Writers of Pro Football Prospectus 2008

Week 12 Open Game Discussion

Here's your open discussion thread for all the Week 12 action, starting with the Thanksgiving tripleheader of Minnesota at Detroit, Los Angeles Chargers at Dallas, and New York Giants at Washington. Then use this thread to discuss all of Sunday's action, especially the big New Orleans at Los Angeles Rams game.

Comments

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by Cythammer :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:00pm

It's kinda fascinating to me how many of the major players from the disastrous 2013 Texans season (the team went 2-14 after making the playoffs in 2012) have gone onto significant success in other places. Obviously we all know what Kubiak and Wade Phillips did just two years later for the Broncos. Meanwhile Case Keenum (who went 0-8 as a starter that year) is now, whatever his true talent level, producing like one of the best QBs in the game for a team that looks like a strong Super Bowl contender.

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:10pm

Pathetic start from Detroit

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:46pm

The kick-blocking unit keeping them in the game.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:40pm

Keenum is wisely picking his spots to run. But he needs to learn to slide feet first or he's going to get hurt or give up a bad fumble.

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by jtr :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 11:12am

THIS GUY, I CALL HIM CASE KEEPER

Sorry, channeled my inner Gruden for a moment there. I won't let it happen again.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:51pm

The Lions could not look any worse in the first half. Vikings should easily be up by three scores.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 2:58pm

...and now they are. Wow, Keenum has been great.

I did not expect the Lions to win this game, but I was hoping for a more spirited effort than this.

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:03pm

Stafford's inaccuracy has been the biggest disappointment. He was going to have to have a great day for the Lions to win, and this is not a great day.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:07pm

Exactly. His occasionally erratic accuracy is what prevents him from ascending to the upper tier of NFL quarterbacks.

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:31pm

Yeah I expected the Vikings to have the edge in most areas today, but not at QB.

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by RickD :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:24pm

We're trying to figure out why the Lions are incapable of starting a game playing at full effort. It's baffling.

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by Theo :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:20pm

Freddy Mercury had nothing on these guys in the halftime show.
What a talent, what a class, such originality, what a music.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:23pm

It was good, but not even close to Freddie Mercury and Queen.

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by Theo :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:23pm

It was garbage.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:36pm

If Detroit plays defense the rest of the game like they did to start the second half, might as well as start serving Thanksgiving dinner now.

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 3:41pm

Aikman just called Stafford a top 3 QB. bangs head against wall

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 11:21pm

He's not far away, if you only count guys playing today xD

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:02pm

God, stop throwing to Darren Fells in the red zone! He has two drops today, without which this would be a 1 score game!

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:11pm

I don't understand why there are so many dumb penalties on kick returns. Why make an illegal block on a guy who's 10-15 yards from the ball?i

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:15pm

Riddick needed to help out with Griffen on that last sack, instead of heading up the middle.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:37pm

Jarrod Davis looks good. Tahir Whitehead does not. And why is Kyle Van Noy starting for the Patriots if he couldn't stick with the Lions?

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:38pm

Van Noy is not a 4-3 backer. Square peg, round hole.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:58pm

But they used a 2nd round draft pick on him...

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 5:29pm

Lol. Thanks Mayhew!

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 8:19pm

Is that why LaAdrian Waddle is starting for the Patriots too?

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 8:54pm

Not by choice. He’s still not good. At least he was a UDFA, and they didn’t waste a draft pick on him.

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by RobotBoy :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 3:33am

Waddle is actually playing quite well. He had help the last couple of weeks but he's also stoned some good pass rushers one-on-one.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2017/11/20/16678164/patriots-right-tackle-laa...

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by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:22pm

"Van Noy is not a 4-3 backer"

The Patriots play a 4-3. (or, they play 4-3 more than they play 3-4)

Well, actually, they play a screwy 4-2-5 defense with 3 safeties most of the time, but Van Noy's responsibilities have been all over the place - from pass rushing to covering downfield. He's capably doing a lot of things that 4-3 linebackers do.

