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Week 10 Open Game Discussion

Better late than never, it's the Week 10 Open Game discussion thread! Use this thread to discuss the Seattle-Arizona Thursday night game, as well as the rest of the week's action.

Comments

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by Cythammer :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:09am

Cardinals have had three full drives that got to the Seattle side of the field but resulted in no points. If they lose those failures will be a huge contributor.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:33am

My takes so far:
1)Arizona is only in this game because of Seattle penalties
2)Russell Wilson is amazing (that pass to Baldwin while scrambling is straight out of Madden)-
3)This year has been a bloodbath as far as major injuries to stars..now looks like Richard Sherman has an Achilles year.
4)Stanton isn’t playing all that badly for a career backup. He’s missed some throws, but his receivers have dropped some, too.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:46am

That play by Wilson was a Tarkenton special, the HOFer who Wilson has always reminded me of.

Drew Stanton reminds me of a slower Tavaris Jackson, but he actuallly has some instincts when extending the play. Just as inaccurate, though.

Adrian Peterson once again on a team that can't pass well enough to keep or 8 or 9 guys out of the box.

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by Rich A :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 2:20am

That play couldn't be out of Madden because QB's in Madden don't even have the balance and mobility the Wilson has.

That play was absolutely ridiculous

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by Hextall_27 :: Sat, 11/11/2017 - 10:25pm

Russell Wilson is a very underrated player.

Those Seattle teams are probably around 8-8 every year without his talent elevating a really bad offense.

Without him, they would be more like last year's Denver squad.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:33am

I thought Fitz would hit 15,000 career yards tonight. A.P. is close too, just under 100 yards short coming in to the game

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:49am

Dropped passes right and left for the Cards, when Stanton has been accurate.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:57am

Stanton missing deep balls on open receivers, and receivers dropping passes when Stanton was actually accurate, is why Arizona lost this game.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 1:09am

Receivers who catch the ball. What a concept.

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by Raiderjoe :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 1:15am

cvardinals disappointing team.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:08pm

Calias Campbell was underrated, apparently

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by Yu Narukami :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 4:03am

Don't know where to put generic NFL news buuuuut:

- NBC will make SkyCam the primary camera angle for Steelers-Titans next Thursday. Nice that they will test this option. The one they usef for Falcons@Pats was still far from perfect.

- Martellus Bennett was claimed from the waivers from the Pats. Even considering dragging injuries or lack of effort displayed this year (I don't know a thing about it, just picking from internet commentaries), it seemed like a no-brainer from the beginning (Gronk-insurance, better than D. Allen in catching game) and a Blount-2014 move. However, you might wonder why 27-28 teams didn't pick him up.

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by aces4me :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 9:15am

I'm guessing because those teams have a good idea that "injury" might persist if they claimed him.

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by Steve in WI :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 3:00pm

Regarding Bennett, I don't know what happened in Green Bay and I find the "failure to disclose" designation with which he was released to be bizarre and worthy of an article in and of itself. (Are they saying that he had an injury that they weren't aware of when they signed him? Isn't the onus on them to do their due diligence as far as physicals, etc?)

I know when he was traded from Chicago, the local media reported that he wasn't single-mindedly devoted to football enough for John Fox. (Not that he had specifically shirked any duties in games or in practice, mind you, but that they had questions about his dedication to football in light of the fact that he clearly has other interests in his life too).

I would say the fact that Belichick got good production out of him last year and snapped him up on waivers is an indication of the difference between Belichick and a lot of other GMs/coaches. I can't imagine Belichick turning up his nose at a guy for being a multi-layered person with interests outside of football, provided that the guy does what's expected of him on the field and in the meeting rooms.

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by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sat, 11/11/2017 - 11:59pm

BB picking him up on waivers has nothing to do with his ability to play at this point - I think the injury is going to cause him to miss the rest of the season.

They snapped him up so they keep the comp pick due for him. If he passes through waivers they lose it.

