

I am really hoping for a classic in this game, the early game was a great game. But so far, both teams are playing sloppy. But, it's early, we have time.

102: you're such a homer, your opinion doesn't really even count. Please use DVOA at least occasionally when making your points... Geez...

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:06pm

89: Cause he doesn't want to get killed. Also the second one was Faulk, not Brown.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:06pm

Wow, Matt light just destroyed Merriman on that play.

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by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:06pm

Re 72
Too close to call. How can Sky have not employed Mike Carlson?

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:07pm

And in responce, merriman blows by Light.

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:07pm

Clearly the problem is that not enough of these players are heroic steroid-users like Mr. Merriman.

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:07pm

Tom Kelso: The first one was a good decision, cause he had two guys behind him ready to down the ball, but the second one was pretty dumb.

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by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:07pm

Paul in UK - did you just reply to yourself? Just curious...

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:07pm

89

He's kickin knuckleballs that go straight up and down, so the coverage team is waiting as the ball comes down. If the returner didn't fair catch them, they'd probably get downed even closer to the goal line.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:08pm

Between Merriman and Sauerbrun it's the Roids Bowl.

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by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:08pm

Who is the Sky presenting team for tonight? Their normal team is bad enough. I would usually be watching but my lectures got moved to 9am on a Monday morning and if I go out to the pub to watch I won't get home until half past 1. Damn it.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:08pm

What the hell is Simms talking about with Merriman? And how can you go on about his surprising power without mentioning the chemical assist he gets? Think he'd get fired for throwing out "of course he's stronger than you'd expect, otherwise he needs to get some better roids"?

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by hector (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:09pm

It's a game of shadows out there.

Are players and coaches put in that Diet Pepsi ad without their consent, or are they reimbursed for it?

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:09pm

Paul, "where's Mike Carlson?" is a question I ask every Sunday. Carlson, Shaun Gayle and Kevin Cadle hosting the show would be awesome.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:09pm

104- He might get fired, but he'd gain my respect. Okay, that might not be a fair trade-off.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:10pm

Thanks for the info -- the benefits of watching live.

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by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:10pm

Woah I can get this on a .com feed? Where? Does it work for macs?

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by ChrisV (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:10pm

Glad to see Pats fans have already given up on the game. They are already bitching about Merriman.

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by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:11pm

Re 100
Whoops....re 78. Should probably put a cork in the Bordeaux but it's the only way I can watch Sky's studio crew.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:11pm

110

You're the only person I see whining at this point.

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by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:11pm

110: Bitching? The guy used steroids and got caught. It's not like we're making stuff up here.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:11pm

Alright, Rivers has no ability when running/throwing against the grain

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:12pm

Since Reebok has such strong guidelines on what coaches can wear on the sidelines, how come they allow Belichick to cut off his sleeves on his hoody?

I mean, he looked like a slob before, but now it's just ridiculous

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by JPS (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:12pm

Paul in UK, do supply us with tidbits from the announcers as you hear them while we have our US commercials. I lived in Japan for several years and found some of the best entertainment to be what the announcers say to each other and to others while commercials are running in the US.

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:13pm

Wow. What a block by Rivers. If Parker hadn't slipped that would have completely sprung him.

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by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:13pm

That reverse could only have been worse if Rivers had been injured falling over ball carrier.

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:13pm

Welcome to Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Eric Parker Edition.

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:14pm

1,2,3 and punt.
Quick - what rhymes with punt?
0.75 yds per pass play? Was Rex teleported into Brady? Of course, the DVOA will say it's not as bad as it seems, right?

120
by rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:14pm

I really like Rivers after his block of 59. Most quarterbacks would just hit the floor going for the legs.

122
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:14pm

Nice play by Hobbs after getting burned.

123
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:15pm

Rivers definitely underthrew a TD there.