The problem is that the Lions are a poorly run team, and are bad at putting players in position to succeed.

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by RickD :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:47pm

Wondering why Diggs went out of bounds there...

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 4:59pm

Well they had their chances, but they just couldn't overcome their awful start. Stafford was off all day. If he's not playing well, the rest of the team isn't good enough to carry the day.

Probably for the best. If this Lions team had made the playoffs, it would be yet another first round exit.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 5:29pm

The defense was the real letdown. They were clearly not ready to start the 2nd half. Giving up the winning margin on four long run plays is terrible, especially when the run D was respectable most of the game.

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by JoeyHarringtonsPiano :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 5:32pm

In any event, Minnesota is clearly the better team. The game was only competitive in the end due to their placekick game issues.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 5:00pm

Aggresive is nice... but going for it on 4th and 8 on your side of the field with more than 3 minutes left?

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by Will Allen :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 5:21pm

Short week special teams nightmare by the Vikings makes the game competitive. They should give thanks that the game is behind them.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 6:50pm

And an unforced handoff giveaway by Abdullah. And a bad decision by Tate to give up a first down to try for extra yards. And a decision to go for it on 4th and 8 at the wrong point in the game.

Kai Forbath's badness was at least a known quantity.

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by LionInAZ :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 6:38pm

I think I've mentioned this once before but... Dilly Dilly? Why do Bud Lite ads get more stupid every year? Oh wait... I forgot about the projected demographic...

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by Cythammer :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 7:35pm

Well, I think it's meant to be silly/dumb. Though I gotta say that every time I see that add I think that spiced honey mead wine sounds a lot better than what's being advertised.

BTW, for those who weren't aware, Roethlisberger actually used 'dilly dilly' as an audible last Thursday.

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by CaffeineMan :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 10:18pm

We need an Audibles thread to collect all the amusing audible calls. I like the one DeBerg used against the Jets, with recently-arrested-nightclub-brawler Mark Gastineau: "Green! Studio 54!"

https://www.si.com/vault/1987/12/07/116752/battlin-buccaneer-after-havin...

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 11:23pm

Maybe if you were very drunk it would make sense

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by RickD :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 9:41pm

So...if on punt coverage the coverage team grabs the ball at the 7 and downs it at the 1, the ball is spotted at the 7. Why, then, is it called a touchback if he brings it into the end zone?

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 11:16pm

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

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by Anger...rising :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 1:13am

The punting team downing the ball is technically illegal touching, so the receivers get to take whatever is the most advantageous outcome.

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by BJR :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 10:26pm

Good lord this is an awful game at Fedex Field

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by The Ninjalectual :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 11:14pm

Cousins' biggest weakness is his inability to avoid pass rush. Remember a couple years ago when he had the #1 DVOA in the league when unpressured?

There's maybe not much he could have done when the middle of the OL is getting pushed back into his face like that, but he would be well served choosing a team with a strong OL. I believe Cousins is capable of playing at a high level with average WRs and a great OL. And his receivers this year are pretty average, Jordan "MIA" Reed excepted

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by justanothersteve :: Thu, 11/23/2017 - 11:59pm

Question for Vikings fans: Case Keenum is an UFA after this year. Has there been any conversation about resigning him? I think both Bridgewater and Bradford will also be UFAs, but I'm not sure they'd be much better than Keenum.

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by Will Allen :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 9:50am

I'm pretty sure the plan was, after Bradford came up gimpy espevially, to let Bradford walk, put Bridgewater on the field after Keenum had a bad outing or two, to make sure Bridgewater was fully recovered. Keenum has altered the plan by playing very efficiently, his below average throwing ability notwithstanding. I cannot believe they will give large money to both Bridgewater and Keenum. They would prefer Bridgewater due to age alone, and the fact that he might not command large money until he gets at least 16 starts in good health. Keenum has exceeded all expectations,of course, but he is playing in as favorable environment as can be imagined. There are a lot of qbs who would look very, very, good playing for this team.