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by RobotBoy :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:38am

He's listed as questionable and LP on the injury report.
Deadspin ran a piece about the contretemps and many commenters were confused/indignant/clueless about why Bennett would seek season-ending surgery with the Packers but then delay the surgery after getting cut.
Now the Packers are claiminbg Bennett hid a medical issue from them; Bennett says that’s bullshit. If the Packers can prove that Bennett hoodwinked them (and how exactly?), would they be able to recover signing bonus, etc?
My guess would be that Bennett’s been playing with a condition that will need surgery at some point, but he sucked it up because Aaron Rodgers. With Rodgers gone, there’s no need to suck it up any more because the team is going nowhere, so he goes to doctors who tell him, ‘Get the surgery.’ And who knows, maybe the injury got worse. The Packers get peeved because he’ll be out for the rest of the season (not that it matters) and decide to cut him in a way that would let them recoup some of their investment.
I'd be willing to bet everyone knew that he was hurt but he and the team had a tacit agreement that he’d delay surgery. Bennett feels like he played hurt when they had a chance and that the team is screwing him with this response.

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by Theo :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 8:02pm

I'm excited to watch a game with the sky cam.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 11/11/2017 - 8:33am

I'm glad I'll be there, so I don't have to watch that angle.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:14pm

You're the only person I've heard with that opinion. Why don't you like it?

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by sbond101 :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:34pm

Watching the game that way creates of the lack of depth-perception. It's true that you get to see the route-tree, but because I can't really tell how deep the linebackers and safties are it's really hard to see anything but man-coverage (and hard to identify trail-technique vs. good coverage). I also find it hard to see the middle of the field and all the slot/RB/blocking work. It's also really disorienting after the catch (to me anyways).

It's true that the traditional view has some clear dis-advantages, especially when watching teams that throw a lot outside the numbers and deep down field. But it has some clear weaknesses as well. I think the current view plus the cut-shots to the receivers that are part of most of the broadcasts are better than the madden view both because it's smoother after the catch and because I really think watching the blocking really well is more interesting than the pretty marginal view of the coverage/receivers the madden view affords. I can definitely see the other side of the argument though, especially if the view from behind the QB was given a bit more elevation so that the quality of view on the coverage was better (better depth perception).

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 9:57pm

It's a question of compressed depth perception horizontally or vertically, you can't have it both ways. I just hate the standard angle because you can't see 50% of the football being played

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by sbond101 :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 11:10pm

That's a fair comment; We'll see what the ratings say I guess.

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by Theo :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 5:21am

The best way to show this, is to keep a wide angle so you can still see the wide receivers.
This seems obvious, but with the current sideline angle, they cut off the safeties and the lower routes and zoom in on the QB for some reason.
The worst thing they can do with the new angle is zoom in on the line and lose what's happening on the outside.
The lines will show the depth of the players, I think everyone gets used to it quickly.

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by morganja :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 12:25pm

In fairness, it's the same view Brock Osweiler has of the field.

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by Jerry :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 5:29am

I'm sure some of it comes from decades of watching the high sideline view, while not playing Madden. Beyond that, though, I agree with sbond about the depth perception problem. Because the camera compresses in a way the naked eye doesn't, I have a hard time figuring how far downfield something is. The sky-cam angle is useful for some replays, but it doesn't work for me as the primary angle.

And while I can focus on whatever I want from the stands, I tend to end up looking at the ball after a couple seconds.

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by BJR :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 7:36am

The All-IR team now has the shutdown corner it was missing

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by burbman :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 2:20pm

Seemed like both teams had players dropping like flies last night. Is there a higher instance of serious injury in Thursday night games than in games played on the standard Sunday/Monday schedule? League needs to review the added revenue vs. diminished product argument, as major injuries affect more than just the single game.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 2:26pm

I've not seen the data, but I have heard people, who have claimed to have done so, say that the injury rate on Thursday is in line with the rates on Sunday and Monday.

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by Jerry :: Sat, 11/11/2017 - 8:33am

For those of you who missed Zach Binney's research: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/do-thursday-games-ca...

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by young curmudgeon :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 10:32am

I don't know whether to admire those of you with the fortitude to watch the game despite the astonishingly hideous Seattle uniforms or to suggest you immediately seek aesthetic counseling. The Cardinals' uniforms were ludicrous, the white helmet looking like it was grafted on to a completely different design scheme, but the Seahawks' uniforms were aggressively and offensively ugly.