Nice play by Hobbs to knock down the ball, but if Rivers puts a little more on it, it was a TD

124
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:16pm

Re #116,

As an example, it was suggested that the Pats would like LT to see lots of the ball, because that was the gameplan that Belichick used as DC for the Giants against the Bills. Because of course, San Diego has a Hall of Fame QB who you'd be scared shitless of...

125
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:16pm

Outstanding discipline by Colvin on that reverse. Even if the receiver didn't slip he could've delayed him enough for pursuit to keep it from being too huge.

All-out blitz, and the ball's just a bit underthrown. Nice play by Hobbs to recover and knock it away, but that should've been a touchdown.

126
by ChrisV (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:16pm

113 and he got punished and he served his punishment and he has been tested throughly afterwards and has not been found using. So stop bitching.

127
by Gordon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:16pm

Just as I'm thinking Rivers is looking a little panicked out there, he makes a nice completion.

"Slipped on a little bit of sodden ground [...] that was recently replaced."

What? How is it that the announcers can't pronounce players' names right, but they know which portion of the field was recently replaced?

And there goes another missed INT.

128
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:16pm

hummer makes awful consumer motor vehicles, but their commercials are nice. they ought to trade them for chevy's john cougar mellencamp, and then immediately go out of business.

129
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

As the Manning-McNair virus spreads west -- is no AFC quarterback going to play well this weekend?

130
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

Chargers going for it on 4th and 11? Rivers to punt?

130
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

Marty going for it on 4th and 11? This is anti-Martyball.

132
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

going for it? Wow

133
by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

At what point does Bellichick's Genius Player-Personnel-Guy Certficate expire? They're a 3-4 team whose youngest quality LB is gonna be 30 next year, they have zero depth at corner, and the receivers are a just a joke.

134
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

Now thats big. Thats a 40 yard loss of field position right there.

135
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

That absurd. Why on earth would you go for it on 4th and 11 in field goal range? Just a dumb decision.

136
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:17pm

So that's basically what, same as a missed FG?

137
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:18pm

wow, i'm in awe of the chargers offense this year and i wouldn't have gone for it on 4th and 11

138
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:18pm

Phil Simms' commentary makes no sense

He claims the Chargers were expecting blitz so they kept two guys in the backfield, but both took off on routes after the snap.

And Rivers is hit and fumbles it away.

139
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:18pm

Sorry, I'm wrong -- a missed FG at least initially offers you the chance of a made FG.

140
by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:18pm

Marty ball strikes again. Of course, safermetrics would've gone for it on 4th and 11, right?

141
by Jeremy Billones (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:18pm

Did Marty just say his team can't make a 47 yard FG?

142
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:19pm

133: The first year he doesn't win the AFC East.

143
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:19pm

ChrisV,

It was a Browns fan who brought up the steroids.

Also, I think that sack would have been better if Vrabel didn't force the fumble. The ball went forward.

144
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:19pm

Instead of being extremely conservative, Marty I guess is going to be extremely stupid this game.

145
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:19pm

Chargers just tossed away all that field positrion they gamed for -- watch NE march down for a score now.

146
by D (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:19pm

138, the backs' assignment is to pick up an outside blitz, if any, and then go out on circle or flat routes if not.

147
by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:20pm

Rivers looks a little nervous. His accuracy has been a bit spotty so far this game. Now I can't explain why Brady doesn't look good. Maybe SD's defense is doing well. But I will say that Rivers looks a little nervous. Maybe the 1st time in the playoffs jitters. And then he fumbles the 4th down play...

148
by Ilanin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:20pm

A missed FG gives the Patriots 17 more yards of field position. But I'd have kicked, too.

149
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:21pm

The Chargers are absolutely stunned that Brady is running the hurry up. I mean, how you possibly expect that?

150
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:21pm

whats the % on 47 yarders though? Its gotta be 75% +

Chance on 4th and 11 has got to be less than 20%.

151
by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:22pm

Interesting to watch the playcalling here given that the Pats are almost surely in 4 down territory (4th and single digits anyway).