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by justanothersteve :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 12:42pm

I wouldn't say he's playing in that favorable an environment. The Vikings currently have the best set of starting receivers (WR 1/2 and TE) in the NFC North, though depth is an issue. The line is average (anything is better than last year's train wreck and I think Keenum has made the line look better than it is) as are the RBs. Keenum seems to understand how to scramble better than Bridgewater and is above average at finding his receivers during the scramble drill.

I think many other QBs would look ok with this team, but few would look as good as Keenum. He's not going to be Brees or Rodgers, but I think he's shown he's at least a starting NFL QB - and that is more than we can say for some actual starters. He's got at least a good 4-5 years minimum left (He's only 29).

There may also be a fair number of UFA QBs available to drive down the market. Cousins, Bradford, Bridgewater, Keenum, Cutler, Moore, and the usual band of backups (Fitzpatrick, McCown, Stanton, Gino Smith, Derek Anderson, Chase Daniel, Sanchez, etc.). Possibly Garoppolo and Glennon.

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 11/25/2017 - 2:42pm

I am as shocked by the quality of the Vikings o-line play as anybody, but the fact is that they soundly whipped two top 5 by DVOA defenses, Ravens and Rams. Their production to date has been easily above average, and it really can't be reasonably disputed. I keep expecting a sizable regression, and it has yet to happen, and Remmers backup, undrafted 2nd year lt Hill, may well be an improvement
. I have no explanation, but it is what is.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 12:21am

Well that was inevitable

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by The Ninjalectual :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 12:39am

Hahaha that was the best celebration I've seen all year, on the clinching INT. They acted out a "drug bust"; they patted Fuller down and found the ball as the "drugs," and he gets "arrested." Hahaha nice

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by RobotBoy :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 3:32am

Double Post

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by BJR :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 7:15am

The way the Dallas offence has utterly collapsed in 2 of the past 3 seasons following a couple of key injuries really speaks poorly about the coaching going on there.

I realise it comes down entirely to the whim of Jerry Jones' ego, but Garrett and his staff ought to be skating on extremely thin ice right now.

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by Cythammer :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 7:28pm

I live down in the DFW area, and there are certainly drum beats about getting rid of Garrett. Most, or at least many of the fans seem to want that to happen. They are very frustrated after the last three games, and want somebody to be the fall guy.

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by Hextall_27 :: Sat, 11/25/2017 - 1:14am

As an Eagles fan I want Garrett and McAdoo to keep their jobs for a long time.

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by Will Allen :: Sat, 11/25/2017 - 2:54pm

Unfortunately for Cowboy fans, I don't think there is a HOF master turnaround coach to cover for the fathead owner, like there was after the Dave Campo valet experiment.

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by Hextall_27 :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:24am

Gibbs, Parcells, and Johnson turned into Spurrier, Fassel, and Campo.
Good times!

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by jtr :: Fri, 11/24/2017 - 12:22pm

Caught a highlight show this morning that was trying to blame Tyron Smith for the Cowboys struggles. He didn't exactly play like Orlando Pace (though he can sometimes, imo), but it hardly seems fair to blame him for everything. He gave up two sacks, but on both plays he held his block for 3+ seconds before Dak ran himself right into trouble.

Between Prescott, Keenum, and Goff, this season is really showing how surrounding circumstances can really change our perception of QB play.

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by Kopalec :: Sat, 11/25/2017 - 12:13am

A tangent off that idea for QB supporting casts...

I have seen the statistic showing the amount of total offense Russell Wilson has accounted for this year after losing anything resembling a running game, as well as continued issues along the O-line. Something like 82%+, which is a NFL record should it continue for the remainder of the season. What I haven't seen is how much of an outlier that is? For example, what is the current record? How much higher is that compared to his peers this years, or in years past?

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by Hextall_27 :: Sat, 11/25/2017 - 1:12am

So they got blown out for 2 weeks when Smith was not playing but Smith is the problem?