Is there any way we can get a Seahawks-Jaguars Thursday night matchup next season? I figure that would finally lay the awful 'color rush' notion to rest.

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by gomer_rs :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 10:37am

Todays matchup, the Arizona Cardinals and the fighting Highlighters!

Let's go Highlighters, *clap clap* let's go!
_______

I remember when they were the Sea-chickens.

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by runaway robot :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 3:50pm

Those uniforms may actually be damaging the circuitry in my visual cortex. I'm not sure if I'm joking. That color is not meant to be.

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by CoachBelanger :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 11:03am

Tough game for a veteran team like Arizona to play on a short week. AP had a career high in carries last Sunday and now gets a short week.

Seattle will look like Green Bay if Wilson gets hurt and he took some big hits last night, especially that one right under the chin from Dansby.

Jeffrey Belanger
Host Gambling Chalk Talk Podcast

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by BJR :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 11:15am

The Cardinals coaching staff were aware that they had a short week ahead whilst they were giving Peterson 35 carries on Sunday. There are other healthy running backs on the roster.

I agree it feels like a matter of time before Wilson is injured being asked to do what he is currently doing, behind this line, with zero support from his run game.

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by jds :: Fri, 11/10/2017 - 12:00pm

Politics and all that crap aside - that Seahawks team should have signed Colin K months ago as insurance. I had to look up the depth chart to find out who was behind Wilson - and they are absolutely screwed if he goes down - and playing behind that putrid mess, it is only a matter of time. Wilson is fantastic, but I fear for his long term health and safety.

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by Theo :: Sat, 11/11/2017 - 8:02am

"Gee, we have another winnable game in 4 days, let's run our 30+ year old runningback a record number of times."
Makes sense.

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by joe football :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 1:50pm

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 2:06pm

Steelers throw an arm-punt INT on the second play of the game. Ben saw Bryant had one-on-one and just chucked it in his direction down the sideline. Bryant never really looked back to locate the ball.

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 2:21pm

Indy's second drive sputters out on a 3-yard tight end dumpoff on 3&15. That had pretty much zero change of picking up the first. That's the kind of neutered backup-QB gameplan Tanier has been talking about lately that doesn't even give you a chance to win.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 2:29pm

Lions first two drives: 3 and out followed by a terrible punt, giving Cleveland a FG. Followed by a terrible Stafford interception. Browns promptly score a touchdown. Lions trailing 10-0 (Cleveland’s largest lead of the season).

As a longtime Lions fan, I’m not even surprised.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 2:33pm

Jamie Collins went down with the interception, though. The Browns D was feeluing his absence in the run game but managed to clamp down to only giving up a FG.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:04pm

John Fox challenges whether the Bears RB touched the pylon for a TD before going out of bounds. Turns out the RB lost the ball before it hit the pylon. Touchback!

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:18pm

Wow. That’s gotta be pretty rare for challenges to backfire like that.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:20pm

I thought when coaches make a challenge they have to state what they're challenging.

And then that's all that is evaluated. Because otherwise you start getting into "Turns out there was defensive holding on the other side of the field so while you didn't score the TD, you get an automatic 1st down instead".

In which case, how do they get to change this?

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by Eddo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:56pm

No, it's the opposite. Anything is fair game once the play is under review. See this great article from a few years back: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2012/officiating-how-win-challenge.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:54pm

Good find. Thanks.

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by Al Hirt Hologram :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:06pm

From the original angle the Cunningham play looked like down by contact and (if not) maintaing control and from another angle it was not down and not maintaining control

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:34pm

Wow bonehead move by Cleveland at the end of the half. They have 1st and goal inside the 5 with 11 secs left and no timeouts. The inexplicably run a QB draw (I think?) and get stuffed. Of course they can't line up in time to spike it, and the half ends. They throw away 3 free points.

The Browns actually have some decent players on both sides of the ball, but they're not good enough to overcome their own multiple unforced errors. And that equals an 0-8 record.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:26pm

Forward progress got stopped there on a run - they thought they could make it.