152
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:22pm

150: A 47 yard field goal is about a 50% chance league average. I don't think there is any analytical system that would suggest going for it on 4th and 11 in a non-endgame situation.

153
by Jeremy Billones (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:22pm

Re: 140

You need about a 70% chance of success to make it worth going for it on 4th down if you ignore all other considerations. Going for it on 4th and 11 requires an awful lot of other considerations.

154
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:23pm

Did the announcer just say that Brady can't throw when theres no wind?

155
by dude (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:23pm

Did Phil Simms just say that Brady overthrew that ball due to the GOOD CONDITIONS???

156
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:23pm

148: Only 7 yards for the snap, actually.

157
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:24pm

did i just hear simms say that corey dillon gave himself his own nickname?

you've got to be something of an asshat to give yourself a nickname.

157
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:24pm

Belichik going for the figgie. If Gostkowski misses I'll laugh. Nope. Dead center. Schottenheimer looks like some sort of genius now, eh?

159
by Paul (London,UK) (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:24pm

103 : Nick Halling (the thinking man's arsehole), Rob Hart and the pretty boy who stands in for Kevin Cadle.

106 : Do you think if we agreed to an increase in our Sky subscription, they would go with your suggestion?

116 : Unfortunately, we only get the off air commentary when Sky are showing an "alternative" game. All we have this evening when you go to adverts is a bunch of phoneys who think they are both knowledgeable and entertaining.

160
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:24pm

I think Marty is going to regret that call... He let newengland out of their endzone, and its cost him 3 now, and let the NE offence get some rythm going.

161
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:25pm

156- It's actually eight. Seven in college. That was a fifty yarder from the 32 yard line

162
by coldbeer4thesoul (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:25pm

#145
nice call

163
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:25pm

What's Merriman got in that mask?

164
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:25pm

The Bears, Colts, and Saints all scored first this weekend and won.

Last week, the Colts, Patriots, and Seahwaks scored first and won. Only the Giants scored first and lost.

In the 8th game of the playoffs, Marty passes up a field goal opportunity to try a 4th and 11 conversion, and turns it over. The pats then score first.

Hmmmmmmmmm

165
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:26pm

Nice blocking on that kick.

166
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:27pm

Tomlinson's getting almost 7 1/2 yards/carry

7 for 52 at the moment

167
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:27pm

Was Ditka talking about Ricky Williams in that press conference?

168
by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:28pm

163: a tube of cream or clear, I can't tell which.

169
by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:28pm

Gamecenter listed the 4th down play as a sack. That's a mistake, right? Sure looked like a fumble to me.

I only mention it because it makes a 2 pt difference in my fantasy league.

170
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:28pm

Nantz brings the Def Poetry:
He's trained to run,
Talking bout Tom-lin-son.

171
by rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:29pm

I really like how the SD offense is looking but I still can't believe Marty went for it on 4th and 11. What kind of message does that send to your team?

172
by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:29pm

Re: 169

It counts as a sack, too, when the fumble is forced from the quarterback.

173
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:29pm

Actually, I guess if the wind is too much it makes sense to go for it. Judging by the amount of extra Gostkowski had on that 50 yarder it must be kind of breezy down there.

174
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:29pm

166
Hes got runs for
3
3
3
3
14
15
11

So sayin 7 yards a carry isnt really true. Hes either getting 10+, or nothing.

175
by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:30pm

End of the 1st and has anyone seen Maroney? I'm getting worried.

176
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:30pm

Probably a good one to the offense, a bad one to the kicker, and a bad one when you fail to get it

177
by stamford (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:30pm

I am glad LT has a visor. You always know where he is.

178
by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:30pm

#171: That Martyball is dead.

179
by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:30pm

171: One of three messages. Either it shows immense, but somewhat misguided faith in the offense. It shows a great deal of faith in the defense. Or it shows an absolute lack of faith in the FG kicker and the punter who he doesn't think can lay it inside of the 10 from there. I'm not sure which, but that was a weird call, especially from Marty...