Rush a guy back from a bad groin with a chronic bad back and then he gets blamed for Dak being unable to forward pass without every linebacker and safety biting on Zeke play action?

That's some funny stuff.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 1:43pm

Bnegals 22, browns 19
Pantehrs 20, Jets 19
Eagles 34, bears 17
pates 41, dolphsin 15
Bills 27, Cheufs 20
Falcosn 30, Buccaneers 20
titmas 30, Clots 23
Seahawjs 33, 49ewrs 13
Saitms 27, rams 23
Jaguars 27, Cardinals 24
Raiders 34, Broncs 10
Stampeders 36, Argonauts 30
Steelers 38, Pakcers 20
Ravens 23, texams 9

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by ammek :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:03pm

7/7 picking the winners in early games.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:53pm

It's a titmas miracle!

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by Guest789 :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:08am

As a Stamps fan, that was a gut-wrenching Grey Cup.

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by Athelas :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 2:11pm

Fake punt at their own 26? Pretty ballsy Patriots.

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by Yu Narukami :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 2:29pm

Pro Bowler/multi-sport stud/special teams ace Nate Ebner paid the price with probably a season ending injury in that carry.

Nice addition to the All-IR team.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 2:41pm

Four Jets runifn backs had touches on opening drive
Patriots another tema that could do something like that but unless pates OEr dolphins die hard that is brutal game to have to watch

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 2:56pm

In the These-Teams-Looked-Way-Way-Better-A-Month-Ago Bowl, the Chiefs don't even have a second down in the first quarter, and are now down 10-0. If they drop this one the Chargers will be just one game back in the division, which is absolutely amazing considering LA started off 0-4 and KC 5-0.

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by justanothersteve :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 3:31pm

Any word on why tonight's GB/Pitt game was not flexed out? Without Rodgers, this has a good chance to be one fugly game.

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 4:08pm

Those are two big national fanbases, I think that's probably the big thing it comes down to.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:01pm

The Steelers are very good at keeping games close.

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 4:01pm

Tyrod Taylor continues to disappoint. 26 pass attempts and 0 interceptions. Where's the excitement in that?

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by Steve B :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 4:17pm

Doing well at taking unnecessary sacks, too

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by Bright Blue Shorts :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:05pm

He's just lost a yard on each of those end of game kneeldowns.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:08pm

That victory today was all about the Bills defense though, not Taylor.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:55pm

So it's the defense's fault he lost those kneeldown yards?

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by Steve B :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:37pm

The point is it's not worth making such a big deal one way or the other over a QB who's the "epitome of "he won't lose it for you, but he also won't win it for you" overall.

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by Will Allen :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 10:24pm

Compared to 5 ints in the 1st half, it's a very big deal.

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by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 9:39am

"He won't lose it for you, but he also won't win it for you" makes him about the 15-20th best quarterback on earth. That is something to make sure you hang onto - because that's hard to find.

He doesn't give you the roster flexibility like Peyton did, or Brees, Rogers, and Brady do, but you're not likely to find one of those sorts of guys, no matter how many picks you spend. You're more likely to end up with one of the Petermans of the world - just look at teams like the Browns.

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by Will Allen :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:29am

I do not understand why people forget how many championships are won by teams while receiving less than terrific production from the qb position. Just in the last 20 years, it has happened maybe 5 time, which says sacrificing hugely in the quest to find a great qb at the roulette wheel is pretty unwise.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 4:46pm

Austin Sefarian-Jenkins gets jobbed on another inexplicable TD overturn. This time it was just an incompletion, but it ends up resulting in the Jets only getting a FG, after they try three straight passes from the 1-yard line.

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by Raiderjoe :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:59pm

saw play live. hideous overturnr

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 4:56pm

Announcer at CBS complaining about defenseless receivers being hit late Browns-Bengals game.
He doesn't get the concept that you can't hit a defenseless receiver in the head/neck area. You CAN hit him however.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:06pm

The Jets go from being about to be up by either 4 or 6 points to down by 12 in very short order. Panthers score a TD on a return off of a McCown fumble, then shortly after on a punt return.