Reminiscent of the numerous errors against the Jets, whom they almost doubled up in yards but kept turning over, including in the redzone.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:57pm

And that's why they really do need to get rid of Hue Jackson after this year.

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 3:48pm

Pittburgh has now let up a 60 yard touchdown pass to the right side and a 60 yard touchdown pass to the left side. Mike Mitchell was playing the deep middle on both plays but he's just not rangy enough to offer any help when the corners make mistakes. At the very least he should be able to get over in time to make a tackle after a long reception.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:27pm

That's surprising, I thought he was one of the fastest

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 8:59am

His 40 time was great, but his reaction speed and his angles to the ball leave a lot to be desired.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:05pm

Wow, Lions appear to be pulling a reverse 1985 Dolphins vs Bears. They apparently don't want the Browns to challenge the 2008 Lions. They're getting outplayed. The Browns should really be up 20-10, if it weren't for their own mistakes. Instead, it's 17-17 with the Browns driving.

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by herewegobrownie... :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:29pm

Kessler in - Kizer evaluated for concussion protocol.

Didn't look like his helmet touched the turf or any of Quandre Diggs' person, but that whiplash didn't look good.

Rib injury, not completely out to return.

We'll see if Detroit remembered to review Kessler's film at all, or if this is another of those "spark off the bench" moments.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:47pm

"All the Steelers just rave about JuJu S.S..."

Right just ask Martellus Bryant!

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:49pm

Lol. “Most of the Steelers...” would be a more accurate statement.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:16pm

Martavis Bryant?

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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:52pm

A bold prediction: if the Steelers have first and ten, the ball will be handed off to Bell. Just because it hasn’t worked all day and the Colts are the worst team in the league in defending long passes, there is no reason to try anything different.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:25pm

I count 14 vs 12 on first down.
14 handoffs to Bell on 1st down and 12 plays where they didn't got with a handoff to Bell. (one handoff/shovel to Bryant and even Conner got a play.)

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 9:10am

Haley's playcalling has been disappointing in a lot of ways this season. Yesterday's game followed a trend I've noticed all year: they try a few deep balls early that barely miss, then completely abandon deep passing for the rest of the game. It doesn't really make sense, considering that the offense is largely built for big plays. When the offense has really been clicking the last few years, it's because they've attacked the deep ball often enough for defenses to really worry about it, opening up the ground and short passing games that sustain drives for them. Once they abandon that deep game, they're left with an overexposed counter trey run and Haley's signature 1001 Ways To Run a Wide Receiver Screen.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:55pm

Wow McCarthy finally takes the training wheels off Hundley, and he’s been throwing some nice deep balls. Packers about to put the Bears away and keep their playoff hopes alive.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:56pm

McCarthy finally lets Hundley make a play and makes a big one, 42 yard pass to Adams on 3rd and 10 just before the two minute warning instead of the typical handoff and hope Capers defense can hold the Bears.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 4:58pm

And then the holder muffs the snap causing Crosby to miss the FG and gives the Bears a chance to tie.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:01pm

Wow I flipped channels and missed that. Was it bad snap, like in Monday night?

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:03pm

Snap was ok. Holder just bobbled the ball and got it down late.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:01pm

With the Bills getting pounded by the Saints, opens it up for New England to really get its grip back on the AFC East

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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:06pm

On this drive, two handoffs to Bell on first down lose yardage. Pass to bBrown picks up 32 yards on first down. I’m just saying...

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:11pm

Game tied 17-17 inside 2 minutes, Pittsburgh gets inside the 20 and just waits until 4 seconds remaining to kick the field goal. They'd already missed a 40-something FG and had an XP blocked today, so I would have liked to see them play for the TD more rather than settle for a field goal. It worked out, but it still probably wasn't the best strategy.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:14pm

Bortled!