180
by JPS (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

NE seems to be tackling exceedingly well today.

181
by Jeff F (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

133: Banta-Cain is 30? I thought he was 26 or so. But, yes, their linebackers are old, and receivers aren't great. But, are there any other personnel issues with the team? The DL is deep and excellent, the secondary is good, if not great, and has extremely good potential. The LBs are old, yes, but they are still good players. They will need replacements, but TBC is definitely working well, for what it's worth. Vrabel isn't exactly young, but he's not too old yet, either. That leaves Bruschi, who might be in his last season, and Colvin, who, like Vrabel, still has a few good years left. Does Seau stay for next year? He played okay this year, and could make for a servicable backup next year.

On offense, I think it's clear that their only weakness is simply not having a star receiver. The group they have now is clearly workable, and they have a much stronger rushing game now than they did in 2003.

IMO, at the moment, they are in a similar position as they were in 03 - they have some weak areas that aren't killing them, and with a couple good personnel decisions, they could pull another dominant 2004 season. Worst case, we are looking at another 2005, where they are a good, but not great team, and any team can fall apart in 2 years.

182
by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

Re: 153

I get about 45/50% to go on 4th. Considering the NE defense, either punt or FG is better. I guess I should've used the /sarc tag, Maarty is usually conservative, as we all know.

183
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

Sweet missed block by #79 on Vrabel. Just get a piece of him and Tomlinson might go for 30. Who was he going out to block, exactly?

184
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

blatant PI.

185
by ChrisV (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:31pm

Bruschi was all over LT way before the ball got there.

186
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

174- But he's always getting yardage. I believe he had one where he got stopped for zero, but he's consistently picking up 3-10 yards. A lot of guys like Shaun Alexander are more like

3
0
2
-1
4
0
8
4
0

187
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

So 4th and 11, you go for it, but 4th and 4, you punt?

188
by Kyle W (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

159: Damn, that almost makes me glad I can't watch this game. Gayle and Carlson would be an interesting studio team provided they got somebody decent to lead it as neither of them appear to be skilled at that and Cadle just makes to many mistakes for my liking.

189
by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

So now on a fourth and 4, when you're not giving up a decent shot at a field goal, you decide to kick and not go for it?

190
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

174: No, he's getting either 10+ or 3, which is definitely not nothing.

191
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:32pm

174: You mean how every running back, ever, has played? That's actually a remarkably good set of runs anyway, the league median is 2, punctuated by a bunch of long runs. Getting 3 and occasionally going for 15 is fantastic.

192
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:33pm

187 -- my thoughts exactly. I don't understand his decisionmaking process.

193
by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:33pm

So better to go for 4 & 11 from the +32 than 4th & 4 from the +40? Oh, Marty...

194
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:33pm

185: Glad to see the Chargers fans have already given up on the game and are complaining about the refs.

195
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:34pm

179: They would have been punting from the 30 and allegedly there is a decent breeze they would be kicking into on a 48 yarder. Neither of those options would be very good. If they fail, NE gets the ball back at the 30, which isn't too bad; I doubt the average value on punts from the 30 yard line is more than 15 yards or so.

196
by John (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:34pm

Wow, it sure looked like a penalty on that third down play to me. Linebacker draped all over LT

197
by Paralis (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:34pm

187: given that 4th&11 was from the 30, and 4th&4 was from the 41, yes. From outside the 40, a good punter can still play field position, and with more than 2 to go, converting's hardly a sure thing.

198
by Zac (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:34pm

I don't think anyone's giving up on the game. But as an impartial observer, it looked like holding to me.

199
by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:35pm

JPS

I live in Japan now, but my Japanese is not good enough to follow anything the announcers say. But I can imagine it is commical.

During commercials they are always shoing hilights from last week's game with Metalica or Guns N Roses playing in the background.