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by mehllageman56 :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:18pm

That McCown 'fumble' sums up his ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. It's an important trait the Jets are relying on to get an actual quarterback from the draft next year. If he had just gone down, the Jets might have won, and we don't want that, do we?

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by Steve B :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:06pm

Alex Smith has turned back into...Alex Smith. All that MVP talk seems like ages ago. KC's nosedive continues and the once 0-4 Chargers now have a very real shot at winning the AFC West. For that matter, the Raiders would be right in the thick of things, too, with a win today.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:10pm

The running game is a big problem now too. Kareem Hunt was amazing early in the season, now he's doing very little.

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by Cythammer :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:32pm

The Jets would be solidly in a playoff spot right now if they could actually hold onto second half leads. Today I think they actually significantly outplayed the Panthers, which isn't a very good sign for Carolina.

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by Steve B :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:49pm

Hey, bad teams find a way to lose. As far as the Panthers, I don't know if I'd read too much into it. Could be a combo of post-bye week rustiness + looking ahead to next week's showdown with the Saints.

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by mehllageman56 :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:16pm

The Jets were rusty too coming off that bye. That's why they had a 4th quarter lead. Next week it'll only be a second quarter lead.

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by mehllageman56 :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:22pm

To be serious about the Panthers' playoff chances, Cam completing 11 of 28 passes is more worrying than pulling off a close victory against the Jets. I also should point out that McCown fits Robbie Anderson really well, so he might be worth keeping around so the Jets can break in next year's rookie messiah slowly.

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by Steve B :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:43pm

They were coming off a bye, too? Then I'll go back to what I posted originally - bad teams find a way to lose

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:56pm

On the radio broadcast, Brady Poppinga just noted that Goff is not very good at dealing with pressure up the middle. I was just saying that about Cousins too.

I didn't understand football very well back when Jon Gruden was coaching, but could Jay give him a run for his money as the best Gruden if he worked for almost anyone except Snyder?

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 5:58pm

Football is not a radio sport, but Poppinga is doing a fantastic job of it. I didn't catch who he was talking about, but he was admiring a device in a player's contract that if he becomes an all-pro, he becomes a free agent and will cash in that year. That's really smart!

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by ammek :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:04pm

Mark Ingram, I think.

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 6:16pm

CBS broadcast just said that the Rams haven't had a player lead the league in yards from scrimmage since Crazy Legs Hirsch. That sounded immediately wrong, and it was--Marshall Faulk in 99 and Stephen Jackson in 06. It isn't even right if you limit it to Los Angeles, because Eric Dickerson did it three times in the 80's. Not sure how their stat department missed that so badly.

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by Theo :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 8:06pm

When I read your comment I immediately thought of Faulk too.
I wouldn't know who'd be it in 2001- Tomlinson? Holmes?
I looked it up and 1999 was Faulk and 2001 was Priest Holmes.

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by Hoodie_Sleeves :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:15pm

For a guy who gets called for a ton of penalties, and gets a ton of fines, Ndamakong Suh gets away with a ton of penalties.

The uncalled facemask on Deion Lewis was about the most ridiculous non-call I've seen in a football game.

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by Athelas :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 7:21pm

I believe he is from the "they can't call them all" school.

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 8:43pm

So was Jeff Fisher, dirtiest coach in modern times. May his soul burn in hell

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by The Ninjalectual :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 8:49pm

Green Bay fans: sorry your team is hopeless, but at least none of your team's players have ever knelt for any national anthem, which is actually the most important part of the game. So your season is surely a victory for holding stubbornly fast to your priorities in the face of sense, reason, tradition, both long and short term planning, etc etc

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by D2K :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 10:40pm

Al Michaels on some random Green Bay RB:

"His career started with a fumble, another fumble, a 1 yard loss and an ankle injury."

I found that hilarious.