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:16pm

The Jaguars were unable to defeat Blake Bortles this week.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:18pm

Lol I forgot the Jags had 3 timeouts, and they’ll get the ball back.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:21pm

They have another chance! The intercepting safety inexplicably celebrated instead of trying to advance the ball (which kinda redeems Lee's 15 yard taunting penalty earlier, because that's who he was taunting at) and SD fails to get a 1st down, hits a bad punt, and it's the Chargers turn to try to fail to defeat Bortles

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:29pm

Now "by NFL rules," they can't show overtime? WTF I've never heard of this rule. My local team doesn't play until tonight, so that's not it. I have to watch this bullshit game on fox now? This sucks

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:38pm

I got that too. Disappointing, those last couple minutes I did get to see were exciting.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:02pm

In the battle between Blake Bortles trying to beat the Jaguars vs the Chargers trying to beat themselves, the latter prevailed.

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by LionInAZ :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 12:50am

"By NFL rules" has been around for years, meaning they are contractually obligated to switch a different game or show in your area. My viewing area got to watch the OT.

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by Jerry :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 5:51am

That rule's been around for a long time. Basically, it works like this:

-A network will stick with a game they're showing to its conclusion.
-If that game ends before the next window, they can switch to "bonus coverage" of another game.
-The bonus coverage has to end when the next window starts, even if the other network has the doubleheader. Eastern time, those windows are 1:00, 4:25, and 8:30. (A weather delay earlier this season brought that last one into play.)
-The one exception to the first rule is that in the markets of teams playing in a late game, that game has to be shown in its entirety, even if it means switching from an exciting ending of the early game that they'd normally show.

Why, you ask? The doubleheader system is set up to give one network a clear window for one game each week. Letting bonus coverage leak into that diminishes the clarity, and thus the value of the TV rights.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:14pm

A near-identical tuck rule play in LAR vs Houston - fumble.

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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:17pm

I’m happy for a Pittsburgh win, but that was not an impressive performance.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:20pm

This will probably herald the return of a certain pugnacious FO poster.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:26pm

Tomlin = Andy Reid, more or less. Their individual problems are different, but the results are the same

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:46pm

But Andy Reid has been successful with a wide variety of QBs, none of whom have ever been as good as Roethlisberger. I think Reid is probably a much better coach.

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by sbond101 :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:51pm

I have to agree with this. The only ways in which the two are similar is that they are both obviously limited in some respects, and are both generally better than the median head coach in the NFL. Andy Reid has done just as much, with a lot less talent the last 5+ years than Tomlin has - He's clearly been the much better coach over that frame.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 8:35pm

I've never understood the Andy Reid hate. The Andy Reid Clock Management toolset leaves a lot to be desired. But he's consistently had good teams that still play better than expected and his QB coaching may be the best in the NFL. He may go down as this generation's Marty Schottenheimer if he never wins a championship. I'd still probably take him over any other HC other than Belichick and maybe Carroll.

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by Alternator :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 8:13pm

I think three quarters of the league would love to sign Reid tomorrow, even if they'd be stuck owing twenty million to their newly-fired coach. He's atrocious at clock management, but otherwise is a very good to excellent coach.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:23pm

Some really bad plays, some poor blocking by the TEs, but then again, short crosses and Antonio Brown will still win some games for the Steelers.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:27pm

Joe Haden seems to have a broken fibula. Damn.

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 3:59pm

Early reports are coming in that it's a very slight fracture (whatever that means) and he might be back in as little as three weeks.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:44pm

The NFL rules on when games can be showed or not can make for some ridiculous and somewhat amusing situations. Right now on CBS they can't show the Jags-Chargers game, but they can give us updates as a game winning FG is attempted. So I'm watching other people watching football.

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by vrao81 :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 5:53pm

Rams high powered offense has 6 yards early in the 2nd quarter.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:10pm

Keenum has looked very impressive over multiple games. I wonder if the Vikings decide to keep him in the starting lineup and let Bridgewater ease his way back in.

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by Dan_L :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:31pm

I would really like to see a longer discussion of Keenum from the Outsiders. His DVOA and DYAR are borderline pro bowl level this season, and probably improving after this game. His previous career is pretty bad. Are there certain things he is doing well now that he did poorly before? Is there some evidence of better coaching/ highlighting his strengths and hiding his weaknesses? Is he just kinda doing better at everything? It seems like most traditional announcing puts him in the "game manager" box, but I don't think that describes what I've seen at all (albeit in limited viewing).