200
by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:35pm

194: No, no, we're complaining about Marty more than the refs now.

201
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:35pm

that was an awesome timing blitz by mccree

202
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:35pm

194- Mentioning a blatant penalty that was never called is giving up on the game? Not hardly

203
by Compucrazy (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:36pm

well at least it's consistent, letting the DB's mug a bit.

204
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:36pm

Way to tackle the reciever before the ball gets there.

205
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

This is starting to resemble the Giants @ Eagles last week. SD, like NYG, have had good field position for most of the first half and have done nothing with it. That didn't turn out so well for the Giants.

206
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

SD pissing away great field position to start the game reminds me of Giants/Eagles.

207
by ChrisV (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

Well, i guess the refs decided to give the chargers a free PI too to even things up a bit.

208
by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

There's the Maroney appearance...

209
by furriner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

I think I understand it now. The touchdown is like the designated hitter in baseball. Only one of the conferences plays with it. Which rule do they use in the Super Bowl?

210
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:37pm

Looks like Peyton Manning flew to SD a week early to play some QB.

211
by coldbeer4thesoul (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:38pm

FWIW: Stephen Gostkowski's 50-yard field goal is the longest in Patriots playoff history. The previous long was 48 yards, by Adam Vinatieri, which happened twice (2004 AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl XXXVI).

212
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:38pm

I think 194 was being ironic, considering who they replied to

213
by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:38pm

187 - 4th and 4 is a definite go. Another reason why the earlier call on 4th and 11 is so bad. It causes the coach to make a second bad decision. Belichick would've gone for it on 4th and 4 down 3. It's a no-brainer (although with NE defense, only a smal edge).

214
by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:39pm

James, London- I like the way you think.

215
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:39pm

Johnnyblazin,

Likewise.

216
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:40pm

I'm amazed how many guys are getting into the backfield and missing Tomlinson. Hes scarier than I thought.

217
by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:40pm

All right, surely now you go for it, right Marty?

218
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:40pm

Now you have to go for it.

219
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:41pm

4th and 1 at the NE 39. Now HERE you go for it!

220
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:41pm

... and this time, it works.

221
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:41pm

Michael Turner is scary

222
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:41pm

lorenzo neal goes down easy for a guy of his size.

great line blocking on that michael turner run.

223
by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

How the hell is that ruled a completed catch?

224
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

There was no football move

225
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

Two notes on that play.

1) Mcneil is a stud.

2) Sanders and Scott, whatever you want to say about their coverage, are great tacklers.

226
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

San Diego is going to set a record for most time in opponent territory without scoring.

227
by John (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

so that was a catch and the earlier one wasn't??

228
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

Surely that's not a catch. If Eric Parker didn't catch it earlier, then that can't be.

229
by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

good play call that time on the 4th and 1. It makes sense there.

230
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:42pm

is being dragged to the ground by a defender, even if you get both feet down, a "football move" of some sort?

231
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

One thing I learned from Mike Pierra is that falling down is a football move, so that's a catch and a fumble.

232
by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

Rivers' receivers are killing him.

233
by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

No catch. He bumped the ball out of his own grasp with his hip as he was coming down. I'm pretty sure you can't make a "football move" without actually touching the ground.

234
by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

What's Turner's FA status? Is he still unrestricted? And if so, I would love to see him in purple and black, since Lewis and Anderson are both likely gone this off-season.

235
by Don M (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

So, is falling on your butt a football move or not?

236
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

228

THerye calling it a catch because they didnt call the Parker one a catch, when it should have been.

(not saying this one was)

236
by John (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

That is clearly not a catch.

Phill Simms is such a jack ass. I hate him sooooo much

238
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

im not sure i know the definition of 'football move' (hell im not sure anyone knows) but that didn't look much like a catch to me

239
by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

If that had happened in the end zone, it would be ruled incomplete.