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by sbond101 :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 10:43pm

Thoughts from GB-Pit; the second Pit touchdown drive. Saftey play has got to be one of the most under-rated aspects of NFL defense. Ben drops a pretty good pass into Brown between the corner and the safety, the GB safety has time to make a hit to possibly knock the ball out - instead he hits his own player and makes no contact with Brown, resulting in another 15+ yards for a 43 yard play to set up a TD to tie the game. I get that having the timing, agility speed and football intelligence to make that hit is rare, and you still might not get the ball out, but man that's a high-leverage mistake for a defense playing better than I expected it too. Also it's got to be awful as a coach putting your guy in a good position to make a play and having him totally whiff like that - count me off the "fire Dom Capers" band wagon.

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by ChrisS :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:49am

Seems like a very high percentage of times when one defender has a ball carrier engaged the next defender to come flying in hits the first defender instead of the ball carrier and not infrequently injures the other defender (or himself). Probably because the ball carrier realizes he is in trouble and tries to go to ground and the 2nd defender can't change his trajectory in time.

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by jtr :: Sun, 11/26/2017 - 11:40pm

Outside corner is definitely the weakness of this Pittsburgh defense. They gave up a wide open TD down each sideline in the first half, just like they did against Indy two weeks ago. Artie Burns is good for a couple of bone head plays each game where he's just wildly out of position. He's making more bad plays and fewer good ones this year than he did last year as a rookie.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:15am

Packers have former first rounder Damarius Randall who is no longer allowed to play outside corner

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:18am

Packers and Steelers run similar defenses. When your base coverage is Cover 3, it's really important that your outside corners play with discipline because there's no help down the sideline unless you have an elite free safety.

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by Steve B :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 1:24am

Re: #99

He's covered very well overall, but the one or two big mistakes per game needs to stop and his tackling needs to improve. They need Joe Haden back soon, too.

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 8:29am

He definitely has the physical tools to be a good cover corner, and he shows flashes of it. But that TD last night was just baffling. He's supposed to have the outside third of the field, and somehow he ended up all the way on the other side of the free safety. Plus he tripped up Mike Mitchell, who otherwise may have been able to make a tackle right before the goal line. He'll be a real asset to the team if he can ever clean up these mental mistakes.

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by JMM :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 9:08am

I see a lot of chippie-ness from Burns at the end of play. Little stuff but consistent. Bumping opponents as he walks past them, late pushes. The kind of stuff done by young studs who think that stuff like that matters. He needs to be schooled by a coach or senior CB and told to focus on the play, not the posturing.

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by jtr :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 11:01am

I have a feeling he gets that from Mike Mitchell, who seems to be the leader of the secondary. Mitchell is constantly getting in unnecessary hits and shoves in after the whistle, straddling guys when they're trying to get up, and celebrating on plays where all he did was pop someone who was already going down. He's the longest tenured starter in the secondary, so it's not really surprising that the younger DBs are learning from his example.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:26am

Every QB not named Cam Newton gets that helmet to helmet call

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:28am

Freaking unbelievable Antonio Brown catch

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by vrao81 :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 12:43am

Blaine Gabbert had a pretty good game against Jax, probably sending his career DYAR up.

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by Cheesehead_Canuck :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 10:34am

The one time McCarthy opts for a long FG instead of punting is at Heinz frickin Field.
That was such a Packers way to end the game. I suppose that's the season now.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 1:24pm

McCarthy has a history of going for long FGs earlier in his coaching career regardless of the weather. He finally stopped in recent years and it really boosted Crosby's confidence. I was stunned when they tried that FG last night. I hate punting on a short field, but it was the right thing to do last night.

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by justanothersteve :: Mon, 11/27/2017 - 1:23pm

I was very surprised the helmet-to-helmet hit on Hundley on the Packers last drive wasn't called. Most QBs (except Cam who just can't get a break) get that call every time. I still don't think the Packers deserved to win. But that would have given the Packers a first down and yardage rather than a loss of six yards.