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:14pm

Troy Aikman is the most dull, most boring person I've ever heard. How much of the NFLs decline in ratings is his personal fault? Most fans probably don't even realize he's the reason football isn't exciting to them anymore

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:27pm

I'm still kinda ticked that CBS got rid of Gus Johnson. He could make a late-season game with only draft positioning on the line seem exciting.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 6:34pm

He's apparently employed by Fox now, but all they have him doing is that 3-on-3 basketball league that got started recently.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:15pm

I thought I saw his name listed for a college football game on 506 recently, but I totally agree, Gus was Great

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:08pm

Wow Goff to Woods for a BOMB.
Play action, corner/post route combination on the far side got Woods on the inside of a 1on1 coverage for 94 yards.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:46pm

Falcons really whupping the Cowboys in this second half. Should be their most impressive win of the season barring a big collapse, and they are still right there in the playoff race.

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by young curmudgeon :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 7:59pm

I realize that it sounds a bit like a “first world problem” (“the prosecco that I mixed with the St Germain for my cocktail really wasn’t chilled properly”) to complain that the Steelers win was not impressive or dominating, and it is probably somewhat annoying to fans of, say, the Chargers or the Bills. But when one sees flashes of how good they really could be, to watch them muddle through and win in a pedestrian fashion can be disappointing.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 8:55pm

Hey, I understand. Lions fans are calling a two touchdown victory an "embarassing win" because of who the opponent is, and in comparison to the performance last Monday night.

Sometimes saving your clunker performances for bad opponents instead of good ones is a matter of good luck.

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by Jerry :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 6:01am

It felt to me like the Steelers didn't play especially well, got Indianapolis' best shot, and still pulled out the win.

That said, this team will go as far as Ben takes them, which has a much different meaning than it did a couple months ago.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 8:01pm

After all those super close losses, it looks like the 49ers first actual win will, ironically, be a blowout. Meanwhile I bet this spells the end of McAdoo.

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by oaktoon :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 8:15pm

So thanks to parity, injuries and Goodell, the NFC playoff race is shaping up to be a doozy. For argument's sake, I'll leave the two 4-5 teams-- ARIZ and WASH-- out of the discussion for now. There are 10 teams with winning records and only 6 spots.

A few basic points:

Three of the four division leaders face a difficult month ahead.

RAMS: @MINN, NO, @ARIZ, PHILA, @SEA They play all three of the other division leaders, and their biggest rivals within their division (and that game is away)... They could easily do a Miami and lose 4 of those games-- OTOH, maybe this is simply their year and they split those four, beat the Cardinals, and close out a 12-4 season with wins at Tennessee and home to the Niners.

VIKINGS: LAR, @DET, @ATL, @CAR, CIN Rams home, and then three very tough road games against contenders in a row. They could also do a Miami and lose all four before they meet the Bengals. Final two are at GB (Rodgers??) and home to the Bears. Hard to imagine the Vikings doing better than 11-5, and 10-6 seems much more likely.

SAINTS: WASH, @LAR, CAR, @ATL, NYJ The easiest of the bunch but still three critical games in the middle. Then they play Falcons again in Superdome and at TB... 11-5??

EAGLES: @DALL, CHI, @SEA, @LAR, @NYG First game in Dallas (they close hosting the Cowboys) is everything. Division basically over if Eagles win it, and Cowboys are depleted.. But if they lose it, not hard to imagine they drop a couple more before finishing at home vs. Raiders and Cowboys... 12-4 and the bye probably the likeliest result, but it really depends on next weekend..

Of the WC contenders with 3 losses, it is important to note that the Panthers play NO and ATL away, MINN and GB at home, the Seahawks play Jaguars and Cowboys away, Falcons, Eagles and Rams in Seattle... Advantage Carolina.. And Detroit has the easiest run-in of all the 4 loss teams, followed by the Cowboys if they can only beat Philly next week... Falcons have 5 more games remaining against fellow contenders.. and Packers must play at Pittsburgh in tw weeks, meaning if they can't sweep the Ravens and Bucs at Lambeau, and the Browns in Cleveland, they're out of the discussion and Rodgers will not suit up again this year.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 9:35pm

Is fumbling the punt really that much worse than handing the ball to The Brockweiler?