240
by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

If that's a catch, I have no idea how the Parker fumble earlier wasn't.

241
by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:43pm

Bill Belichick is now employing his Ref Mind Control Powers like in the Vikings game earlier this year. Just wait and see.

It looks more like a catch in the slo-mo they constantly show because you don't realize Gates held onto it for like less than a second.

242
by pr9000 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:44pm

235 -- when I play football, it's the only football move i've got.

243
by JPS (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:44pm

Kuato,

If you have a Bilingual option on your TV, you used to be able to hear the American commentators on the Bilingual channel during US commercial breaks. They'd ask for stats and talk with each other about what to say next while something Japanese was going on the primary channel. I have fond memories of Dick Enberg and Merlin Olsen sounding quite unlike their TV personalities during commercial breaks, and Bob Costas being an absolute cutup. :-)

244
by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:44pm

Squatting down while the ball squirts out is a bowel move, not a football move.

245
by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:45pm

Now that was an easy 4th down decision.

But how could that one be a catch/fumble when the first one wasn't? I honestly have no idea what the "football move" is if "falling towards the ground and losing the ball on the way down" counts, but "catching it, taking several steps, and turning upfield" doesn't.

If this is a fumble, the first one absolutely should've been. If that wasn't, there's no way this one was. I don't care either way as a fan, I'd just like it to be somewhat consistent.

Although if NE gets the ball here, it gives a good chance for Merriman and Castillo to roid-power their way to a safety. But if they don't, it gives Sauerbrun a chance to roid-kick it 85 yards.

246
by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:45pm

incomplete, baby

247
by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:45pm

I should have gone under on this one. My actual pick was was NE SU.

For the record, I took Ravens (didn't know that the Colts had such a good D) and both NO -6 and Philly SU (yuck, yuck and yuck).

Go Vrabel. Always good to see someone from Ohio make good (see also Belichick, Marty, etc..)

Oh, and I have CHI for SB. Da Bears.

Incomplete pass? I wuz robbed!

248
by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:46pm

Thats now 3 plays where Hobbs has nocked the ball out of the reciever's hands.

249
by B (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:46pm

235: Falling on your butt is a football move, but he never had possession. I'm changing my ruling.

250
by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:47pm

Turner is a restricted free agent. All kinds of speculation on what's going to happen to him, but no real consensus, as far as I can see.

251
by rollo (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:48pm

That SD Chargers sign was sweet. Is there a NFL medeival heraldy fan logo website I can go to?

252
by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:48pm

Money.

253
by tanner (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:48pm

SD approaching 3-1 advantage in yards, Pats very lucky to only be down 4.

254
by James, London (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

Finally SD make it count.

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by RichConley (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

Okay, now the pats finally get the ball outside their own 10.

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by centrifuge (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

The crowd really seems to like this Tomlinson character. Anyone know anything about him?

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by t.d. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

U. R. screwed

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

The chargers got some bulletproof boots and it paid off.

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by chuangtzu (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:49pm

LDT ltd.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:50pm

Chargers with a 5 minute time of possession advantage already. If I'm the Pats average age of 47 defender I'm a little concerned about 4th quarter Michael Turner with 4 carries coming in.

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:50pm

NE should hire LT to do the Big Dig for Boston. I'm used to seeing linemen submarine, but that was impressive.

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:51pm

And almost 85 minutes of AFC playoff football without a TD mercifully comes to an end.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:51pm

Obviously, SD is spurred on by their new anthem from P.O.D. (click link in name)

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by Matt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:52pm

oh good the chargers are going to help out Tom Brady.

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by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:53pm

#241: I remember that, Wiggins took 4 steps (not exagerating)with the ball secured and they said it was incomplete after the review; it was absolutely mind-boggling.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:53pm

*Stomach Dropping*

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:53pm

I was just thinking Brady was due for a pick

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:53pm

San Diego rushes only 3 and good things happen...