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 10:58pm

Pats 5 kickoffs -18 yards vs touchbacks

Well that was interesting, but Denver isn't getting to 27 so I'm finished. Really weak day of football here

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by TimK :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 9:51pm

Broncos special teams trying hard to reclaim bottom spot after rising up the last week or two.

Poor lane discipline and a refusal to call fair catches not helping. Probably get a 15 yard kick return to the 10 again soon.

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by Lyford :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 10:27pm

That ball clearly never hit the ground. Should have been TD for Gronk and the Pats...

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by morganja :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 10:31pm

Is this the first special teams coach ever fired before halftime?

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by morganja :: Sun, 11/12/2017 - 10:36pm

This is the first football I'm seeing this weekend. Brockweiler is awful. Even his completions are near interceptions. If the NFL doesn't care enough about their product to hire the best quarterbacks available, no reason for me to waste my time watching it.

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by Raiderfan :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 8:12am

Had to be one of the most Belichekian games ever--aside from Brady the most valuable player was the FB. Who else even has one on the roster any more?
And the score could have been worse--Gronk catch did not hit the ground, Harris PI in end zone not called, Osweiller floating duck throw as he was hit on a 3rd down goes for a long gain.
But no doubt the DVOA splits will show the teams were close.

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by Aaron Brooks Go... :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 10:17am

KC, Jacksonville, NO, Houston, Dallas, and Buffalo have FBs.

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by sbond101 :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 11:03am

I think it's fair to say the position is making something of a comeback; according to CBS there are currently 24 fullbacks on 23 rosters in the NFL (the Bills have two of them because management wanted to pretend Mike Tolbert was a HB in the offseason). I think it's fair to say that BB giving a FB 45 snaps and a key role in the scheme in the passing game (hit Von Miller 20+ times and then pretend like you might catch a ball) is a long way out there on the bell curve.

Some times I think it would be interesting to see how BB would build a team if he had more than 2 draft picks in the top 50 in the last 5 years, but then we get nights like last night and I remember how much more entertaining this is. Games like that really do make me doubt the Browns long term strategy will ever work.

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by mehllageman56 :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 1:49pm

The Jets have one too, but he's hurt right now. He also started the season at defensive tackle.

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 4:12pm

Lawrence Thomas played on Sunday vs buccaneers . did nhe get I jured during game?

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 4:22pm

Pittsburgh's fullback is a converted defensive lineman too, and the Giants had a former defensive lineman playing fullback a few seasons backwho was even playing a bit both ways (Nikita Whitlock) . I wonder why that's such a trend. Is it just because there aren't many true fullbacks in the college game?

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by Raiderjoe :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 4:59pm

Well, Thomas played offsne at Michigan stare. I remember him blocking for L. Bell

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by Raiderfan :: Tue, 11/14/2017 - 8:31am

And last night the Dolphins had Rey Mamaluga (MLB) playing fullback. And he did a pretty good job blocking.
Maybe Jason Garrett could use a FB to chip on the left side of their line.

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by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Mon, 11/13/2017 - 11:57am

The DVOA splits will again show the Patriots defense was awful, because they gave up some relatively long drives that yielded few points, and gave up 5 yards per carry, while ignoring the fact that the game was out of reach by halftime.

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by vrao81 :: Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:18am

No comments regarding the Panthers historic beat down of the dolphins?

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by morganja :: Tue, 11/14/2017 - 1:15pm

I'm a Panthers fan and I couldn't muster up any more enthusiasm than Cutler did.

I was just left wondering if the Panthers could do any of that against a real team, like the Saints, Vikings and Falcons coming up.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Tue, 11/14/2017 - 3:31pm

They did plenty against the Patriots.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Tue, 11/14/2017 - 3:31pm

They did plenty against the Patriots.