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:54pm

so i know donnie edwards doesn't do much near the line of scrimmage, but the dude can run, wraps up, and plays the pass like a good safety. i wonder if maybe the chargers miss him more than they expect when he's gone.

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:54pm

Wow, Simms actually blames the QB for an INT. Mark this day down on your calendars.

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by Kuato (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:54pm

JPS-Yeah, I do listen to the American feed. But they don't keep the sound live anymore. Too bad, that would be sweet.

Now they cut to the Japanese crew or show the same highlight reel about 50 times per game.

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by Thomas L. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:55pm

Ouch. NE defense on the field again. With the '85 Bears I rooted for the defense on the field, but not here. NE D is strong, but they need some rest time.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:55pm

Supervision comically couldn't keep the action in the frame

Thanks CBS

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by Matt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:56pm

If nothing else these refs are consistent.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:56pm

There are a lot of similarities between this game and the Denver game last year, between the tipped passes and horrible field possesion for the pats. Which is not a good thing if you're a Pats fan.

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by Gordon (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:56pm

And someone hangs on to an interception!

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by Peter Libero (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:56pm

OK, so three drops and falling down on the reverse for -7. A fine day for Mr. Parker.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:56pm

Terrible call. His hand moved up on the ball when his elbow hit the ground, but he never bobbled

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by Daniel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:57pm

Defense bail Brady and co out once again....

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by Ben B. (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:57pm

Looked like a catch to me, as a Chargers fan.

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by johnt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:57pm

I'm thinking these refs have some big money on the under for this game.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:58pm

Anybody else think the new Dr. Pepper commercial is just slightly better than the Diet Pepsi commercial?

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by jonnyblazin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:58pm

re: 234
Tom, you're telling me that you're not getting psyched about a Musa Smith/Cory Ross backfield in 07?

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by John (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:58pm

good call on the pass to parker. he bobbled right at the end.

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by Daniel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 7:59pm

I guess Martyball conservatism includes not challenging....

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by Rocco (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:00pm

285-

If they challenge and don't get it, it's their last challenge for the game. Given the way these refs are going, I want to keep that challenge around for a more egregious mistake.

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by Daniel (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:00pm

Come on Tom let's complete a pass here, whaddaya say

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by Not saying (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:00pm

Re: 285

You only get 2 challenges per game. It's better for him to save it for later.

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by Trogdor (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:01pm

I want to strangle Jim Nantz. Oh great, and now we get highlights. I just changed to a random channel for the duration, and apparently I'm now watching "Grannies on Safari" on PBS HD. Sure beats watching epic Browns playoff losses.

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by cd6 (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:01pm

QBs are a combined 10 for 27 with 97 yards, no TDs, and a pick

Hooray!

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:01pm

Wow. Brady has really been shut down.

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by Jin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:01pm

Going back to the Gates incomplete and the Wiggins incomplete, and from what I've seen all this season, I believe you should challenge almost every catch/incomplete/fumble? calls because the refs seem to have absolutely no idea what constitutes what.

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by Ilanin (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:01pm

I'm beginning to think that the NFC actually has a chance.

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by Matt (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:02pm

re: 285

Given the other incomplete calls earlier in the game, theres no way that is.

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by Phil (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:03pm

If the Pats don't make any adjustments, the 4th quarter is going to be a nightmare

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by andrew (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:03pm

The Patriots have managed to tackle Tomlinson when he gets into the second level and limit him to around 10-12 yards each time... that's to their credit..,.

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by Jesse (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:04pm

Nice screen

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by Tom Kelso (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:04pm

re: 283

Oh, God. Just pour the strychnine into a coffee mug and let me gt it over with.

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by Dave (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:04pm

one of the things tomlinson's best at is setting up his blocks.

also, he's friggin' fast.

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by vijay (not verified) :: Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:04pm

That was UNBELIEVABLE. That might have been one of the nicest runs I've ever seen with the juke early in the run, the speed late in the run. Amazing.